The Doctor Who Was Hated...Until He Wasn't 

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His comedic delivery is fucking flawless

Jodie will break that cycle.

Literally, it’s just people hate change that’s all 😭 which is literally what Dr who is trynna get us used too

Matt Smith sure was upon the initial fart in the wind announcement of his casting but after Eleventh Hour aired well well well who the fuck is David Tennant anyway :)

I hated the jarring difference between the young, whimsical Eleven, who was warm and loving, showed that he cared, fell in love with River and cared deeply about his companions. Having Twelve regen as an old, grumpy, uncaring, narcissist who hated humans, hated Earth, DGAF about his companion was an instant turnoff for a lot of Whovians. Moffat eventually made him more likeable but it was too little too late for a lot of us.

Honestly out of all the doctors David Tennent’s 10th incarnation clicked with me right out of the gate. For the 9th Doctor It took the 50th anniversary episode for Christopher Eccleston to finally warm up to me. I didn’t like his run on first viewing back in the day but he deserved more than 1 season. Took a season for Matt Smith to grow on me but he was amazing out of the gate. 12th eh I felt weird about that one and probably the only one that follows this take. First season never sold me on him and I never really got the appreciation for Capaldi till recently. 13 I have always loved. Her doctor is brilliant but she never got the writing nor the chance all the others got to prove her self. It was sad she never got an episode written by RTD For context been a fan since 2010/11 and first ep was waters of mars.

I'm with you. I thought the writing was awful for all of his seasons but Capaldi himself was a magnificent Doctor. Not my favorite but definitely fantastic.

Agreed.

There are episodes I did not really like as a kid, counting back and realising I was a kid is particularly insane, but I trudged on and upon rewatching the episodes I really enjoy them.

I agree. When it was still airing I hated most of series 9, When i got to Heaven Sent and Hell Bent the season started to become a lot better. Some of the weaker eps of that season are strengthen by the final 2 eps.

yeah, tbh, that's what I was thinking too regarding matt smith's era I mean, series 7 was not very good but as I've heard, there were many conflicts with productions and the 50th was a nightmare to realize for Moffat, so I understand it was that way. Both Smith and Capaldi's era are deconstruction of the doctor and the show, mostly in the years priors. I didn't understand it at the time but it's actually very reflective, and Capaldi's era is in some way moffat reflecting on his previous era too. And I think that's something we lost with Chibnall's era. The series stopped being in conversation with the era that it followed.

​@erin_3569 It just dawned on me that there is an alternate universe where Capaldi only ever played the War Doctor, and he did a fantastic if not even superior performance in the role. But that universe was robbed the gift of him as the 12th doctor. Maybe they weren't cursed with the Chibnall era, though. It's weird to think how things might have played out differently just for scheduling reasons...

That's a really good point and reminds me of what happened with Colin Baker's time as the Doctor. It was always intended for him to have a character arc, probably the first time the series had ever tried consciously do this with an incarnation of the Doctor. I remember when the idea was being kicked around and my issue was that I already had issues with the way JNT was running the series and how what was getting on the air was being perceived by the audience. It was NOT the time to try something that experimental, particularly with the character of the Doctor. JNT thought it was the perfect time because he was confident that even if the audience disliked the new Doctor, which he fully expected them to, he'd have the time to show where he as going with it because he knew he didn't have to worry about cancellation. Even if he lost viewers, he knew the majority would stay with the series and that once he was able to do his big reveal, they'd love it and not only bring those viewers back but gain new viewers thanks to this plot arc. I had my doubts because of how the Turlough arc had been botched. Turlough's original arc and character was supposed to be something much darker and more dramatic. What we got was a whiney Sting impersonator with a red dye-job running away from his space pimp-daddy who liked to wear a seagull plucked out of an oil spill on his head. The second I saw Colin's costume, knowing at least the basic of what JNT had planned, I knew that idea was doomed.

Also: "You've made an error! A boyfriend error!"

Capaldi is plenty sexy!

Heaven Sent Underrated

But it is awful and I wrote a whole ass essay praising it in high school but now I look back and it’s not great

@@RJsPsycho in what way is it not? I actually dont think it can be settled in comments, but anyway I would like to hear whats wrong with it

​@@RJsPsychoso in other words you originally liked it , then saw others trashing it so changed your mind? Lmao

Capaldi era started kinda rough. He really grew into the role though and upon further viewing his era gets better.

honestly feels like this channel is trying to write the history books. Its going for the "peter was the hated Doctor, Jodi is loved by all." Narrative.

It was really expressed in the eyebrows, they were very cross

​@@andrewgonzales6527😂😭

Greatest episode of anything

it was awful just Capoldi walking around a castle talking to himself for 40 mins terrible episode

@@vanimapermai do u not appreciate the masterful acting, directing, writing, music…. anything???

@@stopmotionsteve9812 I'm not saying it's bad I'm saying it's not a good episode of doctor who it doesn't fit in my opinion it's definitely very artsyfartsy but capoldi monologuing for 40 minutes dose not make for a good episode of doctor who

⁠@@vanimapermai “I’m not saying it’s bad” *proceeds to call it terrible*

Ok. I mean, given that the companion who Tennant went back to was Donna Noble, and she was explicitly the 10 companion who didn't fancy the Doctor, and apparently according to that throwaway line in Wild Blue Yonder, always thought he was probably gay anyway, I don't get that as a particular criticism of the recent 14th doctor specials. But given that Tennant played 14 as a more experienced version of 10 who is apparently more in touch with his feelings I guess I can see how you can read across criticism of bits of 10 you didn't like into his performance as 14. As a classic fan, I can absolutely see Capaldi as a modernised classic Doctor.

@@paulhammond6978 Think of it this way. If I was to explain my enthusiasm for a TV show that has lasted for 60 years and showed a none fan those specials. Would that person walk away with a sense of why this show has lasted for the decades it has. Did it communicate the history or longevity of one of the longest running tv shows in history. See I didn’t think it did. As I said I enjoyed them but that could’ve been done 5 years ago with the same impact. Also I do like David Tenant and his portrayal as the Doctor but it’s difficult to describe why that portrayal can be irksome. A long time ago in a different life I worked with Colin Baker, this was during the wilderness years in the late 90’s. He was saying that the appeal of Doctor Who at that time was it attracted fans who were the outsiders. Not the trendies or coolest and I remember when enjoying Doctor Who was considered sad by the media. It’s a bit like you favorite underground band suddenly gets a pop hit and becomes popular and then they start to change to fit in and gain the respect of the general populace. As an original fan you feel a little left behind because you were there when hardly anybody had heard of them. David Tenant was a bit like that. Although I admit he was necessary for the show to carry on because audiences change but the good-looking, snogging, crying romantic hero wasn’t the Doctor for many. The flirty, suggestive eye brow raises and Billy pipers slightly parted mouth and lip licking was a big change. The Doctor became a romantic a sexual figure. I just think that if I had to explain to a non-Who watcher what was great about Doctor Who after those specials I would struggle.

​​@@thevirgologychannel6215 you know what? You kind of lost me on the first draft but this response made me see what you meant with a lot more clarity, the thing Twelfth says at the end of the very first episode of Season 8 even alludes to that, "I'm not your boyfriend". I think I agree with you on that, tho I would personally dial down this as the de facto reason since it was a convoluted mush of problems and changes in both core characteristics and character portrayals that made the show a lot different and disconnected from it's previous iterations, but also gave it the new and cool face necessary to revitalize everything, thus contributing to Capaldi's fall from and slow but fair return to grace in the eyes of the fans. I'm twenty myself so definitely not old enough to have had any contact with classic or new Doctor Who in release time but as I went on and watched both, what I think about Capaldi and his era is that it feels the closest to amend the gap between the new and classic who in terms of just overall format, followed closely by Eccleston's Doctor. The deep seriousness of their arcs, the grey morality all around and the constant internal debate paired with whimsy, wonderful sense of adventure are so reminiscing of the Old Doctor, even when modernized and with cool new spins attached to it. One of the core things - to me - that made Capaldi's era memorable but feels like it would hinder it's popularity a lot on real time watching tho is that his arcs are simply better seen as a whole picture, it's not a grandiose spectacle like the stuff with the Silence or the prophecy of Ten, it's very introspective and linear, a real and subdued growing process that's hard to make appealing when there's only one episode per week.

You nailed it. Watching 12 one episode at a time with a week in between was hard for me. Binge-watching on dvd totally changed my opinion of him and his era. I adore him now.

Yeah I couldn’t help but chuckle at that. It’s half the reason why I was ok with able body Davros. In the child in need special. I hope in this new RTD era he isn’t completely retconned. To watch him slowly become the Davros we all know and love would be amazing.

I actually didn't quite like his Christmas eps. They were not bad just not my cup of tea.

I loved Capaldi. He had some of the most powerful performances I’ve seen in the series. However, that said, I was constantly annoyed by Clara, “Me”, and Nardo…but then, I never happy unless I have something to complain about. 😂

Oh Nardole was just awful. I think I was blocking not mentioning him. We got the least interesting of three possible Claras.

Clara is the longest lasting companion of the new era and I still wanted more.

I am very tempted to do that ngl

@@Cosmic_Nite do it.

@@Cosmic_Nite do it, there’s so many channels that blow up over night from 1 good 30min-1hour long doctor who video essay, why can’t it be you next, this one was great, knowledgeable on the subject matter ✅, smooth calming voice ✅, can edit videos ✅ you’ve obviously got the right opinions as Capaldi was the best doctor ✅, go for it my man, all we gotta do is get the algorithm to back you, I’ll spam comments for engagement on a Capaldi essay all day if I have too (they won’t even be spam, I could talk about how fantastic Capaldi was for days 😭)

11th is literally 2nd last only to jodies era.

@@hued2542 nahhhhh, you got to put the 7th doctor before that bro. Worst 3 are 13, 7, 11 imo. In that order. Granted, I really did like Moffat and Matt Smith, I just feel like Moffat wrote too much "sillyness" and he broke some really good concepts like the weeping angels.

WTF are you talking about??? Doctor who has always pushed messages. Episode 4 and 5 of the revival directly comments on the Iraq war. Episode 7 discusses the media barons in the UK. Rise of the cyberman/age of steel deals directly with the digitisation and the increasing prevalence of the internet. Torchwood is lead by somebody who practically screams NF voter. The character has also always been a socialist and a leftie. If you're complaint is that the character went woke it's a show created by a woman and an Indian it has always been "woke".

That's not at all what happened during Capaldi's tenure. You might have been seeing things that weren't there. Moffat was a lot less political than RTD.

@jamesslater9098 ROFL, Its always the same talking points. Not all messaging is equal dude. You understand that right? You know what...lets look at facts. Millions of people slowly stopped watching. Fact. Numerous people complained about woke ideology. Fact. No one cared who created DW. Fact. No one cares if you like it. Fact. You have no right to tell people how they feel about something is wrong. Fact. Learn to listen to people who clearly feel the show has gone in the wrong direction, they feel that for reasons. You not wanting to hear that is your problem. Fact.

​@@mathewdsire LOL typical right wing snowflake. People didn't like the show because woke is ridiculous the height of the show's popularity under RTD had numerous "Woke" characters. You couldn't give me one example about how messages ruined the Capaldi era that doesn't apply to the RTD era. You can't because for you the media you consume exists to push a political message. Doctor who is bad because woke except ignore the times when it was woke and good those don't exist because if I can't use this British sci-fi tv show to spread my hatred and bigotry then what's the point of watching. "You have no right to tell people how they feel about something is wrong." I can and I will so cry about it. "Learn to listen to people who clearly feel the show has gone in the wrong direction, they feel that for reasons" Basically. I'm right and you should listen to me because I'm always right about all media is what you're saying. Yeah mate I'm sure doctor who would be brilliant if the doctor a character whose main trait is his kindness was a god fearing, gay hating, racist, sexist republican.

@@mathewdsire You lack a brain. Fact.

You apparently weren't around back then. I remember a time when fans hated Matt Smith.

Some.people are just to picky.

Not by you then. Nor by me. By whom is a potential story arc for another series you know. Timey-wimey

Oh for sure

My thoughts exactly.

Agreed And Moffat was alive for more than 1 Year before Classic Who Started!!!

The Doctor - as the character was codified in the twentieth century - can be many things. But “cool”, and “hot” are categorically not amongst them, unless they are of the “so uncool it’s cool” or “weird-hot” variety. Conventionally handsome/pretty, and fashionably attired are two attributes that would have been understood to be off the table from the start, by anybody with an understanding of what the show was, and what made it unlike other shows. The Doctor does NOT put hair gel in his hair, or paint his fingernails, or have his ear pierced, or show off his pecs with a plunging neckline, or wear copious amounts of jewelry, or eyeliner - all of which RTD/Chibnall “Doctors” have done. His dress-sense is strictly Victorian/Edwardian. He’s weird and eccentric, but not in a contrived way. His sexuality, such as it is, is best summed up by one of Tom Baker’s best lines, written by Douglas Adams: “you’re a beautiful woman, probably” - complete disinterest in the whole concept. The New series has NEVER gotten the pitch right, but of all the Doctors in the current era, Moffatt/Capaldi came closest to capturing it, closely followed by Moffatt/Smith.

I think in terms of classic series spirit I'd say the Chibnall era is the closest.

@@friendlyotaku9525 How so, beyond the superficial correspondence of having three companions, as was the case in the early sixties and again in the early eighties?

@fromchomleystreet well there's that but there's also a return to more educational historical stories which takes the show back to it's roots in the 60s! There's also the classic monsters - Sontarans return to a look similar to The Time Warrior, the Sea Devils return with their classic design, the Cybermen redesign brings back The Invasion helmet design and its hard to explain but I think the general vibe of the era feels more in tune with the classic era than the RTD and Moffat eras. Also: Power of the Doctor as a whole is just a massive love letter to Doctor Who, particularly the classic series with classic Doctors and companions galore!

there are many people who love Jodie era, but chibnal still fucked it up Jodie did as well as she could, i like her, but she's not good as the doctor. You can't feel the thing when she's mad like you can with male doctors, maybe that's just her, she literally can't be mad and intimidating. She just looks like a mad woman who can't do anything

@@theender664 she was brilliant as the doctor. She just didn’t have the character writing or the chance to really prove it to us. I knew she would be good the moment she fell into the train but then the episode took a 180 and failed her

Nah I highly doubt Jodie era will have a renaissance. The poor writing and forgettable episodes in both series 11 and 12 means there is nothing to look back on fondly. Flux is the closest series to get a renaissance. On its own, that era will not make a comeback but RTD has been rewriting the Flux and timeless chid. Overall fixing the mess Chibnal left him. In special 2 we see the impacts of the flux, something that was all but reversed by the end of the Series 13. Special 3 replanted the seed of doubt over the doctors proper identity. Special 4 tells us the doctor is still working though the fact the he may not be who he thinks he is actually writing the timeless child and not just saying “is god” and leaving it at that. So yeah sure maybe public prospective on the timeless child may change its not because it was good but because it was rewritten to be good in series 14 and beyond. Edit: I think i wanna point out that while I jumped on the hate bandwagon with series 8 which impacted my opinion of 9. I watched the episodes of Series 11 and did not enjoy a single one. That led to me skipping series 12 which I also did because of the piss poor marketing this era had. I returned for the flux and watched that at release but while being the best she ever got it was still mediocre. That’s all to say I disliked Chibnal before it was trendy to dislike Chibnal.

@@FireStriker_ "RTD has been rewriting the Flux and timeless child" no he hasn't.

Exactly! I think what's so wonderful about Doctor Who is that a lot of people will grow up with a specific era and Doctor and that will be THEIR Doctor Who and that's really special!

Planning on making a much more in-depth video about the Capaldi era, and believe me, I'll have a LOT to say about Missy!

I understand series 8 and 9 slander But will never understand series 10 slander. Series 9 is starting to warm up to me if only because it took Clara away so Bill could take her place as well as developing the doctor we see in series 10