Claire Ridgway of the Anne Boleyn Files and Tudor Society has said there's absolutely no evidence that Jane assisted in her husband's or Anne's downfall. In one of her videos she even read a letter Jane wrote to her husband while he was imprisoned. I tend to believe her over people saying otherwise.
Ah, they were all playing what is known as ''the great game''. Some played it well, others didn't. I think they enjoyed the buss that danger gave them. Similar to race car drivers or free climbers in todays world.
if you weren't royally connected, you were probably safe for more important matters... disease, war, the fixation with poisoning... you know just another day!!! ✨😉
Your introduction stated that Catherine Howard was executed for treason and adultery. The Act of Attainder which condemned Catherine does not mention adultery it refers to her lewd way of living before she married the King. It also asserts that since she brought people from her seedy past into her service when Queen that this manifested an intention of returning to that lewd life. It does not assert she slept with other men after marrying the King. Culpepper confessed to intention of “ doing evil” with the Queen only. In fact Parliament debated whether Catherine’s activities constituted treason. A deceived and disillusioned Tyrant wanted her gone.
@@hiwall4883 she was executed because she helped facilitate the meetings will Culpepper so as far as Henry was concerned Jane was as culpable. Guilty in leading her back to her previous “ evil life”. Don’t forget Culpepper only admitted to intending to do “ evil” with the Queen. He stupidly kept one of Catherine’s love letters.
@n/a everything I have said is absolutely correct. Fact not innuendo. Fact is not mental gymnastics ( maybe it is for you) .Perhaps you should read a little more.
Especially dangerous since a queen's commiting adultery was high treason and a crime against the state, as it directly threatened the line of succession should she become pregnant.
Particularly considering that her sister in law had been executed just for having been accussed of the very same thing. She really should have known better
I think that given that she was a lady in waiting to ALL of Henry’s queens to that point and had a front row seat to all of the fuckery she should really have known better.
I had to stop the video because the two portraits you show of Jane (6:34 and 6:36 and before that) remind me so much of Natalie Dormer who played Anne Boleyn in the Tudors. It's crazy that Jane was able to survive so many queens.
I can’t understand anyone that wanted to be at court during Henry VIII’s reign. I’d prefer to be as far away from those lunatics as possible. Poor, happy and ALIVE. (Also my head still attached to my neck)
I am glad many historians are taking another look on Jane.. That they found evidence that she wrote a letter to George while he was in the tower to ask if his health was okay, Jane is the perfect scapegoat in the story.. I think she is fascinating and i applaud people like Claire Ridgeway who do their best to clear her name.
I agree lady Jane rochfords is my ancestor & she has always been portrayed in the wrong light. She was a pawn in a mans world & used as a scapegoat as you said.
In "Jane Boleyn: The Infamous Lady Rochford," Julia Fox argues that the only thing that Jane did during the downfall of Anne and George Boleyn, was to confess, probably under harsh questioning, that Queen Anne Boleyn had told her that King Henry had lately been unable to have sexual relations with Anne and that Jane had then told this to her husband, George. George, during his trial, was given a letter and told only to confirm its contents. Instead, he read out this information. That and the letter that Jane wrote to George while he was imprisoned in the Tower (cited by Joshua Piro in another comment) indicates that Jane was close to both Anne and George. And really, if Jane had been so instrumental in the downfall of Anne and George, why in the hell would Thomas Boleyn want anything to do with her afterwards? The presumption that Jane was a tattling, jealous sneak was the interpretation of authors generations later, in light of her later involvement in the Catherine Howard affair.
@@riazhassan6570 My personal take is that Jane was an adult caught up in a teenager's logic. Catherine was her queen and social superior, despite Jane being older and more experienced at court. Jane had been a more senior lady in waiting under Anne of Cleves when Catherine arrived at court, but then Catherine shot to the top of the pecking order when she caught Henry's eye. Jane wasn't privy to the inside dope on Catherine's past that Catherine's family members knew about. Jane might have found herself in a compromising situation and not known how to get out of it. The Duke of Norfolk had been her husband's enemy. That Jane didn't run to him or the king to tattle on Catherine argues that Jane wasn't a tattling sneak.
Books I have read have portrayed Jane as a jealous bitch who hated the fact that Anne & George were close.That she was spiteful & vindictive & a trouble maker.Pictures can of course lie.But she has quite a sweet face & it's a strong possibility that she was innocent of wrong doing except maybe in encouraging Cat & Culpepper to meet.Knowing H as they did,this was more than stupid.Its a shame that she may have been vilified.I wonder if George had any feelings for her,or was it just another marriage of convenience.As for Anne's father,he was quite happy to throw his son & daughter to death to save himself.Awful man.
@@susanmccormick6022 It is clear that Anne and Jane were relatively close. It has been the interpretation of later, and originally all male historians that she must have been a terrible person. We really have no way of knowing. There is no known contemporary source on the subject. We just know that she confessed to Cromwell that she passed information that Anne told her about Henry's bedroom troubles to George, which implies some level of confidence between them. I personally think that this was Henry's justification for accusing George of incest with Anne, because George was then privy to the secrets of their bedroom.
Giving testament to help get a verdict helps. She apparently was in favour with her husband's uncle, who was a very powerful duke and one of the king's key advisors. The Duke had even married one of Henry's aunts. He nearly was executed himself for overreaching his position but the king died before it could happen and he was released eventually by Mary I
Its always been weird to me that she was kept on in the court after Anne and Georges execution. Why didn't she go back to Norfolk? You'd think Henry wouldn't want reminders around
A lot of people did go back to court after their parents, grandparents, children, siblings, friends, relatives or husbands were executed. If you think about it, Robert Dudley's grandfather, Edmund, was executed by Henry VIII but his father, John, was named to the council that was to advise King Edward VI after Henry VIII's death. Leicester's father, John Dudley then was executed by Mary I, but Robert and his brothers went on to serve her and his brother Henry was killed at the battle of San Quentin, fighting with King Philip's Spanish forces against the French. Thomas Boleyn was present at the christening of Prince Edward after the execution of his daughter, Anne, the disgraced former queen and his only son and heir, George. Thomas' rank as Earl of Wiltshire required him to be present at the christening of the crown prince.
Elizabeth 1st was treated bay as a child because of her mother. Kat Grant had to beg the king for new clothes for her. It was one of the new wives thought the girls should be brought to court.
@@tessat338 Frances Grey was often a guest at court even after her husband and daughter, Henry and Jane, were executed by order of Mary I for attempting to block her from succeeding to the throne.
This scaffold etiquette is just unimaginable almost, I couldn't proceed in a manner as such before having my head cut off regardless of my faith in God.
There also are unlikely to be any surviving portraits of Catherine. The portraits are unlikely to be her. One of them they think is Cromwell's daughter. They tried to erase Catherine from existence after her execution.
Your correct the portrait is of lady grace Parker who lady Jane rochfords sister in law . I know this as they are my ancestors. Lady grace Parker married lord Henry Parker barron of Morley who is janes brother my direct ancestor.
In that particular place and time period, I would prefer the existence an unknown peasant rather than live a lavish yet calculating, tumultuous life and end up losing my head due to dangerous machinations with dangerous people.
I am really sure she didn't think Henry was a good and noble King, she probably hated him , but to save her family from retaliation from Henry, she lied. That was the last, and probably the only decent thing she ever did.
99.9% of those “scaffold praises” were because if they didn’t, the same thing could very likely happen to the rest of their family. So, exactly, Karen. They ALL did it.
Not to mention the fact that had she not done so she would have probably had her execution date deferred until the next day so they could burn her at the stake instead. After all, decapitation was a privilege.
There were childhood rhymes,especially in London & references to anyone called JANE PARKER as Ann's sister in law was called before marrying Jabe Parker. Anyone called JANE PARKER was called: JANE PARKER! NOSEY PARKER! This was in reference to Jane Boleyn who frequently spied on both George & Anne Boleyn & was helpful in bringing down the House of Boleyn. Kids would play 'ball up the wall' when I was a kid,reciting old ryhms such as 'Ring O Ring of Roses' or 'Mary,Mary quite contrary,How does your garden grow.Rhyms about the Plague & Mary Queen of Scots. If we had a Jane Parker ( which we did) the kids would shriek,all be it,unkindly JANE PARKER,NOSEY PARKER almost 500 yrs after she went mentally unbalanced,scared to death,awaiting execution in the Tower. A little known fact,though I d share!
Even the 2008 film The Other Boleyn Girl doesn't mention this at the end when it mentions the fates of the Church, Mary Boleyn, Sir Thomas Boleyn, and the Duke of Buckingham.
Thanks so much for your updates....your research brings to light much unknown news. Its amazing tie me home K. Henry could execute so quickly for adulterous accusations, yet he himself never ever bee g held accountable for his MANY affairs !!! Women were trashed at a moments notice. I think Elizabeth I was a jealous controlling manipulator as her Father... I have read of her meanness to her lady's in waiting. One thing for sure .....one day each will stand before God naked & without any courts to depend them.that day of judgment will be tube final act.... The final page in history..... Good work....
Just found your channel, I’m really enjoying your videos. From what I’ve read Jane Boleyn was a nasty piece of work, she was overly ambitious, jealous and vindictive. She played with fire, and payed the ultimate price.
There's no way I'd be praising the king or saying I deserve to have my young head taken from my shoulders. I'd be totally honest and say he was the most vile and tyrannical man and he will burn eternally in hell.
I'm always confused by the stories of sexual infidelity in Tudor times. They lived in the King's houses/castles, there were always servants and ladies in waiting hanging around; there was no such thing as privacy. How did they imagine they could get away with it?
Wagging tongues could get a servant the axe or worse, so mums the word. That aside why do people do stuff they'll pay for later? Same reason yesterday, today and tomorrow.....they don't think things through to the consequences. Some people think they are immune like Jeffrey Epstein.
I haven't much sympathy for Lady Rochford. She helped send her innocent husband and sister in law to the scaffold, and to make it worse, she helped Catherine Howard commit the very same offence that her husband was unjustly executed for. Henry VIII executed many innocents, but she wasn't one of them.
After her husband’s execution, she should have NEVER even entertained returning to the court. She should have just taken the money 💰 the Boleyns had given her and lived quietly in the countryside, perhaps remarried, and begun anew. Henry was a psychopath and no one should have gone anywhere near him or anyone close to him during his reign.
It’s such a sad story for both these women. It’s such a brutal punishment. Of course Anne Boleyn had gone the same way. I believe she was innocent though. However, according to historian Claire Ridgeway, since Tudor people believed in Original Sin. Even if they were innocent of the crimes they were sentenced to death for, they believed they should die anyway.
its amazing how many people praised the king while going to their deaths, if it was me i would hope to use my last few words to pray he be buggered by demons for all eternity
Exactly agree on happening to those who deserve it the most and no one deserves it the most then Jane Boleyn she lied and got her husband killed for a lie she got what she deserved
They speak well about the king to protect their families, in the case of Anne boleyn to protect Elizabeth, it’s the same for everyone protect their families from Henry...
@@whistle590 that as well ! :)) Tyranny is still alive and kicking - though?? These kind of monsters just adapted to a more useful use of tyranny ? Economic tyranny!
It seems that everyone takes it for granted, by repetition, that the testimony against Jane's husband and Anne B was false. Also that Anne herself was an 'innocent' victim (using innocent in the spirit of the time of course), but since nobody knows what actually did happen; what was fact or fiction, it seems all that's on show is our individual bias'
U know I do agree with herny on the insane law bc I never understood why people that are insane get off!!! Today's day and age u can kill someone and be insane live in mental house for 10 to 20 years and be let out!!! Some also are so insane that they are allow to do whatever they want
