How fitting that I just so happened to release this video on EASTER Sunday... Happy Easter friendos, hope you enjoy the next entry in my branching out effort! The next one will be a comparison between Halo 2 and Metal Gear Solid 2, my 2 favourite games of all time! :D
Loved this, new era of HiddenXperia incoming! I miss the old school vibes without countless wacky guns and when something wacky was in the game such as a teleporter or ray gun, you did wonder if there was a greater reason or purpose, not just accepting it as the norm. More Zombies vids!
Ayyy cheers lad, I always loved how the wacky stuff was few and far between so it really starkly contrasted with the grittier, more realistic aspects of the mode
Yes it'll be interesting to see where this leads. Halo lore is as interesting as ever but its nice to have something new to fill the gaps between lore drops.
I mean it's a real easy topic to cover, just go to one of the thousands of CoD RU-vidr channels and copy their content, at this point literally nothing in the Call Of Duty genre of videos could be original.
it got boring after a while for me though, even though the characters were colourful the maps got stale quick after I got better at the game. I like the new feel better.
I'm so glad someone mentioned the weapon customization. Personally, I always felt like adding camos and attachments made the guns too personal, which conflicts with the desolate atmosphere that Zombies once had. When you used to find a gun, it was just a gun; it wasn't something that you meticulously adjusted before the game even started.
@@swordierre9341 True true. I always liked the feeling of your character in a zombie apocalypse would have to rely on any weapon they came across which put youbat risk but you gradually got better guns. The earlier zombie maps did that. Once you got to customize your weapon and easily dominate the zombies and easily transverse the map, the cool vibes from earlier were gone
Ikr its as simple as jus removin them lmao idk how thats even somethin yu can begin to complain about when theres a solution to it. Along with cold war where if yu dint wanna start with a decked out gun its as easy as pickin the m1911 with no attachments 🤦🏻♂️
Although I loved this stuff when I was a teenager, I sort of gradually dipped from this whole scene of video games as the transition you've perfectly described occurred. This video is the first time I've seen Zombies footage from the newer Call of Duty games and it looks honestly entirely unrecognisable to me. The colour grading, the tone, the insane amount of HUD indicators. I'm honestly blown away how the people behind this mode have taken it in a direction THIS far away from what made it so loved in the first place. Absolutely brilliant video on the subject, had me engaged throughout!
Cold war slaps dont listen to the little bitches who suck Nostalgia's dick. Especially Cod fans. One year they hate the current cod then 5 years later its apparently underrated
@@elite3254 Call me a fanboy but almost every one of them is good to me. I've always thought that CoD Zombies can be whatever it wants to be. I understand why some prefer how it was before but both older and newer iterations of the mode have their merits in my opinion.
After Black Ops 3 I kinda stopped caring about the game mode. For me Zombies stopped being fun once the easter eggs stopped actually being easter eggs and just started being basically a requirement. Like you said it basically became a "Story mode" instead of just a horde/round survival gamemode with some easter eggs you could do on the side to get stronger if you really wanted to.
thats what ruined it for me. i liked zombies simple arcade mode especially since i like arcade style games. then they ruined it by making you do the story just to get a perk or pack a punch. they even removed things like reparing barricades and mines and instead of focusing on having different ways to survive a map you had to do the same tactic on each map to survive because they wanted you to do it that way to complete the story. tho black ops 1 onward did annoy me by adding things like crawling zombies and boss zombies. hated them and made the game pace awkward and hard to kill hordes of zombies when crawlers are so low down and cause gas damage that make killing regular zombies less fun because you have to deal with an annoying distraction.
Same- except back when BO3 dropped I still had an Xbox 360 and not the Xbox one so it didn’t have the campaign. When I found that out I returned the 360 version and moved on to something else. I don’t remember what though.
@@yagmi6182 uhm cod waw has crawling zombies too. also all maps have barricades they just have less of them then usual. and yes it is annoying when you have to do so much for just power but there are still maps in bo3 and onwards where you can just turn on power and survive. examples: bo3: der eisendrache bo4:IX cold war: die maschine. plus if anything i just learn to adapt to the first map of the game and then see if i want to that with later added maps
I remember watching my friend play BO 3 zombies and him trying to explain all the shit that you needed to do just to get far. I sat there dumb founded and asked him, "What happened to just finding the mystery box again after it moved, and turning on the power."
people naturally get bored and tired of doing the same thing over and over. Zombies was fun in the beginning but also quickly became unfun when it was just the same over and over again. There kept coming more of them and they kept having longer lives. Eventually it would become game over question was just when. It felt like a really pointless and boring game when the concept had been done a couple of times.
@@sebastianwallin3726 not really. The goal was to survive for as many rounds as possible. I played WAW Der Reise over and over. Getting to round 40 was an accomplishment on that map, you had to have skill. There would be consequences for falling early in the game that could hinder your longevity later on. You had to have strategy. Now I regularly make it to round 100 and blasting zombies isn't nearly as fun as playing defensively, nor is it rewarding. Marketing to kids and wider audiences ruined the fun parts of the game.
What’s really sad is that BO3 custom map makers are doing a better job at story telling and making up new stories. Along with crazy maps that add so much more gameplay and intricate details that add to the play value. Honestly, the maps I’ve played are better than anything Treyarch has done since BO3. So much love and effort put into custom maps. Thanks to BO3 customs, zombies will always live on but only on PC. Can’t say the same for consoles.
Dude, Der Riese declassified is one of the greatest fan-made experiences I've ever played. It feels like a perfect hybrid of classic WaW era map design with modern BO3/BO4 era easter egg design. 3arc giving fans modding tools again for BO3 was one of their best ideas ever
Im going to say it. L take on BO3. BO4 is were zombies fell off. Sure BO3 had Gobble gums and weapon kits, but you had a choice of using them or not. Not to mention BO3 has pretty much all the good maps in zombies with chronicles.
@@SickeningSilence oldheads hate the Jason blundell maps and got triggered when origins was so complex and deep. So of course they hated bo3 cuz it went more in that direction. The rest of us either got gud or used gobblegums
100% branch out man. It will be more beneficial in the future, and as a viewer that has been watching your content for years; I want nothing more than to see you succeed. Keep up the great content.
I agree with basically everything you said. I lost interest in Zombies at BO3 and never went back because it felt like it was just not what it used to be. Getting all the easter eggs and finding them all since WaW was amazing. I will say though that running trains started in WaW with Shi No Numa. Running swamp trains was the tactic haha.
You could train in every game, but after bo2 is when the maps and gameplay started being designed with training in mind. Theyd intentionally have very wide open areas in maps that are seldom seen in bo1 and 2. And the defensive playstyle was heavily discouraged due to faster more reactive zombies.
Another old timer chiming in, WAW zombies were great because of scarcity, praying a max ammo dropped on the high rounds. Falling had consequences that could hinder your longevity, you needed serious skill to get to round 50. They removed all strategy and skill that separated a truly good player from an average one. Now I regularly cruise to round 100 and have zero difficulty getting through the round, it's just time consuming. Getting to a high round is like a participation trophy instead of a badge of honor.
Cod Zombies is one of the only incredibly fond memories I have and hold onto with some horribly toxic friendships. One thing that separated the toxicity was our love for the mode and enjoyment of the mystery to the story. I got out of those friendships and continued to play the mode alone but after BO3 it lost a lot of what made it so fun. It is a huge shame to see where its came to.
The love I have for World at War up to Black Ops 3 Zombies Chronicles is unparalleled. So sad to see such an amazing game mode/universe go to shambles😞
@@therookie5714 I've played BO4 zombies and while I can say it's not bad, it just doesn't have the same vibe as the previous games. Sure WaW feels way different from BO3, but both games have this sort of vibe you can feel, and I didn't find that in BO4. I enjoyed playing IX and I also don't that the Titanic map was as bad as other people but it didn't feel like zombies was the same as before.
@@therookie5714 Cold War was barely zombies anymore. It was just an extraction mode with zombies and charmless operators in it. Nobody even cared about the weapons you could obtain during a match anymore, since everyone already started with his preferred loadout and overleveled attributes.
This video hits the nail on the head of every single issue I have with modern zombies (besides gums and weapon kits lol). Thank you Luc for bringing this perspective to the zombies community, I think people should really give this a watch.
Truly WaW to Bo2 was the best time. Bo3 while great I feel like I agree with others that it went too Sci fi and Lovecraftian. The multiverse while cool kinda took away the fun, dark and eerie while confusing everyone as you said. Bo4s Chaos definitely tried to go back to its roots but because of the time it divided fans further thus causing a abrupt end to the story. Dark Aether tried too also go back to its roots but failed because a lack of relatable characters and a rushed story that confused people thus dividing the community even more.
Everything after BO4 actually fell off and honestly is forgettable every single map for zombies in cold war actually feels the same to me and there is no reason to come back to it unless they either reboot the storyline with group 935 or another crew and actually stop making the same map over and over with reused maps from the campaign or multiplayer.
I had many ups and downs with Zombies. I liked It as a side activity in relation to Multiplayer between WAW and BO1. Then BO2 came and I HATED the first three maps. I hated not playing with the OG/Primis/Ultimis characters, hated the gameplay and hated even the way maps looked. But when I was almost leaving It altogether, Mob of the Dead and Origins came and completly turned my world upside down. From that point moving forward I almost left MP entirely and focused only in Zombies, to a point that till this day those two maps are in my top 5. Moving forward, let's say that BO3 was the greates "nerdgasm" I had in my life. I don't have anything bad to say about that game (ncluding MP, which Is the one I most played), It's the definition of perfection. Adding Zombies Chronicles to the mix and I can easily say that BO3 is THE DEFINITIVE ZOMBIES EXPERIENCE. But then Black Ops 4 came and break everything. I hate that game and It's Zombies more than I hate Activision for raping this franchise. It makes Tranzit feel like a masterpiece in comparison. It's "The Last Jedi - Call of Duty Edition". And unfortunatelly since then we had anything good. Cold War is fine, but It isn't true zombies. They tried to make It feel more like Extinction (a mode that I also loved and was basically retconed at this point), which sounds good in paper, but ultimatelly doesn't catch me like the OG experience. And Vanguard... Well, that Zombies is as dead as the rest of the game. I hope they reboot the whole thing and make It feel right again. With Activison-Blizzard being bought by Microsoft, and COD getting a longer development cycle, I hope we can get something better.
@@gamingcantina9157 Bruh everything after BO2 was basically just trying to resurrect a complete game. Literally trying to come back from the Apocalypse. Black Ops 2 had the finale ending easter egg in Origins. It ends there. Everything afterwards never really happened. None of that is actually real.
Sadly the downfall of CoD Zombies really does show how 1. The corporate side of game companies are taking over and restricting the creative freedoms of the game devs 2. That the corporate side of game companies fear genuinely challenging players and instead try to make games easier so it is to be more inclusive to everyone.
Inclusivity of the new zombies is ruining it for actual fans, if the inclusivity doesnt bring tons of new players to zombies who would spend money on it then there is no reason for inclusivity.
@@sanfordrussell8549 ”there’s nothing wrong with making a game easier for people” except; 1. When the identity which made the said game what it is, is stripped away completely 2. The changes alienate 99% of the fanbase, and KILLS the gamemode 3. Difficulty brings challenge that is A PART of the game, if you are a crybaby because of that, the game is not meant for you. We see here a good example of the recent trend of lowering the standards of greatness so mediocrity can feel good about themselves.
I think Zombies became worse when the “storyline” of the newer maps took front & center whilst the Zombies became that “annoying enemy” that just got in your way while you’re trying to do the Easter Egg. Also: I feel Zombies lost that scary-ominous feeling that the WAW & the early Black Ops 1 maps had, even Tranzit & Nuketown from Black Ops 2 had a great atmosphere anout them.
it never did to be honest, even the extra stuff in the maps are to help you kill the zombies. Cmon you can't just say that the elemental bows were there for only the storyline or the zombie shields didn't help with the gameplay. The easter egg never became the focus until vanguard where it is literally based on story objectives
Honestly every map before origins/buried had that classic vibe i loved. Mob of the Dead kinda started the going into the magical trend, but was still gritty. Buried was colorful and magical, but a lot of the map still felt gritty in its own way. Origins is when it went full space aliens.
I feel like you finally put into words how I feel about the "easter eggs" in black ops 2 and beyond. It's not even an easter egg anymore if the game is just telling you what to do with hud ui and everything. Huge difference when compared to waw/bo1.
@@jbroz_tv0138 You know the easter eggs in that game are still optional? In the first map there is a guided casual quest, alongside a harder one that doesn't tell you what to do, which is perfect more both casual and hardcore players.
bo3 easter eggs are far from obvious things the game tells you to do. the revelations easter egg for example took 9 days of 24/7 constant searching and solving by the community to uncover. i cant speak to bo4 onwards but everything up to and including bo3 was not simple. arguably bo2 and bo3 had the hardest easter eggs.
Glad to see I’m not the only person who dislikes what Primis, Apothicons, Origins and Easter Eggs did to zombies. Every setting has the “ooohhh ancient race did the thing” bullshit and it’s getting irritating. It was way cooler when the setting was based on disturbing nazi science, conspiracy and the hubris of man trying to tame death. Hell fun little fact if you don’t know, the Teleporters in Kino and Der Riese are based on the alleged Die Glocke project. A project that, if the stories are to be believed, was focused on developing time travel as a superweapon. Some even got so far as to say that the project succeeded due to the untraceable disappearance of various high ranking personnel and the supposed appearance of a bell like object being recovered by the US in the 1960s somewhere in Pennsylvania. Which creates a funny coincidence as the Ultimis crew leave Der Riese in 45’ and reappear sometime in the 60s, albeit in a different location. Wether you believe it or not, you have to see that these connections make for a far more intriguing story than “ancient evil space squids”. Also the vryillia (however you spell it) is a way better name than the keepers. Also something important to the gameplay loop, at least in my mind, is that the tools you needed to experience all the map had to offer were either in the box or in the perk machines. You didn’t need to go out of your way to look up guides and do a tedious list of tasks to get the map’s wonder weapons.
@@netheritepickaxe1506 it’s more spectacle than substance. It kick started the whole keepers shits and did away with the atmosphere that characterized the mode. It went from man kind fucking with shit we should never of gotten our hands ons in a world that felt destroyed from doing so and left to decay in a land devoid of god. Something reflected in the game play as you were only ever struggling to survive, death being a matter of when not if. There’s be different mechanics from map to map different design philosophies that made each one play differently. Then made it some fantastical action movie about ancient aliens and higher powers, you can pretty easily get to any round with even the weakest guns are broken with double pack and your health being buffed from past entries, and every map started feeling samy, a different layout and skin it they all played the same more or less. Give transit all the shit you want but it was unique and interesting in how it played unless bo3 where there all kinda salt with different wonder weapons Origins was the start of all this, when we only had bo2 it was interesting and different but in light of what it paved the way for, it’s elements are what made the mode so bad and made the series lose its identity. They should of never gave blundel the lead role
@@scorchercast8366 There was a ton of substance in origins Idk what your talking about, yes it did start the downfall of zombies but that was only until bo4, each bo3 map have completely different tactics with a few things the same( double pap and maybe gobble gums) but if you haven't forgotten each zombie map have relatively the same methods for high rounds since waw, you train, use some traps and get the wonder weapons etc etc, your just blinded by nostalgia.this is coming from someone who has been playing since nacht.
@@ItsSupercat94 I’m not taking about high round attempts I’m talking about the game to game setup of opening the map, traveling through it, unlocking aspects to it, and getting geared up. The stuff your going to be doing each game and color your interactions with the map Also double pack ruined high round attempts. It’s more interesting when your activity struggling as all your tools lose effectiveness.
I fell out of zombies at around BO2 when the story started getting super convoluted and weird. Part of what I loved about the WaW-BO1-era of zombies was that the story tied in with real life events throughout history. Stuff like Wonder Weapons, Die Glocke, Tunguska, the Vril Society, etc etc were all based on real things. That's not to say something Die Glocke is real, but I mean it was based on several grains of truth. Zombies, and Call of Duty as a whole pre-2012, is what got me so interested in history and I just think its a shame that they opted to go for the weird (and honestly worn out imo) Lovecraftian stuff. I loved delving into all the mysteries and conspiracy theories that the story was based on, but you can't really do that anymore. Edit: He talks about this in the video making this whole comment pointless but whatever.
Oh yeah I definitely agree. While I overall enjoyed Black Ops 2 zombies, it was when I started to feel like the zombie lore and easter eggs were more in your face and began to force the player to do them. And same with the Lovecraftian stuff in that it's cool but it wasn't something that jived well with zombies and just made it more convoluted
@@Spongebrain97 The best way I can describe the Lovecraft influence is that it’s really overbearing and tiresome. It’s like if you ate a whole birthday cake on your own in one sitting. Now you’ve got this really overpoweringly sweet taste in your mouth and probably a headache. A slice or two would’ve been fine, but this is just way too much.
I remember all the good days when zombies was just something you can jump into, no customization and no nothing, only bringing your own skills and wits to survive. Ever since BO3 onwards, you have all these complicated custom options and borderline cheats (such as the gobblegum thingie that gives you literally all the perks for nearly nothing in BO3) that made it lose its touch. I'm not going to judge the later zombies modes saying if they are still good or bad (anything after BO3) because I havent played anything past it, but from everything i've seen, its just changed so much now, Xperia did an amazing job of explaining it. My old childhood is gone lol
I havent played zombies in a very, very long time. Seeing bits and pieces about it and the characters and puzzles in the different games/maps was always so interesting to me, but I never had enough time or people to play with to really explore it. Im looking forward to just hearing about it in general with this video!!
I was reluctant to click on this video because of the overwhelming nostalgia that cod zombies holds over me. in 2nd grade I met two guys who were talking about black ops 1, and they would later become my 2 best friends all the way through 8th grade (freshman in college and still talk to them a handful of times a year) and we spent over 3 years from 2010-2013 having dozens upon dozens of sleepovers playing zombies splitscreen late into the night. From bo1 to waw, and later bo2. Everything just clicked and we loved it. What good me into cod zombies was the insanely addictive couch co-op, the scary atmosphere & story, and the fun arcade-y feel to it. The maps were classic and unique, the story was simple and not some dumb ass magic fantasy thing. It was 4 great characters exploring these dark nazi zombie areas with this indescribable atmosphere. Anyone who played cod from 2007-2012 knows what I mean. Everything was slower paced and worked. It wasnt like this fast paced turbo shit we have today in fps'. What lost me after black ops 2 was the convoluted story, characters and maps that didnt feel authentic, and just didnt feel like my cod zombies. WAW/Bo1 with the og 4 were the best with bo2 still being pretty good. But at the end of bo2 and beyond I just couldnt do it anymore. I think bo2 was the last good zombies game, and last good cod in general. I really do miss it, I miss inviting my 2 buddies over and staying up until 1am until my mom had to tell us to go to bed playing cod zombies with each other. I miss being so intrigued by the story and having my friends tell me about it. I miss when call of duty was like this. Innovative and fun, truly the best childhood games anyone could ask for. Unfortunately like with everything else, it just fell apart. I miss those years, they were better days. Just have to move on, cherish those memories, and hope that we'll get another good cod and zombies mode one day. A man can hope.
For me the cod zombies downfall has two major elements: 1) Oversaturation of the mode (2014 to 2019 Cods had a zombies mode) 2) The mode instead of being a side mode to have fun started to feel like a chore, more precisely for me around mid Bo3 era when the maps started to get overwhelming and basic thing like turning the power on needed very complex steps that for casuals required guides (and I really liked the first three maps in BO3 but the Stalingrad one was the declining for me)
I'll personally take simply grinding it out in the trenches on kino, Verrukt, der reise, hell even transit with my friends over BS story line chasing, massive, a thousand parts, never ending door opening maps anyday. Watching a friend miss the bus was always the best. Or seeing them catch up running thru the fog.
Man thank you for this. I thought i was going crazy back in 2015 when Bo3 zombies came out and everyone was hyped for the game, meanwhile iwas wondering if this was still the same game lol.
For years I’ve been trying to figure out why I began to dislike how zombies felt as the games went on, and here I felt almost every point you mentioned was relatable
I've actually recently got back into zombies (Black Ops - Black Ops 3, at least) and I played every map in order up until the final DLC for BO3 and, until watching this very well-made video, sort of had a feeling I couldn't put my finger on that I really started to notice while doing Black Ops 2, specifically Origins and Mob of the Dead. Personally, Mob is my favourite map of all time (if not Moon, but Moon is a very hated map and I understand) and it really does feel like a classic map combined with a lot of what BO3 would become... But the story of the map is very intertwined with the gameplay which in some ways does take away from the whole mystery of the map; this said, I feel Mob balanced story with gameplay near perfectly. 17:20 It's Origins where the "easter egg" is basically THE OBJECTIVE OF THE MAP and you have Samantha literally getting pissed at you for not doing steps of the easter egg. Even the "easter egg radios" have a "press _ to play radio" prompt as the story is so in your face on that map. While Origins is an outstanding map (like, the staves are iconic), I could never get my mates to play it with me back in the day and even now getting back into zombies with the boys, everyone just wants to play Kino, Der Riese, Tranzit, Town, or Ascension just due to how simple and casual those maps are. Seeing how every map beyond Origins took notes from Origins, that means I can't play and BO3 maps with the boys... and quite frankly, most days I don't wanna have to invest 2 hours into "setting up" and building wonder weapons. I guess zombies just got too complicated while also becoming less complicated, if that makes sense.
I like Origins and what came afterwards, but at the time I knew a big change in direction had been taken, people had been changed in power and old plots were being dropped. It was visible in both the BO3 campaign and zombies. Still depressed that the original writers never tied up what ACTUALLY happened to Reznov, after the double twist hidden in the computer terminal. EDIT: Forgot to mention the evidence that zombies and campaign shared the same universe, which was mostly dropped.
@@julianjimenez8231 Yes, that and a secret in the mission titles all but confirm that Reznov actually did survive Vorkuta (although what Mason saw post-Vorkuta was just a hallucination, except maybe in Afghanistan). It explains how certain people knew certain things that they wouldn't have otherwise, like Rezonv (under the alias John Trent) told Hudson that Mason had escaped and where to find him.
They actually retconned the campaign universe to take place after the ending of BO4 Zombies, along with the MW19 and WWII/Vanguard campaigns. It opened a huge can of worms and there's an obscene number of plot holes/things that don't make sense.
Beyond the addictive gameplay, what made zombies so intriguing and charming early on was the easter eggs hidden in the maps. No pre-rendered cutscenes dumping exposition, just the map itself was a big Easter egg that enticed curious players to explore and figure out the lore and world-building.
I know no one agrees, but I loved AW zombies so much, it was so much fun using the exo suit to survive for as long as you could, jumping around tryna keep distance between you and the hordes
@@sergiotapia626 in my opinion they added some much needed intensity and challenge, having to dodge them made the mode a lot more difficult, otherwise it woulda been too easy
Nice to see that sombody else love Exo Zombies! I loved it too and had a lot of fun moments with it. I even like to install Advanced Warfare from time to time to enjoy some Exo Zombies.
I agree with basically everything you're saying, especially regarding the narrative. The more they expanded and added, the less interested I got because that factor of mystery was completely gone with the addition of...essentially aliens directly influencing the story lines instead of sitting in the back, watching it play out.
Zombies lost me because it became too complex. Previously you could survive without the Easter eggs and then it became like you had to do the story or Easter eggs to survive. I enjoyed WaW and BO1 zombies but after that I gave up on it, along with call of duty in general. Happy Easter everyone!
I see a lot of ppl saying this. Can u give an example of what u mean? Not trying to be a dick, genuine question, and like I said a lot of ppl feel like u do so I’m curious. On BO2/ BO3 are there maps that the EE is required?
@@Pistol1783 I mean, in origins you need to build the staffs, there is no mystery box equivalent. For maps like mob of the dead, a simple task like turning on the power or getting to pack a punch is a full on quest for no reason. i think its an issue with blundell maps, and personally I believe he's the one that led the downfall of zombies.
@@Pistol1783 Hiddenxperia touched on it with zombies becoming more story based. I will be honest I don’t really remember BO2 zombies, but I remember it not hooking me. I do remember Shadows of Evil and I tried getting into it but I had no idea what to do; was a similar experience with BO4 zombies. I mainly felt that zombies after BO1 was not for me and that’s not to say it’s bad. But I totally understand why you might enjoy newer zombies and that’s great.
@@samstv1759 if MOTD is too complicated in terms of getting PaP, I truly got no response for that. I get the Origins take, you kinda do need a staff to survive on that map, but that MOTD take is horrendous IMO
When the Easter Eggs turned into: hit pause or watch a crawler as I watch this instructional video on RU-vid for the Easter Egg and the requirement to complete the Easter Egg to even have a chance against a boss or to go deep into the game, really took my out of it
I can absolutely point to the specific element that triggered the downfall: the hacker device from the map Moon. You were forced to use it to stop the excavators or else an entire half of the map would become inaccessible; if you happened to be on the side without the teleporter to Area 51 or the hacker spawn, you basically lost the game. Additionally, it was very difficult to use the device solo since you sacrificed your space suit and shooting capabilities, so you had to bring the chaotic gameplay to a screeching halt in order to usher the other players into one room or another like a mother duck. In game design terms, we would call that a parasitic mechanic; it was only there to serve itself, not to make the shooting more fun or intuitive. It set a precedent for every following map.
Funnily enough even though I agree, the hacker device was what made our friend group actually want to play Moon. You had a "timer" to go rush something even if you were not ready or your survival was severely impacted. It was also time when the easter eggs were a challenge, not an almost mandatory quest.
Great video. For me it was the addition of gobblegums in Black ops 3 that really did the series in. As fun as that mode was it's hard to deny that the weapons are too powerful right out of the gate. When upgraded guns are as powerful as the wonder weapons they had to make the wonder weapons extremely overpowered just to compete.
THANK GOD SOMEBODY SAID IT. You articulated my grievances with COD Zombies much better than I could. Shadows of Evil is a lot of people's favorite map but in my opinion, it encapsulates a lot of problems I have with the direction Zombies went. Forced narrative, forced quests for players to undertake, and an overcomplication of the simple mechanics zombies players had grown to love. I will always hate SOE for that. Fantastic cosmetic design but it really is everything I hate about zombies mechanically.
Your criticism about the conspiracy and Primis knowing more than the player is exactly why I like Victis the most. We still have no idea what’s happening with them and I love it.
First video of yours I've found and I could honestly watch a 6 hour version of this going super in depth, your delivery and also your talking points were well thought out and I totally agree with them, you completely captured how I have felt about zombies for a long time! Great stuff!
I loved BO1 Zombie but lost interest of the mode in BO2 when I felt like things were getting overly complicated. I tried BO4 zombies but like you said it felt too curated and wasn't into the whole story
21:15 The best Zombies song starts playing. I see what you did there. The music easter eggs were some of the best. I remember staying up late into the night with friends when the new maps would drop on the original Zombies story and we'd spend hours combing the maps looking for every little thing we could find. We were obsessed with knowing more and loving every moment of it. Thank you for bringing back these wonderful memories.
Feels good when you realize you’re not the only one thinking this way about how the zombies storyline went from hidden mystery, theories and conspiracy to an exposed storytelling and cutscenes smh , I remember loading screens from waw and bo1 were sooo mysterious and creepy rather than intro cutscenes that started with origins -_- kills the whole vibe of zombies for me
Omg, this makes me feel so old… I’m turning 29, and this just makes me sad and happy at the same time. I guess I should be thankful that I experienced them in their golden days. Zombies and Halo are not as popular as they are, and I’m still a loyal fan of both… 😢
This reminds me of the now solved mystery of the ODST glyphs, what’s more fun as a player? To follow the trail of breadcrumbs? Or find who has been leaving them behind?
Out of all the zombies analysis/retrospective videos I’ve seen throughout the years, this one personally spoke to me the most. As a day one zombies player who’s been playing since ‘08 world at war days, I knew there was something special to this mode. I remained a die hard fan till around the midpoint of the BO2 days, I’d say buried was the last map I was truly hyped for. My gradual lack of interest toward the mode was due to alot of things as my interests were changing at the time and I just wasn’t invested in video games as much as I once was. Along with that, I could feel zombies losing its authenticity that made me fall in love with it in the first place. To me it just lost that certain ambiguity or edginess that had me hooked for all those years. Aside from what the franchise has turned into, I’m happy we got what we did with those early maps. Truly a special time to be a gamer.
This has to be the best articulation on the downfall of zombies I've ever seen. Waw zombies use to literally give me chills, now I don't play cold war zombies as much bc ik it's 2 hours before the match is even interesting, let alone fun.
Such a true video that really says what i've felt with zombies. I haven't even bothered playing the recent zombies in the last 4 or 5 years. I had all the dlc for the BO3 zombies, but I can't stand the ugly guns & future asthetic that OG maps have pushed over top of them. This video convinced me to get the WOW game on steam rn and if anyone else is nostalgic it's on sale till the 21st on steam for $15CAD! Edit: PS WOW on steam comes with all the DLC for zombies, but multiplayer is the only thing not working so great, just fyi
I remember doing the Der Riese UFO and hide and go seek Easter eggs for the first time when I was a teenager. I couldn't believe they hid such a cool thing in round based mode. Now, doing all that nonsense is necessary for your progression through each map. It's thrown in your face even if you just want to shoot some zombies for a few hours. I miss the subtlety and simplicity of the old maps.
@hiddenxperia no cap at 6:40 ish calling you out on the spotty lore, Shino Numa was actually a division 9 research facility that later on was overseen by group 935. I love ur vids and I may be very very biased on criticism on any zombies from b03 and earlier. But the whole mystery of looking for clues and what not are STILL THERE IN BO3. Like we have I think almost 10 unsolved Cyphers from revelations alone. But I mean no offense in this comment. I just really REALLY love cod zombies. I'm a bo1 baby been playing since 2010 starting from Kino Der toten
You mentioned stuff like gobblegums but you didn't mention the op bank system in black ops 2. Where you can set up everything at round 1. The bank system also gets rid of tension when you can get everything at round 1.
I think the biggest hit to the gamemode was the elimination of the challenging game progression. Back in the day as you said it was all up to the player to both progress through the game and uncover the easter eggs, theories, and slight story. The gamemode nowadays has not only lost its soul but also has forsaken and completely forgot about that challenging in-game progression and hidden story that the game was so renound for. It guides the player at every turn, tells the player what to do, and eliminates the original purpose of the game: that is survive. It forces the player to commit to these quests unlike how the older games made it the player's choice. Let's say for example if Skyrim gave you a fully fledged out skill tree/map, every shout and magical ability/spell, a fck ton of weapons, scrolls and armor, and 50 of each potion and tincture in the game at the start and forced the player to fight Alduin or Miraak straight away. Or in another example let's just say Minecraft forced players to go and kill the Ender Dragon or Wither rather than make it a choice, and that it guided the player deliberately through the entire process instead of making the player figure out said process by their own means. Or if they like Skyrim were given everything necessary to fight the Enderdragon or Wither right at the start and subsequently everything you need to get to them or summon them all at the start of the game. When a game guides the player through gameplay the entire time too much or gives the player everything they would possibly need in the beginning it eliminates the players experience by invalidating the challenges and journey the player must face within the game to get to the end and thus it eliminates rhyme and reason in playing the game. It eliminates the fun of playing it at all. That's what the later gamemodes of COD Zombies do.
I never really got into CoD zombies, the story up until the black ops3 was a extremely cool thing I was more interested in than the mode itself. After a while I got bored of just never having an objective beyond just seeing how long I could survive. Everyone I knew and played with was more interested in bragging about what level they got to and I was done. I still don't know what the heck the story of zombies is and unfortunately, I don't care anymore. As you say the feeling of helplessness is gone, and whilst I found the no chance of victory dumb, I'd rather have an actual objective to complete, the game mode itself was lost. Then I fell out with CoD with the super fast and aggressive gameplay. It was already there with people nearly always picking smgs and the one hit kill guns, but you could still beat these guys, but it felt like this aggressive and fast gameplay was *the* way to play. I think Extinction in CoD ghosts was the only mode that I really enjoy. Whilst to some it's a bad zombie clone, it's still a good different game. There's an objective so you have to attack, and defend against the horde, weapons and attachments are scattered around the map and varied so you might not get the same attachment. you'd get told the story, to the point of what a commanding officer would tell a team and the rest you uncovered. And you had a potential to beat the mode and win. Which to me felt more satisfying than zombies. But would I ever go back to zombies? No. The damage is done, even if they returned to form, I've lost so much interest in zombie games unless it's Resident Evil or State of Decay.
Knowing how RU-vid comments sections are this will defiantly get buried. However, I would love to get the chance to talk to you HiddenXperia. I agree so so many things, however there are some things that I feel you might have missed or just barely touched on that could have maybe had their own sections of the video. For instance like the changing of story Directors in Black Ops 2-3 (Jimmy Zielinski to Jason Blundell) massively altering and changing the story. (in my opinion for the worse.) Or how with all the different ways the developers left easter egg clues for players, My personal favorite way was the Music. How little phrases or lyrics had weight and value to them, on top of them also providing an amazing requiem for the slaying of hoards of undead. I love you content and this video has been a cherry on top. Happy Easter and Take care.
As much as I enjoyed Cold Wars zombies, it didn’t feel like COD zombies at all or didn’t feel as horrific and terrifying. I’m sure zombies are meant to be a horror experience, not some power fantasy where right off the gate, the zombies look like pathetic ants.
The only element or horror I felt was in the quick snippet of its reveal in the Cold War trailer. The game itself is very whacky and I honestly hate the way the movement is, and the zombies look and sound.
I've always heard and seen snippets of how many think that Zombies did end up degrading as time has gone on, but I think this is probably one of the first I've seen in more recent memory that's definitely understandable. I suppose I as a player should be kinda thankful I only played World at War (still my favorite) and Black Ops 1/2. 'Previously used to be more interested in the secrets and story/lore way back in my 360 days, but since Black Ops 2 I've never really had much of a drive to look into them that much, just play. The more... fantastical reimagining just felt odd to me and transitioning over to PC made me stop playing COD as a whole almost entirely as well. I always loved a lot of the easter eggs, *especially* the music ones from WAW and BO1. BO2 had some that were good, but usually too complicated either due to map size or layout that prevented me from getting them enough to really start liking them. The gameplay though... The gameplay has almost entirely been why I have never gone past BO2 (ignoring Advanced Warfare, but we don't talk about that;) I just don't like the more... arcade-y aspects of the games beyond that point enough to be interested in even a mode I still like a lot to this day as well. WAW was just the right kind of simple, and I think a lot of people don't appreciate that. BO1 and BO2 progressively got more unique and complex, yes, but I personally think it started taking away what made zombies, well, zombies to me. Also, Der Riese catwalk gang
You put it so much more eloquent and in so much more detail than I possibly could in a youtube comment, but personally i think it was very clear where the series started going downhill, that is after moon and starting with tranzit, moon was the greatest but also last GREAT map in my opinion, in that it was the upper limit of complexity where adding more starts getting ridiculous and making it less fun instead of more. Same goes for the easter egg, It was difficult but doable and the reward was worth it. However they kept moving in that direction, adding more and more features and more and more complexity to the point where the most basic things like turning on the power and getting the pack a punch are so convoluted that it’s like doing an easter egg themselves and requires a full coordinated team (which can easily take upwards of 20-30 minutes of surfing lobbies before you get 4 people with mics, that are talking and all have a decent enough connection) and forget about most of the easter eggs past that point. Don’t get me wrong I had a lot of fun with black ops 2 (except tranzit that was plain terrible and the prime example of everything they got wrong) but the problems started adding up culminating in black ops 3 where as you said all the features demolished the challenge and progression of starting up a new game and building yourself up from nothing, it’s like with every other part of call of duty they said “we’ve got a great formula let’s stick to it” but made zombies with the complete opposite philosophy
This video is so unbelievably based. Zombies certainly jumped the shark at around BO3 when the story became extremely over complex and the game started taking itself way too seriously. The gameplay also took a dive after BO3, trending towards becoming easier and easier.
@@formarkv bro it was absolutely ridiculous. The plot got ridiculously complex and stupid. We went from zombies being based around German conspiracy theory’s of like wonder weapons and super soldiers to fucking riding dragons and tentacle men and multiverse shit. Like huh???
Black ops 3 was the first game me And my circle of friends started playing less zombies and lost interest 100% after the next game pretty much immediately
Played a ton of BO1/BO2 zombies. Was obsessed with the storyline. It was so heavily implied that the story would expand to aliens (pyramids in space, shangri-la mars theory, moon in general). Checked out of BO3/BO4 when they went fully magical vague multiverse shit instead of sticking with their sci-fi/military roots.
The days of my friends and I staying up all night to play the new zombies map to find the easter eggs and further our knowledge of what 115 and group 935 were, were some of the best times of my entire life. Black Ops 3 zombies seemed so far from where it started for me that I wasn't interested in it. Every once in a while I still hop on a game at Ascension, or Kino Der Toten and see if I can beat my previous best on solo. Man, I freaking COOKED my first xbox 360 keeping it running for 12+ hours just running around in circles shooting at zombies that seemed to take absolutely no damage. I really miss those days.
Gobblegums are a mixed bag for me. They absolutely were a skip button that you could pay for and halted the progression of the game, but I also feel that they added a lot of replay value to the game based on the combos you used and added a lot of fun to the game
Honestly, like, I have been playing Zombies for 10 years now. From the days of going to the net cafe after school with friends to play Nacht and Der Riese to playing "FIve" on PS3 and trying my hardest to do the Origins easter egg. I have gotten more than enough of the basic zombie gameplay loop "5 shots in the body, knife, buy door, buy wall gun/try luck in box, collect points for jug, collect points for other perks, collect points for pap, survive until I get bored or die". The gubblegums, weapon kits and progression system re-ignited my desire to play the game again. They open up an entire new dimension of zombie experiences and for that I appreciate their addition. Microtransactions are gross but the fact that I do not wish to pay money for gums creates an entire new management dimension in my zombie experience, trying to make sure I don't overuse gubblegums and store them for special occasions. One can do the same routine on Der Riese for so long before it gets old honestly.
I enjoyed the aesthetic of AW zombies. It was modern and gritty and the soundtrack for the mode backed by Chris Vrenna made it even better. Shame I didn’t enjoy the gameplay of it at all though.
In BO3 they started going bigger with the thought of bigger is better. I agree completely with you, I didn’t have words to describe my disappointment in BO3 zombies and now I know. But I also have to say that I now feel a need to complete all easter eggs in BO3 and buy zombies chronicles
I honestly agree when they created a Multiverse with literally the same characters but a different timeline I kind of lost interest in the story it didn't have the scary atmosphere anymore with conspiracies and secret societies behind it
Thank you so much for making this video. I made a channel around 5 years ago to articulate your exact sentiment but this video did that way better than I could. In a nutshell, zombies understandably became more like CoD, with actioney solo aspects when it should have clung to it's horror based coop focused horde mode riots. I'm envisioning portal 2/RE7 style deadly puzzles for coop play, new coop features like reloading belt magazines of comrades, etc. What kinda annoys me in particular is how much content we're locked out of by not using RU-vid in the newer games. WaW-early bo1, you miss out on some music and lore. Any later, and half the dev time was put into fun weapons and boss fights that only 5% of people will experience.
First time commenter, been subbed just before infinite got delayed in 2021 I believe. I agree with just about every thing until you mentioned weapon kits but you definitely did change my perspective on it. Needless to say cod zombies and I feel most games in general have just gotten too “easier” in the last couple of years
One thing I think you forgot to mention was the strategy part of the gameplay. One of the best parts of zombies was the strategies you came up with with ur friends or even solo. I think the devs had good intentions of evolving the gameplay but sadly missed the mark. Maps like the bo1 snow map with bosses that prevented camping unfortunately took away the element of strategy. In theory the invincible/following boss did solve the camping problem….but it also stripped zombies of something special. A better way to fix the camping problem would be to have a game function where the ground around you erodes over time so you have to pick which places to camp in and what order. Do you camp in the catwalk for 15 rounds and then move to the basement level spot? Or do you stay at the catwalk for 5 rounds, and come back later when you know it will be better in the long run? Maybe mix it up for maximum benefit. The possibilities are endless. This would bring back strategy and make it something new and fun while also fixing a boring repeatable/everyone’s a winner camping problem. Sure eventually someone would find the ultimate strategy, but still. It would be so much fun!
Great video, I really love you branching out as a creator while keeping your roots and small references to halo! I would love to see you pitch a podcast idea with Act Man and maybe a few other gamers talking about video game franchises/series and doing fun tier lists or comparison videos talking about what you love and hate about each and where they could have done better or improved!!
I really liked it when it was less explained. when the Nazi's found strange powers, foolishly meddled with it and endangered the world. When we felt like we were dealing with power far beyond our control. We weren't afraid of some otherworldly evil, but rather what terrible people could do with new powers.
Sort of. The evil was otherworldly, but besides the MPD and the Vril device (even Shangri-La was constructed by modern people), we never saw it directly. That and the ghosts in Buried, but those seemed like they were disconnected from Element 115.
I had always wondered what specifically pushed me away from the zombies, and I think what you said perfectly explains why. I used to be so invested with the storyline in particular, and when they started Origins I became very confused with the multiverse (tho Origins is one of my favorite maps of all time). The hidden story throughout WaW - Bo2 Buried had me excitedly waiting for the next map.
One of the most underrated zombies mode was WWII zombies, it may have had several flaws, but the aesthetic was very horror themed and felt like you were uncovering a mystery
By far my favourite in the series. And the designs are amazing. But my favourite thing is the corpse gate, shit may be twisted but it added that cherry on top of a great cake
You're the only Halo RU-vidr other than LateNightGaming that I can actually both relate to and confidently support. Favyn just gets on my nerves and annoys the hell out of me haha. Cheers to you buddy, keep it up. :)
This is the thing I loved about Call of Duty WWII Nazi Zombies. It's story was more of discovery, all while you could here the scientist ranting about how he could not be stopped. I just loved it because it had so much mystery and hidden lore.
This video really made me think about why I love games, and why the games I love work. I think its a case of "easy to learn, but hard to master". Take elden ring for example. The only things you start out with are move, hit and dodge. Then as you play the game, you get more complex abilities with better weapons, power stancing and ashes. The game was easy to learn as i only needed those 3 basic move, hit and dodge, but became more complex and as such felt I was learning and mastering the game more. Like you said in the video, the player starts out simple, you get a basic pistol and can move around. Fundamentally, this is all you really need to play the game, but as it goes on you get better guns and perks and areas. It feels as though you learn to master the game as you get better abilities and it becomes more complex, the key being "becomes more complex". So many games try to start you out with every option right out the gate. Heres your main weapon and your side and here are the perks they all have and what they all do along with the enemies who are weak to these things and heres where they appear and what level they are and here are the abilities youll be gaining and your story and characters youll need to know and the crafting system and mater- STOP!! it starts out as complex and as such, has nowhere to go to make the player feel as though they are becoming more powerful, just that they are playing correctly now. it becomes hard to learn, and easy to master. I want to feel as though im struggling to outpace the enemy, and once I do, I should feel as though I'm in a constant race to stay ahead of them, not that I've hit an arbitrary power and can start this part now. Elden ring does falter in this area in constantly trying to make the player feel underpowered in every new area, so I feel as though dark souls is a better example as after Anor Londo, the player feels as though they have outpaced the enemies, but must always stay on their toes in order to keep ahead of them lest they fall back into being underpowered. I also feel as though this is what happened to zombies like you said. The player started out weak, matched and outpaces the horde, and struggles to stay ahead. Now, here are all your perks and options right out the gate(which ultimatly also may overwhelm new players who miss the basic fun horde mode), and so all thats left is stay ahead of the horde, and every game is ultimately the same , and the gameplay loop becomes an arc
I can't stand modern zombies. I think it started going downhill after Black Ops 1. The story, the gameplay, and even a lot of the maps were just dumb and over the top. You went from this interesting, mysterious, yet subtle story of this futuristic technology like teleporters and even time travel becoming more and more likely but with consequences...To magic, dragons, time travel like its a Sunday morning drive, multiverses, 1000-foot tall robots, ghosts and plenty more. The gameplay went from a somewhat stressful and creepy atmospheric thriller survival shooter to just a straight-up arcade game, flashy lights everywhere, over the top magical weapons, survival was gone especially when you can start with a class like its Online and gobble gum giving you hundreds of perks, no longer a game where you're thrown in the thick of it with only a sidearm and having to use whatever guns you can find to survive, now just some crazy wacky fantasy shooter without even trying to add any atmosphere or aaaany sense of realism. I don't even know the story now as it's all just a twisted mess of "What other stuff do we see in magical games?"
Pretty much my thoughts exactly. World at War had the strongest core experience - creepy and tense, but fun and with all these interesting secrets/lore that you usually heard by word-of-mouth on a mate's couch. Very strong in that conspiracy theory and 'Nazi wunderwaffen' aesthetic. Black Ops brought us Kino and Five, which continued the general aesthetic but brought us even more secrets and lore. Then the BO1 DLC maps came out, each getting crazier than the last but all in a very good way (if a little less focused on the horror elements). The last DLC took place on the bloody moon, and it worked! That niche combination of the Zombies game mode's aesthetic with that unnerving fear of the unknown from retro lunar space travel. Brilliant. Of course there's a lot of nostalgia mixed in there, but those first two Zombies games were truly an unforgettable experience. And then BO2 came out, and the wackiness started getting a little out of hand. Off-beat from the prior two games. And then every game with Zombies after that just felt less like the experience we signed up for. It's a shame what happened to the series, but it still lives fondly in my memories. ...And I can't talk about CoD without mentioning World at War, Black Ops 1, Modern Warfare 1 and 2 will forever be the best CoD games. Fight me.
Holy shit new HiddenXperia content?! Just a request from a humble viewer if I may- but I would LOVE a Metal Gear Solid story breakdown from you!! Yeah it’s been done before but nowhere near with the same amount of passion as you have for the series! Looking forward to the new age of HiddenXperia!
Bo1 moon was meant to be a literal "end with a bang" finale. It was supposed to end there. Bo2 was already pushing it. The dying corpse is already dead and has been decomposing for years.
@@formarkv You may be right. I love Die Rise though so I like to think the quality of zombies went down with BO3 but BO3 custom zombies is a lot of fun. Leviathan for example is my favorite map of even official maps like moon.
Honestly weapon kits are a welcomed addition to me (in bo3), specially since it helped weapons like the Drakon and some LMGs reach their true potential with the inclusion of customizable sights and fast mags, but in the other hand it took away some of the charm of pack a punching, with almost all weapons being limited to just the inclusion of FMJ and extended mags
I disagree. The Precursors are even more creepy, mysterious, and cool than the Forerunners. Their link to the Flood and Endless, all their tech except for the Domain was destroyed, they created life in the universe, and much more. 343 removed the mystery of the Forerunners but did a great job at letting the Precursors fill it in
I never thought of it that way before, and I can't help but feel like you're right. Hopefully the new Endless mystery can scratch (or create) that new it!
A few weeks ago I bought the original COD world at war just for the zombies mode and I loved it, I remembered I spent most of the night playing it and continued for weeks...until MCC dropped flood firefight (a mode that I heard was almost every Halo fan's dream and I can see why) and while I still play COD zombies, flood firefight is now my favorite
is it that good i heard its easy but i do like to solo,i have mcc but im still trying to do halo ce on legendary lel never touched the multiplayer or firefight apart from that one time at my friends playing reach
@@apexfalllegendarium349 I suck at multiplayer except for slayer on Halo CE so firefight is my best alternative from campaign and trust me flood firefight is really good especially when you turn on the setting for unique combat dialogue which is something I never thought the flood can do
while I kinda miss the days of waw and bo1 , I absolutely loves what they are doing with bo3 and to me it was the perfect zombies game additions like gums and weapons kit are actually really good for replayablity , to gain some small attachment is actually rewarding for grinding (still sucks it took away the special attachment you get from pap) and the gums gave me a lot of replay time just because I want to do certain EE with let's say death machine only or random perk only etc... so it gave a lot variety to play but I still I understand the people frustration about it being monetized or very op but still all are optional you don't have to use it and your experience still be good
The beginning of the downfall of Zombies was Origins. The second they decided to do an alternate timeline and make a map whose sole purpose was resetting all that was built up to that point was the downfall lol.
Origins is literally when i stopped giving a fuck. I loved transit. I loved Die Rise, all the so called "hated bo2 maps" but origins, the map everyone supposably loved i never even had the will to play it because the wacky "flashy ancient alien" felt like such a disgusting warp of the gritty vibe i loved. Im sure the map has good mechanics and might even be fun to play, but i hate its artistic direction, i hate the fact that you get super OP wonder weapons just for the "power fantasy" and how its super easter egg based. Every map after origins went it its direction, and I've yet to be exited for anything zombies.
It’s honestly so sad what happened to zombies, I mean think about it, when the game mode first came out it was scary amazing fun and mysterious, nothing was given to you when it came to the story, you had to figure it out and discover the secrets yourself, and don’t even get me started on what has been done with our beloved perks, gobble gums, and pack a punch, just as he’s saying slowly they just stole the magic from everything, got rid of the people who really care about this game that we loved so much, it truly pains me to see our magic and fun be destroyed by those who just want money. Bring the heart of zombies back
Damn good video dude! I just want to say thank you for not giving up and branching out. Here's to a new era for you, we are behind you 150%. Also noticed you've stripped your room of *most* things Halo - me too. Save for the Bungie era memorabilia lmao
Agreed oldheads couldn’t handle learning a map. I swear besides difficulty and atmosphere they got nothing cause you wouldn’t catch me dead playing boring ass kino for more than 20 minutes
And honestly they have a point, in high school i had time to learn maps but now i have to worry about a lot more things and have way less time, a simpler experience would cather to me a bit more
Will this be a new series? "The Downfall Series"! It would be great. The Downfall of Halo, CoD, Battlefield and countless others. Love the videos! I watch/listen while I'm working. Makes the day so much faster.
Remember when the Zombies lore was simply just Nazis messing with something from space that they shouldn't have messed with? And that the most bizarre thing beyond that was the time travel gimmick to make the unique locations accessible to WW2 era soldiers? I remember
It bitched me off how the ruined Nacht in BO3. Everything that made that map special was removed, entire ambience was killed and when you spawned you heard those clicking of those gobble gums, mule kick and wundefreeze that made the map awful. Spawning in WaW Nacht: 😱😱😱 Spawning in BO3 Nacht: Click Click it's clicking time and singing sea songs to.
I honestly think BO3 is the best. It has the best maps imo, guns that are really fun to shoot, the greatest atmosphere out of any game (Look at Shadows of Evil) And overall good easter eggs and gameplay.
All it needed for me was a MOTD remaster like they did in Zombie Chronicles and it would be utterly perfect. It's still the best version like you said but this would just be the icing on the cake
