I find it fitting in Martin's continued, epic scale yet surgical as a scalpel deconstruction of fantasy, that the character referred to as "dragontamer" is a timid boy with an inflated sense of purpose who keeps NOT getting the hint that "dragon taming" is like trying to wrangle hurricanes.
*Literally everyone he speaks to:* "Quentyn, you should absolutely not try to tame one of he Queen's dragons. That's seriously the most idiotic, foolhardy idea I've ever heard. You will definitely die." Quentyn: "So.... You're saying I should whip the dragon on the face?"
George does this to challenge our expectations in future plot points. The Quentyn plot is to make us doubt that Aegon or Jon could ever ride a dragon themselves, probably because eventually either character will end up in a situation where they have to take control of one. It could even be compounded by the Victarion plot, where it may show us "another way" to take control of a dragon. It's the same why George is giving us the Aegon plot; to make us doubt that Jon will succeed where another failed when he faces a similar situation. The Tattered Prince was likely an older Aegon before the timeskip was cut. The cape made of his fallen enemies' cloth is like the Iron Throne made of the swords of Aegon's conquest.
Martin likes the clash between romanticism and reality. In particular he has several characters who think of themselves as (re)enacting certain stories and it never ends well: see Quentyn, Arianne, Book I Sansa, arguably Melissandre and in a twisted sense perhaps even Littlefinger and Varys and probably some others too. In addition, virtually every pov character who has a clear idea about who and what they are is faced with losing some aspect of themselves or the world which they thought made them who they were. Then they are faced with a reality that is harder to deal with because they have the reinvent themselves. Quentyn is a romantic who clashes with reality and who will have to reconsider who he is and what he can realistically accomplish. And, harshly said, he isn't up to the challenge. His mission was doomed to fail because Doran's plans are too slow, half the people involved don't know about them even though their cooperation is needed, and they simply don't work after 15 years of unforeseen events. Instead of swallowing his pride and cutting his losses, Quentin keeps doubling down on seeing himself as the hero of an adventure, endangering those of his company who are still alive to give meaning to the deaths of the others. And eventually it leads to his own gruesome death after he takes one huge risk too many. In addition he loosens the dragons which has huge plot and symbolic implications. But setting his plot relevance aside, his story is just a small example of many of the themes that are central in Asoiaf. Duty, intrigue, romanticism, the game of thrones, psychological bias, loss of identity and failure.
The Quentyn story gives us some doubt about Aegon making the wrong direction by going to Westeros instead of seeking out a marriage with Daenerys, as he might have ended up the same way. It also gives Doran a reason to turn from Dany and fully support Aegon instead, making it certain she has no friends in Westeros when she invades. Realising people won't automatically bend to her will as the rightful queen and having to play politics yet again is enough to make a young girl go mad. So no, I don't find the Quentyn chapters particularly interesting, but I can guess at their purpose.
I like how the show handled the dragons being freed from that area. They aren't stupid creatures, they can tell when someone is trying to help and coming at them with a slow movement and quiet approach is best anyway when dealing with creatures who are already not happy from being chained up. Quentyn was an idiot. He might have gotten away with at least his life if he had approached quietly and cautiously, without a whip and without intention of control. The arrow didn't help matters. It wouldn't have worked, of course, even if he had gone about it in a smart way, but at least the dragons wouldn't have been quite as annoyed. He might have gotten away with just a bite or something. But then he also doesn't seem the type to react appropriately to a dragon's warning signs and just respectfully back off when hearing a roar or growl.
If the Simpsons were to parody moments from ASOIAF they'd cast Milhouse as Quentyn Martell and Lisa Simpson as Danaerys Targaryen in Dany's rebuffing of Quentyn's offer of marriage.
I don’t think it was meant to be a “mocking” chapter title. The chapter titles seem to depict who the characters believe they are at the time. It’s the same for Arys Oakheart’s chapter, Barriston Selmy’s chapters, and notably Theon’s later chapters.
His whole role in the story boils down to a "it was at this moment that he knew he fucked up" moment. His last words being "Oh, f-" give you the idea about him. Yet I pity him... F
'Quentyn Martell who wasn't even deemed worthy to be in game of thrones'. The show also didn't include the Tysha storyline which led to an amazing character change for Tyrion, Lady Stoneheart who adds so much more tragedy and more complexity to the Brienne storyline as well as the Aegon storyline which makes Varys a way more interesting character. My point is even though the show didn't include the Quentyn storyline it doesn't mean that it won't be heavily important in the book series.
Fakeout deaths George has done in the past: Davos was swept into a burning mass of ships in his own POV chapter, Tyrion drowned in his own POV chapter, Arya got an axe to the back of her head in her own POV chapter, Asha got an axe to the back of her head in her own POV chapter
Good video. I like the theory that it's not actually quint who died, though who it would be instead I don't know. But selmy does work out that the big man and drink are clearly bad liars. Who knows what else they are lying about, their behaviour does seem off, the kind of detail that GRRM is pretty good with. But there are problems with this theory, either way it will be interesting to find out more :) good luck with 200k my friend, I cannot believe you are almost there, i think I have been here since fairly close to the beginning. Glad to see you progressing as always, your videos just keep getting better. Keep up the amazing work 💜
Simply being POV doesn't mean the character is very important and not being one doesn't mean they are less important. Some characters can't be POV because knowing what's on their mind would spoil the plot. Best example for very important but not POV because of spoiling: Euron Greyjoy best example of not really that important but a POV: Aeron Greyjoy. He's kind of a nobody in the grand scheme of things. I like him and his chapters though
I used to love anything related to GOT's lore. But Season 8 really ruined it for me. Now I can't bear touching it with a ten foot pole. So sad that it had become this way. 😢
I enjoyed these chapters even if meaningless overall, we got to see behind enemy lines some and the 'dragontamer' released the dragons, if he wanted to write more Bran chapters I doubt anyone was stopping him from lengthening the book
There's no POV chapter for Maergery Tyrell??? She's one of the most subtle and cunning female characters playing the Game. She drowns her enemies in honeyed words, instead of slipping poisons. She's the first of very few to make any gesture of admiration to Tommen, regarding his kingship. She's the noble woman, not afraid to get down in the mud, to hear out the commoners. Her weapons and strategies, comparatively, makes her a very unique and interesting player. (PS. Natalie Dormer, THANK YOU.)
Does he have any videos comparing the fighting pit with drogon and danny between the book and show? She whipped drogon? I need to know but don't wanna read
Oh for sure and it was crazy! Drogon didn't come to save her, he came because of all the blood that was being shed during the fighting in the pits, she faces him and initially he's set on killing her too but she has the whip, remembering that she was a dragon too and whipped him continuously while screaming DOWN, to him, to finally he submitted and he took off. Wish they would of kept it like that in the show, that would of been so much more intense
I do think that Quentin is an important character, because what happened to him can backfire Aegon (Young Griff), since the sandsnakes are very like their father, they can just try to hurt Aegon to take revenge on the Targaryens🤔🤔
I mean it seems that maybe he had a chance before Viserion decided enough was enough. But still I would've called it awash after Daenerys turned me down looked for atleast an offer of alliance and went home to bury my friend.
I don't believe that Quentyn is dead. How come it took him 3 days to die? That doesn't make any sense. If if he was burned alive by dragon fire he would have died instantly.
It's not surprising that the heir of a great house gets a lot of pages dedicated to him. The other great houses had endless amounts written about their heirs as well, even if they weren't necessarily viewpoint characters, they had many other people commenting on what they were doing.
Jaehaerys's first daughter was also called Daenerys. <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="435">7:15</a> my dude I think you should reread. You've been making quite a few mistakes of late
@Just Some Loser Im not just talking about this. He has been sloppy with a lot of his videos which I do not blame him for because this universe is far to vast for everyone to remember everything. I'm just saying that he shouldn't convey wrong information because for most people RU-vid/him are the direct source of information. I know he was for me before I read all of the books
I love how GRRM puts these kinda of characters in even tho he is an idiot it still makes the story. Without him it probably wouldnt be the same. Plus without him the dragons wouldn't have been released lol
