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The Dying Gaul and the Ludovisi Gaul 

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Dying Gaul, 1st or 2nd century C.E. (Roman copy of Third Century B.C.E. Hellenistic bronze commemorating Pergamon's victory over the Gauls likely from the Sanctuary of Athena at Pergamon), marble, 93 cm high (Musei Capitolini, Rome)
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Gaul killing himself and his wife (The Ludovisi Gaul), 1st or 2nd century C.E. (Roman copy of Third Century B.C.E. Hellenistic bronze commemorating Pergamon's victory over the Gauls likely from the Sanctuary of Athena at Pergamon), marble, 211 cm high (Palazzo Altemps, Museo Nazionale Romano, Rome)
Speakers: Dr. Beth Harris and Dr. Steven Zucker

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@kristenmarielle3497
@kristenmarielle3497 3 месяца назад
I love this video so much I have watched it six times, seven times as I write this comment. :) thank you so much to the makers of these videos, they are so enriching and emotion provoking.
@smarthistory-art-history
@smarthistory-art-history 3 месяца назад
We are glad you enjoyed it, thank you for reaching out. Be sure to visit smarthistory.org to find all of our videos and essays.
@dake2750
@dake2750 Год назад
The second sculpture is epic and powerful. That man is a proud, unyielding, brave soldier. He would rather arrogantly take his own life than be a slave to the enemy.
@ginacrusco234
@ginacrusco234 3 месяца назад
...and his wife, as his possession, is destroyed along with him.
@KaneKappel
@KaneKappel 28 дней назад
@@ginacrusco234 The Gauls were actually known (and scorned by the Romans) for having relative gender equality in their society. Women could own property and voice cause for divorce, and in recent years there's been academic conversation that the Gaulish religious order which governed their society, the Druids, might have had both male and female members. Sure, a modern take could be that he's destroying her. But remember that if their enemies took her, she would have been a 'barbarian' slave thrown a the mercy of a society where fathers could legally murder their daughters if they so choose (Rome). Imagine what they might do to the women of their conquered enemies. Given that choice, for all we know she would have asked him to kill her, so she could die free and by the hand of someone who loved her. Also keep in mind that this is sculpture was made by a society which also didn't have a favorable view of women and wives (Ancient Greece). I'm willing to bet if Gaulish hands had created that sculpture, it would have a much different composition and body language present. You didn't specify which culture you were commenting on, but I thought it worth pointing out the distinction on behalf of the Gauls as it's not something that's really discussed.
@ThaneofCawdor69420
@ThaneofCawdor69420 26 дней назад
@@ginacrusco234or possibly he’d rather not allow her to be enslaved by the Romans.
@Pepijnisdebom
@Pepijnisdebom 6 лет назад
incredible to think about the masters that made these sculptures. their technique and skill. This amazes me
@bigdongbazuso4147
@bigdongbazuso4147 6 лет назад
A deep and amazing insight of classical sculture as always
@Dragon-Slay3r
@Dragon-Slay3r Год назад
Well the raid is a classics franchise
@oliwiap2944
@oliwiap2944 3 года назад
thanks so much for this, I literally didn't understand anything on my art lessons
@charlesjoseph7505
@charlesjoseph7505 6 лет назад
I love this- it's the best on the internet this is like Kenneth Clark- you should be viral and need more marketing- SEO stuff.
@Rednospunk
@Rednospunk 6 лет назад
Amazing video as always. Thank you for your work!
@B5istheone
@B5istheone 6 лет назад
Great insights! Keep up the great work and interesting content!
@jojobizadTRASH
@jojobizadTRASH 6 лет назад
Interesting how everything took an abstract turn at the start of the gothic period in Rome.
@mimimi_channel
@mimimi_channel 6 лет назад
love these videos
@joesdi
@joesdi 6 лет назад
Feels like listening to Hypnos and Hecate. 😍
@JimminyJim
@JimminyJim 2 года назад
To think that the Gauls/Celts scared the Romans so much. Vae Victis
@somerandomname3124
@somerandomname3124 6 лет назад
So the Gods are just surrounding him and they do nothing to save him? They just watch instead of doing anything in their power to help, a nice statement in itself.
@AlexandreReis_Contemplo
@AlexandreReis_Contemplo 6 лет назад
There are statements around many of monuments, and human representations derived from ancient antiquities, they believed it around the "Gods and Heroes" addressed to the Greece Cultural Heritage. I love all the dramatic subjects showed up in those statues 👏👏👏 thank you Smarthistory!
@Catubrannos
@Catubrannos 3 года назад
Not really, they're classical gods of the Greeks and Romans, the Gaul was not one of their worshipers.
@borewyrm
@borewyrm 3 года назад
@@Catubrannos Plus the Hellenistic period, did not remove the humanism of classical Greek works. Rather it moved from the idealistic form to the display of emotions. Gods were not the focus.
@YeamanME
@YeamanME Год назад
Hellenistic Baroque...I was not familiar with this term....perfect. One wonders what the other sculptures in this series might have been like...and if a complete story might have told by them.
@Sasha0927
@Sasha0927 Год назад
Now I know what a torc is! Per a search, some of them are quite elaborate and lovely. I might even prefer them to traditional necklaces. As for the Ludovisi Gaul... it is difficult indeed. Seeing them together, I'd think about the different approaches we can have to adversity.
@TheWizardYeof
@TheWizardYeof 3 месяца назад
I wish torcs were more well known! I own two, and I wear one to work and around town every day
@KaneKappel
@KaneKappel 28 дней назад
There's a lot of cheap versions out there, but if you can find a quality artist, they look and feel awesome to wear. My current torc is made out of a pretty thick wire and has a noticeable weight when wear it--it's not uncomfortable, it just feels really sturdy and grounding (Which also makes it less to drift off center from your collarbones). You can definitely see why they would be worn as status symbols in a warrior society.
@KaneKappel
@KaneKappel 28 дней назад
@@TheWizardYeof Right? They're awesome! But a lot of people are curious and ask me about my torc, which gives a good opportunity to share the good word. Who knows, if enough of us weirdos wear them loud and proud, maybe they'll get picked up by more folks some day. I've got two I own as well. One that's more sleek that can just slip under my shirt collar on days I feel like being subtle--and a thick-wired brass one that is kind of hard to ignore, haha. I love the weight of it though, like I mentioned in my above comment, there's a real presence I can feel wearing it, and can totally see why it was worn as a sign of distinguishment.
@blastofo
@blastofo 2 года назад
Was he depicted in the nude to show form like most of the greek sculptures, or because some of the Gaelic tribes fought naked?
@spanishinquisition7623
@spanishinquisition7623 2 года назад
I would think the former, it’s a mildly contentious subject as to whether or not they fought naked, but I think it’s far from unlikely.
@Toastwig
@Toastwig 6 лет назад
Brilliant. Thank you so much for your videos :)
@sporeolegy
@sporeolegy 3 года назад
Why would Romans depict their own enemies (now defeated) in such an artistic and thoughtful way shown as dying somewhat noble deaths ..... a form of respect perhaps, a way we should all view our enemies why put up a great fight ?
@kamion53
@kamion53 3 года назад
it has a greek origin, Celts or Gauls invaded Asia Minor and established kingdoms in Galatia, looting and pillaging surrounding Hellinistic Greek kingdoms, Pergamon being one of the richest. When one of Pergamon's king definatily beat the Galatians ( as these Celts got called) he erected this monument and infused it wth a kind of "Noble Savagery" The Romans would not do that, because to them the Gauls were the ancient threath to early Rome, they were barbaric savages and Italy north of the Arno and Rubicon was not considered proper Italia at all but Gallia this side of the Alpes. The only value a Gaul had to them was as a slave or a gladiator. It was not the noble savage they admired, it was the Greek art. They collected it like the rich collect Rembrands, not because they like it that much, but because "it's a Rembrand"
@sammydasilva6152
@sammydasilva6152 2 года назад
Yes, the Romans showed respect to their Germanic or Celtic enemies.
@sammydasilva6152
@sammydasilva6152 2 года назад
@@kamion53 You are wrong. Romans also showed respect to the Gauls and their warrior culture. The Romans also wrote many flattering things about Hannibal who almost destroyed Rome.
@dake2750
@dake2750 Год назад
@@kamion53 It's so complicated. Where can I find this historical document?
@clement2780
@clement2780 4 года назад
when is a sculpture belong to anthropological or archaeological museum vs an art gallery, like capitoline or altemps vs galleria borghese or doria pamphlij sorry spelling. do you have videos on those, marmottan, gemaeldegalerie alte or neue meister dresden, or green vault? or from capodimonte naples, castello sforzesco milan,
@smarthistory-art-history
@smarthistory-art-history 4 года назад
We have works from some, though not all of those sites. We are starting to organized by location, have a look here: smarthistory.org/locations/
@MH-ms1dg
@MH-ms1dg 2 года назад
it's a good question... you don't often see Greek/Roman sculptures in natural history museums and the galleries for non-Greek/Roman cultures in famous art museums sometimes aren't as dignified as those for classical sculptures but the MET for instance seems pretty fair: only the central hall for classical art is fancy (and iconic), the rest of the rooms are pretty plain. In fact, it's the exhibits for the art of other cultures which are getting the fanciest upgrades.
@robertpenny7180
@robertpenny7180 Год назад
I've always thought the Suicidal Gaul looked more like the Captured Dacians from Trajan's forum in appearance, obviously the Gauls are in a Hellenistic style whereas the Dacians aren't so much.
@zanzibarandgrill6484
@zanzibarandgrill6484 2 года назад
How is it that there is knowledge of an earlier existing Greek bronze? And why would the Greeks have created such a statue when they had no warfare with the Gauls?
@seminsulina5954
@seminsulina5954 Год назад
celtic people existed in anatolia (turkey) and they probably were in war with greeks, celtic is a culture, all celts used a torc around their neck, in anatolia, in britain or in gaul (france) that's why roman used this sculpture to represent the gauls
@ginacrusco234
@ginacrusco234 3 месяца назад
Try as I might, I can't envision a narrative connection between these two works.
@smarthistory-art-history
@smarthistory-art-history 3 месяца назад
It is an interesting, challenging, exercise to try and imagine them in a unified grouping.
@calhares
@calhares 5 лет назад
this channel doesnt have the views its deserve
@annodomini7887
@annodomini7887 5 лет назад
The sword lying beside the Gaul is a 15th century sword, has this been restored? Or is this a 15th century fake?
@smarthistory-art-history
@smarthistory-art-history 5 лет назад
Bases were commonly added to ancient sculpture in the early modern era.
@annodomini7887
@annodomini7887 5 лет назад
I understand, but was the base added to this specific statue? Because the sword is definitely 15th century and I can find nothing about it, as if no one has ever noticed.
@smarthistory-art-history
@smarthistory-art-history 5 лет назад
The sources you'd need to refer to are in monographs and academic journals. I'd start with Jstor. I do seem to remember that the base is an addition.
@annodomini7887
@annodomini7887 5 лет назад
I’ll read up on that, thank you.
@Catubrannos
@Catubrannos 3 года назад
The base was added in the 17th century which means the shield and trumpets are likely not part of the original either. Which makes sense, he's the only one of the Pergamene group that has a torc which marks him out as of higher status than the rest of them.
@mitchellyoung8561
@mitchellyoung8561 3 года назад
It's Larry Bird!
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