The Earliest Creation Myths - Mythillogical Podcast (w/Mythology With Mike) 

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00:00 Intro 1:08 Guest Host: Mythology w/Mike 3:14 Topic 4:03 Sources 7:23 Mesopotamia: An Overview 11:45 Anunnaki (1st Mention) 16:08 Sumerian Mythology: surviving texts 20:06 Formalized Creation Myths 22:50 Sumerian Overview 23:08 Epic of Gilgamesh 25:29 EoG: Tablet #2 33:08 EoG: Text Dissection 40:20 Details; Outlines; Conclusion 41:35 Sheep and Grain; Sisters 45:16 Winter and Summer; Brothers 47:57 Gordon Inerta 51:12 Cain and Abel parallels 52:19 Barton Cylinder 54:41 Birth of the Anunnaki 58:10 The Deluge 1:00:01 Babylon: Overview 1:01:27 Hammurabi's Code 1:04:11 "The Flood" Overview 1:20:44 Babylon Creation Story: Tablet #1 1:31:31 B.C.S.: Tablet #2 1:34:17 B.C.S.: Tablet #3 1:38:31 B.C.S.: Tablet #5 1:38:31 B.C.S.: Tablet #6 1:43:12 Final Wrap Up; What's Next? Hints and clues (It's probably Anansi lol) This is my personal break down; Actual chapters: Charles' Chapter: 7:23 Mike's Chapter: 58:55 Edit to add: I always love it when people do breakdowns like this so I can skip to/around if I'm not watching all at once, I had time to kill so I made notes while watching. Thinking about doing this for every long form video I watch that doesn't already have a non-cape wearing hero in the comments. I appreciate y'all's appreciation! ☺️ 🩶

Thanks again for having me Charles!

Ahhh sick, I'm having a good day today. Doing laundry, dishes and cleaning for my gf and I was getting bored after 10 minutes but now I'll be able to listen to something for the next 2 hours.

YEEEESSS!!! This is becoming one of my most quickly watched podcasts in terms of release to listen. I appreciate the work you put into these.

I just got the alert and I am here for this. I love the Mythillogical podcast and I've been waiting patiently for this.

Thank you for all your efforts to bring this to us.

Many people have pointed out the themes the Cain and Abel story share with the Manu and Yemo sacrifice story (right down to them having a favored youngest brother named Seth). But I've never encountered the Sumerian argument between Sheep and Grain, where Enlil favors grain. I really feel the Cain and Abel story is a synthesis of the Sheep/Grain argument with the Manu/Yemo tropes. So cool

Good to see more Mesopotamia on this channel!

I had Ira Spar as a professor in college! What a fantastic person, and brilliant teacher!

Oh, wonderful! Love breakfast with Charles. Creation myths were definitely some of the most interesting to me growing up, so I'm excited about this one! Safe trip, Crofty!

The incredible long reigns for semi-mythical kings is something typical when a culture shifts from oral to literal. The oral tradition preservs exact dates for only as long as 80 years earlier events still remembered are separated by a tradition gap and then remembered as mythical easier to memorize figures / tropes.

Great stuff as always and well done to Mike for filling those shoes and taking on a fascinating but complex subject. Already looking forward to the next one.

Wonderful video as always. I love just laying back and listening to you talk about various history and myths. I've learned a lot I never knew and you're pleasant and fun to listen to. Was nice nice to see someone else too, I did not know of Mike's channel so I'll have to go check their videos

RE flood myth..... I'd never really given any thought to the ever changing and natural processes of a river. The consistent giving and taking of land. Your mentioning of this coupled with my life along the Mississippi River struck a note. Many a city (and most likely past civilization) surrendered to the Mississippi or had been left far, far away from. Sometimes nibbling, sometimes rapid and dramatic. Much enjoying the long format content.

I am currently a GVSU undergrad (soon to be grad), so imagine my surprise when I heard my university’s name in your podcast! Cheers from Michigan!

Well, that's TV sorted for tonight. Thank you very much!

Finally got to this, I'm a geek for anything antiquity. Thank you for your time and effort, I appreciate it !

Thank you for another amazing video

back when i was studying for my ba in history, i kept thinking about the origin of all the known creation stories throughout human history. leaving out the nutty theories, i couldn't help but think, where was the influence or origin of these stories.

Mike did a great job! I think it's fascinating how similar events, characters, motifs, and ideas appeared in ancient mythologies all over Eurasia throughout history.

Yay! Another great video, thanks!

Yaaayyyy!!!! So happy for this!! Did couple papers with this as my focus so I'm STOKED YO!!!

Extraordinary and very well done video here. Bravo for the hard work and it’s fruity endeavor. Thank You 😊

y’all made my night with this upload yeehaw

Ah! Bigfoot part 3: Mesopotamian Squatchin'

So lovely hearing this discussed

I love Mythology with Mike! That's one of my favorite channels. I (sadly) admit, I've never seen this channel before. This sounds like a perfect interview to listen to whole I do chores! 💜 18:00 If someone today were to write a colloquial article about presently prominent politicians, you wouldn't elaborate on the origins of democracy. It's a given that everyone would have a basic idea how government has developed in America. So, I completely concur with Mike.

CHAPTERS, CHAPTERS, CHAPTERS!!! Chapter markers, PLEASE!

Tolkein was also inspired by the Elder Edda. Plus these are all common creation tropes found in all creation stories.

amazing video, thank u so much

Another incredible video

I just love the topics you chose to cover. Never regretted subscribing to this channel

Congrats on 420k subs!

Love your videos! May I ask what editing software you use? :)

Fascinating! I am guessing that the next episode will be about Anansi, right?

awesome content here!

There is a really interesting and in my opinion plausible theory that the Hanging Gardens of Babylon were actually located at Nineveh. If you are looking for them there there seems to be a somewhat decent amount of evidence for them existing.

can you do a mythological talking about the parts that the Bible just rewrites older myths?

Awesome video!

Will save this video for my bedtime story tonight ❤

Love your stuff! xoxox

The passage beginning with "In those days, in those distant days...." sounds like song lyrics which would sound better in the original language. Having large and small stones thrown at a boat could describe a volcanic eruption, which would seem to the geologically naive to be a battle between the gods.

Awesome listen

Amazing !

It's amazing that Mesopotamian religion still influences popular religious though five or maybe six thousand years on with the concepts of Heaven being "up there" and Hell being "down there".

I feel like sheep v grain sounded more like cain & abel than winter & summer. Thanks for this video it’s great!

Always enjoy your show! FYI. Babylon was often code for the Empire of Rome by both Jews and Christians as it would be dangerous to mention them directly. So Babylon was not viewed negatively, it was referring to the oppressing power of the day. In fact, the rabbis of Babylon were held in high esteem and the Babylonian Talmud is the major text of Jewish Law studied to this day. The Jerusalem Talmud is pretty much the realm of scholars.

Mike was such an awesome addition to the podcast, very well made and done as always. Thank you for all the great content

Thank you

Love your videos! What is the music at the beginning?

I've never been so excited for the next episode!. If it's who I think It is then I will be a happy camper. 😳😳😳😳

You missed All the Nag Hammadi creation myths. Very interesting and worth looking into.

I cannot wait to get settled down with my takeaway and four pack to this one after the day ive had

The reason why the stories don't talk about early creation is because the stories are designed to document the Annunaki role in creation particularly. They create the earth persay. They reshaped it.

Thank you.

The creation myths of Mesoamerica are vague and seem to have another back story that is not included... some suggests this is in part because there was a previous oral tradition that was just common knowledge to the people of the time and basically not worth writing down because the narrative was well known.

Starting with the big bang no doubt

I thought Tiamat was only a dragon in dnd and like Final Fantasy

I enjoy listening to your microphone's perfect sound, and any others of lesser quality are very noticeable. Please consider that!

You tease yourself and call yourself RU-vidrs but this is one of the best explanations I've heard thanks for your time 👍👏

"The gods got tired of working and unionized" 🤣

1:37:00 well there are the Uruk-hai in tolkiens world. It would be quite the coincidence if that wasn't related to the mesopotamian city of Uruk.

will be missing crofty this time tho! but excited for the guest host

Huh, I wonder if the grain vs sheep tale is basically them telling the story of how farming took over from a hunter gatherer lifestyle

You guys should check out the works of Randall Carlson if you haven’t already …. He has documented evidence of mass floods and points towards possible causes . Really enjoying this bed time story 👀😂🙌 thank you for this content ✌️💚☯️

Just watched this video today, but I'm in Japan, so giving him a wave!

Are your videos in podcast form anywhere?

is the new video going to be about Exu?

1:07:19 The first, seventh, and fifteenth of each month? Aren't those the exact same days in each month the Romans used to mark when something happen?

love this channel for the objectivity... no woowoo or quackery. Subbed for life

It almost sounds like some of these early creation stories are not really creation stories at all. If you just substitute the word god for the name of a specific ruling family, all these stories make a suprising amount of sense. That add on to the epic of gilgamesh sounds a heck of a lot like a battle. I am assuming that most of these early cities were located on a river then descriptors like "underworld", "earth", and "heavans" make a lot of sense. A river would have been the main source of life for these early civilizations and so it make sense to think of the diffrence between city-states in relation to thier position on the river. Rivers flow down so cities dependant on a river would necessarily have to be at diffrent elevations and so a city on the highground could be refered as "the heavans", the middle could be "the earth" and the low point would be the underworld. Furthermore I know for example, that in Biblical hebrew the word for "heavans" and the word for "sky" are the samd thing so it would make sense to refer to a city above yours as a city above you. The big storm and the little ones seems to refer to diffrent sized armies and "stones of the hand" would likely refer to infantry while "those that made the reeds dance" would refer to wind or an arial attack (ie peltas or some equivalent). In fact I would surmise that most of these dynasties are named after the cities founder and that succusive dynastic leaders are refered to by the samr name because they are referanced only by their surname. (Kinda like how thr Austrian empire is commonly refered to as the Hapsburg empire and the emperor is often refered to as thr Hapsburg king). That would also explain why a lot of the creation myths don't actually describe the creation of the whole world but only elements of it.

Ham from bible was thrown out of the camp by Noah and he had one creation story of demons good and Noah worshipped God and therefore there was 2 creation stories!!Then basically ancester worship and demo demonic worship!Great podcast!

this needs jazzing up. it makes me sleepy.

Seems like the story of Cain and Abel is a condensed version of these this vs that stories. lol I wrote that seconds before Mike brought it up!

Already listened on spotify, when the podcast version was released, but I'm looking forward to listen/watch again here on youtube!

Ohhhhh snap!

You and study of antiquity and Middle Ages should collaborate

I am really putting shade on this transaction, it needs working on (at the King, the water at the bow of the boat) ? I would say keal not king and would it not be stern not stem, which would make more sense to the flow... There are missing parts or words that don't belong... What ever the case it leaves me with a lot of questions of its meaning.

you're beholden to the modern era / christian creation, which goes to the level of a start of universe. since these early religions gods were most importantly noted for introducing order in the world, chaos is equivalent in explanatory power for those people

I like that back then the gods had to find loop holes for there shenanigans

Tolkien was probably inspired by St. George fighting the dragon which has (in my opinion) obvious parallels with Marduk and Tiamat and also Zeus vs. Typhon.

Wait a minute Marduk's fight sounds A LOT like Gilgamesh's fight against Humbaba what's going on here ?

My favourite.

The second more ancient cuneiform script actually reminds me of the biblical story Cain and Abel... there must have rose a land dispute between the early farmers and animal herders over whose occupation was more essential; whereas these two groups rose up against one another and fought.. There must have been only so much usable land at thar time in those areas.. something like this happened in the 1800s in the western plains of America, where it also came to bloodshed among some individuals... I think that they more than likely wove it into a story attributing it to each group's Gods.. it is the story of Cain and Abel

You didn't read/use any of Dr. Irving Finkel's works? :'( But awesome episode nonetheless~!

HEY! ive read most ov these books!

19:50 -- it's called an abstract.

I like the apocalypse and we sure need one right about now

20 minutes in and we are still getting caveats

I disagree that the "flood story" is limited to the Euphrates and consisted of small crop flooding as the narrator stated. Several historically documented civilizations have a flood story much greater in reach than they state as just regionally.

I've read or head the absu is where Enki lived. Which after him looking like dagon, after the flood, also I feel like if not enki and en lil as quatzecoatl. And quatziliapeechah gets him drunk so he can't marry a princess and gets banished etc. tbh I feel enki was vericocha, and maybe lived at bottom of lake Titicaca. If there was a global civilization it looks like the grains etc came from Mesopotamia. And quetzel, and quetzel soundmore like ninurya and nerghaal. I saw a thing where a guy lived under water for idk 480 days, said he barely aged cuz no sun or gravity messing with him.. idk. But if we find a lot of like Sumeria in like Titicaca. Idk .. also I thought the dilmun mean south America, at first I thought it was Africa the mining place but I think that had a different name instead. But idk I'm just saying ❤❤😊

interesting title Mythillogical, my eyes played a word trick and saw myth till logical. Why should a myth be deemed illogical, just because we have not made sense of it?

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Ancient Mesopotamia(Iraq)❤️

Ooh, Anansi?

Ishtar Rockstar!

So did the Sumerians chop-off heads and suchlike, or were they the civilised people like we are told?

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