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The Edmund Fitzgerald’s Sister Ship 

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A brief history on the sister ship of the Edmund Fitzgerald. My apologies for any mispronunciation in the video.
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@tuxedotservo
@tuxedotservo 2 года назад
I hear that a lot - that the Homer was slightly longer than Fitzgerald - but Fitzgerald was considered the Queen of the Lakes (longest ship) until 1971. Usually, if a there are a number of ships of the same length, the first gets the "Queen" title, though it is an unofficial title. The 1000-foot ships had been around starting in 1971 with the launch of the Stewart J. Cort, the ship that took the Queen title from the Fitzgerald. What I think doomed the Homer is that she was lengthened, which limited what ports/docking facilities she could access, at a time where the decline in the steel industry made versatility a must. Even the 858-foot Roger Blough was laid up in the mid-80's for a time. There is an article on the web which highlights the record number of ships scrapped in 85/86 due to the downturn. Always nice to see the Homer gets some love - she certainly was overshadowed by her sister, even before the Fitzgerald was lost.
@HahnJames
@HahnJames 2 года назад
Good job, Connor. I learned something new, today. I didn't know that the Edmund Fitzgerald had a sister ship. This was a concise video laid out in a logical manner. Thanks! You don't need to apologize for not posting for some time. Sometimes, life just jams you up even when you're a teenager ...or especially when you're a teenager.
@ConnorTenold
@ConnorTenold Год назад
Glad you enjoyed it!
@Mandcfrey
@Mandcfrey 2 года назад
My grandfather, Jere Sullivan was her first Captain. We grew up hearing stories about her. Thank you for the film.
@ConnorTenold
@ConnorTenold Год назад
Wow that's cool!
@ripperace
@ripperace 2 года назад
Another rumor is that the Homer was laid up in 1980 after the Fitz sank BECAUSE they were the same design, and built the same way. There were also rumors of a loose keel on both ships, and people didn’t want a repeat from five years earlier when the Fitz sank. All rumors, or course. Nothing substantiated. But thought I’d throw the rumors out there for others to ponder.
@freightersonthegreatlakes995
@freightersonthegreatlakes995 2 года назад
Why would they lay her up after 5 years instead of immediately🤔
@ripperace
@ripperace 2 года назад
@@freightersonthegreatlakes995, money….. That could be my only guess. Bethlehem Steel, the owner of the Homer, was most likely feeling the pinch of the 80’s downturn in steel prices too. Who knows? It depends on what you read, I guess.
@WillieWonka928D
@WillieWonka928D Год назад
Also in 1978 the chairman of the NTSB (which had been investigating the Fitzgerald's sinking) was denied permission to travel on the Homer by Bethlehem Steel without any reasoning. While the main reason for her scrapping is certainly the economic downturn, that denial certainly raises some questions in my book.
@ryanthompson2893
@ryanthompson2893 4 месяца назад
A loose keel is a fairly easy fix, bad Steel on the other hand isn’t
@ripperace
@ripperace 4 месяца назад
@@ryanthompson2893, the steel wasn’t “bad” per se. Ships which sank that were constructed at the turn of the century, on the other hand, had brittle steel. When it got colder, it was an especially big issue. By the time the Fitz and the Homer were constructed, brittle steel was a thing of the past. In fact, the Herbert C Jackson is a perfect example of one built around the same time which is still in service to this day. Hull number of the Herbie is two numbers after the Fitz, which means it’s the closest thing to the Fitz and Homer. I believe Fitz was 301, the Homer 302, and the Jackson being 303z
@ConnorTenold
@ConnorTenold 2 года назад
When I said the St. Clair was the longest ship to be scrapped at Port Colborne I meant to say it was the widest. My apologies….
@hlh1221
@hlh1221 Год назад
So homers still the longest if st clair was the widest?
@ConnorTenold
@ConnorTenold Год назад
@@hlh1221 Yes
@staberdearth3130
@staberdearth3130 4 месяца назад
I, along with a friend, worked the summer of 1976 as student engineers at The Tilden mineral processing plant in Ishpeming, MI. We were both in Marquette, MI and had a crew member of the Homer invited us aboard after we had met him at a nearby bar. It was moored waiting to be loaded with taconite pellets from The Cleveland-Cliffs Tilden Mine. The Edmund Fitzgerald disaster was a prominent news item the whole summer of 1976, even more so after Gordon Lightfoot’s epic song, The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald which was played endlessly on local radio stations.
@kendralogan8446
@kendralogan8446 2 года назад
Love your passion for these ships
@Martmns
@Martmns 2 года назад
I saw the Homer shortly after it arrived at Port Colborne a few weeks before scrapping began. The ship was completely intact and looked really good and I wondered why it was being scrapped.
@ConnorTenold
@ConnorTenold 2 года назад
I think they were worried that there was a flaw in the Fitzgerald’s design, which implied that the Homer would have the same problem, so they didn’t want to take any chances with the Homer. Personally I don’t think that anything was wrong with the design of the Fitz or the Homer and I’m not superstitious, so I don’t believe that any deaths while building the Fitz had an impact on it.
@jacktfowler246
@jacktfowler246 Год назад
Apparently the Homer had the same tendency to "wiggle " or "vibrate " in rough seas like the Fitz. Both suffered the same design flaw as they were designed from the subassembed sections (new at the time]. The Homer was slightly longer then the Fitz, but she never set the same records as the Fitz. Homer had been lengthened just before her scrapping, but went into long term lay up. The coast guard had requested to go along on a trip on the Homer but were denied by the owners, that tells it all right there. They could have proven more about the Fitz.
@justinolsen9284
@justinolsen9284 Год назад
The steel recession of the time doomed the Homer and many others in the US fleet
@WayneKeen
@WayneKeen Год назад
@@jacktfowler246 I found myself wondering whether anyone was.....looking for anything structuraally unusual during the scrapping process, but another part of me answered that there was no incentive to do any kind of detective work at that point, and probably significant dis-incentives...
@jacktfowler246
@jacktfowler246 Год назад
@@WayneKeen the big thing that made homer and Fitz unique, was they were a two of build in subassemblys. They were tack welded as opposed to the other Lakers which were riveted. They bent and were far more tender then the usual laker design. Fitz was overloaded for too long and it ultimately contributed to her loss. Also Fitz's final years under McSorely took a tole on her, he was known to be very hard on boats
@rottenroads1982
@rottenroads1982 7 месяцев назад
Two Ships, Two different Fates. The Arthur B. Homer was scraped, and The Edmund Fitzgerald sank with all Hands.
@desertdog3392
@desertdog3392 20 часов назад
Thank you for this, everybody always quotes the Anderson as being the sister ship but it's not. My dad worked on the Colby??? summer of 57 and used to think it was a sister to the Fitz but all freighters from that era look alike, but not neccesarily sisters.
@HoshizakiYoshimasa
@HoshizakiYoshimasa 2 года назад
Millions of dollars spent on her legethening just to be scrapped a few years later..... ether Homer did have some hull flaws as rumored by the shipyard workers and the shipping industry wanted to avoid paying Fitzgerald's families money OR great lakes shipping industry is incredibly wasteful and foolish. Both are probably true. Fitzgerald's last surviving leading engineer said Fitz and Homer weren't designed to be carrying the amount of cargo that they were in the 70's. Put added stress on the keel especiallyin bad weather... former Fitzgerald crew Richard Orgel's and Red Berger's testimony to the coast guard also put Fitzgerald's hull into question too.
@ConnorTenold
@ConnorTenold Год назад
Yeah they didn't want to take any chances but you have to wonder what other reasons were involved in the scrapping.
@wyomingadventures
@wyomingadventures 2 года назад
Excellent video Connor! You always have great information about ships.
@elijahbey3366
@elijahbey3366 2 года назад
It would have been genius to turn the Homer into an Edmund Fitzgerald museum ship.
@ConnorTenold
@ConnorTenold Год назад
That is exactly what I have been thinking too! Great minds think alike!
@josephmelendez8370
@josephmelendez8370 Год назад
Unfortunately if it was true that the Homer had the same flaws as the Fitzgerald did, then they likely didn't want to leave it around as a museum where those flaws could potentially be put on full display for those who knew where to look.
@jsallscales7856
@jsallscales7856 Год назад
I particularly love the photo used for the thumbnail and on screen around the 20 second mark, with who I presume to be the captain, leaning out of his window in the pilothouse. Just gives a good sense of scale of how massive these boats are. I have a few photos of myself and my girlfriend stood next to the William G. Mather in Cleveland, even with those photos it’s tough to understand the true size of these boats. I can only imagine how imposing the 1,000 footers are. The Walter J. McCarthy Jr. was in Cleveland while I was there but I wasn’t able to go see her where she was docked.
@phillipgarrow2297
@phillipgarrow2297 2 года назад
There's a little more to the story about that ship it had some of the quirks the fitzgerald had it shook in bad seas they kind of blamed it on no wheat to ship which they never shipped the coastguard wanted to go on a run with it the owners declined the request blamed downturn of iron ore and wheat shipments and it never sailed again
@dansweet6793
@dansweet6793 Год назад
She was a beautiful ship so sad to see her go to waste
@algojeff
@algojeff 2 года назад
Connor, you’re such an interesting lad! Keep up the flame, mate!
@ConnorTenold
@ConnorTenold Год назад
Thanks!
@kentotten7217
@kentotten7217 2 года назад
Thanks for the information Connor. I never knew this.
@ConnorTenold
@ConnorTenold Год назад
You bet!
@fishtug2420
@fishtug2420 2 года назад
St clair is the widest ship to be scrapped on the lakes, not the longest. Arthur B Homer still holds the record
@shanehart7391
@shanehart7391 2 года назад
Thanks for the this video. I thought I read once years back there was a sister ship but when I tried to look it up again couldn’t find it. Too bad it is scrapped 😕
@ConnorTenold
@ConnorTenold 2 года назад
Thanks for watching! I thought it would have been a cool idea if they made the Homer into a museum ship to honor the Fitzgerald since they were so similar in design.
@jctwohig
@jctwohig Год назад
I grew up in Erie Pa and remember Homer in the bay. My brother and the neighbor kids would climb on the anchor chains!! 😂 That was in the mid 80’s.
@freightersonthegreatlakes995
@freightersonthegreatlakes995 2 года назад
Thank you for being smart I’m tired of the people that are like oh the Arthur m Anderson is the sister of the fitz but nope it’s the Arthur b homer thank you man
@ConnorTenold
@ConnorTenold Год назад
I have had to tell people that the Arthur M. Anderson was not the Edmund Fitzgeralds sister ship a million times so I'm glad someone understands the frustration. But also they don't look alike so I don't know how people come to that conclusion in the first place.
@Samuel-zl7yw
@Samuel-zl7yw Год назад
@@ConnorTenold I’m not experienced in Great Lakes ships, so I would say they look pretty similar. They’re both designed with the same jobs in mind. They are about the same size in draft, give or take on the length
@freightersonthegreatlakes995
@freightersonthegreatlakes995 10 месяцев назад
@@Samuel-zl7ywthe AMA is a completely different type of class of laker and have some dead give always because of there pilothouse design and in modern time the AMA having a self unloader boom
@coolenergygamingvlogs36
@coolenergygamingvlogs36 2 года назад
Niclely well done mate and thank for tell the Edmund Fitzgerald had a sister ship name home b
@jefflevoir6127
@jefflevoir6127 Год назад
Well done. Thanks. 👍
@donbrashsux
@donbrashsux 2 года назад
Do you do the Yamato channel..your voice sounds the same
@Jaymindrew1990
@Jaymindrew1990 Год назад
Had they made a movie about the Fitz between 1976 and 1980, very clearly the Homer would have played her I’ll-fated sister.
@felixle5761
@felixle5761 4 месяца назад
Is it always the unknown sister ship that has a better story
@themanformerlyknownascomme777
shame she was scrapped. Also a shame that there doesn't seem to be a picture of the two sisters together.
@BlackKnight-th8ml
@BlackKnight-th8ml 4 месяца назад
Why always the greatest ship sisters are destined to be scrapped
@cruzin8056
@cruzin8056 2 года назад
th Homer is the longest ship ever to be scrapped on the Great lakes, but the St.Clair is the widest
@Bald_Cat2007
@Bald_Cat2007 2 года назад
Fun Fact: when the Homer was launched she was 1 foot longer than the fitz
@ConnorTenold
@ConnorTenold Год назад
I know such a small difference but an interesting one nonetheless.
@RomeroTV
@RomeroTV 2 года назад
Had no idea she had a sister
@theRealBrandonRoberts1990
@theRealBrandonRoberts1990 2 года назад
She did?
@johnhurd6243
@johnhurd6243 2 года назад
Conor, you are still saying fixgerald
@9TDF
@9TDF Год назад
Homer should have been preserved being Fitzgerald’s Sister.
@ConnorTenold
@ConnorTenold Год назад
Would have been cool for the Homer to be a marine museum.
@johnnersinger9771
@johnnersinger9771 Год назад
What a waste
@kitbishop6799
@kitbishop6799 Год назад
I love how much people put effort in to teh Great Lake ships
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