The Embarrassing History of Thundercats Roar 

Yes, it's like forgetting who the audience was for Velma. Pitch Meeting examined this question. Apparently, Velma's audience was the writers and producers, and no one else was considered important, since they dissed on the original Scooby Doo. This was similar. And ugly animation, IMO.

I think the creator was getting retroactive revenge on his brothers.

I might be the only person that loves all three. I didn't think I'd like Roar, especially after the cringe interviews from creators, but I found it funny and thought it used the lore well - BUT I know I'm in the extreme minority.

@@ta0paipai You are not alone. There are dozens of us.

2011 reboot was amazing. I love how they expanded the backstory *significantly* even if it differed from the original. Roar simply wasn't gonna happen with me; modern reboots had already left a bad taste in my mouth and Roar was a bitter pill.

Such a grown up response. How refreshing.

Look at you being all reasonable and mature and adult like

Great point!

There isn’t really. We’ve been recycling stories since the dawn of humanity.

@@doggowar False equivalency

You can thank the fans for that. They endlessly pine for new installments and whine about how new stuff sucks and nothing is ever as good as what they liked as kids. Corps decide to capitalize on that. It's an endless cycle.

​@@JaguarsclawDo you know what that term means? Lol

@@user-vi4xy1jw7e Ask yourself that question, the retelling of, for example, the heroes journey. Has nothing to do with why companies are recycling IPs and failing which as the comment above stated we’ve been doing it since the beginning of time.

I know ThunderCats Roar Sucked bad the first time it premiered.😡😡

There was, and while there's definetly a fair number of people who, liking the series and/or any version in specific or not, just wanted the artists to have their fair due, other people with some more of an industry presence did the equivalent of the "saved the city" bit from spongebob, but on a much higher scale. Case in point there's the TTGO episode which was the equivalent of trying to stop a fire by throwing an entire oil platform at it. Frankly the only people that seemed to have the right idea were the creators of it themselves, who tried to keep chill and wait until the whole thing blew over.

I actually think is one of Larry Fink's ESG, crowning achievements: Destruction, Humiliation, Soul crushing, Annihilation of a beloved, seen as macho, property from the 80s when there were too many, for Larry's taste, macho properties.

It really says something when a show is so completely hated and rejected by the audience that the company who made/owns it just buries it completely.

@@JohnDoe-wq5euWhich is really too bad, because I went in planning to hate it and was completely hooked. Loved the original, loved the 2011 reboot. Art style aside, this one is really similar to the original down to using many of the same musical cues. Only people who were fans of the original could've made this one.

Now was Roar like that Loonatics show? No idea it didn't look like my thing so I moved on. If it was? Well it got what it deserved and hopefully they learned from it. But as nobody learns anything especially not the business and entertainment sector? Well there we go. If it was good and died? Oh well it happens. From reading comments here it was more in that Loonatics level of THIS IS NOT WHAT ANYONE WANTS AND ISN'T EVEN GOOD region as opposed to the 2010s show which was great.

How toXiC of you!

I doubt the art Helped, going by the clips, even if you had nothing against the broader style, it was a particularly bad example.

Probably the best thing they could do for Thundercats is just bring back the previous one that was cut short.

Or have someone animated it to look like it was back in 85 but with improvements

I mean the art also sucked colossal ass.

Preach to the choir! There are dozens of us!

@@maxxcreese9911 Sadly, maybe even a whole Score. >.>

It really was

They had the third season all planned out, too. I really wanted to see the episode where we learn the reason why there's bad blood between the Lizardmen and the Thunderians (the reason - Claudus wanted to expand his kingdom, so sent his forces to claim nearby lands - which included the Lizardmen's. Whether they were aware of it or not, the Thunderians destroyed the Lizardmens rookery - which Slythe personally witnessed as LynxO (who led that charge) called out 'No hard feelings!/Nothing personal!' as they tore through those lands. The episode ends with Slythe finding LynxO and saying that exact same line before killing LynxO. An episode where the viewers would not only sympathize/understand where the villain was coming from, but that the supposed good guys were not as innocent as they were led to believe. The fans were seriously robbed of such a brilliant piece of story telling/lore.

it was great!

It wasn’t that show that did it. It was the Teen Titans Go crossover with Roar that did it. TTGo always makes fun of fans and other shows. The actual Roar show has safer, blander humor.

I don't know what they had against the Thundercat (Panthro) who was voiced by an African American voice actor named Earle Hyman. They not only killed the original 80s version of the character as a macab " joke" but also showed off his bones on the ground as a way to rub salt in the wounds of their "Haters". I'm not even that big of a fan, and found that kinda distasteful especially since the original voice actor seemed to be a decent guy, and had recently passed away in 2017. They don't talk about those low blows in this video tho. Really makes you think . . . . 🤔🤔

@@TheLostWorldFanChann I think you're looking *way* too deep into this man.

You hit the nail on the head.

I mean, I didn't take it that way but then again I'm not a thin skinned loser getting mad at cartoons on the internet.

​@@ImpalerVladTepesWe found Dan alt account.

100% They knew the fans, the people that grew up with the show, were steamed at this goofball take on Thunder Cats and doubled down with an episode attacking audience? Yeah, that always works out!

Ghostbusters 2016?

​@@hellacoorinna9995 Yeah! That was on the same level.

Classic WB bullshit.

Please tell me where the creators/IP holders were mocking fans without bringing up the TTG episode that they didn't work on

Jem And The Holograms 2015?

Ye gotta admit this definitely was somewhat revenge driven but I can understand why

​@@tino9117fans did something to him?

Sounds like someone got trigger by the video 😂

@@MrMeeples Yes, Dan did lol

@@alexkuieck6705 LoL, that doesn't even make any sense 😆 Have fun coping, little troll.

Arguably, that's the worst fate for a franchise: folks not caring about it *at ALL.*

same. i feel bad for the fans that hated this as i have been there with Voltron, Death Note, and Cowboy Bebop

Agreed

To be fair, this comment section presents a pretty compelling case for the internet drama being the lede in this story

I agree with that

Agreed

@@pickyyeeter Does it? No, really asking. I've been reading through at least some of the comments, and no one is going all "toxic fan" on Dan. Doesn't mean they're not there, but they're not all that prominent. I'm *still* trying to work out if Dan has reach "epic" levels of trollery or if he became what he hates with this video... and even if it is the latter, that isn't a huge problem. S'one video.

Totally normal reaction by a sane person right here.

@@contempocomics Wow, such a well thought out and fundamented response. Make sure you rest after this, so you won't faint from the effort

@@contempocomics Where were they wrong, though?

@@madamefluffy4788 Literally the 1st sentence.

I hope Dan doesn’t continue down this path. He’ll wind up a bitter man in a basement like Retroblasting.

@@davidanderson4748 Sort of thing was the reson why i stopped watching retroblasting, even when I agreed with their overall point.

​@@bobdude7111I quit when he got into a spat with another toy channel that was from a guy who had been in the industry. Like his dorky raging on parts of Robotech or Neca? Sad but people have their own opinions. Not wanting to cover any toy line he hadn't 100% completed? Kinda dumb in both a financial and THIS IS AN INTERNET VIDEO ABOUT OLD TOYS sense. His debate with that guy? Yeah Rblastin came off as a sulky entitled douche canoe. One who apparently has a very well paying job (hopefully) to buy lots of expensive needless stuff.

lol no

@@CaptainRufus Michael French is notoriously thin-skinned and while some of his early content was good, he started a lot of feuds with other channels. When he talks to the camera he drove me up a wall. I don't think Dan Larson is gonna go that path Dan has seen more episodes of Thundercats than I have, and I was a kid when the show was on. I have no nostalgia for it.

I'm sure Velma is a masterpiece.

It is NOT like Velma, get that take outta here

@@tino9117 It is just like Velma, an ugly disgrace to the source material that was made solely for the self satisfaction of the creator.

@@conduit64 in fairness the creator of Velma wanted to make an original IP it was WB that made her put a known IP skin on it

​@@tino9117did you work on this show?

Did you?

Honestly not enough dislikes for how much an ass he was in this video.

And he had to stretch it out by putting in clips relating to the Cats broadway play!

Insidious.

The show runner has an older brother who was the right age to be the target demographic. The best theory I've heard is this was a deliberate attempt to ruin something his older brother loved. Which is why it oozes spite.

Yes shame on Dan, Thundercats Roar is Hilarious 😆

@@KellymatthewBarnes why you gotta lie like that

I don't need Dan or the channel to share my opinion, and I don't need to be insulted by them either.

We're also willfully ignoring how those producing these halfbaked shows treat legacy fans, forgetting those fans are the ones with kids they're attempting to target.

@@DocXango my point exactly

@@DocXango I've been having a similar feeling lately, like whoever is writing the titles of episodes is really doing a disservice; they've been really negative lately and making me not want to watch the episodes as I enjoyed the shows they were about and don't want to watch something called "the disappointment of [title]"

John K.'s style is blatantly ripped off into corporate ownership in the form of Spongebob, replicating Ren and Stimpy as Squidward and Spongebob pretty blatantly, it's tyhe exact same thins as Miracle Star is to Amazing world of Gumball and John K. has every right to be resentful. This style IS visionary, and the "cal arts" style is broadly speaking stealing ONLY from John K. and Adventure Time. They are objectively NOT visionary, but derivative like Hayao Miyazaki would loathe. USA always does this China-style reappropriation, even Thundercats comes to mind because "anime" as such is a word that couldn't exist in Japan, since "cartoon" already equals "アニメ". What the word "Anime is FOR, is to whitewash all the "anime"" influence from shows like Thundercats and TMNT, despite produced by Toei's anime animators. Rebrand it, like cattle, under this broad US property of "non-anime" that gets compete with NORMAL cartoons. SPECIAL cartoons like "anime" go to reservations and weird time slots, branded as sexual and violent, more than teaching children to be mercenaries like The Avengers. And it goes deeper. "Normal" Americans distinguish even themselves from the 700 000 000 residents of the American continent, which is BIZARRE if you think so in any othe place, like Africa would have "Africans" and "native Africans". And you give this esteem to George Lucas and Tarantino, who copypaste styles of interantional auteurs like Sergio Leone and Akira Kurosawa. Batman throws his little Batarangs and not Shuriken, and instead of criticising Spanish imperialism, Bruce Wayne works more like, hmm, a little bit like Lavender AI of the Israeli government: with magical ability to DIRECT "righteous" justice, in the mind of the inquisitor and all the little recruits to US militaries before they're old enough to drink. CHILD SOLDIERS, that is, turtle defense of the splinter factions. So yeah, pretty toxic topic.

Lego Chema

I wouldn’t say amazing, but it was good. For me, the 80’s Thundercats is the best of the three officially produced TV shows. I own DVD/Blu rays of the 80’s Thundercats and the 2011 Thundercats. I would like to own a physical copy of Thundercats Roar even though the couple of episodes I watched did absolutely nothing for me, it is now (unfortunately) a part of the Thundercats legacy.

It was so dope

It really was. One of the few times that a remake was better than the original.

If, IF, you are truly modern audience, you want depressing anime coloring, not vibrant lowest of the low, effort dog💩. This is the reason the 2011 show failed, new audiences that liked it were not enough. What true og fans wanted is/was the OG show in pristine 1080p transfer and a continuation from the og people that may still be around if they have stuff in their mind, with the same character designs, muscles, shadows, detailed drawings of explosions, that stuff.

​@@Jucelegario I mean the problem was the 2011 version was hella expensive. So what did they do they turned around and did roar instead and it was the exact opposite problem it was an insanely cheap-looking show that pissed off everyone besides the fans of that art style (of which there are few or at least far fewer than most people claim) but even those people didn't want thundercats in that style. The most recent one was literally a product looking for a market. A continuation of the original thundercats or at least the 2011 would have been much more well received.

@@JohnDoe-wq5eu the 2011 version's main problem was the depressing color grading and is ridiculous to me that standardized, software corrected, digital drawings, are more expensive than back in the day, hand drawn cells. One have to be either too $tuxxd or too evil to green lit something like the Cal Arts dog💩 and I believe is the later.

Mind you there was no audience for the 2011 reboot, that's why it got cancelled, nobody was watching.

@@JohnDoe-wq5eu The other thing was no one was really buying the toys that were released to coincide with the 2011 series.

Exactly

As if you can just decide that

@@tino9117 I just did. I've actually watched Roar. It's insultingly bad.

@@tino9117 yes they can. That’s how opinions work…

I don't think he's so much trying to defend this forgettable show as he is showing his disdain for his audience. His audience mainly composing of Nostalgic "Fans" of shows from the 80s and 90s. You know his main demographic. His bread and butter. Is he trying to catch the attention of a much bigger fish that is not only much higher up the corporate ladder, but also shares the sentiments in this video? Who knows?

Japan has a better sense of humor with this kind of s show. SD Gundam has been around since the damn 80's.

@@JeffreyPiatt The thing about SD Gundam is that they still made regular gundam with it.

​@JeffreyPiatt I got to say that is a horrible comparison. SD was never meant to overtake the normal Gundam stuff. SD was a comedic show meant for a younger audience. While still continuing the dark 'war is hell' Gundam stories. I feel this is an bad faith argument here. We didn't have a comedic and more serious shows going side by side here. We had a 'Well if u don't like it too bad ur not a real fan!' Thing happen.

This paragraph could be used on EVERY new remake

Here's the thing. 80's Thundercats, is absolutely stupid. I grew up with it as a kid, and I watched it and liked it then, but it was ridiculous back then and even kid me knew that, but I didn't mind. 00/10s Thundercats was a gritty reboot with a stronger focus on storytelling than episodic nonsense. It only bears the vaguest resemblance to 80s Thundercats. I liked it. It was good. I watched it as an adult. Thundercats Roar was not for me. Much like Teen Titans Go, is not for me. Thundercats Roar was for a new generation, the same one that adored Teen Titans Go. Much the same way not every TMNT reboot is good, or the fact that I hate the Transformers movies. It doesn't mean that it's the wrong way to go with the franchise, it just means it's not for me. And not every reboot has to be for me. If I don't like it, I don't watch it, and allow the people who do enjoy it to have that. Maybe the next reboot will be for me, maybe it won't. But just because I like it a certain way doesn't mean it always has to be presented in that way. Drawing back in the old fans is nice, but getting new fans is better. Your childhood isn't ruined is any way by new versions of a franchise. Those shows still exist. You can go back and watch them anytime. If they aren't on streaming services they're probably available on Blu-Ray or DVD, or RU-vid. It's highly likely they exist somewhere on the internet. Go re-watch them, bathe in your nostalgia, and leave the reboots alone. New viewers will decide if they like them or not and the brand will continue to perpetuate for new generations. That's how you respect your nostalgia. Watch what you enjoy, don't watch what you don't. If a reboot/remake is truly bad, it'll make itself known. So called "fans" don't need to clamor for everyone involved in it's creation to be launched out of a catapult into the sun.

Yeah that's how it felt like to me, when I watched promotional Videos of Thunderchats Roar: like mockery.

That's cause it is! Literally a parody show!

@@tino9117 A parody show can be good. Teen Titans GO! is a grand example. I'm not a fan of it, but my nieces loved it and when I watched it with them it was pretty well made. Thundercats Roar wasn't well made, and it didn't respect the viewers or the market. You can make a parody, but if you antagonize the viewers or the market, you pay the price. You said "it's a parody" as if that means something. Sure it's a parody, but is it good? Is it good as a show, or as a parody? Are the creators in touch with what the people and the market want?

Never got into Steven Universe, but Adventure Time actually was a really good, intricately-crafted show. It doesn't deserve to be compared to this shlock.

@@victorcastle5757 Adventure Time shares some similar principles when it comes to design, Adventure Time can even be blamed for influencing the art direction of a lot of shows, plus the show is pretty overrated.

@Channeleven2345789 i guess to most of that, but I dont think it's overrated, but pretty good.

Except Chris Crocker had a valid point, just poorly expressed.

Not even close man, this video looks at the nature of toxic fandoms as a whole, just using this show as a major example cause like, ye this show is mostly known through it's controversy

@@The_Jimplication Not to mention he was unintentionally funny.

@@tino9117 corpos have no excuse to greenlight a piece of shit like this that has "franchise killer" written all over it

No, LEGO screwed the 2011 reboot, and let's be real, the 2011 reboot was a forgettably generic cartoon

​@@Channeleven2345789 2011 had some writing issues up front that I think turned some people off, but the designs and animation were beautiful. I think it needed to mature but it never got the chance. It was about 10 years too early to really take full advantage of the anime craze that's happening right now, although ironically, the anime craze is largely being fueled by how trashy so much American entertainment is today, and people are desperately looking for alternatives.

Yeah, It seems this video didn't want to go too in depth about those low blows "for reasons" The original Panthro "joke" was particularly mean spirited considering that the original voice actor had just recently passed away.

No

THANK YOU! You have no idea how happy it makes me to see someone else agree with just how utterly stupid the "customer is always right" slogan is. It was NEVER to be used as they attempt to use it today. Your correct. Customers only know what THEY WANT. That does not entitle them to dictate how a business is ran. That all said, ThunderCats has a very long history and dedicated fan base. So long as the source material is respected, then those old customers will accept the new menu. However; if you toss out everything respectful about the franchise and purposely alienate those loyal fans, then no one is gonna look at your menu, let alone order the slop from it. And that's exactly what TCR was. Slop.

This comment is painfully misguided, the "quality" of an iteration means nothing to the executives that put their money into it, YES the fans complaining was in fact the reason, and YES, a lot of the complaining was mostly harassment and bad faith, perhaps some were more genuine in their critique, or it just wasn't for them, I think alot of the people making it look worse than it actually was may have deterred people away from giving it a fair chance, the backlash lead to it getting delayed and quietly released, the delay and quiet release led to low viewership, low viewership lead to them just not wanting to bother with it

Lmfao

@@tino9117 Talk about misguided. Even by your standards, it's still 100% the creator's fault for its failure: guess whose responsability it is to advertise a product and make it look appealing? Hint: it's not the audience's. You create a product the fan don't want, you don't make it appealing, you don't advertise it... you fail! It's the creator's job to produce, it's the audience HOBBY to consume. The audience has no duty to fill the gaps for the creator's shortcomings.

I have to agree. Its like he wanted to do a "toxic fan" counter video and just hijacked this IP to do it.

Yes quite strange … and so late in the game …

I’m getting “I was a producer” feelings from this as well.

There are certainly properties that would be a better example of toxic fandom than Thundercats Roar.

@@doro626 The vibe I got, especially after his credits monologue, was that he was a fan of Roar, but never saw/liked the other versions, so he's kinda salty that fan hate cost him his show.

Forever misunderstanding

I mean the market spoke clearly. People could have said whatever they wanted but if the kids wanted it or were watching it it wouldn't have mattered what anyone else said. But they very clearly rejected it just like the other fans. Even people that didn't know what thundercats was looked at that show and we're disgusted by it. And even the people that "kinda" liked it I just don't think could have held up the entire show anyway. The show was doomed from the get-go, and the fact that WB has completely buried it tells me they knew exactly what the reaction was.

Yea that Mercury (the car) logo is awesome

Nice anecdote, but really it's only that.

Damn, I wonder if it says more about you two than the actual product

@@tino9117 that it didn’t resonate with its target audience or people outside of it? I mean the fact it failed should tell you that 🤷🏻‍♂️

Kiss Players and Animated say hi. Turtles got that treatment the second it moved off the black & white comics page, never mind that it was already created as a send-up of "grim & gritty" turns in Daredevil, Batman, etc.

It actually is a fact

​@@angelalvarezcine opinions =/= fact. It's okay if you didn't like it, but let's not state opinions are facts.

@@tyfyghtr the animation style is horrid and that’s a fact. Just compare it to any other style, from old disney, to ghibli, to tartakowsky’s, to wander over yonder (which has the “calarts” style too). It’s objectively bad. It’s ok if you like it though, to each their own. But it is bad and it’s not just an opinion.

While I don’t disagree in disliking the art of the show, again art is subjective, always in the eye of the beholder and therefore always metered on opinion over fact. Again won’t deny that it looks like trash to me, but it’s practically gold in an animation style since it wasn’t bound by solid standards of reality letting the animators get away with more than they would have otherwise in a style like either show before. For what the show was attempting to do it wasn’t an entirely wrong choice. Only that the entire feel of the show didn’t resonate with most. Older fans hated the departure from the more action oriented series it had always been, while kids probably saw it for ripping off the Teen Titans Go format with characters that they had no real impact from.

It's a fact.

Well the channel has no problem mercilessly mocking the dreck that the 80s and 90s produced, but apparently dreck from today is sacred and off-limits.

@@BonusEggs4Sale That's because the channel satirizes a very specific set of nostalgia. If you need compentary of modern work, there are PLENTY of channels crying about Snyder, Gunn, and LucasFilms.

Victor, the show runner, was very open about how much his brothers liked the og show. This felt very much like a spiteful little sibling breaking his older brothers toys because they probably beat the hell out of him as a kid.

​@@JetsetradioThey followed the tried and true DCU method of hiring!

The schedule was pretty much what killed the show's prospects.

The show aired on Friday nights on CN. That was just from the airing from Adult Swim’s late night programming block, Toonami

I would recomend watching the original, much of the first season is stand alone eps aside from a couple of eps which are the trials of Lion'o which was a couple of eps where he has to beat the other Thundercats in a series of trials, then from the second season, it starts to have a real plot with the arrival of new villians who are more of a threat than the mutants and a bit later, the anicent spirts of evil also come into play!

Thanks for the recommendation!

Particulary when he said he starts saying that the failing reason was the lack of the fans for caring for a "fun" show and that he never liked the original in the first place. Remember when this was the behavior from companies when they disliked their products and how well it went for them? Mainly Star Wars. I´m sure he´s a Star Wars fans. Wonder if he also loves and defends everything SW. Particularly the series. And, more so, the lovely scene of Obi-Wan hiding Leia under his coat in front of place full of enemies. I´m sure he thought it was hilarious and totally deserving of the IP.

Are the brutal ones way down low? Did they get deleted before I saw them? I did *not* read through the entire section, but most of the responses are disagreeing but making it clear they're not particularly angry. More "disappointed". Or wondering if this is Dan epically trolling us. *Seriously,* that still might be the simplest, most plausible answer. >.>

I'm glad to see it. I was flabbergasted watching Dan sound like a typical preachy Twitter acolyte bashing fans as manchildren while saying "who cares, the source material wasn't good anyway" given the very nature of what this channel has always been about. Heartwarming to see everyone else reeling from the uncharacteristic salt and soapboxing.

Yeah, it's hard to say if it was self aware of just hypercritical.

Beginning to wonder if this is their most downvoted video ever (got a extension that lets me see them: 4.6 up vs 3.3 down, as of this post)

I was actually getting invested in that show, and Young Justice, AND Green Lantern...and CRAPTOON NETWORK pulled the whole rug from under us around 2012ish and replaced it with TeenTitans Go! marathons indefinitely I was pissed! Roar is just TTG with a Thundercats re-skin and nobody can change my mind. It felt like more salt on a wound years later.

I absolutely HATE IT when a show's "humor" revolves entirely around "watch these stupid people do stupid things," especially when it's aimed at kids. Kids can appreciate genuine wit just as much as adults can.

I'm not claiming that '80s cartoons were masterpieces but most featured adult characters acting like adults and kids related to them just fine.

Lion O was the only real idiot tbf

Lol cartoons make you clutch your pearls? Jfc I wish I had a soft life like you.

If you're gonna make a show about dumbasses, just make it original. Ren and Stimpy didn't need a connection to a previous property to "bank on". Same with The Warner Brothers (and their sister) or Freakazoid.

It was greenlit because Teen Titans Go was successful, hence the derivative title and tone.

@@AussieDragoon And it was cheap

@AussieDragoon In fact it looks even cheaper than Teen Titans go

@@AussieDragoon TTG was the best rated show on CN not because it was good but because CN pulled everything better to stuff the lineup with more TTG.

The "fresh approach" bit is more so for why the creators made it, they wanted to do something they thought would be funny and entertaining as fans of the source material But ye to be honest, it was greenlit cause it looked like easy money thx to TTG being a success (for some reason)

For real. If the show was so popular and beloved then how come a "vocal minority" could do any damage? It's not like their not-watching the show would damage their supposedly massive view numbers and toy sales.

Sincerely doubt that they knew that he would die in the whole near year they wrote the episode

​@@CUniverseit wasn't that as much as they had the audacity to have Larry Kenney tell the OG fans of the original series and the fans of the 2011 reboot that "...Thundercats Roar is a worthy successor and anyone who says otherwise has a poop mouth with poop opinions" I am not making that shit up. Go watch the last 5 minutes of Teen Titans Roar.

There's a difference between saying that people shouldn't be whining pretending that the use of a corporate brand offends them (which is right of course), and pretending that all products are worth the same. Some things are just decadent crap, even if there's someone who likes them.

Whether it's good or poor, it's a genuine take. And there's merit in that, particularly when your relevance and show are at stake.

@@laguaridadelgremlin it is indeed genuine. But I think it's a genuinely bad take and lacks the level-headedness Dan normally exhibits. This one felt more like a bitter rant.

Thats like saying the 2011 series got canceled because it wasn’t good (it didnt even make it to 1 full season)

@Getwright- 2011 got canceled because it needed toy sales to offset the cost of the animation, and the toy sales weren't there. The show was aimed more toward adult viewers, but the huge boom of adult toy collectors wasn't there like it is today. Cartoon Network has never been able to pour endless money into animation, and that's why, as the years went on, the quality of the animation in shows worsened.

More like a euthanized pony at that

What lead to the dislike number removal was due to the negative results the White House was seeing on their channel. "It makes us feel bad." Yeah we can't have criticisms anymore.

Dude, the internet doesn't represent shit in the real world. Nobody cares about these things outside of this space.

for fun I went and looked up the trailer, 8.9k up vote vs 123k downvote. (I have the dislike extension). side note my comment on that video "is this an april fools joke" is still live lol

@@SkittleKicksPlays Here's the best part: they didn't actually remove the dislike display from the Creator's page (well, they might have by now, but if so they waited litterally years to do so), only from the Audience, where it was actually very useful information. So it got to keep right on hurting the creator's feelings, but NOT lead to viewers not watching bad content.

@@laurencefraser nope it still there, Secret galaxy get to see how much we hate this video, it actually has a like ratio. and I'm sure this one looks like crap compared to their other vids.

I was one of those people who looked at Transformers Animated before it hit and thought it would be awful. I was proven wrong though and it ended up being a quality show I wish we got more of.

​@@mittensfastpawI could never get into Animated the visual style just doesn't work for me. However lots of people like it, many who like you were skeptical so it clearly did something right. It never seems to have disrespected the IP or the fans. Initial bad reactions can be overcome if you make something good.

@@101Mant Animated was in my opinion really good, probably one of the best in the franchise. Also, it actually embraced the franchise in many ways. There were so many references to different incarnations, some that were really obscure.

Seriously Larson is doing his best Seymour Skinner impression over here. This show had the "hello fellow kids" energy all over it and that's why it was so firmly and completely rejected.

Transformers as a franchise has had multiple instances where it almost died off in the eye of the public. The G2 reboot in the 90s almost killed them off until Beast Wars came around--and even then, Beast Wars was just a comparative blip. Beast Machines, RiD2001, and the Unicron Trilogy *existed*, but they were far from culturally relevant. Transformers effectively was underground "nerd crap" until the Bayverse movies came out. Those movies are the only reason why Transformers has any modern relevance. Without the Bayverse movies, Transformers would be in the same place Thundercats is now: the thing you trot out in a Family Guy episode where someone says "Hey nerds, remember this weird thing from the 80s?"

@@Levitz9 Transformers might not have been mainstream until 2007, *but it was still getting media and merchandise for the entirety of the downtime.* Thundercats had NOTHING. "Almost died off" is not the same thing as "DEAD." Besides, most franchises like these were considered "nerd crap" until those nerds grew up and entered the Hollywood workforce.

WB only cares about toy sales? Big shock

​@@TheEmeraldWeirdospace ghost coast to coast is the one exception to everything, something that had it's fans, but then nothing was done with it until some guys who grew up with it decided to make a parody that many people grew to love, it's obviously a gamble, but it's not impossible, I truly believe the only ones suffering with Roar were 2011 fans, had that series not existed, roar wouldn't have as negative of a stigma

@@tino9117 The fallacy with that argument is that if the 2011 series never existed, then Roar probably wouldn't have been made, either.

A show he himself didn’t watch lol

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So he still got majority likes … i actually thought it would been worse, although the majority that watch did seem to neither decided to give like or dislike

Didn't think you could still see dislikes anymore.

First of all, don't scold people for having a supposed BIAS if you can't spell the word correctly. Second, if that's your reaction to the video then you need to watch it again and actually pay attention instead of looking for an excuse to feel like you're being insulted

i mean, he threw boba away for a joke in the video, so probably will be fine with that?

Even funnier, Transformers Animated had another thing going against it when it was announced. Its lead story guy was Marty Isenberg, who previously co-ran the (at the time) very divisive Transformers Beast Machines with his friend Bob Skir. If some parts of the fandom weren't dismissing TF:Animated on its art style, they'd dismiss it for Marty's involvment. And yet, it was successful. It's a shame Hasbro decided to end it in order to cut ties with Cartoon Network in order to start producing its own content for its proprietary The Hub tv channel.

The thing is that TTG had the exact same sort of fan outrage associated with it because it went in a different direction from the original cartoon, even though it is actually a pretty fun show, so the comparison fits.

@@posindustries see but TTG didn’t go in a different direction than the original cause the original had TWO directions, silly, and gritty. TTG just chose to drop the gritty part and go full silly. They even do an episode making fun of how weird the show would be if they went full gritty. Thundercats had little funny moments here and there but no episode ever went fully silly. Also TTG online reaction was literally the vocal minority because the show makes great ratings and sells merch whereas almost everyone hate Roar and the numbers reflect that.

This was my main thought here. Bizarre that a channel all about covering old properties suddenly gets angrily defensive about THIS show, of all things. Roar isn't even an old enough show to be nostalgic about, I have no idea why they've made this episode.

will give Mighty Orbots goodpoints for being "a show first and no a toyline", but even if Thundercats started development the same way, he will just see it as a toy commercial like all the others.

More than anything, this episode felt like a critique of the disgusting behavior displayed by a toxic, but vocal, minority whenever someone tries to do anything new with an old intellectual property. A lot of the time the stuff turns out to be bad, or not the same, but that doesn't excuse these so called "fans" from harassing people to the extent that they do. For example, I hate that in the new Star Wars films Ray became a jedi knight in a few hours, with no instruction, but I didn't go online and harass someone for it. I just didn't bother watching the 3rd movie. What Dan said is that a lot of the time these trolls go online and post abuse and arguments that don't hold any water--like how the "calarts style" criticism has no basis in fact. If fans want more of the stuff they like. They need to allow for other versions of it to be moderately successful, and not to try to destroy it. They can choose not to watch it. If they have to, they can post a well-thought out criticism. Then let some people actually enjoy it. Or trolls can torpedo anything different from what _THEY_ want, and they can accept their favorite thing is truly dead when no one ever dares to touch it again.

Do you.... Think he just praises every product he talks about in these vids? If anything he looks at a lot of them with cynicism, this is just the only one where he decided to give an actual take on the insane backlash

"Angrily defensive?" What? 😅