The Empire of Mali - The Twang of a Bow - Extra History - Part 1 

It was Walpole. Also, first of the people who get it in the normal timeframe.

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Hey Extra history, Do you think its possible to get the non patrons vote for vids but their vote has little impact on the votes?

Pretty much covered north bordering the Mediterranean. It’s the South, central interior that’s hardly covered. But wouldn’t be surprised that it’s no idyllic paradise either. Just pretty much, more of the same.

Abdirahman no that sounds about right

@@cameronbell6183 lol

from swahili, mali ethiopia and ofc egypt where ppl often forgot located in africa not in arab .... So yeah i wish to hear more not the colonialist bias which at the time more focused to justify their atrocity denying the culture of the native land.

@@aa2339 mid to southern Africa was pretty stable not that much war more trading than war.

its where the real Timbuktu existed.

same with me

I know right

Maurice Baxter still exists

Maurice Baxter but it's more Islamist uprisings than golden sorcerer kings these days

Its like Extra Credits was in your school...

Then by all means also read about the Dahmomey empire and peraps the first few chapters of "Primitive War" By Turney-High. It is not a rag on the Africans at all...

pecu alex Now that would've been amazing...

Were u from

To be honest I don't watch Extra Credits... but the Archives of Extra History are something I put on almost every morning. :P

I agree. To be honest, while the gaming video aren't bad at all, these history videos are amazing.

Comprehensible

Still better than gavelkind.

General Luigi lol ck2 nightmares

Herodotus Von 8428 this is why i kill my younger heirs and my wife if i got a very good heir

DragoniteSpam Are you talking about CK2 or the Paul Brothers?

not Just in history but also in our very lives! I know because My grandfather had 6 kids and after he died well fights began for his house and fields

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Yeah I'm curious too

Here for any answers

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and fell in a river.

So... dunk tank accident?

Yea

Or he got shot at a festival, fell into a river and drowned while asking for help but receiving none as everybody was drunk.

Drowned or "Accidentally" shot at a festival. More like a CK2 plot to me.

Kuro_Hitokiri what no love for the Ashanti?

Do Ashanti next

Oh shit! I missed them. I thought I added them. My bad

And southern Africa, like Great Zimbabwe.

Kuro_Hitokiri the Ghana,Mali and the Songhai empire I think are the only really great West African empires that deserve videos

Sue Maru can tae?

Well, could've been helped by knowledge of the pronunciation of the football player N'Golo Kante

interestingly golo also means goal in portuguese

N'Golo Kante clearly chose the right career. Wait, he's not a goalie, right? I guess we could squint and call him NoGolo.

I can't help but think that the _Kanté_ was not the difficult part the OP was referring to. :D

Hurray for inflation!

@@TheGameFilmGuruMan Mecca*

@@therealchen I mean when your so rich your spending habits destabilise the economy of nations, I'd say you have a good claim to being the richest person ever lol

@WKC-Predator123s Oh damn, perspective for anyone interested. A $400bn net worth would put you in the 30th place for national GDP, ahead of countries like Isreal, Ireland and South Africa.

@@themadhammer3305 Augustus, Genghis Khan and a couple others were wealthier. These list only count raw materials instead of assets. Augustus personally owned all of Egypt which was worth four trillion dollars.

A Game of Thrones spin-off story but on a prespective of the blacks.

African Total War should totally be a thing.

Sounds good

@@AccipiterSmith sotheryos exists...so its not that far fetched

@@PennyDreadful1 Im down for that too.

They left it out because Sunjata is King David in the Bible...12 tribes and all, his enemy was changed to Goliath. They corrupted the story. Mansa Musa is King Solomon and Abubakari II was Moses. The Great river took them to the other side. They changed it to God splitting the sea and them walking on dry land. What nonsense.

@Heru Behudety U believe what u r told by known liars and manipulators? Ok

@@blkhistorydecoded what the hell are you talking about? David is a lot different. David had no connection to royal families, he was just some peasant kid.

@@leef8433 Yeah and Adam and Eve were the first humans on the face of the Earth???

@@blkhistorydecoded I mean yeah I think God spawned more after but I'm pretty sure they were?

The most beautiful thing ever shown on this channel was a map with prussia on it

Personally, I think that the Admiral Yi series has the most beautiful artwork. But besides your point about this particular series, I think that Extra Credit's artists should be acknowledged for creating simple yet memorable and impactfull art.

I also greatly enjoyed the Yi Shun Shin series's art and historical portrayal, etc. Extra Credits just keeps getting better and better

I doubt world would be that different. Surely some civilization would emerge in the Americas, but Africans (aside from some examples like the one here) weren't exactly interested in settling continents far away. They certainly had no need too. At best, some expeditions would travel and settle, maybe boost the technologies of Native Americans a bit, but I don't see waves after waves of Africans pouring into the New World. They simply have no incentive.

I imagine that the prime difference would have been that instead of from Europe, the diseases that would devastate the native population would have come from Africa. And their conquest would had been a lot less sucessful, because the tecnological difference wouldn't be so high in comparison.

You mean South America would be speaking Arabic instead of Spanish?

JohnnyElRed there wasn't much of a technological difference, at the being between really anywhere at that point, the difference was organization and the easy availability of workable metal. Had the aboriginal people of the new world, not be annihilated by disease then I would see a complete change in the world, Europe would still dominate, earliest to global trade with port cities everwhere, not to allow colonies, but the difference wouldn't be that great, so total domination would likely not happen

The technological difference wasn't that different with the europeans either though. The Aztecs actually DEFEATED the Spanish, native allies and all. The only reason they Spanish did make like the Norse (also Europeans bested by the natives they encountered) and pack it up was becuase Cortez burned the ships so his army couldn't run away. If smallpox hadn't done it's thing the Europeans would never have established a foothold. The only technological advantage Europeans really had was calvary but they lacked the numbers (at the start of colonization) for that to make a difference.

Stefano Zucchelli Not just Europe and Africa, that is the history of the world.

Except for Antartica.

Benjamin Carlini oh no my friend, penguins go through the same struggle down there as well. Why do you think they are called Emperor penguins?

Humans are gonna human.

That’s humans for ya

David Marsh I wish my school would use them... but alas I'm German so no chance

If only teachers like you would use these types of medium for a source of information showing detailed demographics of such certain events. Not being lectured in a verbal sense that would be efficient of retention of the said event.

you do know these are just stories right?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Lmfao

So true

Taste the rainbow of democracy!

.......Can I join?

Imo i think it's because most have seen all the walks of life from their country and thus know how t play in on that.

You also have to remember that in many cases the history is written somewhat after the fact and even with primary sources we only have an indirect view of things; this results in sometimes having a history that emphasises the most fantastical portions of their life prior to their reign where official documents would be more plentiful.

Eh, official documents are notoriously known for being not exactly acurate. Diaries and indirect info about the person are a lot more believeable. But good luck finding those in these era's.

The thing is with official documents, like census reports and such, is that they are vastly easier to collaborate and confirm than things like journal entries. It's why for example we have such overwhelming evidence of the Holocaust and other war crimes by the Nazi's despite substantial efforts by the Nazi's to destroy and hide evidence; there's just too much of a paper trial. It is also why we are able to, once we are able to access Soviet archives in the 90's, able to get a vastly better picture of the Eastern front and realize that a lot of German reports are full of shit. Because while you could claim that Soviet reports are also bs; paper work that gets processed though like "We lost 5 tanks here, 2 tanks there, and 9 tanks there, so please send us replacements" is almost impossible to fabricate; there's too much evidence.

In Crusader Kings II, it's far easier to maintain an empire you built yourself, rather than one you start ruling over, and I imagine the reasons are somewhat comparable. When you start small and conquer your way up, you get to have a great deal more more say in who is directly serving under you, and those vassals are generally fiercely loyal because everything they have was given by you. You can also set in place favorable laws before there are is a powerful bureaucracy underneath you that would oppose them. Not having to deal the the aforementioned issues, you can focus on increasing prosperity, expanding outward, and generally bringing in a regular stream of boons that keep vassals loyal and everything running smooth. On the other hand, when you start ruling over a large nation, your vassals owe you nothing, and they typically have a great deal more autonomy and power, which in turn better allows them to fight against attempts to curb said power. The core of the problems you face are usually internal, and rooted in deep seated traditions that will face universal hatred if you try to change. All of your resources are usually just devoted to maintaining power. A lot of those factors seem pretty reasonable for why powerful figures in history more often seem to ascend from nothing, rather than start cushy and improve from there. Not to mention people seem to put more hope in something new, than building upon what they already have. They prefer the revolution to the reformation.

HorribleHistory what are some non mainstream channels that cover African history?

I can only think of two relatively popular ones that really focus on factual african history, those being FromNothing and HometeamHistory. Hometeam has a slight bias, but is generally good, while FromNothing manages to escape bias, but even these channels are small, with Hometeam having around 50,000 subscribers and FromNothing having a much smaller audience of 5,200 subscribers RU-vidrs like Epimetheus, however, are starting to show interest in African history, so I wouldn't be surprised if it became more common soon.

History with Hilbert might pick up some pre-colonial african history in the future i recall him mentioning in the comments of one of his videos.

My problem with hometeam history is that i get that feeling that they sometimes get carried away by the more fringe and sensationalistic parts of pan-africanist historywriting.

R3ika I am subscribe to the channel. Overall it really is a good channel. I just make a point to fact check anything that seems off using academic sources. I own 4 good academic volumes on medieval west African civilization. “ Beyond Timbuktu” “ African Dominion” “The Royal Empires of Ghana, Mali and Songhai” “ History of the Yoruba People” RU-vid is a good introduction. But if you are really interested, I highly recommend checking out the academic material as well. Another thing worth mentioning is that the middle ages were when the empires rose. But there were large urban towns in west Africa as early as 500 BC. These towns had mudbrick architecture, iron metallurgy, domesticated animals and Big populations as high as 20,000 people. It was during the common era that these towns and cities began to coalesce into states and empires.

You're a man of culture my friend

S3rp3nte hehehe well thank u man

S3rp3nte i actually played as malians in that game

hardest campaign missions, possibly

actually not a bad idea

Farah Yeah, until he dies. The Roman system of making Generals and Governors one and the same worked all the way up until Caesar crossed the Rubicon and set a precedent. Edit: Actually, up until Sulla seized the city.

Faust Lesson from history: Never name multiple heirs😂😀.

The little red haired girl from across the street that’s the truth thank you

The mandinka people indeed deserve to be recognized for their creativity and courage. I am a Mandinka from Gambia 🇬🇲. The final destination of the mandinka warriors.

@@mamstray2624 Awesome bro, you should be proud

The next story set in Africa should not be about an Empire though. But this is great.

Fredrik Dunge What would it be about then? Those are the interesting parts of African history at least it the time periods EH usually covers

They already covered Egypt, and the Carthaginian v Roman war. Both Africans as well.

+Robert Jarman They're likely referring to "Black" Africans.

Fredrik Dunge Not really Rome is 2000 years older than Mali and the Greeks 3000.

Luis Aldamiz Agreed

I think the Amazon River makes more sense. Near the today Marajó Island the river find the ocean and fit very well the way they desbribe.

Songhai*

It's songhai. Different empire by African too.

Find a source of this that isnt afrocentrist

@@algonzalez6853 afrocentrist because west africa had kingdoms?

@@algonzalez6853 end your internet subscription.

And they also destroyed what they built

@@artoruvidal2793 so did Europeans and Asians. What do you think war is?

Her full name was Nzinga of Ndongo and Matamba. Could be an opportunity to feature a brilliant woman who had strong military tactics

*tips Malian fedora*

Well as far as I know fedora wearers are the only people who still stand in battlefields chanting sorcery. I think it's called LARPing.

Ghanian Officers Don't Duck!

they goose. and sometimes chicken. but never duck

Who knows, he might able to wololo'ed some of the armies if the arrow didn't interrupt the chant

you're playing the wrong games mah dood

Ignacio A What? There are plenty of books on African history, mostly west African since it's more documented. I don't believe you've tried to find this information lol

Much PC, the poster was probably meaning books that are for entertainment not academic.

MagnuMagnus tbf, according to the Mandinka everyone back in those days knew magic. Apparently Souramaro didn't die, he turns into a tornado then later a tree. The Epic of Soundjata is as much legend as it is a record of a mans life. Kept getting retconned whenever convenient, for example according to later Giouts (keepers of history/heralds) he was a muslim and related to Billal.

I feel the need to point out that keeping heads as trophies was not rare historically and for that mater nether was practicing magic. While it may not have actually worked people historically did believe in, study and practice magic, hell in many places they still do.

My main point is simply that when an enemy is demonized in historical records, you gotta wonder how evil they really were.

MagnuMagnus he was probably an enemy, but most of that sorcery stuff probably came later as a result of state propaganda

While sorcery and human skin shoes seem like exaggeration, keeping human heads was common enough historically that that specific bit could be real.

Alexander The Loremaster yes, he went on the haji(pilgrimage) and on the way he just threw gold at people, making it rather inflated for a while

Yes, Mansa Musa, who assume is coming up later.

Alexander The Loremaster You mean Mansa Musa and his pilgrimage?

The man that got the European's attention for better or for worse

Mansa Musa, and yes, it was on his Hajj. He gave away so much gold on the way he had to take most of it back on his return trip to stabilize all the economies he'd accidentally destroyed.

It's actually doubtful that the American developers and writers back in the mid nineties actually knew of this story. But at the same time, there's a sort of universal story that can develop from such human stories. The Lion King has been called Shakespearean, yes, but many other folk epics follow after it. I suggest to anyone watch Kyle Kallgren's review of the Lion King for his Month of Shakespeare series to see where so many stories seem to inter-lap to become one.

Luboman411 I believe he's next

hahaha, good one

Idgi.

Probably moreso that he was their king.

I was worried he was going to turn into a giant snake like Thulsa Doom did

Rational Roundhead Good point. Perceived threats, real or not, do have significant impact on people's behaviour. www.dingo.sbs.arizona.edu/~schmader/Working%20Memory%20Capacity.pdf www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/agoraphobia/symptoms-causes/syc-20355987

Hopefully they get sponsored fir 3 kingdoms of china with the new total war game coming up.

They did. Before columbus actually

Can you imagine if they'd actually colonized North America? It'd potentially be a VERY different world today if the Americas had been colonized by Semi-Islamic West African people instead of Christian Europeans