The End and the Death III - The Emperor Interned || Voice Over 

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I always thought that with every comment the Emperor made of him that he had the biggest part to play in the grand plan… but who knows

Oh, you mean the child who is good and pure and simply not allowed to die at all? Him the favorite, no way.

I still think it was Horus. "I will wait for you and I forgive you."

@@TheHound402 Emperor is definitely playing the long game with Vulkan. Secret favorite or close favorite.

I agree. Majorkill thinks he is THE favorite, and I think he might have a point@@StimmBehr

Rogal always cared deeply, always considered what he was doing and why. He was always trying to be better, as a person, as a general, he never stopped trying to improve on what he was doing. But he was not made of stone, for all his stoicism, he was human. His family was broken, the Imperium's dream shattered, his father half dead. So the man who shouldered the weight of the world could not bear his burden anymore.

I don't know why but Rogal makes me think of vegeta in a way (Yes i know im lame). This stoic and never smiling serious guy that secretly cares about his family.

When I read master of mankind, he had one moment of softness in a meeting. Custodians refused his help and also seemed to say they couldn't trust the legions fully. He stiffened like he was offended but nodded and said something along the lines of "Magnus, my brother, of all the mistakes you have made, this one is the worst" I was the first time I ever seen him seem saddened. BUT THIS BOOK, I broke for him.

No wall is unbreakable, no siege is unstoppable. If this is what it takes to make a man like Rogal Dorn cry then it's both a sign of his strength but also how terrible the Horus Heresy was.

Rogal - true to his nature as the consummate siege-master - built a fortress around his emotions... but like all fortresses, it was built to protect - his feelings. Rogal felt deeply... he cared immensely for family and loved ones... perhaps more so than any other primarch. In The Flight of the Eisenstein, Euphrate Keeler cries for him - because she and Garrow have broken a brother's heart by news of Horus's treachery and it will never mend again. Rogal slept every night with the blanket of the grandfather who raised him.

I think it's used by other custodes during this book as well?

Indeed, that wording reminded me of John Gramaticus last scene in the book, laying the tread by the (cave) painting...

? Constantine wasn't in the webway when the Emperor arrived. Ra Endymion held command there instead of Valdor.

I mean Malcador is thousands of years old, and is a character I think actually portrays this. Human's in 40k aren't meant to live that long, even the Perpetuals struggle, unlike the Aeldari who were born to immortality (or as close as now-Mortal creatures can get to it after the Birth of Slaanesh). He's an ancient and aged being, he's not eternally young, he's eternally aged, and is very clear about how tired he is when he ascends the Golden Throne. Malcador was perhaps the Emperor's only real friend after the other Perpetuals left, and is the only one the Emperor truly confided in at every point. He stuck around so long because of this, and lived to fulfill the Emperor's purposes.

That's always been the point. The Emperor isn't a God, He's just a Man, a powerful and extremely knowledgeable one, practically immortal and eternal, but not perfect despite all that. He told people this repeatedly, but they just couldn't fathom someone like that was just a Man, and labelled Him a God instead. He even casts off the promise of Apotheosis and remains a Man to safeguard Humanity, demonstrating this to be true until the end. The Emperor even says this to Sanguinius, that His foresight isn't as developed as His Son, and that He basically gets vague impressions of the future, a massive number of branching decisions that are unclear and can only be navigated with assumption and knowledge, not purely foresight. I never understood the whole "the Emperor planned everything" when it's clear that this fate could have been avoided at many turns if His foresight was that developed, and this is the single WORST possible outcome bar Horus surviving and taking Terra. In my opinion, there are no God's in 40k, there are powerful things, indescribable entities, but between Extradimensional Parasites that feed upon sentient mind's, Sentient Creature's of Pure Energy born in the Big Bang that feed upon the very Stars themselves, the Crystallized forms of Sentient Beliefs like the Aeldari created in the War in Heaven, Machine's beyond the scope of imagination, and simple biological beings blessed with immense potency, all are fallible, none are omnipotent, nor omniscient, and all can die! This is what makes the setting so dark, people believe these creatures to hold their hopes and dreams, they seek meaning from them in an apparently meaningless universe, and all that Faith is based upon lies. The only ones who understand this made their own such mistakes in the past, and caused the state of the Galaxy through this, the Necron's killed their Star God's, and the Aeldari buried theirs until they birthed a new one. The Tau kind of get this, but from a point of ignorance and naivete.

Very well put!

I liked that thematic emphasize and gotta give props to BL for not writing reactionary fun service in regards to the whole mythology accumulated through years around HH, through fan theories/expectations and so on...

​@@AveSicarius Well said. The way I like to think of the Emperor's plans is almost as if he were a poker player. Poker is a game of limited information, but you do know all of the possible outcomes. You can bet and raise or fold with the knowledge of the possibilities, and a good player simply maximizes the chips on the table when the odds are in his favor. But the player still might lose, despite having the statistically better hand. The Emperor acts similarly. He has some foresight and can "see" a myriad of possibilities. So he acts to maximize humanity's odds to survive and thrive, even though he might still lose when the final card is on the table. And like a good poker player, he tries to leave himself "outs" to salvage a bad situation, to have an improbable victory, and to minimize damage so that he might play another hand. Likewise, even being on the Golden Throne, the Emperor has "outs". His primarchs are returning and the devotion of the imperium is making him more powerful. Humanity is in a terrible spot, but they still have some "outs" as it were.

Dorn is dead-

​@@3rdtimesthecharm376 not been confirmed

You’re either exaggerating or a loser. Get a grip.

Malcador's last words about the plans is just something else. Guilliman returning was truly the only thing that saved Imperium

Someone next to Dorn, powerful onions they are, to affect a primarch.

Sheer Willpower!!

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I shall certainly add it to the list! That would be a fantastic excerpt indeed. My thanks for watching!

Definitely not Malcador

@@URKCEHinoSuu someone call an Apothecary!

Him... I will still have Steve the Guardsman

Only war.

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He always saw them as his sons, his boys. There are scenes where the Emperor isn't even saying anything and he just stands there, but the Primarchs note that the aura coming off him and the way he looks at them is a look of pure pride and glee. I know the look they're talking about because my own father has given me that look a few times in my life. Malcador also reminisces that even way back when they were babies growing in the lab, the Emperor switched from calling them his "subjects" to saying "my sons". At the time he found it odd but didn't mention it, just raised an eyebrow and moved on. You can't develope the type of genuine love he had for Horus right at the end of everything, it was always there. For all of them.

He’s basically dead here already. This is basically the last lamentations of the remnants of his soul.

They do realise and acknowledge that, they both do. Everytime you read Mal or the Emperor speak of "the dream" and how it is dead, that is them saying out loud that all they did, all they hoped from and did to make humanity better, was all for naught. They tried and they failed.

I think they regret the outcome more than the cost. They eradicated countless civilizations and cultures many of whom were only guilty of wanting to be left in peace and posed no threat to the Imperium. In some cases mankind as a whole would have been better off if the great crusade had failed to conquer and assimilate the other civilization.

@@spencerherron5539 It was both and there's a reason they did that to those civilizations. There's a scene where either the Custodian Ra, or Valdor-I can't remember which, is asking what the Emperor was actually planning wihh the whole Webway thing. And he explains that he wanted to do 2 things. 1.) EVERY SINGLE human in the entire galaxy was going to be part of the future in the Webway. He wanted literally all of Mankind in there and not a single person was to be left from it's glory. Ra/Valdor thinks it's flat out hubris but he explains that so long as there is a single person in the galaxy, Chaos could use and manipulate them. That feeds into step 2 2.) Step 2 was to exterminate all sentient Xenos in the Galaxy that aren't under Imperial protection (yes a few of those exist, they're a thing) because like with the Laer and like the Eldar, they can be twisted by Chaos and made to screw with the Webway somehow. That could not be allowed to happen if humanity was to grow and evolve So to you it looks like he's doing it for his own ego, but it was an absolute must, a bitter necessity that every single colony they came across had to be integrated. Given a few millenia those very same societies who 'just wanted to be left alone' would've been knocking on the gates of the Webway, with Chaos symbols carved into their flesh and Daemons at their backs. The Horus Heresy showed us that even the absolute best of humanity isn't immune to their influence. The Emepror and Malcador didn't 'like' what they were doing to their own kind, but all they did was justified by necessity. It was the only way to avoid annihilation at the hands of malevolent gods

I don’t think he did it for his ego , just that he was misguided and arrogant. He was convinced that the only way mankind was going to work together was if he gave it other choice and learned the hard way that you can’t force people to do what is in their own best interest . Saving mankind without resorting to imposing his will under threat of genocide and crushing all resistance to his way of doing things may have been a lot more difficult and risky but was never impossible. I see it like how America did not forcibly take over the allied countries but they were still able to work together and won world war 2 . Big E did what he told himself he had to do but It’s like how Curze tried to claim the horrific actions he took were the only way to save his home world, when in fact it was just the easiest/fastest way . The emperor always chose the way that offered the highest likelihood of success in any given situation no matter the moral implications . He did not deme human free will to be necessary. He also treated diversity of values and beliefs as nothing but an obstacle to be corrected to better fit his greater plan. As for all the other human civilizations being doomed even if the Emperor didn’t take over , I disagree . The Imperium was not the only human civilization that was in a position to capitalize on the power vacuum left by the Eldar. The others had been growing in power and would have continued to do so if not for the great crusade snuffing them out faster than any xeno or demon ever could . the Imperium started so early and expanded so fast that they never got the chance. Any of those civilizations could have in time been the one to find a way to overcome the terrors of the galaxy. It was the Imperium’s policy of preemptively taking over everything in the galaxy to secure itself as soon possible which eliminated so many opportunities for someone else to find better ways to do things.

@@spencerherron5539they tried. Had they not, they would have failed anyway. Without the great crusade humanity would be wiped out by the orks. Without the emperor erasing religion EVERY religion would eventually worship the 4. (Because yes, literally every religion eventually devolves into worshipping the 4. INCLUDING the worship of the emperor.) And no, mankind would have NEVER been better off without the emperor and the great crusade. Cultures that he destroyed were most often violent ones, ruled by greedy tyrants who desired nothing but power. They cared nothing for uplifting mankind as a whole. Or just mutated lesser humans…who couldn’t coexist with base humanity. And those that wanted to be left in peace? Who’s to say that they wouldn’t become like those violent civilization? And who’s to say that had they been left alone and left unchecked, that they would survive? As to why not leave them be? When you see a drowning child, and the child tells you he doesn’t want to be saved… do you not try to save him? Do you accept his words and let him drown? Would that make you a morally superior person to a man who did save him? Imagine that on a planetary scale. A single governor saying no, doesn’t represent the wishes of a population… There are DOZENS of logical and moral reasons to commit those atrocities. And the emperor did improve the worlds he conquered. He gave them technology. He gave them reason. He eliminated unnecessary cruelty and protected those worlds. What more could he have done?

that scene (the battle of Thessala) has already been written by Guy Haley in the Dark Imperium series

There's something interesting about that here. "The Emperor Protects". That the Horus Hersey was 'part of the plan', that the Emperor was an unwilling god. That's what I took from this. All throughout the series when we saw him- he was just a man. The most powerful we can possibly achieve in our species, and he moaned about how how he failed, how because of his failure, humanity would be doomed to a slow death. in the year 40k, there is only war. Humanity took wrong lessons from this period. It's not satire, but it's sure as hell not a goal.

It will most likely be Russ , since the Pups have their own codex like DA …. And well G-man .

​@@kharnthebetrayer1575Black Templars have their own list, WDYM? Dorn leading his angry Bois would be a sight to see.

@@ethanduncan1646 😂🤣😂🤣 a page in the Codex . Not the same as Dark angels , Grey Knights, Space pups, and Blood Angels.