The end of Italian football's secret advantage 

It's applicable for all the other top 5 leagues like la liga, Bundesliga, ligue 1 as well..... Maybe premier league is an exception

It's so funny how people here in Italy complain that there aren't *enough* Italian players

There's too many foreigners. That's why the national team is losing

@@Solid_Snake99your national team is losing because you have been slow on investing in youth over the last 20 years since your golden generation started peaking

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Juventus is the main club currently using the most italians in their squad rotation

That was when it was in the rules that teams could only have 5-6 foreign players in the squad. Thats kind of happening today but more by being priced out of players from abroad. For example Juve this summer brought cambiasso into the squad in top of gatti fagioli miretti locatelli and chiesa. Atalanta have scalvini and scamacca. Inter haven’t invested greatly in Italians but they did sign frattesi. If anything the teams are getting talent in their academies and signing within the league which is what’s making it stronger step by step. If they sign from abroad they tend to go for free signings or lowkey talent that flys under the radar.

@@Coolbeans1492 Here's what I can't understand about Italian football. Spurs signed the statistically best keeper this season in the premier league for 17m, the best leftback for22m an incredible valuable midfielder for 19 and one of the most underrated players in the league in Dejan Kulusevski for 25m. Juve let Dragusin walk out the door for 5.5m to another Italian team. Sure Romero cost a lot, but so did Kim. It took Vicario forever to get a chance at the top level for Empoli who were bottom table fodder and no other Italian team thought he was worth signing before Spurs did. Dudes 27 years old that's a long time for Italian clubs to just question him. Counting Vicario that's three starters and a 21 year squad player out of Italy that were told they weren't in their teams plans going forward so Spurs got them for nothing basically. Destiny and Romero are both key players, but their transfers make a lot more sense to me. The big teams in Italy rarely if ever give young players a chance, and even after they do a coaching change means giving up on all the talent signing 30 years on frees instead. It makes no sense at all. The only reason Juve are even playing their VERY talented youngsters is because they had so many injuries early on they had literally no other option. Then something very strange happened... they started winning so the players haven't been cast off yet. Change the coach though and I'm sure teams will stockpile their lineups for the next 10+ years off the Juve youth setup per usual.

@@pulleyfm8585 honestly nah man… look at juve for example? Miretti came into the team at 19, fagioli was 21 as a starter, yildiz is 18. Cambiasso is young too. Nonge is like 18-19 hes getting minutes as is iling jr. Inter is another story and ac milan is planning to incorporate its u23 players into the first team as well. If anything thats changing at a rapid pace tbh. And you won’t find Italian clubs spending that much in one season. Its not a lot individually but it is collectively. Juve let dragusin walk because he wasnt good in a juve shirt plain and simple. I watched him he wasnt good neither was kulusevski. Romero never got a chance and he is a good cb but hes also reckless at times and is card prone. Not what you want in crucial moments like finals. Destiny udogie sold for around 20-30 mln. In italy you can sign a star player for that kind of money. Cambiasso was no where near that price and is one of the best wingbacks in the league. Vicario went to spurs because this past summer italian clubs couldn’t afford him. The harsh truth is that rn inter is in so much debt they cant spend 17 mln especially after signing frattesi and taking on more wages. They wont get punished bc they never do. You’re also basing your analysis on these players on how they have performed in epl. In that list of players only 2 were quality in serie a: udogie and vicario. The rest of them each flopped at juventus. And again I would know because i watched all of their games. Every single one. And right now id say with the exception of napoli and milan. The italian clubs have grown quite a bit. Mous roma didn’t perform well but its squad is full of top talent. Lazio under sarri is much of the same. Fiorentina is now competing for top 4. Atalanta is still a good side although not what they were 4 years ago maybe. Even a team like bologna is in the runnings for top spots. Juve and inter are top sides anywhere in world football rn. And theres only more to come. Like i said theyre signing within the league and theyre not going for 30 year olds. Juve and inter were battling over frattesi whos 23. Baldanzi is another top target hes early 20s. If anything juve is only signing youth rn only lile adzic for example. Thaigo djalo for their first team is their only jan signing for the first team and hes 23. The youth projects emerging in italy are just things you dont know about. But they are becoming the norm because they cant make big money signings. Juves youth project in particular is one of the best in the world and recruits the top prospects from within academies. And its evident on the pitch as players who arent even 24 are challenging for the scudetto. If you havent been watching i strongly advise you do because since life was injected back into the league this has been the best season yet and the most competitive across the board. Youd be surprised at just how good the quality of play is. Its v different to epl and is v v tactical and imo domestic games are more entertaining to watch especially the smaller teams because they tend to be more intense. Like i watched genoa vs salernitana recently and it was one of the most intense games ive seen all year. Pippo inzaghi vs gilardino in management as well and both world cup winners, ucl winners, and former team mates.

@@Coolbeans1492 Romero won Serie A defender of the year, That's why he cost money compared to the rest.

In a sense, they're not "using" people's taxes. Tax breaks allows those football teams to operate at tighter margins while improving performance. This in turn allow the sector to attract more business in form of sponsorship, ticket sales, merch purchases, etc. All of those (inteded to) ended up recouping the lost revenue from sectoral tax break by taxing the economic activities generated. e.g AC Milan recently turned profit for the first time in nearly two decades due to sponsorship and media deals, with some of those get taxed either directly (corp tax) or indirectly (when they spend it on workforce, players, and club renovations). Note that oppositions against Growth Decree never really argued about cost to taxpayers, since its pretty trivial to dismiss that argument by showing the recouped income due to increase in competitiveness. The main argument against the rule is that it was applied discriminatively (only affect post-2020 signing) and damaging indigenous talent growth due to cheaper cost of "importing" outside talent. As for laypeople, the one affected the most in terms of taxes is actually football fans. Since a shift in competition's prestige would more likely to affect their spending pattern as opposed to those who are not interested in football.

whilst i agree with the sentiment of your argument, im going have to say your last point is wide off the mark. Yes there are people that don't like football (duh) however the number that do is huge and in Italy especially where football is recognised as its national sport, your analogy is dead wrong. They'd be paying for a circus in which the majority will be attending.

The growth degree was not intended for football. Ans was not revoked for football. It Just happened tò also benefit football clubs.

The growth degree was not intended for football. Ans was not revoked for football. It Just happened tò also benefit football clubs.

The growth degree was not intended for football. Ans was not revoked for football. It Just happened tò also benefit football clubs.

What time would that be?

​@@miguel261998bro thinks where he lives is the correct time to broadcast.

​@@miguel261998 I was about to ask the same question

La Liga doesn't do that but they still perform on European stage.

@@gregoriuspascalis500that’s because 8th place in la liga gets the same amount of tv revenue as winning serie a gives you and la liga clubs have better youth facilities and actually own the stadiums they play in .

As an Italian Serie A fan, the benefits for the national team will realistically be minimal or nonexistent. If a player is good they will emerge, let's be real. The decree was not affecting which players were being invested in the youth sector, since academy players make very little money. This is pretty much just a setback, if anyone who says otherwise they are just lying to themselves.

@@lesscrement1448 if a big club wants a big player, club would buy him no matter what. mostly this would close the route of agents bringing talantess traores and bokayokos from which they get their comission fees making them to focus on actually pushing local talent.

@@lesscrement1448 however good academy tend to belong to a big club, even if talent emerge from local club, they might be bought or scouted directly to the big club. These big clubs also preferred to buy player rather than nurturing them. Talented players needs a good environment to bloom and Growth decree doesn't help them. Perhaps the benefits is minimal like you said, after all if Italy really care, they would invest directly to youth facility like German did in the past.

People in England used to argue that the influx of foreign coaches and players would make the national team worse. In fact, the opposite has happened. Spanish coaches in particular have greatly improved the game and English players, coached by the best and playing with the best have greatly benefitted

@@jontalbot1 nice to hear that! what tournaments did England win after the influx of foreign players and coaches?

Not the most entertaining league, was it? Defensive football?

​@@danfromtheburghbruh u gotta watch the league too instead of making baseless accusations

not with this change, almost like the government want the league to go backwards

In the last 4-5 years Italian football has become far less defensive than before, there are a lot of teams that actually play an attacking and propositional football such as Inter Milan, Bologna, Fiorentina, Atalanta...

It'd be highly improbable, because English language/ culture are too dominant in the world and nobody could forget Calciopoli scandal

The change in law is not retroactive. All benefits remain for any contract signed when the law was in place

​@@TheAzzanellesehis contract was running out in the summer and he asked the board several times to renew it last year

@@TheAzzanellese contracts don't have how much tax u pay mate it's government law evryone with start to pay the new percentage of tax, it depends if the player contact are pre or post tax amounts. They government didn't sign any agreements with the business ,it affects a lot more important Bussiness in Italy than football clubs.

​@@trishennaidoo1309 I think you didnt understand what he meant. Further, it would have been far more logic for Roma to sack Mourinho and hire a new coach before this law expired. Now they have to pay more taxes for the same net amount.

​@@iso460 So what? Mourinho had bad results and got fired. That has nothing to do with Mourinho wanting a new contract. If Roma wanted to save money/taxes they would have sacked him and hired a new coach BEFORE this law expired. Because since 1st January Roma have to pay more taxes for the same amount of net salary.

No player is a billionaire

@@j.s3300 The owners are. But you're right, these players are merely millionaires. That makes them just like you and me?

Who doesn't want tax breaks? Also, rich people tend to get more tax breaks BECAUSE THEIR TAX RATES ARE ALREADY SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER. Middle class and lower classes already pay much lower rates so of course they get less breaks. This dumb rich people are evil thing is getting really old. I bet you're a redditor.

@@gordon1545It has nothing to with benefitting football players. The whole point is to help grow the National League and Serie A clubs, which in return would bring in more tax revenue in the long run

​@gordon1545 Most players aren't. They make lots of money relative to you but they have a 10-15 year long career and can't live off that for the rest of their life. At the same time they spent their lives playing football and have no real life skills to fall back for the next 30-40 years they've got left to live. It's not great being an owner either. For the most part you spend billions on a club with very little return. Only about 0,01% actually go on to make the big money and they are the ones that benefit the most.

Thank you. I’d like to hear more about the internal politics. Why should a resurgent national team not appeal to a right wing nationalist government? Was the failure to advance into the World Cup what sealed the law’s demise?

​@@nicholasadams1283 Weel, it's very complicated But you have only to know this: it's not very different from any Berlusconi's government And not only because there is Forza Italia The main party (Fratelli d'Italia) is considered fascist because it's founded by former member of the MSI (not the PC company), which was founded by Fascist who survived in WW2 And then they worked with Forza Italia also in the 90s and 2000s So, they continues to act as a conservative liberals, with also behind the mentality of the Democrazia Cirstian (for which I suggest you to read about that) Let's conclude with a fun fact: the S in MSI stands for "Sociale", social Because Mussolini was socialist, nearly communist, and so they tried to clean their image This was also one of the main reason of why the Fascism is so popular In conclusion, they are not as patriotic as they would make us believe

Grazie mille. N

lazio is nazio :p I think fifa should set rules on salaries. players like nedved, schevchenko, kaka, etc were able to play well, sell well, even real only bought one star per year. now one player worth more than a whole team. italy was quite efficient with money. now it won't matter.

​@Elenigkioulou1of course my treasure 😄 tell me

90s too, epl started to take over in 2000s

@@mike04574 not really. Laliga was easily best league itw after serie a all the way to 2019 or so

inter literally one of the best teams in europe and you guys still find something to complain about lmao

@@SlimeJime because it would be even bigger if it wasn't for an almost bankrupted previous owner (Moratti) and the stupid ideas of Milan municipality about Stadium. Ever thought about that? Are you even Italian?

The best time was the nineties every team could beat any team in the world

He got sacked

​@@Ninja-gt3zi you lost the best manager in the world, what a shame

@@thatgreyocean631 Yeah, he's so good that he has been sacked from 4 clubs in a row now haha.

He is a good manger not the best but still good for roma​@@Al-ji4gd

Actually makes more sense now

I wouldn't say that's likely to be a big reason. He still gets paid until his contract runs out.

Except it has nothing to do. There is no retroactivity and Mourinho will still get paid until the end of the contract or if he signs for a new club. In Italy, "sacking" doesn't imply firing.

It won't be to do with this change in taxation. The gross cost to the club for Mourinho's salary would still have remained the same, but Mourinho would have taken home less. If anything, this change in rule would have incentivised Mourinho to leave Italy (which he didn't voluntarily), than for the club to sack him.

​@@Numero6dlcr7 is the only one get fired

No it isn't, the grounds are all empty.

@@no1wasgeorgiebest No, they're not lol. Attendances are way up in recent years. 3 Italian teams are in the top 8 for attendances for Europe this season, and there's only 1 English team. The atmosphere at a big Italian game blows anything else out of the water in any other league. England is a graveyard in comparison.

@@jackmurphy6864 But the % attendance across the Serie A is the lowest of the big 5 european leagues.

@@vmfstud5201 % compared to capacity, you mean? Stadiums are far too big in Italy, so that causes that problem. The running tracks around some are terrible too. Serie A's average attendance just over 10 years ago was 21,000. Now it's nearly 30,000. Over the last 10 years, it's: Bundesliga: down 500 per game to 43,000 Epl: up 3,500 per game to 40,000 La Liga: up 2,500 to 29,500 Serie A: up 6,300 to 29,500 Ligue 1: up 2,500 to 23,700 So Serie A has, by far, the largest increase.

@@jackmurphy6864 yes there is a significant increase in Serie A. Hope it will stay this and there will be no other major scandal. But the Bundesliga for example has not much more room for increase. Not with the current teams. The average stadium capacity this season is just above 39.000.

90s were peak Serie A.

by more richer you mean Epl. Serie A is a far better product then La Liga or Bundesliga. Just say you don't watch it, that's fine. It's a fantastic competitive leauge it just doesn't have the marketing budget as the la liga. No one has the money of the EPL, but that is what it is

​@@johnappleseed8146 if serie a is so better why dont they win CL . Go and watch the stadiums of serie a teams , they are collapsing . Nobody wants to play in serie a .

@Vikii2024 serie a doesn't have a psg or real madrid level team anymore, they did in juve and now that they have fallen off there's about 8 teams that genuinely compete for Europe and they can clearly all win games against other teams in other leauges in Europe as shown by Serie A having the most European points this year. Obviously Inter going back to the UCL final would be a great story but it was never realistic... they don't have the spending power of other elite clubs. Serie A is finally getting most of their big clubs to fix their stadiums but I agree they took too long tho

@@johnappleseed8146 serie a dont have money . Italian economy is also in bad shape .

the stadiums is the important thing I think. If we can finally enter the new millennium with our stadiums our league can be a lot more competitive.

Nope. Vlahovic doesn't have the benfit, since he already played in italy. Osimhen probably. But the Law is only since january, and doesn't touch the previous contracts. Inter could have been in troubles, because they signed thuram and pavard, who are pai9d somethign like 6 million each. With the law they cost 15 million, without i think they should cost 18 or so.

On top of what the other guy said up here^^^ Vlahovic and Juventus doesn't really have this problems, because they are owned by one of the biggest business conglomerate in Europe and in the world, they are not so different from clubs owned by sheiks, and that is the reason why juventus was stll fine even before this tax law, and why it was dominating Serie A when every other clubs were struggling during those years.

Osimhen has a buy out clause of €130M he just signed into his contract extension. Someone shows up with that cash, nothing Napoli can do to keep him. Unless he sustains a bad injury the rest of this season, he’s headed to EPL in the summer.

How can you support a different country?

​@@fullspeedaheadbarcelona6502 Because your own never makes it to tournaments 😢

We'll MAYBE see the effects only after 10 years, if the italian fottball will resist this time.

Thank you for your support, hi from Italy 🇮🇹👋

My totally brother

Serie a clubs also make millions of losses every season. Last season was the first time Milan was profitable in 17 years. It's a much more nuanced conversation than just serie a clubs making less money .

@@filler6749 yes Serie A teams make less TV/Ad revenue money due to them not being good at marketing their football to Arabs, Africans, Asians, Americans etc and not turning their stadiums into amusement parks for milkcow families. There are still a few countries in Europe where football is a sport, not a product to sell like McDonald's burgers. However, the problem is still FIFA's application of their rules, that allow a mid-table PL team to spend 200 million euros in transfers without selling any player, while most of the other teams in Europe have to adhere to strict regulations.

FIFA does not have FFP rules, UEFA does and even then it only applies to teams competing in European competition. I don't believe Serie A even has domestic spending rules and restrictions so clubs are free to mismanage themselves however they see fit unlike the Premier League which has its own profit and sustainability rules. Premier League teams are not in violation of PSR and those that are have been heavily punished.

@@MichaelH3948 Let's see when Manchester City will be heavily punished then. I have not seen it yet!

@@bosco7837 You'll have to wait for their scheduled hearing date. The number and complexity of the charges means investigations take a long time

Unfortunately, salary caps across Europe are never going to work unless you specifically say that players also aren't allowed to make money from other things. If you put a limit on salaries, clubs with rich investors will simply find external ways to get that additional money to players, usually through stuff like sponsorships. It's a method that has no bite at all.

Even with the tax break, many people who emigrated aren't that willing to head back to Italy to see their salaries halved (even if you pay less tax). Footballers are a tiny part of the people this changed was aimed to. It was meant for researchers, company executives, young entrepreneurial talent who instead emigrates to other countries and leaves Italy with a loss on their educational investments.

Italy has one of the best economies at the moment if not the best

pretty sure he didn't mean it

Molto bene

No, the change in law is not retroactive

No it's not. It was third year mourinho

despicable

From what I can tell, that tax break only applies to income you earn from sources outside of Italy. You'd still pay the full Italian tax rate for any income you earn from sources inside Italy itself, including any Italian football clubs.

​@@Vescirothso top Italian players are instead incentivised to play abroad? Lol.

@@natebernasconi no, because in doing so would mean they are not resident or working in Italy, thus don't pay Italian tax...

@@aldobonaso3481 lol, true, I didn't think that through well enough at the time 😄 Playing within the Shengen Zone might offer some kind've loophole there but as an Australian back living in Australia I probably have better things to do this summer's day that look up those laws.

traditions don;t pay the bills and keeps you in the stone age.

@@ifldiscovery8500 my team plays in third tier. Most fans don't care what league.. they just support... and that's the difference to clubs which are attracting fans from all over the world. Instead of supporting FC Delhi or Johannesburg, people identify with a EPL club....

Atalanta won the EL

@@NoName-hg6cc I concentrate on the UCL because that is the one that really matters!

@@nikolaivista920 All cups matter

@@NoName-hg6cc Stop making excuses! The UCL is the grandaddy of them all and since no Serie A team has won it since 2009-10, you want to make the other ones as relevant! You can't! No one can! The other cups in Europe are there just because FIFA execs want their money. Europa League is a consolation prize and everyone knows that.

@@nikolaivista920 It's not an excuse! Or is it that your team hasn't won it in recent years so it doesn't count?

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No? I mean, i italy there are only 2/3 clubs which own their own stadium. For a big club like AC Milan it's esteemed like 60 million less per year. And generally most italian clubs had "hard" financial blances before covid, and the covid worsened it because we lost all tickets revenue. The sponsors money kinda sucks (main sponsor payes like 30/35 million per year to top clubs, with the exception of juventus. Juventus was paid 50 million by jeep, but Jeep it's owned by a major shareholder, john Elkann). We also have tv rights in free fall (we passed from 900 million/year from Dazn to 600 million /year till 2029 from dazn).

@@eazyez5717it’s actually the opposite Dazn and Sky will pay 1 billion till 2019 before it was 930 millions plus international tv rights are increasing too.

Only the Tifo IRL channel.