The End Of Jr Engineers Response 

Man, this is dark. Hope we all find a place to contribute meaningfully in the tech space. Praying.

😂

halting problem

Freelance, freelance, freelance, and don't quit your day job.

Create your own job ...

The harder you work, the better prepared you are when an opportunity arises! Hence the feeling of being lucky

keep on keeping on brother. You've got this

Your phrase reminds me of one of my favourite Protest the Hero lyrics: "Diligence is the mother of good luck" which I think applies quite well to this topic

Hope youll get there,man never let down just act wise in adversities

you can’t work while you are unemployed though

Can you please give plumber video

Hey bro, you helped me get a job by reinforcing the effort required. Thank you!!!

@@BusinessWolf1 that is awesome. 🙂

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Same here. After getting every certificate I still can't get a job. I feel it couldn't be the worst time to get into it... I mean if you have a degree great you're probably going to get a job. But idk about boot camp to programmer...

Don't believe the hype bros saying that AI will take all the jobs. AI is more likely to replace middle management than engineers. Keep working hard, it will be worth learning!

Same here. 39 started to code. Very difficult to get a job, especially because I have a terrible CV (but very great coding skills with real projects to back this statement up).

​@@paulholsters7932 How is your CV terrible if you have real projects?

It's hard to find jobs for anyone right now. I am a Staff Engineer getting close to 30 years of experience and stay very current with tech. I've been blind applying to jobs and only one callback. Recently I posted on LinkedIn to my huge network of people and have gotten a lot of responses. I think this will be the lifeline that gets me back into a job; not being choosy so I'll probably end up in a Sr role again. Just need to get income again and figure out the rest later.

don't bother, the survivorship bias keeps the hopes n dreams alive and strong

You are right. Section 174 is*

Eventually there will be no more Sr. Level developers because you can’t get experience as a Jr.

Man all this shit people have to go through to find work is bullshit. I stopped looking for a job, I'm learning to code for codes sake and to build things people can use. All the HR games, and such is total bullshit. Yes I can see why companies would not hire a JR but you have to start somewhere and the fact is if everyone told the truth. Many jr devs will go YEARS and never find work, and some may NEVER get a job at all. It's all down to whom you know and can they get you in the door. For most people it's a total waste of time.

This is currently happening where I work too, I felt that team shrinkage hard man….our org got a new tech lead and bro said no junior devs in the entire org like huh 😂, and guess what? Does the work get split? Nope. 5 people getting work that should be split between around 10 people.

All CS people are exemplary learners. Based on this, any one struggling to get hired should pivot to another industry for one to three years. They will learn quickly, excel at it, promote fast, pay their bills, pick up new skills, and when (if) the industry returns to normal, they can flow back in.

@@xCheddarB0b42x Another problem is those AI stars telling ppl not to pursue CS since "programmers" will no longer be needed ;). So current CS students may be good in 2-3 years but definetly CS and IT is no longer considered one of better career paths that it used to be, so less ppl will try to pursue it, leaving the issue of lack of workforce still valid imo...Again...more work for us :)

The reality though is that even if a company did train juniors, there would still be a lack of seniors for that company.. because the number of seniors around is an industry wide problem, but whether or not juniors are being trained is a company decision. An individual company will have basically no effect on the industry as a whole, so from their perspective there is no upside to training juniors (whether that particular company trains juniors or not will have no measurable effect on the cost of seniors either now or in the future). Companies don't make decisions because of what effect it has on the industry as a whole, they make decisions based only off of what effects it has on their company - doing things otherwise would be like asking a person to take a pay cut so that other people that have nothing to do with them can get extra money. Framing it as a "companies are so short-sighted" is just not accurate. Companies that care about long term growth would still make the same decision, because it's basically asking the company to act like a charity where they suffer the losses so that someone else can profit off of it.

@@asdfqwerty14587 Its not a charity, its an investment. This is a never ending cycle, we lack seniors, but we dont want to invest and train juniors to become seniors and the cycle goes on...good for me i can negotiate higher rates :)

@@asdfqwerty14587 the one issue that I see if there are no juniors there will not be any seniors.

To be fair, he's a pretty talented engineer/designer who used to work at AMD as a microprocessor designer and went through hard times building nVidia up to be the powerhouse they are now. During nVidia's hardest times in the late 90s, he would have contributed more as an engineer/designer than as a fancy tech founder. His talent and experience don't prevent him from making misleading statements that benefit him and his company, though.

@@r.k.vignesh7832 that, and in spite of his background, being removed from that involvement due to his role, means he's not in touch with where things are really at. Again, ignore that noise.

Altman also said "don't bother training your own AI..." - it's almost if there's a conflict of interest in the advices

what’s the context? why did he say to stop?

@@splashjayy Because AI will code for us, thanks to the great GPUs his company sells...

Heck yeah dude! That's awesome!

2 and a half years ago the market was very different. Even a sponge would get hired as a junior SWE back then.

Nonetheless, kudos to you. I wasn't lucky enough to get in the market at that time.

@@sohigh7433 I got my job less than a year ago.

@@sohigh7433 wtf dude

I'm really happy for you. I'm getting to the wondering stage. Began at 30, currently 32 and still applying

Give me a little hope, I've been jobless for a year and a half, studied software dev, but no where is hiring junior devs, and companies are laying people off a bunch, I'm just slowly working on projects but it's been a struggle, gpt has helped with learning and direction but it's still a struggle

lfg! show em how its done matty!

Glad you decided to get back to me, that has been me, going back and fourth before committing. The only regret is believing that I was too late, it kept me from starting in my late twenties. Then I finally decided to start seriously at 35.

@@CodingAfterThirty I've always had the mantra that it'll be X years later anyway. Might as well do the thing instead of waiting

Sorry for my english is bad..What is your job now?

@@AbdomohamedEssam lead software dev

What made you change your mind? What did you do before?

@@DingleFlop well I can give my answer to that question. I was a physics major before dropping out for a number of reasons. Spent the next 10 years waiting tables. I went into SWE because it’s the only field in the math/science realm that will hire you based on what you can do (and because I can feel my body wearing down.) No insurance company will hire you as an actuary because you could solve math problems in the interview. You can buy textbooks on OChem, high mathematics, physics, etc. and teach them all to yourself, but nobody will sift through pages of notes and solved problems to vet you for a job. Coding might be the only thing you can do 100% on your own-and with enough effort you can even do it for free (minus the cost of a laptop.) I can literally print MIT’s entire CS curriculum and upload a github project for every line that definitively proves I have that skill. edit: I was 29 when I did a bootcamp-mostly so I had something to put on my resume and for their hiring services. It concluded 2 days before I turned 30. All-in-all, it was overpriced and not as helpful as I’d hoped. However it did at least keep me focused on technologies relevant to the job market (React, various ORM and database tech, etc.) I also restricted my job search down to remote-only jobs, so that made things more difficult. I was 33 by the time I got hired. From 30-33 I decided to bite the bullet and just learn C#. That let me go after jobs with less competition. I absolutely despise Visual Studio, but the language itself is much nicer than I thought it would be-happy I chose it over Java. Plus I can spend my free time learning to make games

@@DingleFlop I was a production worker. Operating automated production lines, some maintanence etc. I just got bored, I felt like there was no growth. But I'm based in Europe and worked for a big Japanese corporation (the manufacturing job) and they agreed to pay for my IT education. Then I got fired by them in the last year of study and had to look for a new job so I decided to aim high and went for Software Engineering jobs. Had no experience to speak of. Eventually I had a choice of 3 employees that wanted to sign a contract with me. Went with a small strat-up bussines. This might not have been the best choice but hindsight is 20/20. Now I'm negotiating to part ways on good terms. I think Europe has not yet reached the IT saturation that US seemingly has.

What six figure plus entry level field aren’t saturated?!

It doesn't have to be saturated. When given a choice between 5 dollars and 10 dollars for free, people will always choose 10 (or both if you wanna defeat the philosophical point :P ). Companies will always maximize for the best bang of their buck, just like consumers do. It's just the way it works. And here's another hot take: It was always like that. People switched careers FROM programming TO something else because they realized how much work they have to put in to keep themselves updated since 2005. This isn't new.

No. Rather, it's a fieId in constant fIux, in which you can onIy succeed Iong term if you're constantIy up to date. AIot of the buzzwords used in recruitment ads 5 years ago are no Ionger used in current ads. The tech stacks ways of working that we aII used a coupIe of years back are painfuIIy out of styIe at this point. There's no chance you can keep up with it unIess you have a deep passion for the fieId. And with deep passion I'm taIking stuff Iike you're doing dev as a hobby on top of your work, you're freeIy and wiIIingIy thinking about IT-related stuff on your vacation and consuming videos and commenting on them. If you're not deepIy passionate about IT when you're working in IT, the business wiII eventuaIIy eat you aIive.

@@GackFinder100% agree , the issue is people take CS just to make web pages . It makes no sense . They have no interest in how an OS works , they hate Linux and CLI, they think SQL is stoopid, they think database normalization is boring , they think IT and cable is BELOW THEM..they think the cloud is just a term . They have no interest in CS books , no interest in learning more . Why did you chose this career if you don’t like IT ????

@@ci6516 honestly, its like everyone just keeps repeating the same "front-end developer" bs over and over again in my college and its annoying. a dude walked in and saw me working on a project and asked me why I'm using a weird os (I was using cmake on Linux ) and telling me to drop c++ bc its old... I've come to the conclusion that lot of cs majors don't actually care about COMPTER science.. they just want to learn react and be a random frontend dev somewhere and THOSE are the ppl that wont get anywhere

Lol, I still feel like I am the dumbest person in the room, that is why I keep learning things everyday. But for that is the fun part about coding.

​@@CodingAfterThirtyAfter 15 years, I still feel dumber than many of my coworkers. For me, it's always been about finding at least *one* unique value add. Sometimes that's finding the part of the stack everyone hates and learning the shit out of it. Others it's been focusing on being the guy the client team/product team can ask questions and ensuring they get answers/solutions. Whatever it is, I know I'm useful without dealing with imposter syndrome or constant "competition".

I think you have an off-by-one error there. 😉

Way back in early 2000s I was a fresh graduate civil engineer. I was immediately headhunted by an IT company, even if I my only encounter of code was from 2 semesters of very basic C and C++. Career shifting was heavily pushed. Nowadays, even the smartest CS grads have trouble finding a job. Way back then, training was handed out, for free, just so companies can get more workers. Nowadays, we have to be skilled enough to hit the ground running

Do u have open position for full stack typescript dev ?

In the executive mind, they will come from unpaid internships.

Yes, they are supposed to spawn in and work for 1/5 of their original salary

The implication is that there's enough already to stay alive long enough to replace them all with more advanced models

I am so sorry man.

thats sucks :((

I have been rejected my so many companies when starting out, and my first dev job payed me 13.75 per hour, I worked there for one year in a half while working part time at a super market to make my ends meet, after year and a half my next job offered be 80k. Not saying folks should do what I did, but I was willing to do what it takes to make it.

sounds like you have a skill problem then, everyone can get jobs with no problem

bruh

objectively false, but alright.

"everyone can get jobs with no problem" That's just objectively false.

I used to work as a mason doing stone work, I really loved it. But then I fell in love with coding.

Companies will fire you in the blink of an eye, the second there's a downturn. It'll be ruthless. You owe no company your loyalty because they are not loyal to you.

⁠@@aisle_of_viewIt’s not about loyalty to a company. It’s about not burning bridges. Ultimately companies are run by people. You don’t give notice because of company “loyalty”, you do it because you want to keep future opportunities open or you want to ease the transition for coworkers

@@aisle_of_view Oh absolutely yes. And I treat them as such. Perhaps the lack of full context doesn't convey why it was that bit more meaningful in this case, sorry about that.

By 2028, AI is going to be decent. By 2034, it could be AGI time.

I couldn't agree with you more! When wealthy mom and dad both pass away, typically at around 85 - 90 y/o, the 60-70 y/o child will receive a large inheritance and them become wealthy and live an easy life, but that 60 y/o nepo baby probably will stop have a fulfilling life.

@@donaldlee6760 Well you are being stupid on purpose. But typically, these kids get money and everything else they might need from their parents. Generally including a diploma and a job as a "manager" of some kind in daddy's (or daddy's friend's) company, and/or a few million to start their own company (but don't tell anyone, they're "self-made"!)

I mean even having educated parents is an insane advantage

I actually started programming at 22 also, I am 24 now and still thugging it out here. Hoping to start applying for jobs next year.

Let's go, you got this.

You got this man! ❤

what were we cherry picking? I just made a video about some random dude who strugled to get hired just recently got hired.

Painting the narrative “Don’t worry, look, it pays off” by casually visiting like 5 people who reported things randomly working out is a definitionally non representative sample, it’s cherry picking. Call it unintentional cherry picking if you want, the misrepresentation is still there.

Primeagen is awesome.

@CodingAfterThirty you gotta give yourself some credit too lol. You advocate for the same positive message

@@ZeKermet 🙂

OMG. So, who is the Jon Lovitz that provide balance? That I gotta see.

I have principles and i have a character

I just disagree with being an American way of thinking, this is just liberal thinking.

Agreed 100%, personally I only want the bag because I have to live somehow. All of my other hobbies involve doing some private small things that I wouldn't base my career on (playing guitar, playing games, travelling, doing sports, learning languages, learning maths/physics) - could I possibly find something in these areas? Yeah maybe, but for 2x less pay + I believe that by making a hobby my career I would lose the passion for that thing (that's my personal thing)

I'm from eastern europe and being a dev is like one of the jobs that at least pay well and you can live normal life. And it wasn't my dream job at all, but doing art is never going to have same financial return as development is. This does really sound as a very privileged life, every time I hear people say "do what you love long enough and you will have great job and fulfilling life" it always rubs me the wrong way.

I don't think that is what he meant, but I do agree with you, your job is not your fulfillment. I had many different jobs from construction to now coding, and I found fullfilment from all of them.

It's because he doesn't see palestinians as human beings, it's the same with lots of white people and jews. They simply can't have empathy and compassion for darker skinned people.

Industries are hedging their bets on an AGI breakthrough in the next ten years

@@aisle_of_view That's a dangerous gambit on their part.

All it takes is one company to give you a break. Then make friendships with your fellow developers, when they jump to other companies they'll recommend you. And you do the same for them. That's how it works. Be easy to work with, don't be the guy your colleagues regret seeing in the morning.

You will get it. It is more about networking than anything else.

Use AI to sound better

Great advice. Build connection, and relationships, you will know which will lead to your next opportunity.

Every 6 to 12 months I try to find a new job I get it in around 2 to 3 weeks max, how is it so hard 🤔🤔I literally apply on LinkedIn on the many jobs there and get calls most of times the same day for interviews.

I worked on Full-stack, mostly React for past 8 years.

​@@ΣτάθηςΣταθόπουλος-σ7ρbecause you have 8 years of experience? This video is about juniors 🤷

Exactly, I’m about to graduate college with a year of experience and I’m not getting any responses

It took me years, it is not easy, but the one thing that helped me is meeting folks that already work in tech who were my friends and asking them for referrals.

Prime is awesome.

I am afraid AI bubble will burst so hard, 2008 will be nothing in comparison :)...the amount of money sinked into AI atm is staggering

Yeah, basically just empty yapping from people that don't know. LLMs are flawed by design, but a lot of people still don't realize that.

Very true.

Today, that's certainly the case. Ten years from now?

The skill of replying to a 7min video in half hours and adding massive value in the process. I learned more from my video from watching Primeagen.

Leather jacket guy has to say stuff like that or his investors will get insecure and jump ship or the price of the stock might go down. These CEOs say these things to benefit their bottom line. Remember Elizabeth Holmes?