The End of the Ender 7 

Good job Creality for responding. Maybe you guys could make a v2 that addresses these issues and either discontinue the current ender 7 or lower the price.

That's some weirdly poetic phrasing, but kudos! ;)

@@FAB1150 Chinglish is a fun language, but we get the intention, I'm and honestly surprised they responded.

just the fact that a company sends a second printer to someone who literally cut off a piece of the first one, already shows the seriousness and concern of the company in listening to its customers, and even responding to a video with many criticisms, however constructive already earns credits to the In my opinion, that's why I really like creality, and I hope they keep it that way!

@@jeanicezinho kind of hard to call someone with his followers and prominence in the 3DP world a “customer.”

@@user-yk1cw8im4h daddy, chill.

ITS CHEP!

lolol

@@user-yk1cw8im4h, let's compare your channel with Chep's channel to see who has more authority to say something about 3d printers... 🤣

I've labelled configurations, profiles, etc. for my printer "Ended3" since it was built (almost) stock out of the box.

Agree.

Well the failure was in a live stream.. you can not do much get this out of the world. I do agree though, a lot of reviewers would simply delete the stream and keep silent about it.

Prove it. I certainly don't watch a single channel without honesty and I wouldn't think there are that many more established ones out there. I have to say this again and again, if you ever grow up you'll realise that someone having a different opinion on a product or having a different experience with it than yourself or others doesn't mean they're being dishonest or biased, it's called reality where we aren't all clones of eachother and each product which comes out of a factory is slightly different as a result of a million factors.

They don't do it because they make money from referral links, and bad machines don't sell. So they don't get money from true those referral links. Hope that Joel can keep this going, because we need more people like him!

of course the problem is, until a Chanel reaches the dizzy heights of 3dPN where a manufacturer HAS to have a review on it or be properly critical for fear of not getting free review printers, accessories, filament ets ect and other manufacturers throwing freebies their way... Having been given a glimpse of the whole process, and having experienced the "reviewer private conversations" including all the faults they have found and the replacement parts and even complete printer replacements being sent to them before review release, and then the reviews which appear that mention NONE of this behind the scenes chatter and shenanigans I would advise buyers wait till REAL USERS start posting real user reviews to find out the truth. I always knew it would be happening and Makers Muse blew the lid on it some time ago, but until you witness it first hand there is always doubt, but no doubt for me now. The printer I reviewed was damn near perfect, and I said so, had I not thought so I would have said because I really dont have the time, the inclination , nor the desire for any more printers to review free or otherwise so I had nothing to loose. And reviews on a manufacturers site, not worth a shit unless it is a third party review system such as trust pilot etc, even those CAN be manipulated in the startup phase at least. All manufacturer website reviews are vetted by the manufacturer and if the review does not meet their needs it will not appear on the site end of story.. Buyer beware, its a corrupt system..

That's why i can't recommend creality to anyone anymore. In 2018 they were a great deal. Nowadays anycubic Vyper, Artillery Genius, TwoTrees Sapphire, Creativity Elf, Tronxy x5sa and so many other printers smash theirs into the ground.

Like I always tell everyone, just skip chinese 💩

@@krnxemb nope. anycubic, Tronxy, Sovol and Artillery are perfect examples of good chinese printers. What you're saying is just ignorant. Just because one chinese sucks ass and pays reviewers, doesn't mean all are like that

@@munzlp you think you are being such fair and just consumer, right? just look how much WE, the none-ccp people continue to contributing to the ccp controlled chinese product development. Of course, it has gotten much better, and it should be good enough by now. they take our investment make cheap, inconsistent, land-filling trash. And now, YOU are totally dependent on them. we came too far, but better now then later dude. See how they r creeping up the cost?

@@krnxemb yup, chinese printers are getting more and more expensive. That's mainly because the EU's extra tax + the actual QC being paid at these companies

I heard all Enders need the tinkerer to buy a premium 3rd party bedsurface . I also heard you need to print custom fanducts for the Prusa MK3 so the cooling works properly. Are these just myths?

@@TremereTT I’ve owned many Enders and never owned a premium 3rd party bed surface. I’ve only had to replace one, and replaced it with a $20 and they’ve been just fine. Wish I could speak to the Mk3, but can’t say it’s been my experience with the Ender line.

@@TremereTT You surely don't need any additional purchases or prints for mk3s to work properly. I have been printing with it for around a year and apart from self inflicted problems and one bad filament I never had any problems caused by the machine.

I flipped the textured side down and use it as a basic glass plate. Much better.

The glass beds from creality benefit largely to being g scrubbed with dish soap and a sponge under hot water. They have a coating of some sort on them that seems to be finicky but once well washed they work great. That's been my experience at least.

The pattern-coated glass plates need to be completely free of any kind of oil from your hands. One touch from a finger and you have a spot that won't adhere. A little IPA works wonders. I totally agree about temperature and drafts.

Try a sheet of G10 (as per Maker's Muse) or Polycarbonate (relatively cheap). For the latter, scuff it up with sandpaper.

I used Elmer’s purple stick glue and get good bed adhesion. Drys clear and sticks well. I have a glass bed. Glass bed at 60c for PLA.

100% agree.

Same happened with my Ender 3 absolutely nothing worked out of box and their rather crappy customer support was just garbage great first experience with 3D printing huh? If I wanted my 200 back I had to send the thing to China just so it could be what? Scrapped I'd be out almost 300 if I did that.

I totally agree. I started 3D printing in December for the first time, bought a CR6 Max for $900 and I thought I was buying a premium printer. That was far from "reality" heh. Thankfully, I bought it from Microcenter with the protection plan and was able to return it for store credit. I have a Prusa Mk3 now and couldn't be happier, took me 10 hours to build it myself

I'm not sure if Creality works the same as DJI, another Shenzhen based Chinese company, but when I worked there I saw that each product had different leadership, goals, and connections to the CEO. Some products simply had a much more powerful team and therefore got more budget etc. I wonder if it's similar at Creality.

I used an ender 3v2 for 2 months from amazon, kept having problem every 2-3 days. Returned it and bought a prusa mk3s+. It's been printing flawlessly for more than a year with out a problem, I trust this machine so much it's insane. I don't even trust my ratrig v-core 3 as much as I trust my prusa yet hahaha

I guess we have the same word in Norwegian: Æsj!

Crap, I was going to attach a video of a print I just started on my Ender 7 with no tape or glue stick but no option to add video in comments.

@@robb2465 post it to youtube and then provide link?

@@roll4stealth671 yo nice icon

@@mistaecco favorite pokemon lol

This wouldn't be the first time a major 3d printing channel "reviews/gives thoughts on" a printer only to have some in the community to say they have had great success with that printer. Makers muse had nothing but bad things to say about the ender 3 only to have the community price him wrong which caused him to do another video about it.

I think they are way better at scouting the community to find ideas to implement than to develop their own ones. Do they really have excellent ideas? what is their original design/idea/contribution? On the other hand, implementation is sometimes a great success of theirs : they really managed to improve the quality of the entry level printers AND lower the ticket.

@@AudreyRobinel I have yet to hear of a Creality printer that does not require some sort of 'fix' right out of the box, whether that is replacing a bad part, replacing a poor quality part, replacing a poorly designed part, or altering firmware. This is what I mean by bad implementation. On the other hand, I believe in concept, most of their printers are good.

yes you are correct as i have found that out also so i have 2 glass beds and a magnetic one for my enders 3v2 so when using wood filament i use the magnetic bed, and for Pla plus I take of the top part of the magnetic build plate and put the glass bed on top of the magnetic bottom part that is stuck to the main build plate and never get a problem with adhesion

Thanks man!

Exactly. It may not have the best print finish, not by a long shot, but it can produce the exact same prints with exactly the same finish every single time. It's also a printer you can just start and then ignore.

Same here.

Did same upgrade with my Ender 6 but I also bought cylindrical rubber to use instead of springs underneath the bed. Now I can rely on it more.

@@hammerfallen12345 interesting idea can you post a link here for what you used?

@@Exploringthepositive Tried to send link but it seems as it got removed by youtube

Yes

or i could spend the same money on a prusa and get amazing quality after a fresh kit build... but go on...

@@angelusmortis3256 I bought the Ender 7. So, I have to go through this to get the best out of it. But, it gave me enough of a chance to learn many new things. But if you want the best out of the box, sure you have options.

It's a fun idea but just more free marketing for creality imo, who failed to deliver a working product to start with.

@@MakersMuse possibly but in the end it would showcase the short comings of the machine and a final round up video could compare the cost of making the 7 print well vs other options - how much do you need to spend to reliably print 250mm/s. It could be entertaining and useful content and by starting the video with a reminder of the previous poor performance vs where you are going with it I don't think it will provide any undo positive publicity for this particular machine. It's not a dis on the brand they make other machines that work at a reasonable price this one just fell short of its overconfident advertising. But hey just an idea.

That's great! I'm very happy to hear it works for you!

Yeah, i will enjoy do that, i have 2 ender3 , 1 cr10 , 1 phonton mono x , and i change /repair all of them , i learn a lot doing that , i think this machines are good for making then better

Creality does not give a damn about fixing its products. They just care about flooding the market with subpar printers. Ask Naomi Wu, she used to work for them, she fought tooth and nail to make Creality put out good printers and designed the CR-30 for them. But now she left the company because basically during all that time, she was fighting the mediocrity on each level, the CR-6 SE specifically was the final nail in the coffin according to all her (numerous) tweets about it. It's pointless, the company is good for the trash bin, as are most of their printers. Out of their whole lineup only the Ender 3s1, Ender 5 Plus, CR-10v2 pro, CR-10 V3 and CR-30 are good, but those are sold at an enormous price compared to better alternatives from other brands where you don't have to run and change parts like the extruder on the very first day.

Def a good base for upgrades at that bargain price

Great story but it's probably just that, a story. My CR6SE worked perfect out of the box and I'm not alone in that experience.

My only printer for 2 years was an Ender 3 Pro. Now have a Prusa i3 MK3S+….haven’t even thought of my modded/upgraded Ender 3 since assembling the Prusa lol. Can’t do Creality machines anymore tbh.

The S1 *is* really good - review coming soon :)

I'm loving the S1 as well. I was negative on it when I got my first one, but figured it had some issues do to shipping. When I got my 2nd one in, bed leveled perfectly and has been solid since, nice and smooth. The only thing I don't like are how the wheels under the bed fray as I have to clean it (and I made sure they aren't too tight), but other than that, it's a solid printer imo.

The Ender 7 feels like such a massively flubbed product. They had a perfect opportunity to make a cost optimized Voron Trident (automated tri point bed leveling) and they just made a excessively chonky Hypercube that works worse

That SR is so cool!

The gantry can sag as its only supported on one side... 😕

S1 is great!