Haha that guy, Captain can you tell whose ship it is by its warp signature, no sir but I know it's Romulan, how can you tell Chekhov, I can see it on big screen
Unfortunately Joanne Linville just died yesterday at age 93. RIP and thanks for the amazing, intense performance as the Romulan commander. She sure really sunk her teeth into that role and made it very strong.
Wow, I thought she Passed away yrs ago! But still this is a good long time to live, and I am sure she had plenty of Great Memories and Movies under her belt! Such amazing News that she just passed away recently, and that's OK! I REALLY ENJOYED THAT EPISODE OF SPOCK HAVING A SORT OF FLING WHILE SPYING AND MILITARY ESPIONAGE!!! WOW!!! THANK YOU FOR TELLING US THIS FACT! SHE WAS A TRULY GREAT ACTOR!!!
For some reason, whenever I see classic Trek with the Original species you see in later franchises, my mind always goes back to that scene with Lt. Worf saying about why Klingons look so different: "We don’t discuss it with outsiders"
That was dumb. Like Worf seeing a group of Korean men and then wonders why those earthlings look so different from a Russian man and Checkov answers "we don't discuss it with outsiders". SMH Horrible clumsy awareness of species and culture.
@@paulpolpiboon9535 I thought it was the absolute best explained retcon in Star Trek lore when it was revealed in ST:Enterprise the Klingons had tried to nefariously use genetically modified human DNA and it backfired. ST:E was greatly unrated Star Trek. And far superior to what Alex Kurtzman craps out.
@@paulpolpiboon9535 actually it’s because Klingons don’t like to discuss it in public, they consider it embarrassing thing. Now you wouldn’t want to talk about your embarrassing moments?
@@bostonrailfan2427 It's not "good" because it's old. Spock would tear you a new one for that horribly flawed logic. TOS is great because of its imaginative story ideas in an era of heavy network censorship, its brilliant writing, and the wonderful performances that made the show so inspiring to so many, across cultures, around the world. That's why 50+ years later it's still unsurpassed.
I love the 'knowing' look between Kirk and Spock when the Romulans agreed to simultaneous transport. ( Well Spock, so far so good. We get on board their ship...and they give us two Romulan uniforms).
@@vinsvids1 Besides this, I like "The Tholian Web", "Wink of an Eye" and "Plato's Stepchildren"; all of which I bought 30 years ago on VHS when they weren't playing it on TV. I later recorded "Day of the Dove."
I love the way Spock says to the Captain basically if he had not ordered them over the neutral zone they wouldn't be in the bloody awful mess they were now in, corr if looks could kill!😡
_"A subspace message will take three weeks to reach Starfleet."_ Going by the Star Fleet Technical Manual, the Romulan Neutral Zone is roughly 4,750 parsecs from Earth. Assuming the Enterprise is well across the zone and inside Romulan space at 6,000 parsecs, the subspace transmission has to be moving at 340360.8 c, or Warp Factor 69.82.
Kirk was under orders from Starfleet Command to investigate Romulan activity along the Neutral Zone, if I remember correctly. He didn't want to lie to his friend, but he needed the crew to believe that he was acting on his own in case they couldn't escape. If under interrogation any member of the Enterprise crew admitted that Kirk was under orders, it would have meant war between the Romulan Star Empire and the Federation.
@@andrewolson5471 I figured it was something like that, I was just saying it was shocking to see Kirk be that uncharastically short with McCoy of all people, who he normally always batners with no matter what he says,
His orders were get cloaking device by any means necessary he refused but was ordered so he came up with insanity defense for Federation AND more importantly his CREW! Of note the cloaking device only worked once after it was equipped on others ships they all exploded! This was attributed to Enterprise being tinkered on by Scotty and host of alien entities which why all the other races wanted her intact! Part of this was covered in the books made from the screen scripts with by word by Roddenberry himself!
Curious why they act like the cloaking device was something new. They already knew about it from season 1- Balance of Terror. DC Fontana should have known better🤔
@@triandfit1 A logical assumption, but the way it was written they never said an improved cloaking device just that they “ have developed a cloaking device”. Could have been written better 😊
That was never explained. TOS wasn't always on top of plot lines, each ep. really functioned as a stand-alone story without much regard to prior events in the series. It's either a glaring oversight or the production team just chose to ignore it.
"We know about certain ships; certain officers." I guess it's plausible that Kirk could be seen as ambitious as he's the youngest Captain and most recently promoted. Somehow (recommended by Pike?) he got a Constitution Class as his first command instead of a lesser starship (which we didn't see in TOS).
@@sandal_thong8631 Others novels have established his prior commands Enterprise was his third ship the first two were smaller vessels including the ill-fated Lydia Sutherland.
Star Trek Continues had an episode, "To Boldly Go" Actually a 2 part episode. They recycled the character of The Romulan Commander. when I saw the actress who portrayed her, she looked almost the same as the Commander here. It turned out to be Amy Rydell portraying her. Ms. Rydell is the daughter of Joanne Linville. She got her mother's part down pat. You'd think it was actually Joanne Linville reprising her role except that's just not possible due to the intervening years. Anyway, it seems Ms. Rydell was eager to play the role her mother had portrayed.
Yes, when I first saw the Continues episode. I could not figure out how they had Joanne looking exactly like she did 50 years ago, at first I thought it was CG.
@@jasonthewatchmansson8873 I’d say Strange New Worlds and Lower Decks want to have a say in this, but the odds of someone listening are 1 in a trillion
@@L1z43vr ignorant idiots like that won’t let anyone who dares make mention of official Trek made after April 2001 be heard so it’s falling on deaf ears
I personally like the "Romulans" in Star Trek from TOS right up to Voyager. I'll include "Enterprise", but that show was cut short. Unfortunatly, before the Romulans could be developed. The reason I like Romulans is that they are not "evil" or overly aggressive either like the Klingons. But had a mysterious over emotional passion that can go good or bad. Inherently the Romulans are as "good or bad" as any Humans. But being of Vulcan decent, have extreme emotions that were not suppressed like the Vulcans did. Hence the xenophobia.
producer: "ummm, guys, why do you have stars moving in the background in the exterior shot, when all ships are stationary?" special effects team: "ahhh, don't worry, 50 years now, are people going to still be watching this?" lol XD
Simple. Those aren't stars, they're planetoids reflecting light, and while the ships are stationary relative to each other, they are actually moving insanely fast relative to the background.
2:46 Unnamed Lt Cdr and full CDR standing in the background. McCoy and Scott are only O4’s and Spock the lone O5-but two extras - O4 and O5 - red shirt yet. Chekhov curiously an 01 for 2 years - but what seems a bridge officer navigator on the flagship - at least Lt JG.
9:51 and 1:09 Gotta love how Uhura, even though she was just given an order to send a message to Star Fleet Command, is still watching Kirk closely from behind and can see his signals to cut off and then restore communication. 😎
Best scene in this episode is when Scottie was commanding, he's a kick ass Captain. Worst scene is when Kirk takes to device just by lifting it up and carrying it away...bogus!
They honestly had all the time in the world in order to retrieve a prize like a UFP heavy cruiser which had all the latest tech. No doubt their border outposts were on high alert looking for other incursions. While the Romulans don't embrace logic, they do have a sense of patience.
Elaan of Troyus was the second produced that year. It was written to introduce the new AMT D7 model as Klingons had no ship model till S3. A slow reveal and then exposition. This makes Scotty's lines more meaningful. However Enterprise Incident was shown long before Elaan and therefore confused 1968 audiences. Elaan was also the first Kirk obvious interracial kiss, but they decided to show Stepchildren first. The broadcast order had reasons, mostly ratings. They picked weaker episodes for weeks they expected to get murdered.
If I could strike an episode out of Star Trek canon, it would be Spock’s Brain. It’s hard to admit I’m Star Trek fan while also having to admit that’s one of the episodes.
@@kevinemmers7025 you wouldn't strike out the planet of the Nigerians that stole a blonde white woman? How bout Bev getting it on with her dead Nana's sex ghost on the Scottish planet...whose administrator was most concerned with the weather for his planetwide highland games. Then there's Voyager's salamander stars getting it on. I can think of about 10 from TOS and TNG I'd pull. As many or more from Voyager alone.
The Commander might've been Giotto's replacement as Chief of Security since he's wearing Service Division Red. The one in Command Division Gold might be the Senior Weapons Officer. Just guesses, but logical ones, based on how the ship was seen to be running in previous episodes.
@@calanon534 I see the logic but it's also unlikely for at least the Commander as Scotty was only Lt. Commander yet he was Second Officer, followed by Sulu who was only a Lieutenant.
@@develynseether4426 Aha, see, now we're getting into "Chain of Command" versus "Line of Command." Line of Command is "who takes charge of the ship itself, when the person above him is not present or disabled?" Chain of Command is "Below the Captain, these are the Department Bosses." Line of Command in the series was more or less: -Kirk -Spock -Scotty -Sulu -Uhura -Chekov/Helmsman-of-the-Week Chain of Command generally was: -Kirk, Captain -Spock, Lt. Commander/Commander, 1st Officer, Science Officer, Sciences Divison Leader -Scotty, Lt. Commander, 2nd Officer, Chief Engineer, Engineering Department of the Services Division -Sulu, Lieutenant, Flight Controller/Tactical Officer, Qualified Reserve Science Officer, (likely) Bridge Senior Officer of the Command Division, First Lieutenant Then lower on the line we have.. -Giotto, Lt. Commander, Chief of Security, Security Department of the Services Divison -Uhura, Lieutenant, Communications Officer/Chief Communications Officer, Communications Section, Engineering Department, Services Division. -Kyle, Lieutenant, Transporter Chief, Transporter Section, Engineering Department, Services Divison The position "First Lieutenant" on a Naval vessel designates the seniormost officer with the rank of Lieutenant. This selection is not base don time in service, but at the Captain's discretion, and makes them 3rd or 4th in command of the vessel in the event of the incapcaitation of senior officers. The Bridge Senior Officer, or head of staff for the Bridge crew, would be the person in charge of the personnel concerns of the Bridge crew, and this position either falls to the First Officer or the 2nd Officer if they're bridge crew, or the seniormost lieutenant on any of the shifts. On actual naval vessels, the Line of Command in a combat situation does not follow rank order. It follows bridge and CIC seniority, of which, some positions may have seniority given to them by a senior officer that does not reflect their time in service or service time aboard the ship, but generally follows rank seniority. In short, it's entirely possible that _Enterprise's_ Line of Command differs significantly from Chain of Command - the fact that Scotty is Second Officer at all speaks to this. Sulu should have been Second Officer from the start. But, this goes to G.R. being a bomber crewman not a naval officer himself - to him, the Flight Engineer would be right close to the Pilot/Aircraft Commander, and be in Line of Command as well as Chain of Command.
Addendum: I'm not saying it WASN'T a costume mistake behind the scenes, I'm saying there's a logical in-universe explanation for that mistake to become a valid part of the storyline.
I agree that the red shirt is probably chief of security. (Maybe he just got promoted and is awaiting his transfer papers.) As for the yellow shirt, I figure he's the operations officer. As I figure it (and this is just head canon) alpha, beta, and gamma watches are supervised by lieutenants who answer to a lieutenant commander that answers to the Captain and XO.
There has never been a television show that has influenced both popular culture and millions of people like Star Trek. The original series remains my favorite. Nothing that came after it can ever compare.
@@bostonrailfan2427 - Those we’re all great shows too. However, they never inspired multiple spinoff shows and movies. Not to mention naming one of the space shuttles after the Enterprise.
If Gene Roddenberry had been hit by a truck and killed like Edith Keeler in "The City on the Edge of Forever" before he made Star Trek, what would the world look like? As well as what would have happened to those who said they were influenced and inspired by Star Trek?
This episode highlighted the contrast of the original series with later ones. The set was absolutely abysmal, with cheap vinyl seats, panels with Kmart switches, and graphics you wouldn't accept on a Commodore Vic20. But the plot was riveting, the characters mattered, and we loved it all...
They were not filmed in 16:9 perspective which is problematic when remastering to HD. Also when you remaster to HD, the flaws in the sets themselves become very noticeable.
@@FireLordJohn3191 , he did didn’t he..!! I wish he would have a question and answer with us because in all the pics of the edges of earth’s atmosphere, it’s so dark, not one star. Shatner kept saying how absolutely black space was, no reflections at all. Thought it woulda been a bigger deal. Surely he’s writing a book on it or documentary? Shatner is awesome and when can we get more people into space who can tell a good description because Shatner is top-flight story teller, he makes absolutely anything interesting 🧐
My main issue with this episode is with the very premise. The Federation sanctions this mission - risking the top ship, and a top crew. The ENTIRE mission is predicated on the fact that the Romulans would open communications rather than just destroy the Enterprise immediately - and then just 'notice' Commander Spock. From there, they would continue to ignore SOP and instead decide to bring Spock and Kirk aboard their ship for what up to then would be unheard of diplomatic talks. The odds this would occur are so slim, it's unlikely the Federation would sanction such a long shot mission. It's an example of a plot point being revealed later in the story that, if it was known at the outset, would be too absurd to believe. But by the end of the episode, it seems plausible. It's a good episode, and I don't claim to be some great writer. But this is typical writing techniques used in the earlier years of TV where everything needs to be resolved in under one hour.
I agree. It also hinges on the fact that the Romulan commander is a woman, and is attracted to Spock, setting the premise that Spock could be swayed by her feminine charms to turn traitor. How could The Federation and Kirk know these things? And that the situation would play out the way it did? Including Spock using the " Vulcan Death Grip" on Kirk? Also, how do humans know that there is no such thing as a " Vulcan Death Grip", but the Romulans don't? Good episode, but tons of plot holes.
Yes, today they take 10 episodes to reveal the completely implausible premise of random chance leading to a very complicated specific outcome. Picard 1 and 2 for instance. Discovery (all seasons). Drama is always contrived and better if you don't think too hard. Like "A Scandal in Bohemia", hard to believe she was written by a MAN. Speaking of thinking too hard, in this closing space shot scene... Why are the stars flying by with the warp parallax when they are at full stop in space? Why hasn't United Earth or the Federation put star bases and colonies closer than three subspace weeks to their side of the Neutral Zone when twice (Deadly Years and this) the Romulan fleet is quite handy when Enterprise strays across for a minute. Seems if the treaty was drawn there, that must be some contested space with some resource value...but Earth and the Federation has done nothing with it for over100 years. The Outpost asteroids obviously have no patrol ships or protective cruisers. How exactly would they react to Romulan entrance or aggression in this fabled Neutral Zone? Message in a bottle? Spitballs? Stern radio warnings? It's almost like Dorothy Fontana was writing the Korean DMZ circa 1955, but imagining the US Navy only back at Pearl and San Diego anchorages while Red China was 40 miles away. Maybe we should remind ourself it's just a show. I should really just relax.
Also, why are the command crew of the Enterprise more or less not in on the plan? They all go along with the artifice that Spock disapproves of Kirk's action to cross the neutral zone when that was the plan the entire time. What's to be gained by maintaining this facade internally?
@@PrimarchX Not to mention- What if the Romulans just decided to destroy the Enterprise for their intrusion into the Neutral Zone like they tried to do in The Deadly Years? Again, good episode, but tons of plot holes and what ifs.
I love the original series as I’m sure most who comment do. Gene Roddenberry was very careful (for the most part) to keep the series in chronological order except when doing a flashback episode. The one thing that I’ve always wondered about this episode is the crew is surprised by a cloaking device. Way back in season 1 in “The Balance of Terror” episode the Romulans had a cloaking device and a very primitive appearing vessel compared to this episode. I always wrote it off that hey, it’s a TV show enjoy it.
The original cloaking device from _Balance of Terror_ was NOT invisible to sensors. It was invisible to the eye, but could still be tracked throughout the episode.
Interesting that one of the ships that surrounded Enterprise at the start of the clip was a traditional Romulan Bird-of-Prey, but in the next clip, it's three Klingon D7s.
@@JLange642 I messed up; it's not this clip, it's: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-F3E3Uu9_HVk.html Right around the 2:40 mark. sorry about that.
"The Deadly Years" had the Bird-of-Prey ships. I wish I'd bought that since I liked the space-battle episodes, but forgot about that part. Star Trek couldn't afford a ship for the Klingons in the first season, and didn't want to build a new one for the Romulans so said they were using the Klingon design. In the remastered version of this episode, they use both ships.
he says at the beginning 1of your hours like it's something that he really doesn't comprehend yet also says that the message to Star Fleet will take 3 weeks like he does understand
It is The canon explanation is that the Romulans and Klingons had a technology exchange program. The actual explanation is that this was a 3rd season episode and they were short of money, so they reused the Klingon ship models.
The old romulan ships could only go warp 2. The Klingon ships could go faster and were better armored and armed. So they exchanged technologies to have better ships and the Klingon ships then could have cloaking device s
The key at 2:59, the First Officer confronts the Captain. On my first ship the First officer was a tiny little runt and the Captain was some kind of patrician with three initials before his last name. 📖
@@219garry I since discovered it was how the scene was cut upon remaster, the original has Tal first saying, in a curious tone and slower speed, "Captain...who is that beside you?" The implication being the Romulans don't know everything about the involvement of their Vulcan cousins in Starfleet. I'm sure I'd ask the same about some human amongst a ship full of aliens.
They act like the cloaking device was new, but the Romulans had it in Balance of Terror. They should have said the device was greatly improved instead of pretending it was a new thing.
Absolutely. IMO, this is the best episode of the 3rd Season; however, I never understood why or the reason for this comment in this episode. The other mistake in the 3rd season is the episode "The Way to Eden". In that episode, they follow the "Hippie" cultists of One into the neutral zone, entering Romulan Space and Kirk mentions they have to get out of there as soon as possible, yet also makes the comment, the Enterprise has been in the Romulan Space for over an hour and no Romulan Vessels had approached the ship,. Wherein this episode the Romulan Fleet surrounds the Enterprise as soon as it enters Romulan Space. I never liked the 3rd season. As I got older and knew their budget was cut for this season, it shows in the quality of the episodes. Season 1 & 2 have the best episodes including Season 1, Episode 14 " Balance of Terror". One of the best episodes of the series and the best Romulan episode. Great observation about this episode. Thanks.
The original cloaking device from _Balance of Terror_ was NOT invisible to sensors. It was invisible to the eye, but could still be tracked throughout the episode.
@@Idazmi7 I know. That's why I said the cloaking device in The Enterprise Incident was not new, but an improved version of the original. Spock's dissertation on the subject made it sound like this was some brand new thing. They didn't have to do that...they could have explained the improved cloaking device now made Romulan ships invisible to sensors as well as visually.
@@jonemeigh5588 There's also the fact that this show was made in the 1960s, and there's no guarantee that any random viewer had seen the prior episode. To their credit, it wasn't even originally called a "cloaking device" - it was an "invisibility screen", so one can construe that it _is_ effectively new technology.
The music sells the plot..high lights the phrases..and since it’s the same music used in most of the episodes...it makes the lines..the story. Unique. And is really the...mood of the original series. You know..just by the music..if it’s...good....or bad....or humorous. Again...Unique Star Trek soundbites. As much as the sound of a phaser..or tri corder. Both of which..make no noise..and are but props. Like all..the Enterprise sounds added in. They became familiar.
I'm told that each season had only a few episodes scored, and bits from the score would be used in later episodes that season, like "More Soup" in "Amok Time" being used with Spock's mother in "Journey to Babel." "The Enterprise Incident" being one of the first of season 3 should use new music, but I'm unimpressed so far. Season 3 has fewer episodes I like than the previous ones so it's hard to say what bits or themes were common throughout the season.
