The Enterprise-D Size Question: was the TNG Enterprise too big?

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The original starship Enterprise was big. The Enterprise of 'Star Trek: The Next Generation' was bigger. But, was it too big? In this video, we consider the Enterprise-D's dimensions and why they might be a problem in relation to her design features.
Images from Pixabay: Andreas Glöckner; Petra Hegenbart; David Mark; Yezro.
Music: ‘Zodiac Structures’, by NoMBe (RU-vid Music Library); ‘To Pass Time’, by Godmode (RU-vid Music Library).
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@MATTY110981 6 месяцев назад

I remember seeing a clip of fan 3D recreation of the interior of the Enterprise D. It’s in a first person perspective and starts off in Shuttle Bay 1 before making its way to the bridge. While on the a small part of the Enterprise D had been completed it showed how huge the ship really was that the TV series never really did. Unfortunately Paramount got their lawyers involved and shutdown the project

@kronos6948 6 месяцев назад

It was actually a game called Stage 9. It was playable as VR as well as first person perspective. It was shut down due to Paramount making their own video game based on the Kelvin timeline. I still have a copy on my computer. It was the final playable version (still incomplete) that was released around Christmas time, so all of the NPC's have Santa hats on.

@compu85 6 месяцев назад

@@kronos6948you're lucky. I had read about it, seen a video, and thought "oh cool I'll download that tomorrow!" Well, tomorrow was too late..

@cmj0929 6 месяцев назад

@@compu85I have a copy if you want it recently found it a few months ago after looking for years like you, it’s absolutely incredible to say the least, they literally have areas in the simulation that weren’t even on the show

@numberyellow 6 месяцев назад

I have the latest version archived. CBS may have shut them down, but they can't take away our archives. Stage 9 was truly brilliant. I really wish MDI had gotten to finish it. Also, the C&D order was because of the Galaxy-Class DLC for bridge commander.. It was actually cited, when MDI tried to negotiate with CBS, to keep the project alive.

@ludbud57 6 месяцев назад

@@compu85You can easily find copies of the game available online still. Something to note is that the developers have all gone to some really cool projects - starship simulator and the Roddenberry archive. I recommend checking them out!

@DanBen07 6 месяцев назад

I sew a RU-vid video once by ec henry "The Enterprise is insanely huge" He showed you could fit a lot more rooms in there.

@Gentleman...Driver 6 месяцев назад

Yes, the ship was too big as Michael Okuda stated many times. It was even mentioned in his book, the "Technical Manual of the USS Enterprise". In the book it was also mentioned that Federation space grew so large that the ressources would be used wiser to build many little ships, rather than fewer big ships. The Nova Class concept drawings were also in the book, stating it was possible that the next Enterprise could be a Nova Class vessel. Lets be honest, the Galaxy Class was something born out of the believe of a progressive future. Like the original NCC 1701 in the 1960s. Back in the day, in not even 80 years time, humanity went from first powered flight to almost landing on the moon. Just imagine how fast the progress was, and how the people might have imagined the future. So, I would argue the Galaxy Class design is pure Star Trek. The reason why most of the ship wasnt shown, and why we never saw cool things like escape pods or the Captains Yacht, were out of budgetary reasons. In fact, the transporters were invented for TOS for budgetary reasons as well. Simple effect which reduced the need for physical models.

@thelordakira 3 месяца назад

crew quarters looks like a fancy hotel

@NobodyYouKnow01 2 месяца назад

Captain's Yacht sounds oxymoronic when Captain in this case is synonymous with Picard. Perhaps it was like Sheriff Woody's empty holster, symbolic of something a character of principle would never need to fully use?

@mikeabbitt8309 6 месяцев назад

Okay, for any race fans out there, the Enterprise D would fit inside the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. The length of the front and back stretches are 3,300 feet long, as stated in the video, the total length of the Enterprise D is 2106 feet. The saucer section would fit between the front and back stretch, the distance between the front and back stretch is about 2,250 feet, as stated in the video, the saucer is 1519 feet in diameter. If you’ve ever been to Indy, you know how big the place is, and the Enterprise D would fit, but not by that much.

@princecharon 6 месяцев назад

Storywise, the Galaxy-class was supposed to be basically a mobile starbase, and the models were designed as such. I suspect that the production team were hoping that at some point they could get the budget for some of the areas that they described, but the Captain's Yacht was always a long shot - I can easily believe multiple scripts being presented that used it, and some businesscritter going 'why don't you just use the little space shuttle-thingy that's already been built?' (was going to say 'shuttlecraft' or 'shuttlepod,' but then realized that businesscritters are less likely to remember the terms as well as nerds like me would).

@LtFoodstamp 6 месяцев назад

They should have kept the D for all movies. They could have showed us some new sets like main shuttle bay, a truly grand arboretum, the rest of sickbay, etc

@Krazyman1999 6 месяцев назад

All that space, and only 1 Toilet...

@superginrai8036 6 месяцев назад

I don’t think the Enterprise-D was too big. Rather, I always thought the size of her standard crew was too small.

@benbunch4159 6 месяцев назад

The Galaxy isn’t too big. But the ridiculous size inflation we’re getting since TNG is absurd. From so many ships in Picard and later now being larger or almost Galaxy scale, the massive JJ-prise, the still ridiculously large (inside) Strange New Worlds Enterprise. Things are getting a bit out of hand. You’re also referring to design features that are not really shown in detail or talked about in the show, just alluded to in support materials. They wrote in the captain’s yacht and other things to give the writers options for storytelling. They ended up not using those options.

@MTLMedia 6 месяцев назад

I think a large part of the issue is that people forget that TNG was meant to showcase progression from TOS. Roddenberry wanted his own version of progress for Star Trek, moving away from militarized views of TMP era movies (that he personally opposed). This meant a ship that was larger , not just larger than the TOS/TMP Enterprise but also the Excelsior. The ship was not just meant to be more powerful than those ships, but also a lot more comfortable and secure. If the Star Trek universe was a post-scarcity utopia - then its flagship should reflect that. Officers had their families with them, activities and what we consider luxuries would be normal to all of them. This isn't a flaw, its part of the aspirational aspect of this future vision. The vision was so different that Captains had councelors on the bridge, to help them think emotionally and empathically.. not just tactically. This was Gene's vision, however inconsistent it may seem. However when Gene asked what the crew compliment of the new enterprise was going to be according to the designer, they stated it was around 5k.. but Gene then insisted they should say it was somewhere around 1.2k , because they could never fund the number extras needed to convey the 5k number. From this much backwards justification came into place. (Additional rooms for guests, diplomatic missions, crew could now have their own individual rooms and not the barracks seen in TMP.. ). From an in universe perspective the Galaxy class was meant to be an awe inspiring sight, demonstrating the acheivements of the federation.. the ship itself was a massive flex. In TNG you never get a sense that it was all too common, most of the ships we see are infact still from the TMP era.. aside from the few Nebulas. It's not until DS9 that because of their wartime storyline, that we see huge number of Galaxies, used as battleships or command ships. But that was never the idea behind the creation of the Enterprise and its class. This is why things seem inconsistent at times, TNG and later Trek would be different animals.. and no amount of in universe explanations will ever explain the choices made by producers with different views of the franchise. Still happens to this day, with the latest trek.

@theodoremccarthy4438 6 месяцев назад

I always had the impression that the Galaxy class was an effort to begin moving the Federation towards being a fully space based civilization. Its was more of a flying colony than simply a space craft, which is why the presence of civilians made sense.

@3mpt7 6 месяцев назад

Encounter at Farpoint made it very clear: that saucer section? Entirely civilians. The Enterprise does not in fact, need it for any reason at all. Any time it's using its forward phaser arrays? It's holding back and providing a soft touch. So perhaps this video ought to be examining the Enterprise as it is without the saucer section.

@noppornwongrassamee8941 2 месяца назад

@@3mpt7 Ultimately as the series progressed, the saucer separation as civilian lifeboat all too often couldn't be used. By the time the crew knew they should use it, it was too late to get the Saucer out of danger. So up until the its last movie, it was better for the Ent-D to keep its saucer attached rather than separate and quite possibly leave the saucer vulnerable to attack. Weirdly, the Odyssey on DS9 didn't use the Saucer separation despite knowing it was going into combat. Sure, they offloaded their civilians first, but wasn't that the point of saucer separation? Leaving your civilians somewhere safe while the leaner star drive section could go into combat?

@3mpt7 2 месяца назад

@@noppornwongrassamee8941 It certainly would have been difficult for the Enterprise to predict and separate the saucer section in time for spatial and temporal anomalies, and rampaging gods, and Q, but I'm fairly sure that Gerry Anderson from the Thunderbirds/Stingray/Captain Scarlet shows would have made doubly sure that the saucer section got separated whenever any normal enemy was predicted to be in the area. They could have made some really interesting stories with that, as sometimes saucer separation might backfire, but the writers were just obstinate and lazy on the whole issue, and of course, Gene Roddenberry wound up dying, so there was nobody around to ensure that protocol concerning armed forces protection of civilians was followed.

@TheThreatenedSwan Месяц назад

TNG was very inconsistent because the path of the show contradicts the cringe space liberalism the writers seem to like. Also funny you bring up Troi because 1) it doesn't make sense why she would have that job vs the higher ranking jobs of other empaths/telepaths, and 2) that group is a scarce resource with their abilities being "commodified"

@MatthewCaunsfield 6 месяцев назад

I think TNG missed a trick when depicting the massive inner size of the Enterprise-D. All it would have taken was a few stock shots of suitably futuristic interior spaces to depict the malls, public spaces, theatres etc, similar to what was done in Voyager to depict the Ocampan city. Then splice those shots into the episodes alongside the smaller, more budget friendly sets. That way "ten forward" can be just a small section of a larger recreation area, instead of a modest lounge on a massive ship.

@radioflyer68911 6 месяцев назад

I guess the stage where the Promenade stood for DSN wasn't available at the time.

@avenuePad 5 месяцев назад

@@radioflyer68911The DS9 promenade really was fantastic.

@noppornwongrassamee8941 2 месяца назад

Who needs theaters when the Holodeck can just make one on demand? Really, it always amazed me that a single person can use a single large, multifloor recreational room all to themselves for hours at a time. You'd think with a thousand plus people on board, there'd be more demand for holodeck use than there were available holodecks. But that seems to not be the case as there's always a holodeck available when someone wants to use them. Why is the Ent-D so big? Because it has to be to fit in all the holodecks needed to create zero wait time for using one! For a crew of 1000+ no less!

@linz8291 2 месяца назад

Exactly, modern mothership is not similar to previous types when we considering flexible settlements as floating cities.

@DoNotEatPoo Месяц назад

This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Every inch of the ship has been accounted for. There's literally no space left for shopping malls and food courts because everything that's unseen is actually consumed by AI datacenter space to drive the holodeck. That's right people, 90% of the ships physical space is necessary to drive one 20x20 foot holodeck funzies play area.

@mikedicenso2778 6 месяцев назад

The main shuttle bay was first shown in "The Best of Both Worlds" when Worf and Data leave the separated saucer in a shuttlecraft to rescue Captain Picard from the Borg cube. The second time was in "Cause and Effect" which showed the main bay in great detail looking from outside looking in since the bay doors are opened to release the air inside it, and move the Enterprise out of the way of the USS Bozeman.

@bjorn00000 6 месяцев назад

The arboretum was the biggest missed opportunity. It was so big you could see it from the rear shots, but all you got was a little tiny room!

@history8192 6 месяцев назад

It also would have worked really well as a matte shot, like when we see 24th Century San-Francisco and cut to a park. You could even have a mesh tent while on location to make it look like the sky is fake.

@thanqualthehighseer 6 месяцев назад

The size of the Enterprise-D falls into the ' What if ? ' senario what if a colony has a disaster and needs large scale medical assistance for tens of thousands of people?, a total evacuation? or large scale transport to a new planet?

@AdmiralKarelia 6 месяцев назад

The Galaxy Class was meant to be a one (very large) size fits all ship, capable of excelling at any mission it was given. To do so, it needed a lot of facilities, and a lot of room to adapt as needed.

@kingdave31 6 месяцев назад

Imagine a Battlestar Galactica-type scenario where the Federation is destroyed and the Enterprise is fleeing through space packed to the gills with 10,000-plus refugees.

@thanqualthehighseer 6 месяцев назад

@@kingdave31 given that some Starfleet intelligence officers might have thought war with the Klingons or Romulan empires or a new threat could come about. That plan was probably considered and planned for.

@spockboy 6 месяцев назад

Then THAT would have been its function as a Transport/Evacuation vessel. No sane institution would waste that much underutilized space "just in case" they needed to do that while exploring, which was its INTENDED function. That's why Coast Guard ships aren't the size of the Titanic. : )

@AdmiralKarelia 6 месяцев назад

@@spockboy Don't forget the era that the Galaxy class was designed in. Starfleet was in an era of unchallenged expansion, discovery, and development. They'd made peace with their biggest rival (the Klingons) and the Romulans hadn't been seen in decades. Starfleet had the resources and opportunity to build a "does everything" ship that was bigger, more powerful, and more capable than anything that had been seen before.

@radioflyer68911 6 месяцев назад

Windows shaped like Ten Forward's go all around the saucer. That means some quarters, labs and classrooms should look a lot like Ten Forward. And sickbay should have a lot more beds. Most of these problems are justified by lack of space and budget.

@kaitlyn__L 6 месяцев назад

Probert’s original drawings for a deck-spanning medical complex are a sight to behold.

@numberyellow 6 месяцев назад

The thing is that the sickbay/hospital complex is FAR larger than what we see on the show.

@AdmiralKarelia 6 месяцев назад

@@numberyellow Yeah, you're seeing one small ward in what is likely a large infirmary. In fact, there may even be multiple infirmaries.

@numberyellow 6 месяцев назад

@@AdmiralKarelia According to the blueprints (specifically, the ones used for the Stage 9 project), the hospital complex was only just on that one deck, but it was MASSIVE.

@chimaican01 6 месяцев назад

I swear I recall reading at some point there was more than one sickbay on the D, but they only ever showed MAIN sickbay.

@tony.mccall 6 месяцев назад

I always thought that the Galaxy Class was designed and built for long range missions on it's own, something they never seemed to use it for in actual service

@rubaiyat300 6 месяцев назад

I think that there must have been differing ideas on what the show was going to be that changed along the way. A giant and luxurious ship with civilians and even children kinda only makes sense as a very long term colony ship, where people would be born, live, and die never touching ground so spaces needed to be scaled way bigger than aircraft carriers or cruise ships where folks can be expected to get off once in a while and certainly can walk the deck for air. And there it's sheer size is needed for facilities and well just raw population to go colonize worlds. And it's kinda in the name. Galaxy class. I think before Gene got cold feet about shrinking the size of the Milky Way (by making warp too fast as if there wasn't already understanding in the 80's the universe might very well be infinite), there must have been some idea for a generation ship (the next generation even) on a "continuing mission" and the adventure starts at a place called Farpoint station. Which is a grandiose name if that place is so close the Enterprise can return to Earth in a few months if not weeks after visiting it. Heck starting this colonization effort might be why the Q would suddenly reveal themselves. Going to other galaxies makes you a bigger problem sufficient to have to smack if needed. I think a lot of the weird bits that some fans dislike on the Ent-D simply made sense for a show that never got made.

@RotalHenricsson 6 месяцев назад

A side effect of making the Enterprise the flagship, i think, the Federation wouldn't want it to go too far out of the way.

@dh2032 6 месяцев назад

yes it more of mobile space station, the bit I always (when I had think about ship) when ever there was bit of bother, of the ship it was almost only, the bridge and engineering you got to see, but bumps and bangs must of affected the hole ship, the people falling over on the bridge would been the least of the problems long corridors, soddenly turning lift shafts many, many floors high, everything not bolted down on the move? that was possibly the main reason there was only 1,000 onboard

@marcneef795 6 месяцев назад

In principle, the original Enterprise was also on a 5 year mission

@kingdave31 6 месяцев назад

Exactly! It was supposed to be on a 10 or 20-year deep-space exploratory mission, but all they ever did was fly back and forth between starbases, with the occasional short-range exploratory mission to go check out a nebula or something.

@entropy11 6 месяцев назад

Unrelated, I think the original enterprise was actually a little too small to be capable of everything it was shown to do. I'm going to put out a dangerous opinion here that the rescaled Strange New Worlds Enterprise is (discounting the interior views of the cavernous main engineering because what the hell) just the right size. I don't mind the appearance of the D's main engineering, as it actually implies efficient use of space, as cavernous voids within a starship are never good.

@MasterofSpiders 6 месяцев назад

Pretty much any Starfleet ship, maybe except the Defiant, is massively over-sized for their crew compliment relative to anything real life. For the Enterprise D specifically, a cruise ship of half the length and 20 decks (albeit more regular in shape) would accommodate 7,000 crew and passengers. EC Henry took the unofficial-but-they-fit deck blueprints for the Ent-D and worked out it had a total floor area of over 8.9 million square feet (excluding bulkheads, outer hull, other obviously uninhabitable areas), which is a lot for 1000 people to live and work in. Therefore one assumes that storage of things like anti-matter and other un-replicatable fuels take up a lot of space.

@andytol1976 6 месяцев назад

Original Enterprise being a "tight squeeze" tracks in my opinion. The reality is the Constitution Class was designed at the height of hostilities with the Klingons, as well as the potential of increased tension with the Romulans and Tholians. As much as Star Trek didn't like the idea of warships, Enterprise and her sisters would have been their version of the "State" classes of battleships like New Jersey or Iowa. It'd probably take a LOT of effort to refit to a deep space exploration mission, not to mention finding quarters for the extra staffing like scientific and diplomatic personnel.

@RegClintonBrown 6 месяцев назад

💯I agree the original Enterprise was tiny with a ridiculously paper-thin narrow neck.

@M167A1 6 месяцев назад

Speak not of the heresy!

@nonarKitten 6 месяцев назад

I think most sci-fi people have at best a vague grasp of scale and engineering problems mindless upscaling presents. No body seems to get how stupidly big the original 1701 was. The who sizing issue isn't about "enough space" it's the alignment of exterior windows with the proposed deck height (which the studio made to fit the huge 1960's cameras -- not because Enterprise was supposed to have 10' high ceilings). Unscaled, the 1701 has about 800,000 sq.ft. That's about a match for the CVN-65 Enterprise which holds (normally) 60 planes, 5000 crew, fuel, food, water and a nuclear reactor. They don't have fusion, food replicators and duraluminum (wtf that's supposed to be), which would make space so much more efficient. Yes, real carriers and subs are cramped, but we're not talking "about the same" because the 1701 has 1/12th the crew, 1/12th the spacecraft/airplanes, a fraction of the fuel and food needs, no water storage. But the D is easily 30 TIMES that volume with only 1,000 crew. Imagine a full theme park like Disneyland with all the rides, shops and ... yes ... parking and hotels, with only 1000 people. It would be liminal Disneyland. Fans will justify it with technobabble and handwavium, as if 300-ish years could resolve what are borderline limits of physics (not just structural engineering). And honestly I'm tired of Geek Apologetics.

@matthewknobel6954 6 месяцев назад

the main difference is that TOS is a military ship while the TNG is a cruise liner with families and support structures for those families that TOS ships did not have or need.

@Graviton1066 6 месяцев назад

TNG Enterprise is not a cruise liner.

@glennac 6 месяцев назад

@@Graviton1066The Enterprise D was a Hotel that happened to be able to move from planet to planet. Granted, it was 1980’s hotel stylings. But it was that faux luxury padding that was popular in the 80’s and early 90’s. Hardly a military vessel like might be found among the Klingons.

@zigadabooga 6 месяцев назад

@@glennac it was a scientific exploration vessel with civilians. It was neither a hotel nor cruiseliner. The weapons were for defense, but clearly outmatched many warships.

@kevinschram7667 6 месяцев назад

@@zigadabooga For a "scientific exploration vessel" they sure spent a lot of time hosting diplomatic conferences and shuttling ambassadors around from here and there. Why would you bring children and families onboard a ship exploring the unknown reaches of space when they could get instantly killed by some random anomaly. Face it, they were the flagship and basically a moving Starbase. This was even addressed in Insurrection, when the Enterprise-E is acknowledged as running around tending to diplomatic bushfires during the Dominion War. The fact is, kids and families onboard was stupid, Gene was a bit of a nut. Whether it's patrolling the neutral zone or exploring unknown space, there's no reason for children or civilians to be onboard. I guess this was supposed to be some commentary on how genteel and advanced humanity had become.

@zigadabooga 6 месяцев назад

@@kevinschram7667 it was a galaxy class, it had many functions, of those was space exploration. The Federation's "coast guard" and "diplomacy" was a necessary part of their duties.

@mallios13 6 месяцев назад

It's funny how I've long heard of the Ent-D being described as "city sized." But these comparisons definitely showcase that it would be closer to a village ship. Ultimately, the answer is: The Ent-D was too big compared to the sets we had.

@enermaxstephens1051 6 месяцев назад

Depends on the size of the city. A large city, no. Medium or smaller, yes.

@barryelverson9486 6 месяцев назад

I enjoyed this video. Yes, we could see that the E-D was a bit smaller as envisioned by Andrew Probert. He had the thought of decks 11 and 12 being a mall, like the promenade in DS9. It’s been described as having 8 times the volume of the Conny E. the length, width and height are important, but the actual volume is what really makes the ship. Technology changes and we saw that on TNG. The ship was faster, with powerful computers on board and included new types of sensors as well as more powerful versions of the ones we saw in TOS. Phasers had also changed. For me, the ship was made to be comfortable for ambassadors and other contact missions. Diplomatic missions, science missions of all sorts, exploration of dangerous regions and tactical missions. Long term missions and yup, transport missions and rescue missions. In a sense, the Conny E with 7 additional mission type ships plus carrying families. She was a big ship with a big series of mission profiles. Reality, it was a limited set with a limited budget that needed something big enough for it all to fit. Sadly that did not have the budget or ability to alter the sets for the different arcs of the corridors on the ship. Also, the heavy reuse of movie sets. Sigh.

@kasterborous1701 6 месяцев назад

The Enterprise-D is 2,108 feet long, according to Probert's own design drawings. They were supposed to use the Captain's Yacht in "Samaritan Snare", but it was outside the episode's budget. The main shuttlebay was used in "Cause and Effect" (and visible as a model shot), and it was also used in "The Best of Both Worlds, Part II" (it's where Worf and Data launch their rescue mission from, and we see its wall move past the shuttle window as it takes flight).

@CCJ1998 6 месяцев назад

You know while TNG did have a small engineering set to me it looks far more futuristic than using a Brewery in the New Trek movies. I always thought why we didn't see the mechanics of the ship as much because it's the 24th century and surely they would have simplified and automated more of the ships functions by then. I like the industrial look sometimes but looking at our current tech and how humanity is we strive to make things sleek, elegant and more simple and I don't see that changing in the future. Another thing I think the idea behind making the ship so big was to be able to keep more of the stories on the ship in the long run to save money. Roddenberry's thoughts was since the ship is so big if we need a special place on the ship just make a new set. Though I think the 10 forward set was way overused sometimes. If anything change the doors and those tiles on the wall to make it look more different.

@DavidDouglas-q7v 6 месяцев назад

The brewery-engine room was bad enough; but they left the caps on the vat-spigots, complete with brass chains. Oh, and plastic sheets on the doorways instead of doors... perhaps the clear plastic welds itself together at the nano-scale in case of loss of pressure... ;)

@mallios13 6 месяцев назад

Yeah, the brewery was a weird choice because we're not given any real sense of what the vats and whatnot were meant to indicate. Main engineering doesn't need to be vast because it's mostly just around the warp core. You're not going to see massive machinery associated with warp travel beyond that because that's all in the nacelles, which clearly are not in engineering. And obviously the show budget wouldn't typically permit us to see engineers doing spacewalks to fix the nacelles when they were damaged. So all you really need for that area is the warp core so the engineers can maintain it, and work stations that give readouts of the ship systems and allow one to remotely operate whatever they need to assuming those systems aren't too damaged to necessitate crawling through Jeffries tubes.

@Daimo83 6 месяцев назад

I thought a brewery with a particle accelerator wasn't too far off. Air, water and waste require a lot of pipes and processing.

@DavidDouglas-q7v 6 месяцев назад

Yep; it's all engineering, and no engine! Like the engine compartment of an old car... ;)

@DavidDouglas-q7v 6 месяцев назад

Yeah... I think that for the INTO DARKNESS engineering they shot two scenes at Lawrence Livermore labs; it was a bit better.... but you still just can't beat a F!!!ING warp core. But hey, they apparently build starship in Iowa now, and not in orbit, so why not just make it HUGE-ER?

@kaitlyn__L 6 месяцев назад

I’ve always thought it was funny how much larger and easier to shoot in the Voyager engineering set was. They had so many more dynamic angles available to them. Though even TNG rarely shot things on the second level for some reason. Of course it used lessons learned from TNG’s set, but still. Even if we accept that Voyager did have only 2 or 3 decks of engineering space while the D had a dozen or so, I think it makes so much more sense to be able to see everyone working in the zone. It’s nice to be able to see more of the warp core too. I believe we see some dressings of the quarters that have the “saucer underside” slant to the windows to match the ones on top we normally see; but without checking I also may well have imagined that. Could’ve sworn one of the ensigns’ quarters in Lower Decks (the episode) had them flip around the wall for the window though.

@The_Mighty_Fiction 6 месяцев назад

Shame the ship itself was butt ugly. 😋

@marvelboy74 6 месяцев назад

You are right; Voyager's Engineering had a much better layout.

@AdmiralKarelia 6 месяцев назад

I'm not sure TNG's Engineering was a fully enclosed set, but I'm pretty sure Voyager's was.

@DrummingWriterTrekfan84 6 месяцев назад

@@AdmiralKareliayes and no to both. But what's Interesting is that the voyager engineering was exactly where the TNG engineering was. Same with the rest of the voyager sets. You could say they expanded the engineering set for voyager. In fact most of the TNG sets were just redressed for voyager like the hallways just for example.

@anthonylosego 6 месяцев назад

"It's a long way down to the bottom of the warp core." Or so I have heard.

@shagrat47 6 месяцев назад

Would you consider a cruise ship too big compared to an Ocean Explorer science vessel? The Enterprise NCC-1701 was an exploration and science ship. The Enterprise NCC-1701D was a home for the scientists, crew, military and their families. Designed to provide amenities and living space to whole families similar to a small city. Quarters for multiple delegations of species in case of negotiations, diplomatic mission, emergency living space for thousands of people in evacuation scenarios and way more equipment the "old" Enterprise ever carried... I think they simply designed her for the tasks they had in mind and added options for flexibility/refits. 😊

@CIS101 6 месяцев назад

Weren't the Romulan ships from Star Trek TNG much larger ?

@mito-pb8qg 6 месяцев назад

1,353m in length by intended design as far as I know

@eddievhfan1984 6 месяцев назад

Bigger in overall dimensions, but a lot more empty volume between the nacelles and other spaces-maybe comparable to a Galaxy-class in internal useful volume, though.

@The280TimesTriviaChannel 6 месяцев назад

Depends on the day, the shot & the pov of the viewer. Her size in comparison to other ships fluctuated more severely and frequently than the Defiant (which has been famously picked at for years) - The Neutral Zone she looked.. 5 to 10 times bigger than the Galaxy. Tin Man, equal to maybe.. 20% bigger.. Pegasus, about the same as Tin Man.. DS9 - whoa.. lol.. Using the Jem Hadar attack ships as a comparison, "Die is Cast" Warbird and "The Jem Hadar" Odyssey.. The Galaxy is at least equal.. maybe, slightly bigger than the Warbird. Tears of the prophets, in one shot the Excelsior and a Warbird seem to be of generally equal girth. - It really does depend on the day, the shot and the mindset of the viewer.

@danielhenderson8316 6 месяцев назад

@@The280TimesTriviaChannel It is all when the episode was shot. The Romulan Warbird model was scaled to the 2 foot ILM model that was used in Season 1 and 2. From Season 3 onwards, Greg Jein built a 4 Foot Enterprise with extra surface detail that was easier for the FX team to move around as opposed to the 6'x6' ILM Enterprise (instead of just to add Ten Forward like this video suggests). Since there was nothing wrong with the Warbird model, they never rebuilt it and for the rest of TNG it's now put beside a model 2x the size it was originally scaled for. Once they went to CGI, they put the scale back to what it was supposed to be.

@BagoPorkRinds 6 месяцев назад

@@eddievhfan1984 The internal volume of either the D'Deridex Warbird's upper and lower wings are greater than a Galaxy class. The main forward head itself is more than twice the internal volume of a Galaxy.

@mdsx01 6 месяцев назад

It makes sense to me as a Navy vet. Ships need a lot of internal volume.

@rubaiyat300 6 месяцев назад

Especially for most of the crew and almost all the civilians never being able to go topside. There is no option for walking around the deck so spaces can't reasonably be as cramped for people on months if not years long missions.

@gawainethefirst 6 месяцев назад

According to most sources, the interior of the the ship is modular, and is only 1/3 to 2/3 finished at any given time, depending on mission requirements.

@wolfmaster0579 6 месяцев назад

@@gawainethefirst Much of the ship is modular, but the only specific numbers I know of is that during the dominion war, galaxy classes were being completed with 65% of their spaceframes empty. This means that a galaxy class in terms of crew, basic amenities, support systems, engines, shuttlebays, sensors, weapons, bulkheads, and more only account for 35% of the spacecraft. It should be noted that the ship could carry around 4500-6000 people comfortably but usually operated with around 1000.

@chazsutherland 6 месяцев назад

Surface ships reside in two environments simultaneously; obviously, there's the water env it displaces to create buoyancy, then there's the atmosphere it projects up into where the habitat of the crew exists. Spaceships don't have this luxury and more closely resemble submarines that are designed to operate within a single environment and must create an artificial one within it to keep its crew alive. This undoubtedly requires a variety of resources that occupy space, which Trek largely ignores.

@jeffery7281 6 месяцев назад

EC Henry once have a video, saying the crew living space will only take around 85,000㎡, but the total internal deck area of the Galaxy-Class, according to the blueprint, will be about 800,000㎡. Only 10% of the ship's internal volume was taken by the crew. Apperantly, the rest 90% was for equipments.

@OrcaBoat3 6 месяцев назад

The Galaxy Class was perfect!

@RotalHenricsson 6 месяцев назад

truth be told as much as she's my favorite starship period - the empty space behind the Saucer and above the Nacelles does bother me a bit, visually. It's part of why i enjoy the dreadnought-variant so much - i love nacelles, they add a nacelle, it fills a void, mama's happy.

@rpgarchaeology6049 6 месяцев назад

The size of the D was to accommodate the amenities that would come with a deep-range exploration ship. Since the families of the crew were coming along as well, it had to essentially be an entire city with all the services and provisions needed by a civilian population that was larger than the crew complement itself.

@Woopaloops 2 месяца назад

What’s strange though is that it seemed like the Enterprise D was barely ever in deep space. In season 1, Picard mentions that they’ve been on the “outer rim” for most of the time since the Farpoint mission, but from the third season on, it seems like they’re always in Federation space or on the border of Klingon and Romulan space. The original Enterprise was in deep space 99% of the time, so why did the Enterprise D never go very far when it was designed to do so?

@rocketguardian2001 Месяц назад

@@Woopaloops True. They never really venture beyond easy contact with Starfleet. The OG Enterprise was often the only ship in its sector, or well beyond contact with Starfleet.

@gtc9966 6 месяцев назад

The giant windows on the underside of the saucer drive me mad.

@whitewolf3051 6 месяцев назад

Considering that the Galaxy class were flying hotels rather than space born battleships or submarines, the windows are a bit understandable. It’s the number of them that bothers me. The few amount on the Constitution class to Excelsior class had right amount of windows all over, but once we start we the Ambassador class and on, way too many windows.

@Joshua-oo9hy 6 месяцев назад

I get you, those windows had to be 40 to 50 feet long. What room need 50 feet of slanted glass windows. Id almost make since if they were glass floors, but they weren't.

@exoticspeedefy7916 6 месяцев назад

@@whitewolf3051 How exactly do they work on the underside though? Makes no sense. We don't see how they fit in relation to the rooms and each deck has a floor with no windows on the lower decks..

@Salty_Balls 6 месяцев назад

I've seen them labeled before as auxiliary deflector. Which would make sense given the saucer needs to be able to generate a (much less powerful) field of it's own given that it can coat from warp and propel itself at full impulse speeds. Those "windows" are usually portrayed as blue in color as well if you notice, different then ordinary window lighting. No mention was ever made on the show about it, but we also have no evidence it wasn't from the show.

@marcneef795 6 месяцев назад

@@Joshua-oo9hy They were made from transparent aluminium

@Galleitch Месяц назад

It needs to be big to hold the navigation whales

@DZ-X3 6 месяцев назад

A spectacular model, and an enlightening video as always. That said, I don't agree with the Galaxy-class being too large, or even truly understand why one might think that. It's certainly a shame that we never got to see the captain's yacht, but that's just as sad when it happens to the smaller Intrepid-class. While it might have been nice to see the large main shuttlebay in use, I don't see anything wrong with using the smaller secondary bays for most purposes. The only time you'd need to use such a large shuttlebay is when docking a ship far larger than any shuttle, or to launch/land a staggering amount of shuttles all at the same time (in which case you'd use all available bays, including the small ones).

@-werksmith2078 6 месяцев назад

I always imagined that the larger shuttle bay was used for shuttle maintenance, cargo, worker bees, operations for external hull maintenance and had to keep some open space to accept a runabout or two when needed and be able to repair a runabout. I think I remember hearing/reading that " The D " could park 2 runabouts. Runabouts were developed around the same time as the Galaxies I believe.

@Grim2 6 месяцев назад

And then there's Deep Space 9 to complicate things, from being depicted as dwarfing a Galaxy class starship, to being much, much smaller (final shot of the show).

@zerrodefex 5 месяцев назад

Seriously how big were those windows that we could see if a Galaxy-class was so small while docked to one of it's pylons? The Promenade windows were nowhere near that big when seen from the inside.

@duramirez 6 месяцев назад

The masterpiece ship for me is the Sovereign, feels bad that we didn't get to see her in full detail 😞 She deserved a show just for her.

@jaybodner4189 6 месяцев назад

My absolute favorite is the Excelsior Class!! 😃

@Woopaloops 2 месяца назад

You’re right, but now she’ll always be associated with that stupid throw away line in the terrible Picard show. A heroic ship, that battled the Borg and the Remans, reduced to a punch line. Sickening.

@duramirez 2 месяца назад

@@Woopaloops truths 😞

@therichieboy 6 месяцев назад

Why would you want a painting of Earth when you can look outside and see the real thing? 😜

@blue387 6 месяцев назад

I wonder if the Galaxy class was made so big in order to house civilians and families as well as resources for those civilians and families.

@darthkek1953 6 месяцев назад

Plus the ability to evacuate (or imprison) thousands.

@RotalHenricsson 6 месяцев назад

There's a wholeass giant arboretum under the two giant blue windows on the back end of the Saucer; i'd assume the Saucer is packed to the gills with ways of making (particularly the family members not in Starfleet) feel more "at home". Tons of Holodecks, Sick Bay has *got* to be bigger than the general area we always see. Plus all the crew quarters. I actually have a bit of a bone to pick with Lower Decks showing lower ranks still having to share quarters (...that being the *episode* Lower Decks, not the show set on a substantially smaller vessel). Cetacean Ops is never shown but we know it exists and if Lower Decks (*this* being the show, not the episode) is anything to go by they likely cart a lake around somewhere. They got schools, they got cargo bays up AND out the ass, and i always wonder when i see those volume-calculations... do they take into account that the nacelles and pylons are effectively uninhabitable? You got a control room, you got an access way aaand that's about it. And that's a huge chunk of the ship just given to the plasma gods. Shuttlebay One probably eats away at volume too; the blueprints aren't canon but their layout is fairly reasonable and shows it being two decks tall and hollowing out most of those decks.

@guillermodiego819 6 месяцев назад

Budget constraints always rein in the best ideas. Still, I love what we got, however limited. Great video!

@entropy11 6 месяцев назад

EC Henry did a quick vid on just how easily 1000 crew fits into the D and how empty the hallways would be, if she wasn't constantly ferrying guests, passengers, and specialists. The Galaxy class really is a convention center in space. Also keep in mind the 1000 crew statistic doesn't include families (which explicitly were carried) of said crew, along with the passengers and mission specialists I mentioned. If I had to guess, the typical occupancy of the Enterprise would have been between 4000 and 5000 people. Still FAR below its capacity.

@okankyoto 6 месяцев назад

Early blueprints imagined malls and other massive spaces to help take up the space. Not to mention the cetacean ops whale tanks and their associated lifeboats!

@kaitlyn__L 6 месяцев назад

The Starfleet crew count is actually 650-700, the 1000-1050 numbers given is indeed the total population. (Both families, and civilian workers like in Ten Forward.)

@DrewLSsix 6 месяцев назад

On screen it's only ever mentioned having about a thousand people total, except for that one alternate timeline where it carries iirc about 3000 soldiers. This creates an even worse problem, especially when you consider shifts. If they run a 3 shift rotating schedule, and give them the benefit of assuming 90% of the occupancy is crew, then the whole ship is at any given time being run by just 300 people. We see a few locations on screen that are fully staffed at nearly all times but we have to assume there are others. And it wouldn't take long to exhaust those 300 bodies. The 400ish crew on the TOS ship have a similar problem, but not nearly as bad as post jump Discovery! With well under a hundred people total (iirc like 84 people total) on a ship about the volume of the Enterprise and with the compounding issue of having two independent types of star drive to maintain. In short, people in star trek are likely to be very busy.

@Graviton1066 6 месяцев назад

I'm not sure his renders were accurate in that video.

@kaitlyn__L 6 месяцев назад

@@DrewLSsix somehow I never thought about that. 120-130 odd people on shift at any time in TOS, and like… 25 people on shift in the 32nd century. I know Jeffries always intended the ships to be highly automated, and it was meant to get even better in TNG, but jeez.

@alienrefugee51 6 месяцев назад

Still the most beautiful of all Starship designs.

@whitewolf3051 6 месяцев назад

That honor goes to the Refit Constitution class.

@marcneef795 6 месяцев назад

My theory was always that they just made it twice as long as the original, not realizing that this meant 8 times the volume

@ripley_hicks_newt_86 6 месяцев назад

Most people underestimate volume.

@marcneef795 6 месяцев назад

@@ripley_hicks_newt_86 😇

@joshuanorthey2026 Месяц назад

100%

@floriang2801 Месяц назад

It’s much more that 8 times the volume. The D is much wider and also has a much thicker saucer. It’s more like 20 to 30 times the volume of the Constitution.

@marcneef795 Месяц назад

@@floriang2801 I think you are right. She looks very slim, but this is just because of the shape, not because of the actual volume.

@chadnine3432 6 месяцев назад

IMO the show should have leaned into the idea that the Galaxy class was a mobile starbase. People coming and going, deploying the battle section for hazardous missions. It probably would have been a nightmare to write an episodic show with that format though.

@RenardThatch 2 месяца назад

That's what the Enterprise J is...

@eddieschwab864 6 месяцев назад

Well don't forget in the episode yesterday's Enterprise They said she's capable of transporting over 5,000 troops, Plus in the episode remember me where the crew was diminishing in the warp bubble and nobody remembered them, they said that it had a carrying capacity up to 3000 to 4,000 total people aboard and since it's practically a flying Embassy / Marriott Convention Center, it would stand a reason outside of crew complement that it would frequently have guests well in excess of its standard crew rotation plus depending on shift rotations based on the time with Captain Jellico, a three shift rotation might require more crew to manage all the positions especially in a crunch situation going into battle and of course everyone knows that during the Dominion War newer Galaxy class starships were considerably upgraded in terms of armament shielding and propulsion over the first generation glass cannons

@floriang2801 Месяц назад

In TNG "Yesterdays Enterprise" Tasha says the Enterprise is capable of transporting 6,000 troops. In TNG "The Ensigns of Command" they consider evacuating a colony of 15,000 people to the Enterprise. Nobody mentions any space constrains. So the Big D can hold a lot of people.

@oscarphillips3654 6 месяцев назад

One thing I would like to point out is that the thousand or so crew members mentioned in most of the material it just the size of the standard crew complement including officers and enlisted. but before the Dominion War Galaxy-class vessels often carried the families of the crew as well so they had a significant civilian population aboard so total population of the ship was probably closer to something like 4 to 6 thousand when factoring in the civilian families and required support staff and facilities for the civilian population. It does make some sense for the ship to be so large when compared to the constitution class. since it was essentially a flying town or village and not strictly an exploration/military vessel like the constitution was.

@Cyberguy42 Месяц назад

No, ~1000 is the total number of people, including civilians and families.

@AmalgmousProxy 6 месяцев назад

Why didn't they show or use the main shuttle bay in the show? I don't know. That said, I don't find the quantity redundant. Why? The Enterprise D has the unique ability to separate the saucer separation from the main drive. Apart, each then will still have useable bays. This occurred to me when someone brought up how it was "redundant" to have 3 impulse drives. I can't argue that having all 3 active is potentially redundant. However, the quantity makes sense when you consider the separation factor. Only one plausible thought why the main shuttle bay wasn't used that I can think of. It's primarily storage. Even in the show the other 2 bays are almost always cluttered with storage containers of somesort.

@RoySATX 6 месяцев назад

To sum it up, Enterprise D was not too large, the budget was too small. One thing about the set that always bothered me were the hallways. Given the size of the ship and the curvature of the hallways, the crew never ventured far from the center of the saucer. Had they been on one of the middle decks and on the outer hallway at the front of the saucer the curvature would have been such that you would have been able to see quite a distance.

@DavidTraynier 6 месяцев назад

While we only saw a fraction of the Enterprise D, this allowed our imaginations to do the rest, aided by books like the Tech Manual and blueprints. And I have a feeling we saw even less of the original Enterprise.

@bac-up6758 6 месяцев назад

it was absolutely too big. the writers could not accurately depict it and it was not their fault. the whole cocnept was ludicrous and poorly managed. the whole show absolutely suffered as a result.

@brentbartley6838 6 месяцев назад

And the original Enterprise (Constitution) was too small (yeah it may have been the length of an aircraft carrier but alot of that was engine nacelles. Interior space is lacking. It has serious packaging issues, especially the refit with the verticle warp core and getting turbolifts through the neck. Let alone what rooms are in the neck that need windows, they'd pretty much be closets.

@Tuning3434 6 месяцев назад

@@brentbartley6838 Resurrected Starships did a CGI model / video on it: even on conservative estimates (only the two rim decks in the saucer section used for crew quarters), every crewman has the roomsize of a 1.25 RV for itself. That would size favorably compared the the TOS sickbay and captain's quarters, so likely even less space is devoted to crew quarters. The TOS enterprise is fine, probably even big if non-commisioned officers would be double bunking. The 1701-D is insanely big, like a street per crewman big.

@brentbartley6838 6 месяцев назад

@@Tuning3434 EC Henry also did a breakdown on the D. She is big and sparsely populated but does make some sense as a long term deployment with families and the sheer volume of morale facilities. It also makes a bit more sense if the actual starfleet crew complement is 1000 then add maybe a couple/few hundred more for families and the odd civilian crew that run the amenaties. Just thank Paramount for being too cheap to build sets big enough, use matte paintings etc (like B5 did) EC Henry breakdown ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Lwx5uB0pyhQ.htmlsi=6gnoYctjqytlcBXD

@pyronuke4768 6 месяцев назад

@@brentbartley6838if you add families into the mix the total personnel could shoot up to around 3,000-4,000. And if you believe some theories that in addition to deep explorers the Galaxy class were also colonizer ships with even more civilians sent out to expand the Federation's presence on the outer edges of their territory, then the massive volume does begin to make sense.

@Cauin450 6 месяцев назад

The In-Universe explanation was that the Galaxy class had 20 years worth of advancements crammed into it, which is why it was so big. That it was designed to go out not for five year, but 20 year missions. So it needed to have all the supplies, comestibles and all the other things on board to keep the ship running for that long. They supposedly even had the ability to mine deuterium and create antimatter, when they run out of fuel. It was to be the ultimate explorer vessel, even though it's designated as a heavy cruiser and yes, they did want to rattle the sabre for the natives. Sadly, the Galaxy class did not live up to the hype. It was a beautiful, amazing and intricate waste of resources. They could have made 2 advanced Excelsior's for what went into one Galaxy.

@okankyoto 6 месяцев назад

Imagine being in Voyager's situation but in a Galaxy class ship! There'd be hardly any improvisation required as it happily made its way home, replenishing its own antimatter, growing its own food supplies, building more shuttles as needed...

@DrewLSsix 6 месяцев назад

In universe the ship could only go for 3 years without serious maintenance.

@davfree9732 6 месяцев назад

The Galaxy was also intended to be a 100 year vessel. Just as the Excelsior's had lasted for so long, the Galaxy was intended to be customizable with plenty of capacity for new facilities, but also new innovations that could be tested without needing to throw out what worked before the new equipment could be field tested. Sadly the ships entered the age of the Borg and Dominion era and they became to be seen as 'putting all your eggs in one basket'. But... The Galaxy class can hold the trophy for the greatest testament to humanities willingness to explore and to what lengths they would go in that exploration. The Galaxy class is the ship that said space exploration doesn't have to be a choice of service or family life. Bring your family with you, the Galaxy will hold them. Voyager's Intrepid wasn't made to have families but with the prospect of such a long voyage it became a family ship... So in a way the Galaxy class ethos was abandoned too soon. A civilian volunteer core of families who sign on to take the same risks as their husbands and wives would allow for family life, and a non com army of support personal much as when wives marched with their husbands in 18th century army columns.

@MrZorbatron 6 месяцев назад

@@DrewLSsixNot according to the TNG technical manual.

@markfox1545 6 месяцев назад

The plural of Excelsior is not Excelsior's.

@J_n.. 6 месяцев назад

The ship was bigger because it was build for longer missions. In any tv show set in any city nobody complains that not the whole city is shown Btw the first Shuttle we saw in TNG was there because the the script writter recognized that there hadn't been Shuttle on the show until then. But yes there were missed options and budget considerations, otherwise there could've been more

@DJ_Force 6 месяцев назад

The curved corridors suggested they were encircling the axis of the saucer. However, the curve was so tight that the hallway couldn't have been bigger than a tennis court.

@phillipthorne8363 6 месяцев назад

I agree. That's a production limitation -- a small number of standing sets forced to represent every corridor, no matter what shape you'd "realistically" expect. The saucer could contain a straightaway of 200 meters, Deck 10 rim to center, but the sets can't possibly depict that, so the "interesting" stuff is always "just around the corner." It feels even weirder when the small-radius corridor is used directly outside Main Engineering. (For a different take: the forced-perspective backdrops for up-curving corridors aboard Babylon 5.)

@SullenSecret 6 месяцев назад

I've always thought about those extremely angular windows on the top and bottom and wandered if they looked like the ceiling or floor from inside their rooms. It seems like such an odd design for interior decor.

@rod3134 Месяц назад

If you're thousands of light years away, on a 5 year mission I would think the large size was necessary in case of oxygen recycling failure. There might be enough volume to sustain the crew until repairs were made. DANGIT🤨... I did it again 🙄... Go to bed 🤪

@jimlight5137 Месяц назад

You’ve got nice visuals, but your arguments and “evidence” are severely lacking in scope or attention to detail. As such this entire video rarely even bothers discussing anything about how the size actually affects anything and more or less boils down to “the tv budget made it feel small, and that bugs me.”

@Darxide23 Месяц назад

The roughly 1000 figure refers only to the crew themselves and not to the civilians. There are potentially untold thousands more civilians aboard a Galaxy-class ship making the size a bit more reasonable. Much of the space aboard would have been to accommodate that additional population. Things never seen on screen, but could be assumed to exist.

@LordCommanderEdTN 2 месяца назад

Put 1000 people in a 500 square meter space like the one you show, for a trip that will surely last several years? Any submarine designer knows that overcrowding in a hermetically sealed and insulated can is one of the main enemies of the crew's sanity. That's why the Enterprise D is so massive, we don't want a thousand people trapped in an airtight tube with access to weapons of mass destruction to go crazy, or that in a psychotic attack, some crew member decides to manipulate the warp core and to blow the ship with everyone on board

@martinpsi2705 6 месяцев назад

3D recreation of the interior of the Enterprise D is fantastic. But, your arguments are irrelevant. Totally pointless to compare its construction or size with land-based buildings. Why are you looking so far to understand its size?...Enterprise A had 400 crew members, Enterprise D had 1000 crew members.Somewhat messy video.

@Gift0r 6 месяцев назад

EC Henry has a great video about this where he also placed the whole crew outside, on the saucer section. All 1014 people are a speck on the hull. The ship is massive, and according to I-can't-remember-sources, not even all the interior was built out when it first launched, keeping some space for on-demand outfitting.

@michaelbrett2760 6 месяцев назад

I always thought the philosophy behind the design was flexibility over a potential decades-long lifespan. Lots of room for multiple mission types or the potential for exploration far beyond Federation space.

@jaybodner4189 6 месяцев назад

Yes, The Big D was the perfect size. Do you ask if Space X's Star Ship is too big...probably not...so why ponder Big D?

@petero.7487 6 месяцев назад

Looking at things, it would appear that the original intention was to have around 3000-4000 people onboard and it was felt that they couldn't get enough extras to be constantly walking through the hallways, so they set the ship population at 1014 or so.

@t.bunker2511 6 месяцев назад

Well, while USN aircraft carriers are big; compare the American carriers to the current Carnival or Royal Caribbean mega-cruise ships that are rivalling oil tankers. And the only carry provisions for several weeks. Imagine the increase in tonnage if they sailed for 6-month without resupply. Even the American carriers travel with their own support ships and have to provision every few weeds even when the are on-station for months.

@mcarp555 6 месяцев назад

As far as shuttle bays, Note that bay #1 is for the saucer section, while #2 and #3 are for the warp drive section. It would be silly to have one section of a separated ship not having a shuttle bay. The two small ones are probably nearly the same floor space as the main one, so you could move many shuttles if need be (such as to evacuate one section of a separated ship to the other section).

@AdmiralKarelia 6 месяцев назад

Nah, the main shuttlebay is frickin huge inside. it takes up a considerable portion of the saucer on the decks it's on. forgottentrek.com/the-next-generation/the-unseen-enterprise-d/images/Enterprise-D-main-shuttlebay-deck-plan.jpg It's like having a small airport on your ship.

@xBINARYGODx 6 месяцев назад

For most people for most of their day, they could not look out a window and see the real thing - but also, most of the time, even if they did, they would not seem much. A fresh, nice, exciting look at the stars in the paintings all over the place is great propaganda on such a star ship doing what it does (which DOES mean a lot of nothing to look at most of the time). But also - I think the drive section was small, relatively speaking, to show tech moving forward, and the disc was bigger to show everyone have families on the ship and all of the non-work stuff needed for that, and just because SF was less militaristic at this point, for a while.

@lordcommander3224 6 месяцев назад

You barely scratched the surface of how absurd, yet awesome this ship would have been. A thousand people would be stretched out so much it would be too much wasted space. There would have been entire decks just empty perhaps with no internal volume at all until it was required for a mission or evacuation. The main shuttle bay 1 was so large it encompasses a chunk of the internal volume of the saucer and they never showed it. It would have looked like the hangar deck of several Nimitz class carriers combined.

@kriscotner7105 6 месяцев назад

I grew up with this show and never ever liked this ship and i was glad to see it go in part 7. It was fat and squatty and it looked like a floating living room or hotel rather than the cooler,sleeker refit Kirk Enterprise. I did appreciate seeing it in Picard though(i didnt watch the show,i just watched clips of the good stuff,mostly Worf and this ship)

@ProjectVastness 6 месяцев назад

For me even enterprise F is small, still (and again in my opinion) the most beautiful ship that appeared first in the game . If a ship has to be the flagship and multifunctional and endure whatever it comes (peace of war) I think it has to have some mass , firepower, human resources , etc etc etc

@rjScubaSki 6 месяцев назад

They should do a follow up to Picard where 250k Romulan refugees are living on a decrepit Galaxy class complaining that it isn’t a D’deridex

@stekra3159 6 месяцев назад

Enterprise Length 800 meters Crew 1000 Nimitz Lenght 100 metere Crew 5000

@lukedogwalker 6 месяцев назад

And a Nimitz has people sleeping in corridors in locations so far away from basic amenities like showers that they have to get dressed to walk there, and bring another change of clean clothes for the walk back. And most of them are permanently sleep deprived... so, nope. The D is just the right size for long duration missions that you can endure without going insane 👍

@HawkGTboy 6 месяцев назад

I remember reading somewhere that the initial plan was for the Enterprise D to have a crew of 6,000, but that got revised down to 1,000 because they were worried about hiring so many extras.

@zigadabooga 6 месяцев назад

Cause and Effect showed it and was cool, maybe nice to see inside. But the reason there's a main and two others, is that the main shuttlebay is for the saucer section and 2 and 3 are on the Star Drive.

@vegeta002 4 месяца назад

The Enterprise-D was a Galaxy Class, it was therefore perfection in all fields.

@QUICKBOOKS1 6 месяцев назад

People DO realize The Star Trek Franchise was/is Fiction, right?

@mcapps1 6 месяцев назад

Size and mass is irrelevant when you have a power source with unlimited output on demand.

@lightpawshird 5 месяцев назад

The Enterprise D tech manual tells you why the ship was designed so large. Go read it.

@bobmoz 6 месяцев назад

the windows were to big on the exterior compared to the interior

@jayt9351 6 месяцев назад

In the Next Generation technical manual, it discussed the use of modular internal modules to accommodate various mission profiles. It was estimated that 85% of the internal volume of the Galaxy class was normally empty space, in order to maintain that modularity. While that explanation does alleviate some of my concern with the ship being too big, I still think it is too big. Different ship designs could be created to fit different mission profiles. Meanwhile, normal ship operations are hampered by having to overcome the size of the ship. Examples include inertia of mass distributed at extreme distance from the center of rotation, requiring more torque to rotate the ship, which in turn requires more power to inertial dampers (dampeners? whatever you like...), and the cost of longer distance possibly delaying emergency medical help or other emergency procedures, such as emergency repair crews fixing a hull breach.

@michaelmccartney157 6 месяцев назад

I don't think it was too big. It was treated essentially as a cruise ship for people from countless different planets. It needed the space for a lot of people

@pyronuke4768 6 месяцев назад

I've seen a video go around every few months that showes the size of the Galaxy class in scale to it's crew, and it does make it feel ridiculously big. However I would like to point out that Roddenberry himself said that he wanted the crew to bring their families with them on the ships for TNG. So while the crew numbers just over a thousand there would potentially be like three to four times as many civilians aboard too. Add in some theories that in addition to deep explorers the Galaxy class were also ment to be colonizer ships, and her large size starts to make some sense. But again, unfortunately, this is where the vision runs headfirst into the budget and they were just never able to accurately depict the scope of it all on-screen.

@mephistoxarses8585 6 месяцев назад

How many families died on the Yamato? I would ask that of Roddenberry....... Inexcusable behavior in my opinion of Starfleet's "complacency".....Space is incredibly dangerous...you don't take families out into the unknown.

@HawkGTboy 6 месяцев назад

Any ship the size of the Galaxy Class would need some kind of color coding scheme on the corridor walls to tell you what deck your were on, what section, etc. Maybe even different architectural themes. The sameness of the corridors would be a nightmare to actually live with.

@bongmuon 6 месяцев назад

The computer could guide you with the LCARS displays. It was shown on at least one episode.

@terranempire2 6 месяцев назад

I always imagined that much of the Interior of the Enterprise D was built using existing modules as a a result of the interior and some systems of the ship not being completed. As time went by Starfleet intended to give the newer ships more of the grander interiors and systems but as a result the ships had been left less opulent. I imagine as the Borg and Dominion wars flared up the renovations got pushed back farther.

@plutoniumshore Месяц назад

9:35 Don't forget Cetacean ops!

@johntreml1838 2 месяца назад

The TNG Enterprise needed to be 3 times as bigger than the original one because the crew brought their families along with them. Remember Captain Picard Day? 😂

@cgarciahfcu 6 месяцев назад

Yes it was too big. I love the Enterprise D, but the writers got too carried away. No amount of explanation will excuse that.

@Revkor 6 месяцев назад

ten year tour

@rinoz47 6 месяцев назад

Not too big, the crew was too small. 1000 people is not enough to crew a ship that size, even with advanced computer automation and transport abilities.

@rinoz47 6 месяцев назад

Sorry if you went over this. I'll actually watch it now lol

@stephenmiller9013 6 месяцев назад

The size of the Enterprise-D does play toward the narrative set out in the first episode and elsewhere that those of the Federation could tackle anything, boosted by the political situation at that time and directly rebuttalled by Q.

@rubaiyat300 6 месяцев назад

I think the sheer scale of the ship was unfortunately never captured on screen in a personal way. I've always wanted an outside location shot set up where some scene occurs at maybe a table outside a cafe or something, and then after whatever dialogue, the camera pans out to see the buildings on the street and above the cafe, and then it keeps going and you see the bulkheads and hull and you realize all this was done in some multideck recreation area nestled into the hull. Also highlights the ridiculousness of the smaller hero ships that followed her (like the Defiant and Voyager) being anywhere as capable given the cavernous amount of volume for equipment and ship stores the Galaxy can shove into place (like a computer core around as tall as the Defiant itself....and it has 3 of them).

@hivebrain 6 месяцев назад

I always assumed they held concerts in ten forward. Thinking about it now, it was probably supposed to be another room (next door maybe).

@NeonVisual 6 месяцев назад

The D was built during an unprecedented time of peace, it seemed perfectly logical to bring family along for diplomatic missions. That's until the Borg and Dominion showed up from the delta and gamma quadrant. There are also a bunch of decks on the E which are just huge empty voids left there for future expansion as the mission dictates.

@mattheww2797 6 месяцев назад

The bigger problem was when we got to Voyager and they had gigantic sets for the Captains Ready Room and Main Engineering which then made the galaxy class sets look so small in comparison

@Ama-hi5kn День назад

I am no military expert, but going in with slow moving ships is kind of useless. Smaller fast moving craft are effective if you just have enough of them available. Motherships are just there sitting ducks.

@radioflyer68911 6 месяцев назад

In regards to the Empire State Building, today you have to go through a ten foot stack of red tape and bribe city officials just to build a hotdog stand.

@mrtrek2117 6 месяцев назад

The size of the D was nothing more than 'We need to out-do the original series, how can we do that? 'Make everything bigger and add more phasers!'

@sailordolly 7 дней назад

The Galaxy Class has about twelve times the internal space of the Constitution Class, but only about 2.5 times the population. That comes out to about five times the space per person. Now, even though they do show that people have larger quarters, etc., the space seems to be under-utilized. Why do they need to re-configure Ten-Forward to act as a theater instead of having a dedicated theater/lecture hall/auditorium, given all of the space that they have? Also, why is the arboretum so small when it could be as large as the main shuttlebay, giving them an actual indoor park?

@SANSd20 6 месяцев назад

Don't tell them about the ships on Star Wars.

@jdstreeter 6 месяцев назад

Well done. As mentioned it was budget and too early for CGI renderings to be used easily.

@seanmurphy7011 5 дней назад

If I am not mistaken there was 2,635 square meters of space for each crewmember in the habitable portion of the ship. Like, a house per person.

@VerilyVerbatim 9 дней назад

This is another example of 'form follows function'. The Captain's yacht was there for diplomatic purposes, because not everyone likes the concept of transporters. The saucer section has its own shuttle bay, for passengers/families to have direct access to the 'residential areas'. The Stardrive section has two smaller shuttle bays, for people or items relating to engineering or similar, because the two sections can operate independently. It is also worth noting, the 'saucer section' on the original Enterprise could be detached from the main hull, but doing so implied extreme circumstances (warp core failure or similar), as it was not designed to reconnect after that.

@sodiorne2 6 месяцев назад

You always put out Great videos! Thanks!

@Haroldlangley-dt3qk 16 дней назад

The Galaxy class was of its time. Outlandish, overly aerodynamic, no actual lines, and bigger than it shouldve been. They had families on it, why? They never had one episode where having families on board actually had a justifiable cause. It made no sense. And honestly engineering was entirely too small. Most of the interior was just too frilly. It looked like an 80s or 90s doctors office had a ba y with a massage parlor. And dont get me started on the minivan shuttlecraft. The original Enterprise was small, fast, nimble, and built for its purpose. The D was just an aboration. I was happy to see it go.