A major part of domestic violence is financial control. Manipulating your children into doing things they don’t want to for money is abuse. Also trying to control your kids by holding them accountable for the parents living is abusive and horrible.
And it will eventually teach them to accept money for things they don't want to do. This is the perfect way to groom your child into being a perfect human trafficking victim, sadly.
that’s what my mom does. She makes me work out or play baseball which makes it boring and Un enjoyable for like a shirt or pants. Idk I’ve always kinda thought its abusive but I’m not sure
The US needs federal laws to prevent child exploitation on non-traditional media. The Gosselin kids were the prototype of children born to be filmed, and they are having A LOT of issues. The Duggar kids are already hiring lawyers to get the money they earned. Why do we always have to wait until the kids are adults to intervene? Child actors in the US got their protection laws the same way....
Wow good for the duggar kids for getting involved, they deserve every cent. I grew up watching them and as a kid I never thought about this issue, it’s sad children on television and social media go through this
@@megiddo7664 Technically, Jill and her husband are the only ones to officially leave the cult, speak out about her father/TLC and hire a lawyer...so far. There are rumors that others want to do the same. Jill now wears pants & tank tops, has a nose ring, sends her kids to school and has a drink with dinner. And most defiantly, chose to only have 2 children. Her parents responded by shunning her, and refusing to let her see her siblings without a chaperone. Joy Anna just left the show, and made comments about needing a break after baby #2, so maybe she is next? Jill did raise her after all. It is just insane that their father made the girls "forgive" their brother on national tv and lie about the level of abuse, just to save the show. Even when Jill's name was in the show title ("Jill and Jessa Counting On"), Jim Bob was STILL collecting all of the money and told his adult children they were "volunteering" to spread their cult's message. Not to mention the NDAs. Poor Amy Duggar thinks she is not allowed to speak about her family for the rest of her life, or will have to pay 5 million dollars. It is unclear if it is TLC or only Jim Bob that is responsible for the control over all the "kids". None of them were ever paid, and they were told exactly how they had to live their lives for decades, not even able to accept jobs, or announce engagements and births on their own.
The dad challenge podcast talks about this all the time and goes deep into so many different family vloggers and the statistics of who follows these people and so many of the family vloggers that have older girls have so so many older men watching those channels in making playlists of the inappropriate videos they put on the internet like advertising talking to your child about her first period and all this personal information and when they're dressed in bathing suits and things like that and these older men are making playlists of all of these provocative type of videos and sharing them with other men that are interested in seeing these poor children it's literally illegal form of child pornography for some of these people and I honestly never thought about it until I heard the dad challenge podcast talk about the statistics of who's watching some of these people and the dangers of it. Honestly I watch family vloggers for a while and I never thought to myself oh my God pedophiles are watching this and these kids dress in their bathing suits and talking about their periods and going swimming and gymnastics and all that I thought that other moms were watching it to get advice or whatever and then I realized that not only are these moms comparing themselves to the perfect image that these family vloggers put out and putting themselves down because they compare themselves to such unrealistic expectations but there's also pedophiles out there watching these children and I know that family vloggers can see their statistics they know on a bunch of old guys are watching videos of their daughters in a bathing suit and don't care! would you send your child to a park where you knew a pedophile sat there in the corner and watched your children play?! of course not! So why do they post photos on their CHILDS Instagram or RU-vid videos when they know those people are watching....... They shouldn't allow monetary gain off of RU-vid videos that include children in a majority of the video. They should not be monetized if the child is not old enough to consent and maybe these families would stop 🤷
One 'family' channel I used to follow gradually stopped including the children and in a q&a they said they weren't going to include their children after age of five. They gave all the reasons this kid gave, future jobs, bullying, etc... it had never occurred to me at the time the impact social media can have on kids. This was years ago and I cant remember who they were sorry. But I think of that everytime I see kids on social media these days.
Casey Neistat did it too, hasn't shown his kids faces online in years. Made a video about it, apparently a very creepy cab driver started asking about how his 3 yo was doing and freaked them out.
If I remember correctly Texan in Japan did that as well, when her and her husband decided to have children, they ended up shutting their channel down because they wanted to respect the privacy of any children they ended up having
I mean yes great idea to protect them.. but to begin with they should also wait until they are older to ask if they want to be in anything related to their influencer life style.. not have them in videos until certain age an later stoping
THANK YOU FOR THIS DISCUSSION. I'm an ethics student and I have reported so many "mommy bloggers" on Instagram for outrageous photographs that should not be online. I can make a very strong argument for not posting about your children AT ALL on social media until they can meaningfully consent to it, but so many people do not share my morality. Truly heartbreaking.
I reported one a couple months back who had posted a photo of her children, with some witty caption on a letter board about her how terrible her children were, IN THEIR UNDERWEAR.
@@stacey738 this depends on the intellectual capacity of each child, but if they are neurotypical, I argue for the teenage "gray area" also used in important medical decisions. So between 15-18 years old.
My parents never used me for monitory gain, however my mom would always post pictures of me and my brothers on social media. To a point where my friends knew more about my life via my mom, then via me. I didn't like it as a kid and teen, and I'd start putting my hand in front of the camera every time it came up. There's a whole period of a couple years where there's not a single picture of me to be found where I wanted it to be taken. She always said 'im just proud of my kids', and I know she didn't mean it badly, but it still doesn't sit right with me. I think parents shouldn't post pictures of kids, or if they do, always ask consent and respect if they don't want it. Consent is definitely a grey area with kids and teens, but it's better than forcing/ just doing it without asking the kids. If my mum would've simply asked which pictures I felt good with being posted, I wouldn't have minded I think :)
I completely agree with you. I was a child model for pretty much all of my childhood, and consent was definitely strange because as a child/young teen I didn’t completely understand what was going on.I think it’s ridiculous that there aren’t laws in place like there is for children in entertainment. It’s a breeding ground for predatory behavior from parents.
The issue asking consent from kids is that very young kids probably don’t understand the full weight of what being online means and can be manipulated or convinced by their parents that what is happening is totally fine. There’s also the added content of information which is not photos but maybe some long post about something potentially embarrassing or personal that the kid might not understand may affect them in the future.
@@daffo595 absolutely agree, I'd also prefer if there just weren't any pictures posted, but as soon as a child said they don't like it/ don't want it, they should be respected, without argument. I'm sure that teens can help just select which pictures they do and don't want posted, as well as anekdotes. Young kids shouldn't be exposed to any social media, not by parents or by themselves imo, I don't think it's good for self esteem
Some parents, you know... are boomers. Their don't understand either how big the internet can be. I met a lot of grandmas who can't tell the different between posting on Facebook or showing a physical photo to her friends.
As a parent, you have a duty to protect your children. If you are producing internet content and can do it in a way which the parent/family etc. is protecting them. If a child ever states I don’t want to be on camera, that should be it. Discussions and communication and asking 5 or 100, permission does matter!
i hate when my mom tells embarrassing stories about me to my friends, i genuinely cant imagine having hundreds, thousands, sometimes millions of people knowing those embarrassing things. i’d be horrified
This is a HUGE topic among a lot of RU-vid creators right now. My kids used to want to be on my channel and I said no. Now I think they are grateful as they would be HATE being on my channel. Parents need to make those decisions but they need to think about what those videos will mean in the future when they grow up.
I took the stance with my kids that I would be upset if someone took photos of me drunk or sitting on the toilet ect ect and posted them so I wouldnt do that with my daughters. I consider my privacy a right worth protecting so early one told the entire family that the kids wont be online on any socials without my direct permission. No real issues yet.
A youtuber that i watch called Laurenzside has recently made a video coming out that she is pregnant. She and her husband have publicly come out and said that when the baby is first born they will show the baby but when the baby/child starts to develope features that can be recognised from other children they will no longer be showing there kid on camera until they feel that there child is at an age where they can make that decision for them selves.I feel that this is a very good aproach to being a youtuber and a parent all in one and that many other youtubers should take note of this style of parenting.
Props to the kid for realizing the "oh, I just want this for posterity" was manipulative and a complete lie. If your parent/guardian wants something for posterity, they'd be okay with keeping it private. I regularly comb through photos of me on the internet and untag myself, or request that things are taken down. Growing up in the early age of social media was invigorating and fun, but looking back I'm really glad that I can pop into someone's DMs and ask them to take something down. Some of the photos we shared were under the idea that it was much more private than it ultimately was.
Josh’s (From The Dad Podcast Challenge) mission is being noticed! I don’t care what anyone says, he obviously got the attention to start the conversation!! He’s so passionate about this topic and the passion he puts behind his work is working!!
I have read/watched plenty of blogs about raising kids or how to be a parent without pictures/video of their kids. I remember reading a post on this one blog (I can't remember what the blog was about the specifically) they had posted that their teen no longer wanted their pictures on the blog. At that point afterwards you could not find a picture that the mother post it but you could find links for the child's own post.
I don't think they always have a bad intention but I would never put my child's face on the Internet. You can take photos for yourself, and keep them in a family album to have those memories. But to then share those with strangers for money, whether you're intending it badly or not you're using the child for money.
My oldest daughter is nearly 3. I ask her if I can post a photo of her on my private Instagram. If she says no, I want. My daughters consent is important to me. I want her to know it’s ok to say no.
What does this mean for security purposes? They can find their mother’s maiden name, probably their home address, high school mascot, all that. All of my security questions are answered in some of the Ace Family blogs.
I work in the early childhood education industry and a child actually begins to form their own self identity and awareness of themselves as individuals from as young as 2 years old. I wholeheartedly believe that growing up in an environment of family vlogging would have a big impact on the people these children grow up to be. Regardless if there is a level of abuse or not, it would definitely have some kind of impact on their future selves
The part about young kids not being able to actually agree is super important. When I was younger (like 2-4) I LOVED being filmed. I would take take videos with my brother and he was the quiet one. Now I HATE when my family members watch and laugh at those videos. My brother now loves the camera. Also, my dad became a Facebook dad like a year ago and now he post my brother and I on Facebook without our permission. He doesn’t put anything bad on it, but it still bothers me since my relatives don’t know what I don’t like and my dad doesn’t care.
A family vlog i watch said they had people show up at the kids school to meet them it very scary. Also if they go out to a public play place they have to have extre help because parent will walk up to the kids
I think it’s hard for the kids when they are having fun doing certain things like tik toks and funny selfies which they may be asked if they want online and they agree, but some younger children don’t know the extent of how the internet works. Not only that, but young children would be too young to have accounts on social media, so they can’t see what the parents are posting unless they are shown! I’ve seen so many baby photos and intimate photos ( in swimwear or sleeping) posted that a child might not understand why it’s wrong for 1, but for 2 doesn’t actually understand enough to consent!
This is going off the point about kids not knowing how to handle their money.. So I’m just a “normal” high schooler (well as normal as high schoolers can be) and since my fam is Chinese and kids receive red packets during Chinese New Year, I have been saving money since childhood. I’m not gonna expose my whole bank account details on the internet coz that’s just stupid, but I can say I’ve accumulated quite some money for the future and my point is, I think adults should put more trust into their kids with handling money. They might just be good investors and have the ability to make more money, you never know.
If you are a child actor, there is a reprieve: you end your shoot and go home. If you are a child, whose parents have a family channel, there is no "safe space", your home is your stage.
Super interesting! I hope that I can help my now toddler build a huge library of "RU-vid" videos over his childhood. When he turns 18 he can decide if he wants to actually post them on RU-vid. Teaching him how to make videos, talk to camera, edit, craft a story etc etc is where the true value lies. The potential adsense revenue is trivial compared to the value of those skills. Plus I think prioritising his welfare over potential financial benefit is an important lesson for him - there are many more important things than money. Although, the first time he brakes a laptop I might have to remind myself of that!
I even question the privacy concerns for children online at all. My friend has a one year old and she posts videos and photos constantly. I just can't help but think that when she's 10-13 that she won't start complaining about what is on her Facebook. I appreciate that my baby photos are in paper albums in the basement, only to be seen by family and close friends. Some are embarrassing or silly; some I dislike my hair in. That's not for my mom's 200 Facebook friends to see.
My sister is not allowing any photos of her child online. She has a private google album for family. She made that choice because the iPad kids are growing up and there is legitimate impact on their little psyches from having strangers look at them online. When they develop self esteem, it often shows up in one of two ways. They are either embarrassed or they feel like a celebrity. Neither is hugely healthy. Not to mention the algorithms start to build an internet profile on them so the second they have independent access, advertisers are ready to use that information to target ads at them. She’s rather her kid have a say before anything is out there
I have a friend who I think has a really good policy about sharing pics of her kids online. She didn't share ANY baby pictures (but lots of cute stories!) She waited until her kids were old enough to consent to having their photos posted. Now often her oldest daughter will run up and say "mommy take a picture and post it for your friends!" She understands what it means for mom to post her picture online and enjoys it! Her younger son is less enthusiastic, so he doesn't feature as often as his sister. I think that's a really smart way to go about it. I also know a few people who have private Instagram accounts for sharing pictures of their babies/toddlers with their close friends and family (Katherine Green, Hank's wife, is one of the more famous examples) Hank Green is also a good example of "famous person sharing things about their kid while respecting privacy": I don't think Orin's face has ever been on Hank's socials? He'll be in the background or facing away from the camera, but not straight on.
I'm sorry, but a child is not able to "understand" what it means to have your photo on the internet. And following that thought, when they grow up to realize what it actually is, they might be perfectly ok with it or resent parents for not protecting their privacy when they were children.
@@PeaceOfMake exactly. Think about other situations that involves consent ( you know what I'm talking about) if they can't understand the ramifications of one thing at a certain age how could possibly understand the other 🤷🏻♀️. Just my opinion
I posted maybe two TikToks with my kiddo but I never felt right about it. I have since deleted my TikTok and decided that I will blur his face on any public forum and only allow people to see him if I choose to let them. If he decides he doesn’t want pictures posted of him when he’s old enough to decide, I will absolutely respect that.
It is a weird gray area. I watch videos of an ASL translator who is teaching her kids to sign in order to help teach my nephew to sign. the kids always seems happy in the video and she uses the kids to show how the signs might look different because the children don't have the same motor skills and what not. so for baby sign language it does help to understand how a baby will attempt certain signs and which ones are easiest for them. At the same time she has her very young children in the videos.
One thing I’ve seen clips of come up again ana again is when a child is upset about something or is asking not to be filmed and the parents film anyway. No out your camera down and be a parent! These kids are going to resent their parents when they’re older and I hope they can get away from their emotional abuse
I feel so bad for the autistic children whose parents think it's ok to post the breakdowns of their children online also myka Stauffer is the worst person for doing what she did
I think once your own kid makes a hoodie that days "don't profit off me" and uses the phrase "I don't want you to photograph me and post it"... then you don't fucking post your child's picture to profit and find another fucking job. If that's not clear bad parenting, I don't know what is.
I am a book blogger and Instagrammer. I might mention that I have a kid and rarely ever mention her name. You won't find 1 photo of her on my social media's because I think it's an invasion. She is 7 and can't really consent to having her life all over the internet.
I hate when our mom posts pictures of me on Facebook without saying or asking. I don't know if she gets it but I'm *extremely* self conscious *all* the time and I hate seeing pictures of myself. Plus I just don't want my face/identity on the internet :( Often if she's taking pictures I start asking if she's gonna post it but even if she says she won't she will. I either put up my middle finger or run away if she's taking pictures
im on fb and instagram. one time my mom told me she didnt want her pictures on the internet so I do not post any of her. my sister on the other hand doesnt care and posts pictures of my mom anyway. my mom is sad about it but feels like there is nothing she can do about it. i do not like my sister.
in our family, me and my cousins hate our pictures getting taken, or our food and all, but my grandma loves it and uploads everysingle picture in facebook. our parents always gives us the look "smile only once and we're done" kinda thing, so we have mastered smiling like we are happy so we can take one photo and we can finally eat
I'm a mom and I don't want any picture of my kid on social media. I'm very clear with everyone around me. I believe consent can be teach I really young age and It's important for a kid to have his voice heard and that what happen to themself/body it's their decision not mine. I have a blog and I do talk about my experience as a mom, but never with their picture and never with their name to respect there privacy. Your kid don't need to be in the video to share information. And making money off your kid seems so wrong to me. I'm supposed to take care and provided for them, not the other way around.
family vloggers just shouldnt exist at all its borderline child labor. in terms of posting kids online i think its more like being excited about your new baby is fine but when children start showing or expressing discomfort or dislike towards being photographed and posted on social media in any form that should be fully respected. dont know why its even a debate.
It’s such a scary thing to think about. Because this is the first generation. We don’t even know the full impact yet. There are some vloggers who don’t show their kids past a certain age or only show their kids when they give consent, which I think is positive. But then again, I still feel weird about it, cause it’s so unknown and new.
This highlights how severely lacking in up-to-date legislation and law surrounding internet professions we still are. We have child labour laws and child exploitation laws which don't seem to apply when the work or exploitation is online. Also the platforms like RU-vid and Twitch often refuse to help or update their policy and in serious situations will often refuse to co-operate with police so you can't even seek justice in a meaningful way. Much like the issue of stalking for streamers/influencers etc. where they can basically do nothing and authorities don't care until you're dead (which sounds dramatic but please go watch Sweet Anita's video on her stalker who has assaulted her, slept on her property, violated restraining orders, followed her with a knife and threatened to kill her and her family potentially haven broken into her mother's home and the police did nothing and I pressume have still done nothing as well as Twitch refusing to help or update their TOS or policy to safeguard creators). Parents, RU-vid/Instagram/etc. and the law globally need to be Actually discussing these things when the internet has been around for this long it just seems purely profit driven and devoid of care for human life or justice the fact that this can continue essentially unimpeded. If we had robust and up to date laws as such instances like Daddy-o-Five wouldn't have been able to continue for as long as it did but even when it gains controversy its also earning ad revenue so you can see why they just don't care. Pretty disgusting like
Parents like this, especially if they get famous, they will become very narcissistic. If you are exploiting your children even when they say no and even guilt-tripping them und using other manipulating methods to gain benefit and profit, this is very alarming. You are facing someone narcissistic or narcissistic tendencies. These kids have my compassion, this is just horrible.
I don't think any content that features a minor is "mostly harmless", because the thing is the internet is forever... you put videos of your kids online, even if you later delete them, there will be clips or compilations of it left potentially forever and you don't know how that 5, 8, 12 year old kid will think and feel about that content in 2, 4, 8 years time... they might not care at all, they might be a little bothered because they get recognized/teased here and there or they might hate it so much it has a negative effect in their day to day lives. Child actors are a totally different breed because they go out and interpret a character and then they go home and they're free to be who they are without eyes on them but children that are featured in daily vlogging... what is being shared of them is not a character, it's their real life... and in many cases, their bad moments just as much as their good ones. That is a tremendous invasion of privacy that I consider should not be legally allowed, there should be a law that dictates no minor under the age of 16 can legally consent to be part of family vlogging because like I said... these children do not know how they'll feel about their lives partially or entirely being shared online for anyone to see anytime.
I think it’s worth mentioning that the dad of the “Gardner Quad Squad” was using the fame of his little daughters to engage inappropriately with underage girls on social media. One mom finally saw the messages her daughter had been exchanging with him and reported him to the police. So gross.
I have a car seat safety page/tiktok and and I def have some pics/vids of my kiddo as more of an educational tool. Now I'm thinking maybe I need to learn to blur faces. Idk though it's hard to see the shoulders and top of head unless it's done perfectly. Which is hard with a video b
This whole conversation reminds me of Jojo Siwa. She became the literal income maker in her household. I felt like it benefited her parents to keep her young way past her prime with all the bright colors, glitters and bows and when a traditional 16 year old girl would probably be a little more grown up in their tastes. I'm glad she came out as gay now so it won't infantile her brand. That's just one example
I think parents forget that having children was their choice and thus it is their responsibility to look after them and provide for them without expecting something in return. It's not a business deal and if someone can't handle that big of a responsibility they shouldn't have children
Oh my god you worded this so well. I completely agree!!! Often times parents (even my own) have kids so that they can take care of them when they’re older. They always expect something in return and have kids for all the wrong reasons. It’s immensely uncomfortable and a huge off turn when my mom constantly mentions how I’m gonna take care of her when I’m older and expects all this respect stuff just because she’s my “mom” (mind you she wasn’t a very good one). These kinds of things shouldn’t be forced. The child should want to take care of you, help you, and maintain a relationship with you ON THEIR OWN VOLITION! If you raised your child well and formed a good relationship with them, then this should come naturally. Don’t force or expect it just because you’re the “mom” or “dad”. That title needs to be earned.
My parents are complete opposites in regards to their expectations of parenting and parenting skills. My mom is just wonderful and has always helped and supported us with whatever we went through. She also never expects anything from us. Like gifts and helping her in the house (which we always do), she is so appreciative and proud. My father in ther other hand believes we need to literally serve him. The remote is 10cm away from where he is? We gotta get it. We hate asking him for favours because if he does help is, he will hold it over your head for the rest of your life. He does not accept or respect our boundaries and has this mentality of us needing to care for him when he grows old. This entitlement is infuriating.
Your children are not cows to be milked, is what I always say. In Asia there's this belief that the more children you have the more fortunate you are, which is basically saying you're going to be well taken care off by your children when they grow up and are able to earn income (which doesn't work if you're in a poor household in the first place, then you can't give them proper education, and the sad cycle just repeats when they have a family of their own). It's an old belief but it's something that even some parents that I know still more or less believe, in the sense that their children are meant to carry them in life as payment basically. While sure, some of us if we're successful felt that our parents are owed the fruits of our labour so to speak, because they raised us and we treat them to stuff out of our free will because they deserve it for always supporting us. But it's a lot different when your parents demand that whatever is yours is theirs too, that you don't get a choice in it, because you're the child and they're your parents. In the end, it's just them living vicariously through their children by forcing and pressuring them to do things they never got to experience when they're younger, irregardless of whether their children even like it or not. It's a little worse considering most Asian households hold the concept of prestige in really high regard, and their children grew up in an environment of constant pressure to always succeed to save "face". Their parents then get bragging rights of how successful their kids are, and it turns into a gross competition of which parents has better parenting. I'm fortunate that my parents don't adopt the same kind of mentality, especially my dad. My dad was especially furious that someone tried to convince him to buy insurance, where in the event that my brother or I died, the money goes to him "to take care of him". He said if anything it's the opposite, "I don't need my children taking care of me when they're dead, how dare you". Again, your kids are not cattles.
too many people have kids because ‘that’s what you do’ like no. i wish there was a license to have kids so most people would atleast be more educated before having them lmao.
This is slightly related: The first year i went to a large comic convention i of course wanted to take pictures of cosplayers. I always asked permission, always told them i wasn't posting them and only took the picture if they agreed. There were many children dressed up and i always asked the parents first and then asked the children. The parents were always super willing to let me photograph their kids but a couple kids didn't want me to and i always assured them i wasn't upset and i really appreciate their costumes. One set of twins, cosplaying as Luke ans Leia, had different answers. The boy was super excited but the girl wasn't. They were maybe 8. Their mom and the brother told her it's just a photo but i knelt and told her it was okay. I spoke to her mom and brother too as i said it is so good for her to have that choice since some people don't care about her comfort and they didn't deserve a picture. Their mom thanked me for saying that and the little girl told me i could take the photo with her and her brother. I still have it and i always think about how big she smiled because one person didn't try to make her feel bad just because she didn't want a photo taken. Another girl was dressed as Coraline and she was maybe 4. I asked her mom if i could take a photo of her and she said it was fine but she hasn't been letting anyone take pictures. I knelt to ask her and she was shy but i explained my best friend loved Coraline and showed her my friend's cosplay. She loved that and let me take a photo. Her mom was shocked and the girl gave me a hug. I want children to feel empowered in the small ways they can because alot of people want to take away our choice and something so simple as a picture can be so invasive.
Wow this is so amazing and thoughtful of you. Many people do feel this way but not all are this amazing at practicing what they think is right and acting in a gentle and polite way. I hope more people put thought in their actions.
You are a nice person :) People need to learn from you! I get my pictures taken by my mom and they are posted on Facebook, there are terrible pictures but not because of me, mostly my mom's way of taking pics lol. And she used to post stories about me. It is a little embarrassing but the kid in the video had it waaaay worse because the parent was making a profit off of them, but my mom wasn't. Keep being the nice person you are!
If it were just about remembering her children’s young years, she can still remember the years her daughters wore the hoodies! She can still look at pictures of her daughters in the hoodies and actually be forced to keep them to herself. Or better yet, she could actually live in the moment of those years and experience the reality of them. But it’s obviously not about that.
Also you don't have to post the pictures to use them as memories, you can scrapbook, print them out, display them in your home, have a private website for just you and your family, private accounts or just keep them on your phone. You don't need to post to the world to have the memories
In Japan, parents have to consent to their children's faces being shown even on traditional media. I remember seeing a show that was doing an interview with a celebrity about her home, and so they filmed there. She had a toddler, and the little girls face was blurred out. And I was a teacher and was told I had to be careful to not post pictures of my students online. I always thought it was a very respectful practice.
You’re telling me that’s not.. how it works everywhere? In Australia, in the news, kids faces are always blurred if there’s no permission. Even in school every excursion has a permission slip for the kid to be photographed - even if it only ends up on the school Facebook.
I’m in the States and at the daycare I used to work at every children’s file had a section talking about of permission of photo taking for the newspaper and Facebook.
@@emmadyer In America teachers and students are not allowed to take photos and videos, though I've seen kids TikToks with students who don't know they're in a video. It only reaches like fifteen kids or something. As for tv, I don't know. Sometimes it's blurred, sometimes it's not.
also manipulation of a minor, making them feel guilty for not wanting to do what the adult wants. It definitely could cause emotional problems as the child grows up with a role model who manipulates people into doing what they want and can impact how that kid will treat others.
8 passengers is a very good example of this the parents post EVERYTHING about their kids on the internet and I feel so bad for them literally EVERYTHING from PUBERTY VIDEOS to DISCIPLINING THEM and so many more things that it’s just sad the kids barely have any friends the mom is so strict and makes MONEY OFF HER KIDS YET HAS NOT GIVEN THEM A CENT like are you serious
The “you’re borrowing the things in this house that I bought for you from the profit I made on infringing on your privacy” is the part that really gets me.
@@juliusroman8616 The one thing they cite for the majority of his punishments is a prank he played on his brother a couple years ago where he told him they were going to Disney World when they weren’t. Of course it was a mean thing to do, and the parents shouldn’t tolerate it, but they definitely shouldn’t take away his bed and send him to a reform camp.
I saw a video the other day, the youtuber was filming herself and her kids was in the background, and her daugter, i would say around 9-10 years old started picking her noise and eating it 🤦♀️, not realising she was filmed... people in the comment section was laughing about it, cause yes that's funny, and it's almost cute, but in the same time I put myself back when I was her age and I've would have die from shame knowing that people would have see me do that... even growing up I think I would still.be embarrassed by it...
Yea I absolutely hate even the idea of me walking past my kids in virtual learning. When you are in your home you should be able to do whatever, without eyes on you.
Kids and teens are just learning how to be people, you know? I definitely did some embarrassing things and I’m happy that they were able to be forgotten as they should be. Recording every little thing and having them online make them a moment that can’t be forgotten. A moment that can’t be a lesson you move on from. It probably makes you feel like a joke.
I remember there was this famous vine of this little girl being shamed by a person (maybe a sister?) recording her saying “why are you watching that?” And the little girl had a laptop with p0rn0gr@phy on it and was crying “please don’t tell mom!” And it was considered funny and iconic of vine. But now I feel bad for the little girl growing up who is going to be forever known for that awkward moment.
@@CagedxBirdx She was so young I dont think she'd even be recognizable unless she pointed out it was her. Still feel bad for her though. I'm sure the sister didn't intend for it to blow up too; I hope they can look back on it and laugh one day.
@@Spidertheidiot she knows it was her, and I dont think she would. It's really embarrassing to be caught watching something inappropriate as a child. Most of us are lucky enough that nobody remembers
Almost like child exploitation, they're not paying them to be on there, using your kids is where you should draw the line. Posting for memories isn't making money off of them
I don't think that's what we should be focusing on. Children aren't their parent's property. They have a right to privacy that even the parents can't abuse. The problem is not money. It's their rights may not be respected. And that's the main problem.
@@Paulxl sadly, there are, in the law under the care of their parents, not quite "property", but there is currently nothing law can do to help it. Parents are, unfortunately in charge of what rights kids have unless regulated under law. Of course it's terrible they're using their kids for money, but I'm coming from both the point of how it would have to be construed legally, and also on the point that her mother will guilt her using those photos, saying if she doesn't want to be in them, she won't get any money if she asks, even though her mother has been getting money from photos of her since she was young.
@@Author.Noelle.Alexandria yeah there has to be laws to make them put money into accounts for the children or something like child actors. Same laws should apply to these kids.
my mom is a youtuber (i’m 25 though lol) and she’s always trying to get me to make a channel even though i don’t really want to. she said she wishes i were younger so she could family blog and i’ve never been so happy to be an adult and be able to say no. i feel bad for these kids.
And then think of the reverse: famous people, such as actors and musicians, who don't want pictures/video to be taken of their kids so that they can be sold to TMZ or InTouch Weekly. This was taken up in California, mainly due to the stars fearing for their kids' safety outside of their homes. I just can't stand seeing videos trending about a RU-vidr announcing they are expecting, then next comes the gender reveal (which needs to stop), then the birth video, and then the kids are in every video and they stop making videos that they used to make, i.e. beauty, gaming, DIY, comedy, etc. There are laws for reasons, but for a vlogger, they just don't seem to apply. It's like child labor laws have never been heard of before.
So my 5yo refused to have a Christmas picture taken at grandmas house because she knew it would be posted to Facebook. I had to stand my ground and defend her decision. My mom was so mad, but I had to be firm that my girls did not want their pictures on social media.
My kids love watching Ryan and the Johnson family on youtube. I don't find their content to be upsetting. It's mostly the family dressing up and playing pretend with each other or playing barbies or what not. But that family that adopted a special needs son, put his whole life online and then got rid of him can gtfo. I'm okay with parents helping their kids make kid centered content. Not adults using their kids private moments for clicks.
Agreed. If a youtuber or any other kind of influencer is having a kids, end the internet conversation at, "I'm having a child, things might change for a bit, you won't be seeing them, I can answer questions but that's it."
or unless its very clear that they're indulging the childs idea for a video or its 5 second clips of ouch charlie, children are precious when they're being genuine i kinda dont want all of it gone if possible
It just pisses me off soo much that there is an entire generation of people who say what child stardom did to people like Linsey Lohan and Britney Spears and Selina Gomez and not only did nothing, but made it easier to make child stars and turned their own children into stars for the sake of money. I can't even stand contemplating the amount of children who are growing up right now being taught that they need as much online attention as possible, that are being exploited, that are having privacy ripped away from them in their formative years. It straight up makes me start crying. And I really do think we've already started seeing the effects of that sort of thing. Even outside of family vlogging, you see people like the Paul brothers and what they've done to get fame. And what they're doing now in comparison. Children on social media just has the serious capacity for some really screwed up mentalities.
It's the whole Justin Bieber phenomenon. Everyone saw a little boy on RU-vid asking to be famous and between his mother and a clever marketing scheme concocted by professional agents, he succeeded. Now everyone hopes that they and their children can do the same so there is no shame or lines they can't cross in striving to reach their own public success.
I think that the second the child shows discomfort, a line needs to be drawn. I feel bad that this kid had to go to these lengths to try to get their mom to stop using their image
Not necessarily. It’s entitled and insensitive but not exclusively narcissist behaviour (it’s just important to remember that not all people with NPD are abusive and not all abusive people have NPD)
The lack of bodily autonomy given to these kids honestly really horrifies me. I'm truly so grateful that my mom was aggressively in favor of keeping mine and my sisters images off of the internet so much. I can't image how horrific it must be to go back and look at your life being made into a consumable object.
When RU-vid family vlogs first started, I loved them. Then the formats started to change entirely focusing on their children only and not caring about their kids' wishes. I've dropped majority of them, only watch a few who actually listen to their kids, ask consent first. "Oh -kid- told me they didn't want to be in today's vlog." Leave it at that and go about as normal. If you force your kids to be on camera or post an overwhelming amount of photos of them online, sharing too much information about their life, I have no respect for you as a person.
I understand what this teenager is on about. I regularly google my own name to make sure you won't find much about me. I am a teacher, so I need to make sure my pupils won't find anything they might use against me. The only things you actually find on me is 1. my family tree, 2. Me winning a music contest and 3. me winning a prize at the local bookstore's monthly quiz. I take good care that it stays that way.
I mean, they don't mean Bad, they are children. When was school, one of my teachers once accidently left a magazine (one for intellectuals) in class and there was an article on nudists Back in 8th grade. My classmates found it ewwww, He got in Trouble for that and I remember him being very stressed Out. Luckily, they resolved the issue. At another time, my classmates found a Part-time teacher's PUBLIC Instagram Account and started following him while He copied some papers, He came Back half-running. He tried to have a grin on His face as He asked us about it, but He did seem stressed out.
The difference between being in commercials and vlogging is, vlogging logs what is presumably your "real" life. Also, since stuff in the internet is forever, there will always be an abundant source of private information publicly available. This level of the child's vulnerability treated that callously for financial gain is not worth it to me. My kid can choose to be a vlogger when they turn into an adult. Until then, nope.
Also - let's discuss how, even if a child really really wants to be posted all over the internet, that's not necessarily what's _best for them._ It's the *_parent's_* responsibility to be mature, and protect the privacy of a child who is too young to properly understand and consent. If you think it's okay to completely publicise your child's life, just because the _child_ says that's what they want at the time, you shouldn't be a parent.
I used to watch Texan in Tokyo. I was bummed but totally supportive when they stopped doing RU-vid. They wanted to stop because they wanted to have kids and they dont want to gradually be numb to over sharing...
In Germany we have two "family vloggers" that always seem to Pop out a new baby once the clicks go down. They each have four Kids now. The last ones born this year. And it makes me Sick that their viewers dont care. And the Parents dont care as well. And of course since each pregnancy is so different it's the perfect content to exploit
The pictures I post of my kids are for family to see. So it's the generic 1st day of school pic, accomplishment pics, holiday pics ext. But I in no way post images of the kids that could be taken out of context, or them looking crazy or embarrass them. Some things are just meant to be in a family album for nostalgia and not online for the world. But it is a grey area and I respect them as well as recognize what my posts could do for their future. Some people just don't draw a line and post everything...which is wrong in my personal opinion...
I really respect what Matpat and Stephanie (from Game/film/food theory) have done. They had a son a few years ago, and they told their subscribers, but he isn't part of their channels at all. They mention him sometimes, but if they ever do a livestream, they have someone babysit or one of them isn't there so he's not on camera.
It feels like the Truman show. It was supposed to show just the first year or two, but became so popular, it continued on without Truman even knowing. Influencing Truman by "killing off the dad" and choosing a wife for him. There was an audience to every second of Trumans life, commenting, buying merchandise with his face on and "fans" trying to meet Truman. I watched that movie more than fifteen years ago in English class, before Social Media was a thing, but even back then, I had goosebumps. I especially loved the ending, we don't know where Truman goes. Is he well? Does he meet up with the woman he was looking for? Did he get revenge? It is none of our business! We have no rights to anything about his life! I feel like that movie (and discussion of the spark notes) should be mandatory for every family vlogger.
I auditioned to be a model when I was 12 or 13 and my mom was uncomfortable with me being like the youngest kid there. I went to one class after they accepted me and my parents asked if I wanted to do modeling or continue being on the swim team because both would be too much and I was old enough to think well I could make a profit off of modeling at some point but swimming probably not. I ended up choosing swimming anyway.
Can I weigh in here. I just became apparent about three months ago. I gave birth to a beautiful baby girl and while I do talk about her I’m social media I don’t really post images that often. Maybe the other photo of us Christmas shopping or a photo of like milestones other than that I really can’t post. So as of right now my daughter is three months old and so you know you take those week one week to week three month one month to month three photos and in the beginning I started doing that and posting and then I just kind of stopped. There are a lot of really weird people out there so I actually have a lot of blocks on who can see my pictures who I don’t want to see my pictures and if really anything I won’t post her face I’ll just post a picture of me holding her with the back of her head. So I think it’s OK to post images of your child but be mindful of what you’re posting and how you’re posting it. That was also a discussion me and my husband had on images we would be OK with posting and what we aren’t OK posting. So it’s a fine line and then when they become older just listen to your kids if they don’t want images on Instagram or Facebook or any other social media platform listen to them.
I also think it doesn't matter the intentions, having a camera around you all the time, knowing strangers will see those videos, impact the way these kids perceive reality. The times I watched family vlogs I saw the kids wanting to do something so they could have the camera's attention. Imagine growing up with that level of being and wanting to be perceived.
I think about this a lot whenever I see the Kardashians and their kids. Kendall and Kylie were like 9 years old when they started appearing on TV, and now that they all have kids (except for Kendall), people have literally seen them since their birth. I can’t imagine growing up in front of a TV crew/iPhone camera and thinking it’s normal to have everyone knowing every detail of your childhood, incluiding their parents’ messy dramas
I wonder how Elle from the ACE family will feel when she's a young teen? You can tell already in some of the videos she's not feeling it and I think she's only 4 or 5. I'm not saying they are bad parents, she is very well taken care of and loved BUT..... Yes I agree with what you both are saying.
i took a road trip w my dad when I was 14 (not at all a blogger or anything) but I found out he had been writing daily diaries of everything we did that day and stuff I said / things i did and posting them to his Facebook. i was really upset and uncomfy and didn’t enjoy any of the rest of the trip bc I was a super private person and it felt like a violation and that was only to his Facebook friends. it really is gonna depend on the kid but i feel like you really need to wait until they’re old enough to make that decision
I feel so sorry for the Shaytard kids. I used to watch the vlogs when I was a teen and didn't see anything wrong with it at the time, but now as an adult I see how manipulative and exploitative the entire thing is. It makes me so uncomfortable.
I’ve recently discovered The Dad Challenge Podcast and he is extremely passionate about taking down family vloggers because they are exploiting their children for money. These kids need better protection.
I'd say I consider exploiting your own children for financial gains is absolutely abuse. All the different scenarios people post, they can be very embarrassing and emotionally damaging for kids
I'm really try to avoid watching kids on RU-vid for exactly this reason. In cases like the Try Guys where kids occasionally show up I'll give it a pass, but I unsubbed from Mr. Kate, because I felt the new baby was becoming part of their brand. They don't seem like bad parents to me, but I just prefer to steer clear of family content entirely.
I was born in 1990. So grew up as internet age started growing. We were cautioned to be careful about information we put out there. Minimize contact info, watch photos as it can bite you later in regards to hobs etc. Heck, I knew people who were expelled because they posted a video of themselves bullying another student. So why is it okay for vloggers to put EVERYTHING out their of their lives. I know parents who are very cautious and selective of what they share about their children- using ages or initials etc. In the same way that I censor myself what I post.
Yikes! I’ve never watched those family channels, it just gives me the creeps. I’m so mad at these parents though. It’s probably unfair to say but I think it takes a certain type of parent to do this stuff and it’s not a good type.... No means no. When your teenager says no don’t take a picture of me, don’t do it. And of course there’s the younger kids that don’t know they can say no. I grew up with a mom who really didn’t want any boundaries between us, not even personal boundaries. She still gets upset when I tell her not to drink from my glass or walk in on me while in the bathroom. We talk about it and she gets better but then she feels like there’s too much distance between us and she starts pushing my boundaries again. I love her, I want to be close to her, but every human has a right to healthy boundaries. And it’s so important to support healthy boundaries with your children because it teaches them how to form boundaries for other relationships. All through high school and college I had a hard time setting personal boundaries and as a result I was walked all over by other people and ever worse was abused because I didn’t know how or when to stick up for myself. I’ve learned a lot since then and my life is finally starting to feel like it’s in my own hands but there’s a lot of things that happened because I didn’t know to stick up for myself and they haunt me still. I don’t want that for anyone and it makes me angry that this is happened to so many kids and people are celebrating the parents who do it
On Facebook I always see moms post pictures of their newborns the second they are born naked and all showing their genitalia. It’s super disturbing, I’m a mom and I’m super careful about the photos I post of my son. He and myself have already had our identities stolen, so I’m careful how long our photos stay up. Also I no longer have him as my cover photo on Facebook because I don’t need people knowing how he looks. It’s not their business. I even have to tell my friends and family to not post pictures of my son on the internet (not all of them listen to me because they think it’s ridiculous 🙄 but I don’t want my son online anymore because of nasty ugly people) and then there’s always that one person who’s like “you aren’t proud of your son because you never post him” like wtf step off I don’t post him because of pedos
This is why I have issues with even posting stuff about my kids in fb. I don't want my kids to have a whole internet identity before they're fully formed humans.
My boyfriend is not on social media and so doesn't like it when i post pictures of him or use his name. I had questions from people wandering if we split up. No. He wants to stay away from Facebook and Instagram. And I respect that.
