The EU agrees on AI regulations: What will it mean for people and businesses in the EU? | DW News 

Instead of actually trying to compete they outlaw it. Typical

​@patrickstar686 maybe ist not just about competition but the fact that unregulated AI-development could quite literally destroy human civilization? Or do you think that fear is unwarranted?

@@patrickstar686 They didn't ban the AI in general, just put in place some regulations that protects the regular people from spying companies. I don't know why you find it so bad that they banned facial recognition on a mass scale.

​@@SplendidCookiei agree

Still better than amurica

and if they didn't regulate it, the countries would take care of it themselves and the market would be fragmented, which would make innovation difficult (start-ups got the opportunity to use our supercomputers for AI, so they help innovation)

😂😂😂when can't compete(compete with China) so law is applied.

Exactly what the EU said when regulating IT in the 2000s.

​@@龙卧that's a strange way to claim China is abusing AI

I agree on the act of making regulations for A.I before developing it.

What do think about NCII or non-consensual intimate imagery with no oversight whatsoever?

That was after the fact of it happening. Now Europe is coming out with the laws and legal framework before anything happens

"If you can't innovate, regulate"@@smallpeople172

Yeah, we see exactly where it went.

I still hope that AI regulation succeeds, since it’s a a menace to creators and society alike

yes because USA doesn't care about its citizens, they allow all kinds of invasive practices as long as their government agencies can use them too... I'd rather live in country with rules in place to limit such actions. Such regulations aren't the reason why EU lacks behind technologically, it's mostly about money. Most researchers in the US aren't even american... Silicon Valley without immigrants wouldn't be what it is today

What are you on about? 😂

The thing is there is no AI and they write regulations like we have an "AI problem" like in the movies. It's like they think someone is going to suddenly build "the Terminator" in their garage and they should put up regulations to stop them. They will only stifle AI development, nothing else... i.e. EU will become a more technological backwater than it already is.

lol wwtf you talking about? Apple still follows our laws after pleading to leave the EU market... yet they didnt.. we are still valueable.. meta and twitter tried the same... they still operate here.. our market will always grow, because they wont let themselves to leave

Europe lags FAR behind in tech, space, AI, etc. Regulation at this point needs to be a light touch and evolve over time. @@RazorMouth

So you want a global dicatorship against science & innovation ? Doomers are the new Talibans.

Big tech companies from around the world will still go down on their knees because of the large market... its still profitable for them, they just cant abuse it and steal the users data.. thats what the EU is about.. just like Apple, Twitter, Meta, they all failed when they threatened to leave the EU or threaten with "worse quality products" ... none of that happened... they all know its not a good economical decision to leave EU

all international law is like this, the minute you try apply it universally you enter the issue of “state sovereignty”

Doomers are the new Talibans.

​@@Also_sprach_Zarathustra.what do you mean? for real.

I agree I might want to relocate to the EU😂😂😂😂

The US genuinely has absolutely the potential to be the #1 country in the world, but due to the greedy corporate interests it just isnt (in terms of quality of life etc.), all the US needs to do is to apply laws of EU and it will genuinnly be the best country in the world, but without them, EU is far better for quality of life, and thats what i choose. i dont need money. i want to be happy.

Question: “How do you normally answer a question?” ChatGPT's response: "The way they programmed me to do it." 🤣

​@@trumpforever6706You need to learn a lot!

That's how it works, have an initial regulation and then tweak it going forward. Just like software development version control.

So you want a dicatorship against science & innovation ? Doomers are the new Talibans.

Developers will go where there is innovation, especially if regulation stifles that.

hahaha

Apple went down on their knees. Didnt want USB-C for all devices, yet they did. - threatened to leave EU market. Meta went down on their knees. Didnt want to follow GDPR, yet they did. - threatened to leave the EU market. Twitter went down on their knees... there are so many stories of non-EU companies threatening to leave the EU market.. yet they never do.. curious.. if we are lacking such technology, why do they have to adapt to our level to be able to compete on the market?

Should countries that don't build aircrafts not have laws for aviation?

ah thats why the EU is knows to be... _checks notes_ ... uhhh... _poor, and out of business_ .. right? I remember Apple, Meta and Twitter saying how they would leave the EU and actually leaving the EU - oh wait.. they never left the EU... welp thats akward, seems like you are wrong.

This is called technical progress, just like the invention of the printing press and later the typewriter, the steam engine, and the automobile. It's part of human development and yet we always act as if it were to hit us out of the blue.

​@@ch.k.3377You know cars still have laws applied to them, right? You're acting like not being able to drive drunk is a human rights violation.

It averages to a 10th of that, and the EU also invests that money in things like Europol, defense, the space industry, infrastructure, aviation security, frontex, educational programs, scientific research, etc. It also gives you free trade, global political cloud, a backup security umbrella to NATO, as well as the best environmental protections, labor market protections, consumer protections, etc. in the world. Equally importantly, it creates a framework in which former enemies can communicate and cooperate, creating peace and stability. From a purely economic perspective, the EU is a clear net positive. I would say it is the same from a political and social (quality of life) standpoint.

@@HappyCatholicDanei was just joking but let me respond… I live and work in the Netherlands and we are probably the highest net contributor in the EU. I think you’re off in your calculations. You’re right on some the things you mention, but the I have some issues with the foundations off the EU. 1. Basically they’ve made production of goods nearly impossible with very strict legislation. (It’s not impossible, but unprofitable unless it’s something extremely technologically advanced like chip manufacturing). Now that seems all in our best interest, but in practice it means we import most goods from other countries that don’t have these consumer/labor protection laws. Please question yourself what free trade actually is. 2. For military and intelligence we completely rely on the US (and thus have to go along with all the ‘nice’ things that military industrial complex brings to the world). This means apart from our huge internal market, we are not so much a global power house when Russia shows up at our border. We already have Nato, so what what exactly is the EU’s role here? 3. Financially it’s a mess. People have lost so much money with the introduction of the Euro (and the majority is completely unaware) that just makes me sad. I know the Euro and EU are two different thing, but you can’t deny there deeply intertwined. Combining northern and southern European economies into one currency was never a good idea imo. I sincerely hope universal currency like bitcoin becomes a thing, so politics can’t influence the value of your savings, pensions and labor. That’s not how things should work imo. In general i’m not against the idea of the EU, but let’s say there is work for improvement. Just wanted to share my perspective.

​@@floris44can you give example for the first one please?

@@igormatkowski5488 electronics, furniture, textiles, toys, construction materials, automobile parts, household goods, plastic products, medical equipment, footwear

@@floris44 I meant an example of how the EU makes these things unmanufacturable in Europe

Question: “How do you normally answer a question?” ChatGPT's response: "The way they programmed me to do it." 🤣

​@@trumpforever6706You are mistaken. AI is not a "program" like you think.

@@Eelis0 you're both wrong.

@@AhmetTekin101 AI is a program, but created not by constructing sophisticated algorithm, but build huge equation and tune thousands of its factors by feeding lots of data and evolutionary selecting the ones who gave answers closer to desired.

@@palar4195 Wrong!

So the Chinese firewall is a good thing even though no one really likes it? Thats just part of the course...

Doomers are the new Talibans.

They don't need algorithms for that... That's what their entire business is built around😅

@@inkotanyirwabugiri5725 they do use algorithms though... an algorithm is "a process or set of rules to be followed in calculations or other problem-solving operations, especially by a computer." they use many statistics to come up with rates based on gender, age, place of residence, type of car you drive, job you do and who knows how many more data points. AI or not they'll be doing just as "fine"

Its not about the "killing" its about safety for the common citizen. Literally go to the first website when you search AI Act, and you will see this: Unacceptable risk AI systems are systems considered a threat to people and will be banned. They include: -Cognitive behavioural manipulation of people or specific vulnerable groups: for example voice-activated toys that encourage dangerous behaviour in children -Social scoring: classifying people based on behaviour, socio-economic status or personal characteristics -Real-time and remote biometric identification systems, such as facial recognition

@@petrkdn8224 its not about the killing its about laws only applying to governments when they want them to

@graveperil2169 so you are telling me it would be completely fine for someone to track all your data about you, judge you based on your sex, religion and race, place of residence, and be able to scan your face ? That doesn't sound very free to me.. of course, if you want it, you got it, but if you don't, you have the right to refuse all that. I've been rejecting cookies for years now and I'm getting ads in different languages lol, GDPR is lovely

@@petrkdn8224 no what i am saying is governments do not care about laws if its to their advantage they will ignore it

There are levels of invention of AI that have already been achieved in closed development but won't be released until the laws are made due to humanities well-being concerns. So no, and it is really just the opposite.

Then why are Germany and France, two of the most regulated countries in Europe amongst the Top 10 countries in the GSEI, which ranks best places for startups?

If that was true Sweden would not be a leader in innovation (#2 in Global Innovation index after Switzerland) and being home to some of the biggest start-ups globally?

What exactly does innovation mean to you then? Finding smarter ways to destroy the planet? To exploit children or tank everyone's quality of life?

@@markusolofzon we may have startups here but those companies get sold to US companies soon after success.

If they want, they can do it 👍

OMG, you just solved the problem for Apple, Meta, Twitter and many other tech companies who certainly DID NOT threaten to leave the EU, yet they never did..

and before that , people were saying EU lost the tech race... yet Apple still clings on in the EU after being forced to use USB-C, Meta still clings on after having to store EU citizen data in the EU, and twitter too... arent their profits big enough to leave the EU? or have they realized that maybe stealing user data maybe isnt the most ethical way of profiting?

anytime you hear somebody say "this is a good thing", run, or do the opposite.

But you do know that BTC is up 60% in 6 months and ETH has doubled since last year. Or why did you bring that up?

@@patrickstar686 It's been used for many of international scams and by some of the most wanted criminal organizations. That a few people made huge profits from the market manipulation scheme doesn't mean that it's a good thing or a positive force for society.

​@mistressfreezepeach so you think regulation of AI-Technology is a bad thing?

Cryptocurrency was a scam from day one. So is AI.

why?

@@graveperil2169 Because the facial recognitions use the Machine Learning from Artificial Intelligence to train with the biometric data of the vulnerable people and to store them to the databases of the governments or private companies. These stored data could be posteriorly used for AI robots of another nations to do fear, detain or attack to the tracked vulnerable people. It is a must to accomplish the international human rights where the AI machines are installed in the airports that are the bridges between nations.

@@juancarlospizarromendez3954 also be use to free up thousands of hours of police time watching videos trying to locate suspects we all ready NPR for cars why not facial recognition for people

Did you miss the part that there will be exceptions for police and military? Airports will be exempt as a matter of "national security" as will most public places

@@kezia8027So that inside of these exemptions, they must be AI regulated meticulously to avoid the people's data breach to evil hands! Moreover, the privacy of the people's must be respected, habitually not possible in each company from Internet.

Same thoughts here.

This is not somalia where everyone plays as little anarchists, this is europe with it's own laws and law enforcement.

There not saying that AI needs to function a certain way. They are saying you can't use Ai unless it meets certain guidelines.

Yes that's why most of the world follows EU regulations.

The truth will be countries need a Internet police force + international laws will be needed to protect every countries + people. Everyone at risk of bad programming + A.I intelligent awakening. There needs to be watches/ police force watching if the technology is missed used . I don't believe in stopping the advances in A.I technology will stop problems! Only a strong police force will help protected Everyone now .

This isn't really how that works. Any AI, including those outside of the EU will be excluded from the EU market if they do not comply with these regulations. International companies will comply even if they don't want to. Missing out of the EU market is not a loss worth waiving a few regulations. There is also the Brussels effect in which countries adopt the EU standard for regulation because that would be more viable financially. It won't take long before the US enforces these same rules.

@@ttt5205they will just reallocate their development team of that technology somewhere else like in China or south corea or the US and then adapt it to every regulation they need however that will damage the development of more local emerging players in the EU that won’t be able to have the same flexibility to adapt their research to the new regulations , I don’t think the US will do that they will just wait and keep getting more advantage over Europe and China by attracting more talent and companies that don’t want to complain with the EU regulations , it will only damage Europe capacity to became independent and competitive on that field

@@dejabu24 Again that is not how it works, you can put your development team on the moon and it still wouldn't make a difference, if you want your product to be able to enter the European market, which is something practically every single one of these major companies want, you will have to comply with the regulations. Otherwise your product will simply be blocked in the EU.

It's impossible. You should just reconsider the nature of your reality, and stop believing everything like a zelot.

@@Also_sprach_Zarathustra. impossible? well, to create it, you need some sort of software right.. then you just search out "best deepfake software" on the internet and youve got your culprit. Arrest and fine heavily, take down the software and done. For deepfakes, they would need to have someone who creates this software independently and only a few people know about it and its not uploaded or shared through the internet, otherwise it would be found... so fidning the one who created its really simple. Or force deepfake software to have identifiable marks

The regulation is for the tool that AI is, not the end product. And of course the regulation does something - it affects a wealthy market that these companies want and need to operate in. Just like with other EU legislation that has cut down on anti-consumer practices by these companies, EU citizens are put in a better position thanks to the negotiating power of the whole bloc.

And will only apply to Europe. Let's hope Europe isn't left behind like it has been during the tech boom.@@serebii666

Fine you guys can leads yourself, we're just going to do our own thing. we're not interested in your bs 😂

Thats already covered, the datasets have to be public and you can request not the be present in the dataset otherwise the Ai creator is using your likeness without your consent

@@petrkdn8224 Thank you

you really didn’t get the memo? Writing in all caps does not make you more respectable.

Did you just blow in from Stupidtown, or is your reading comprehension just that bad?

Meta, Apple and Twitter certainly believe in EU objectives as they have failed to leave the EU as they said they would (At different points in time)

so what? are you worried youll be recognized after you rob a bank? or have you never robbed a bank and wont have an issue getting facial recognition? I mean, these days its so fast, it can be done anywhere and you wont even notice it so why bother with it so much? what are they gonna do? pat you on the head for being a good boy?

@@petrkdn8224 My comment was addressing that irony of regulating facial recognition but giving an exemption to the only real source of abusing it.

The delusional belief that regulation spurs innovation rather than strangle it in the crib.

@@Tribuneoftheplebs "What are you going to do next, shoot bullets at sand so you can say you stopped AI silicon wafers?"

freezepeach apparently equals the freedom to talk absolute gibberish lol

@@Jack-e5t What a condescending way to say you don't understand these simple comments.

@@mistressfreezepeach 🤣

As same as your toaster does.

And letting companies do whatever they want is worse (cough cough climate change)

We are all to blame for climate change not just the 'evil corporations'@@attilaabonyi8879

Innovation for what purpose? Certainly not for us humans who are already bad at preventing disasters.

@@CJKenjiiUBI

what fear?

Safety for me and 450million other EU citizens. We are glad that we dont have our data stolen and used for immoral practices

Unlike in the US, in the EU ordinary people come first, businesses second.

Are a nice fantasy to explore fictional settings and ideas but are not realistic for real world applications.

Endorsed by who?

Did anyone say ”Boston Dynamics”?

flaws in those three laws.

AI can't brake laws

@@mastervibes2296 ha ha ha naive

@@hangender the ones who build the law-breaking AI break the laws.. you are saying like the gun is responsible for deaths when its the gunman (and lack of control of guns) ...

@@petrkdn8224 AI makes its own decisions. How can the one that made it be responsible? Is God also responsible for sins of men?

@hangender if AI makes its own decisions , how come GPT 4 be better than GPT 3.5 ? if AI always made its decisions, then 50% of the time GPT 3.5 should be better

Good news is that only the military + police can develop this technology . Other part's of economic can't.

@@FredHousehold What? Private business is driving all the advances in the tech.

@@jlpowell51 Good question 🤔?

"enemies" if they want to operate in the EU market, they will still need to follow the regulations... Apple threatened to leave EU, they didnt, same with Facebook, Twitter, Meta, etc... so many big tech went down on their knees and sucked up the laws.

its literally the first ever AI law set, there will be edits and new laws to come in couple years/decades..

OMG! EU, look, rogue AI on the loose!!

About time the EU really put an end to any hope of competing in the Tech sector at all. Good job!

about time AI was relegated to only being legally usable by military institutions to increase the "efficiency" of war, murder and police states.

@@patrickstar686 tell that to Apple meta and twitter who tried leaving EU market too, and failed.

@@petrkdn8224 they never tried leaving. Why would they want to leave are you crazy? They just dont offer jobs in the EU.