Just had to make a few more tweaks, now this video is good to go. Anyways, here's the history of appearances made in animation by Disney's Brazilian green parrot! I own nothing.
To the native Portuguese speakers, thank you so much on correcting my grammar at the end. Portuguese isn’t my first language, so your help is appreciated!
@@diegodamg3666 calculo que para un hablante portugués que no le respeten el acento puede ser un insulto, como de la misma manera los gringos mezclan la cultura mexicana con la española
There has been a great linguistic revolution in the last few decades here in Brazil, there was a period that the Spanish took over here, but we all ride in our jaguars and fight for Portuguese again
@@GabsHo311 Please read this. Brazil never spoke Spanish pt.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hist%C3%B3ria_do_Brasil Voçe tem nome de brasileiro em, Estou descofiando
Funny how they've been consistently mispronouncing José's name since his original VA died. I guess most Americans don't realize that Spanish and Portuguese are different languages.
@@spipapi like he said , most americans do not realize that Brazil speaks portuguese , not spanish. they probably think that anything south of USA is just spanish.
Walt Disney: "I created José when i went to Brazil. He is a brazilian character and i made it clear that he speaks portuguese, not spanish." Everyone after his death: "MeXiCaN BiRd"
@@m2cscream I ain't Brazilian but I perfectly understand what you are saying, it's a loss of identity, the accent the language, even the character itself is screaming I am brazilian, and yet they gave him a Mexican accent, and Spanish language, I hate when they think that all latinoamerica is just México, and this hate increase when a character like this loss the things that make him a representation of his country, its like a Chilean whitout saying weon.
I think its adorable that Donald starts off as unsure about him and unable to understand him but over time he learns more and more about him and the language and they become close friends
@@l.h.9747 the voice actor died, and as Disney probably did not have any Brazilian to voice, he ended up hiring someone who knew Spanish to replace him (it is worth remembering that a lot of the world thinks that Spanish is spoken in Brazil)
"So, you live in Brazil." "Yes." "South America?" "Yes."" "Surrounded by a bunch of latin languages and people that came centuries ago, like the spanish?" "Yes." "And you got colonized by the portuguese?" "Yes." "So you speak spanish."
MANO, PORTUGUES BRASILEIRO É UMA MIATURA DO PORTUGUES DE PORTUGUAL COM AS FORMAS DE FALAR DOS INDIGENAS E POR AI VAI, VOCES DOS ESTADOS UNIDOS FICAM INVENTADO COISA MAS... miau tem nada não meu irmão hehehe👌
consigo até entender o Mickey e os outros personagens falando "Hosê" por eles falarem em inglês e a sílaba "jo" não ser muito comum nessa linguagem, mas o próprio José Carioca falando "Hosê" é uma puta palhaçada
¿What about "you speak taco"? "But one is a joke and the other is a serious problem." When a shooting occurred in a state like Texas or Arizona, several of you say: "It is because of the bad influence that the abundance of Latin people brings".
I think the only time José's name is said during the 2017 Ducktales is by Panchito, so he would obviously pronounce the "J" as an "H". But when José sees the nephews, he say "Os patinhos!" which is Portuguese. So at least 2017 Ducktales remembered he's Brazilian
@@predator5775 Actually no, if they really respected the source materials properly they wouldn't drastically change some characters or present them as other nationalities. For example, Magica is from the Naples area near Vesuvius, so southern Italy, and should be Italian, not English. Like José is Brazilian, not Mexican. Unfortunately Angones, who was the editor of Ducktales 2017, said he couldn't take the Italian accent seriously. So much for originality and respect for other nationalities.
Pro tip: instead of pronouncing the J like H in 'home' try pronouncing it like the J in 'Joe' it is much closer to portuguese. (not perfect, but much better than "Ho se")
Rumble Roller I hope he returns and he might be when the new flower comes back. ( you know at the end when there's the eyeball that falls and replant a the flower at the end of the episode)
Bernardo’s accent (from the Ducktales clip) is the perfect representation of most English speaking Brazilians accents A nice change of pace considering most VAs after the original were just making a Mexican/Latino accent for some reason and calling him Rosé
@@jaumtzlTradução que o Googlinho Tradutor fez: O sotaque de Bernado (do clipe Ducktales) é a representação perfeita da maioria dos sotaques brasileiros que falam inglês Uma boa mudança de ritmo, considerando que a maioria dos VAs após o original estava apenas fazendo um sotaque mexicano/latino por algum motivo e chamando-o de Rosé
@@jospantostado5406 Because it can refer to both. Even so America is technically not a continent, There is North America and South America, and there's no real reason for refer to both of them as "America" at once anyway, considering how radically different both regions are in location and the confusion it would cause. You would say "The Americas" if you wanted to refer to both, leaving "America" primarily as a shorthand for the USA.
Pseer eu tava jogando com uma amiga Q N FALA INGLÊS e chegou um jogador aleatório falando pra parar de falar espanhol e ele ainda disse q era fluente em espanhol
It was funny because I was about to comment about how the creators paid attention to the fact that Brazilians speak Portuguese not Spanish but then video kept playing
@@Doutor_pest Velho, ele literalmente disse que tava feliz que pesquisaram que o Brasil fala português mas aí com o passar dos anos o Zé foi falando espanhol e esqueceram o português, e o cara achou isso ruim porque separa da identidade do personagem - e tu manda ele se foder? Interpretação de texto né
0:20 josé carioca: cavalheiro! Aqui esta meu cartão pato donald: JoSéEÉ CAoCoU WiO De JAnEiROro BrAsIL josé carioca: não senhor! José carioca. Rio De Janeiro brasil kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
Don't get me wrong, these are *all* great to straight LEGENDARY VAs. But the OG (Jose Oliviera, who was in both Saludos Amigos and 3 Caballeros to my recollection) is actually Brazillian, and effortlessly incorporates nuance into the character while speaking very casually. There's a softness and warmth to the original José's voice that carries its own brand of infectious charm and charisma, *without* playing into the "exotic" Latin lover stereotype that a lot of future adaptations would pull. Another big problem with other VAs is that I think they focus too much on *making* a voice that emphasizes a Latino accent, more Mexican than Brazillian, just so you *know* that the character is definitely not white. But when that isn't your real voice like with white actor Rob Paulsen (House of Mouse), it becomes all the harder to flesh out a character with it because your focus is on the voice itself. For many future adaptations, I feel José's personality IS the accent. And it's quite a shame, because as racist as Walt could be (even the 3 Caballeros have very stereotypical outfits), the original José and Panchito felt the closest to real bilingual people that I've ever seen in cartoons, because their VAs were ACTUALLY billingual and could carry their natural selves into the voices. Plus Walt wasn't afraid to just let the characters speak full-stop Portuguese and Spanish like real billingual people, unapologetic and not caring to be fully understood by white audiences, which even Coco's writers didn't do from my memory (LOVE Coco tho!!!) *Edit:* Thanks for the likes! A few clarifiers: - Zé was actually designed by a Brazillian! Cartoonist José Carlos de Brito made the outfit, which I think doesn't make it "stereotypical". - Someone in the replies points out that even though Zé is clearly from Rio de Janerio, the original VA was not, and it shows in slight subtleties in the accent. Which makes sense, just look how much difference there is between Southern and Northern US accents. - For those with no reading comprehension, I did NOT generalize all future José VAs as white because that's simply not true. I simply stated one example, Paulsen, to illustrate the greater point that actors without a Brazillian/Rio accent are bound to lose authenticity in the performance of a character from Rio.
Idk why you refer to whites and latin Americans as if they are two completely different entities as if half the population of south America wasn't white If you wish to refer to people from the USA specifically just use American or something
Ironically, Oliveira wasn't a carioca; he was actually from São Paulo, and he lacks the accent people from Rio de Janeiro tend to have (such as pronouncing the "S" as "sh", like Portuguese people do). I still love his voice as José; he sounds youthful and warm, and the way he gets excited when he first meets Donald is adorable.
Unfortunately his older voice, Brazilian musician and comedian Jose Olivera, is no longer with us. Have you ever seen Jose Olivera perform? I have a couple of times on The Mickey Mouse Club and believe me, he is just as lively and animated as his animated parrot counterpart!
@@angelicvs a representação mexicana e o galo, e o Zé carioca e brasil msm, nas animações meio que ele também representa america Latina, ele só aparece de Méxicano pq no cenário mundial os mexico e mais falando que o Brasil, então sempre que eles tem a oportunidade de mostrar ele e no cenário mexicano, tanto que as suas vestes nunca mudou
Representação do Brasil em José carioca: sempre sem dinheiro mas acha um jeito de se virar pelo jeitinho malandro; conquistador (comedor de casadas); Sempre fala muito e mais alto possível; O mais perdido do rolé (ao nível Ronaldinho Gaúcho); E adora fazer tudo na base da zueira e diversão.
@@sethleoric2598 yup! There are comics of him in the Netherlands and some in dutch. They rotate with the Donald comics. He has a wide comic history. Even Brazil hope to make new Zé stories next year.
American running to a brazilian: Help me I don't know this spanish Brazilian: Na verdade é português sua manga careca (It's actually portuguese ya bald mango) American: what?
Man his name is literally "José Carioca" HOW THE HELL SOMEONE THINKED THAT """""TURN""""" HE INTO A MEXICAN WOULD MAKES SENSE?!??!?!?! WHERE IN THE WORLD A MEXICAN IS CALLED CARIOCA!??!?!?!? CARIOCA IS HOW WE CALL PEOPLE WHO ARE FROM RIO DE JANEIRO! (E sim caso vc esteja se perguntando eu sou br '-')
PORTUGUÊS Eu sou do Brasil, e sou brasileiro da cidade de são paulo-sp, e nasci em 1983,, e eu sou um grande fã do jose carioca, ou zé carioca como falamos aqui no brasil, e muito obrigado a walt disney pela linda homenagem para o meu brasil, com esse desenho, mas mesmo assim eu amo o personagem brasileiro da walt disney, o JOSE CARIOCA- ZÉ CARIOCA, mesmo eu sendo de são paulo e o personagem sendo do rio, mas o personagem não representa somente a cidade do rio de janeiro e o estado do rio de janeiro, mais sim o brasil e nossa nação brasileira , mas com todo respeito por favor, walt disney no brasil nós falamos PORTUGUES e não espanhol, apenas algumas cenas era brasileiro a voz do JOSE CARIOCA - ZE CARIOCA como falamos aqui no brasil , por favor retire esse erro vergonhoso de uma voz espanhola no jose carioca, e conserte esse erro com ator do brasil , para estar falando em portugues com o nosso querido papagaio brasileiro,eu agradeço a homenagem para o brasil e a nossa nação, muito obrigado walt disney. ENGLISH I am from Brazil, and I am Brazilian from the city of São Paulo-SP, and I was born in 1983, and I am a big fan of Jose Carioca, or Ze Carioca as we speak here in Brazil, and thank you very much to Walt Disney for the beautiful tribute for my brazil, with this cartoon, but even so i love the brazilian character from walt disney, JOSE CARIOCA- ZÉ CARIOCA, even though i'm from são paulo and the character is from rio, but the character doesn’t just represent the city of rio de janeiro and the state of rio de janeiro, but brazil and our brazilian nation, but with all due respect, walt disney in brazil we speak PORTUGUESE and not Spanish, only a few scenes was the voice of JOSE CARIOCA - ZE CARIOCA as we speak here in brazil, please remove this shameful error from a spanish voice in jose carioca, and fix this error with brazilian actor, to be speaking in portuguese with our dear brazilian parrot, i thank the tribute for brazil and our nation, thank you very much walt disney.
So guys, In Portuguese the “j” sounds more like yours “Joseph” than the Spanish “José”. It’s just not as strongly pronounced like in your language, maybe a linguistic can help you... Oh wait
PORTUGUÊS Eu sou do Brasil, e sou brasileiro da cidade de são paulo-sp, e nasci em 1983,, e eu sou um grande fã do jose carioca, ou zé carioca como falamos aqui no brasil, e muito obrigado a walt disney pela linda homenagem para o meu brasil, com esse desenho, mas mesmo assim eu amo o personagem brasileiro da walt disney, o JOSE CARIOCA- ZÉ CARIOCA, mesmo eu sendo de são paulo e o personagem sendo do rio, mas o personagem não representa somente a cidade do rio de janeiro e o estado do rio de janeiro, mais sim o brasil e nossa nação brasileira , mas com todo respeito por favor, walt disney no brasil nós falamos PORTUGUES e não espanhol, apenas algumas cenas era brasileiro a voz do JOSE CARIOCA - ZE CARIOCA como falamos aqui no brasil , por favor retire esse erro vergonhoso de uma voz espanhola no jose carioca, e conserte esse erro com ator do brasil , para estar falando em portugues com o nosso querido papagaio brasileiro,eu agradeço a homenagem para o brasil e a nossa nação, muito obrigado walt disney. ENGLISH I am from Brazil, and I am Brazilian from the city of São Paulo-SP, and I was born in 1983, and I am a big fan of Jose Carioca, or Ze Carioca as we speak here in Brazil, and thank you very much to Walt Disney for the beautiful tribute for my brazil, with this cartoon, but even so i love the brazilian character from walt disney, JOSE CARIOCA- ZÉ CARIOCA, even though i'm from são paulo and the character is from rio, but the character doesn’t just represent the city of rio de janeiro and the state of rio de janeiro, but brazil and our brazilian nation, but with all due respect, walt disney in brazil we speak PORTUGUESE and not Spanish, only a few scenes was the voice of JOSE CARIOCA - ZE CARIOCA as we speak here in brazil, please remove this shameful error from a spanish voice in jose carioca, and fix this error with brazilian actor, to be speaking in portuguese with our dear brazilian parrot, i thank the tribute for brazil and our nation, thank you very much walt disney.
O q n é nada de mais se vc for parar pra ver. N é como se a criança nunca fosse ver/ já tenha visto um fumante Achar q a criança vai copiar tudo o q ela vê em um desenho é o cúmulo.
@@Furina_-_De_-_Cuntaine Sim mano é quase como se tivessem tirado um rim dele💔 Eu até entendo José e Cigarro pq coisa e tal mas Panchito foi sacanagem mano💔
I know a lot of people are upset about the voice actors but let's just appreciate the friendship they have like it's so much better than the one he has with Mickey and Goofy
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O primeiro dublador era mais brasileiro que todos (pq ele de fato era um paulista, mesmo que o personagem more no rio) The first voice actor was more Brazilian than everyone else (because he was actually from São Paulo, even though the character lives in Rio)
see the difference: *Brazilian portuguese* (🇧🇷): Olá, sabia que os brasileiros não falam espanhol? Obrigada! _________________________________ *Latin Spanish* (🇪🇸🇦🇷🇵🇪🇪🇨🇨🇴🇲🇽🇨🇺🇵🇾🇺🇾 _and others_ ): Hola, ¿sabías que los brasileños no hablan español? Gracias! *English* (🇺🇲🇬🇧): Hello, did you know that Brazilians do not speak Spanish? Thank you!
Any misspell will be happily fixed just write point where. 0:19 "Gentleman, here's my card" - "Cavalheiro, aqui está meu cartão" 0:34 "No sir, José Carioca, Rio de Janeiro, Brasil" (In portuguese is writen with "S" not "Z" like Venice that is Venezia in italian) - "Não senhor, José Carioca, Rio de Janeiro, Brasil" 0:59 "Oh Donald, how are you? Hows going on? Where you been? How long we did'nt meet? Or like the american... - "Oh Pato Donald, Como vai você? Como vai essa força? Por onde tem andado? A quanto tempo não te vejo?..." 2:36 "[...]Delicious... (That also can mean Hot/Sexy if you want) - "Deliciosa...." 4:06 "They are to do the first kick, the ball hit and rehit the area, GOAL" - "Eles estão pra dar o pontapé inicial, a bola bate e rebate na área, GOL 5:55 "Play the Samba" - "Toca o Samba" 6:15 "Thanks, Ladies" - "Obrigado, Senhoritas"
PORTUGUÊS Eu sou do Brasil, e sou brasileiro da cidade de são paulo-sp, e nasci em 1983,, e eu sou um grande fã do jose carioca, ou zé carioca como falamos aqui no brasil, e muito obrigado a walt disney pela linda homenagem para o meu brasil, com esse desenho, mas mesmo assim eu amo o personagem brasileiro da walt disney, o JOSE CARIOCA- ZÉ CARIOCA, mesmo eu sendo de são paulo e o personagem sendo do rio, mas o personagem não representa somente a cidade do rio de janeiro e o estado do rio de janeiro, mais sim o brasil e nossa nação brasileira , mas com todo respeito por favor, walt disney no brasil nós falamos PORTUGUES e não espanhol, apenas algumas cenas era brasileiro a voz do JOSE CARIOCA - ZE CARIOCA como falamos aqui no brasil , por favor retire esse erro vergonhoso de uma voz espanhola no jose carioca, e conserte esse erro com ator do brasil , para estar falando em portugues com o nosso querido papagaio brasileiro,eu agradeço a homenagem para o brasil e a nossa nação, muito obrigado walt disney. ENGLISH I am from Brazil, and I am Brazilian from the city of São Paulo-SP, and I was born in 1983, and I am a big fan of Jose Carioca, or Ze Carioca as we speak here in Brazil, and thank you very much to Walt Disney for the beautiful tribute for my brazil, with this cartoon, but even so i love the brazilian character from walt disney, JOSE CARIOCA- ZÉ CARIOCA, even though i'm from são paulo and the character is from rio, but the character doesn’t just represent the city of rio de janeiro and the state of rio de janeiro, but brazil and our brazilian nation, but with all due respect, walt disney in brazil we speak PORTUGUESE and not Spanish, only a few scenes was the voice of JOSE CARIOCA - ZE CARIOCA as we speak here in brazil, please remove this shameful error from a spanish voice in jose carioca, and fix this error with brazilian actor, to be speaking in portuguese with our dear brazilian parrot, i thank the tribute for brazil and our nation, thank you very much walt disney.
Dude That Was Accurate As Hell. Cara, Isso Tá Certo Pra Um Caramba. Agora em mexicano pros gringo fedido: - taco. - Mexicanito Muchachito Burrito, 2020
Que bom que você escreveu em português primeiro, nós brasileiros não iríamos entender se você não explicasse. Agora eu sei que eu não sou mexicano e nem espanhol.
@@somethingwithbungalows it's simply very offensive, similar to call every asian person "chinese". I'm very sad that they just stopped caring about his language
José carioca era o estereótipo "homem cordial" do 1944, com o tempo o estereótipo sumiú e os "gênios " da Disney não conseguiram manter a identidade brasileira e acabou sendo quase mexicana...
É triste ver que um personagem como o jose que no seu começo era super engraçado e gente boa alem de falar realmente portugues, saber que hoje em dia ele sofreu sensura de seu charuto, fala espanhol e nao adota mais o estilo brasileiro de sua epoca(sendo muito animado, ajuda bastante as pessoas e sente praser nisso) se tornando mais como um brasileiro atual que liga apenas pra si mesmo(queria que essa nao fosse nossa realidade).
@@manghamusic2003 geografia não é o forte dos americanos tanto que eles se consideram o único país da América para eles é Canadá,EUA e México o resto é tudo mato ou mar
voces sao latins e parecem muito com a argentina que parece com a espanha que parece com o mexico mas e tudo uma joke no one is facista or racista abou that
@@THETRUTHISHERE2030 See, I myself cannot understand how Americans hear a Brazilian say something (accent br). I have no idea if and because the two languages are similar or something like that. If you know how it works, I would be very grateful :)
I always liked José Carioca only for the fact that he's obviously brazillian and I'm as well. So why the hell did he became mexican/spanish in general right after?
It's amazing how Clarence Nash could pronounce José perfectly in Two Happy Amigos in 1960, and yet in the later appearances, they decided to make José hispanic-ish, having him address himself as "Hosé" with a spanish accent and all.
Acontece. Qualquer pessoa que tem contato com gringo tem o nome trocado. Eu de “Dániél” fui pra “Dãníul” pq a pronúncia em português é o equivalente à “Danielle”. O mesmo que eu português é “Dániélê”. Acho que o Zé só se acostumou e pra gringo ele já muda a pronúncia pra não confundirem ou dar merda
♫ Saudamos a todos, da América do Sul A terra onde o céu sempre é bem azul Saudamos a todos, amigos de coração Que lá deixamos, de quem lembramos Ao cantar essa canção ♫
Im brazilian and here my thoughts on today josé carioca in portuguese: Poxa essa representação do Brasil na disney e ele virou espanhol poxa vida mano para consolo veja um trecho do Reboot do ducktales em português-brasileiro
I don't know what all the "Ze Carioca is becoming Mexican" comments are about. He still seems pretty Brazilian to me, or maybe that's just bias because I'm Brazilian myself. I guess he just has to support Panchito sometimes.
@@kayosf3009 Não tá certo não amigo! Se pronuncia o J de José do mesmo jeito que se pronuncia o J de Joe! Not right no friend! You pronounce José's J the same way you pronounce Joe's J! (I used the translator, I'm sorry if I'm wrong, Americans)
YoO, I didn't know all the time that this specific parrot had a name and I mistake him for being Mexican but Brazilian and his former voice actors sound a LoOot better, and cooler and can speak in an Brazilian/Portuguese accent and in it's language fluently. Too bad he probably quitted or died , damn you Disney for mistaking me to think that he's Mexican! sometimes. And look I know I'm overreacting just because that it's a cartoon but I wanna experience something that I have never felt before. Edit: he shouldn't have quitted his job nor since I don't know if Disney fired him or he just retired but he could've voiced Jose until to the end, he died just last year
@Dylan Ladner no, the problem is that he was a really good representation of brazil. Then they just turned him into mexican. The problem isnt him being mexican. The problem is that they literally changed him. They could make a new mexican character, but no, they literally put the Brazilian representation to the trash.
