Hey guys, two things. First, I forgot to do a like/comment/subscribe/patreon plug. So umm feel free to do some of those things! Second, it has recently come to my attention that Jake Paul and Erika Costell broke up. This was just breaking news I felt I had to tell you.
Is it fair to assume you are aware of "RU-vid: Manufacturing Authenticity (For Fun and Profit!)" by Lidnsay Ellis? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-8FJEtCvb2Kw.html Quite relevant thoughts...
I think there's a natural spectrum of empathy among humans. Some people are empathetic to the extreme and those people are labeled empaths. They're sponges for others' emotions. In my experience, it can be quite debilitating. What's frustrating is that it's become this label that people (many of whom are probably not empaths) self-apply in an attempt to tell the world they're special... or to promote spiritual services/products. It's starting to become as meaningless as New Age concepts like starseeds, indigo children, etc.
I’m super late but here’s the thing. Aside from calling sociopaths “gross and weird and creepy” this ‘therapist’ also constantly reinforces how good they are at mimicking emotions, how charming they are, and how skilled at manipulating they are. Then spends two minutes with Jake and goes “Well he sure seems nice, I guess he’s not a sociopath”
Yeah lol, even if this had any merit as a study of mental health (which it doesn't), these two just prove that they are totally unequipped to deal with the hypothetical storybook image of a sociopath they've constructed for themselves. It's like if they convinced themselves that Jake Paul was a vampire, spent five hours analysing all the dangers and traits of vampires, then Jake Paul turns up on their doorstep asking them to invite him in and they just go "yeah sure, cute hellhound lol".
@@cat-le1hf I wouldn’t think sociopaths would generally bond with other sociopaths. It’s not like a hobby or alternative lifestyle, it’s a mental disorder that is frequently crippling (or lucrative, that usually depends on who your dad is and which hedge fund he founded) and it prevents a person from feeling empathy and many of the other emotions that would commonly be associated with joy. In my experience, sociopaths treat most (if not all) relationships as transactional. The moment they stop receiving what they need from the other person, then their association with that person is disposable. I dunno if Dawson and/or Paul fit those characteristics, but they both seem like they’re deeply narcissistic in many respects, so I guess there’s plenty of toxic water in the infinity pool.
The stigma is very real and it's not at all helpful for people who actually struggle with sociopathy. There are many mental illness things that are EXTRA stigmatized and it really doesn't help anyone to demonize them dude
@@mollyj6286 I'm not sure what it takes to be called a psychologist in the US, but she has a masters degree in clinical psychology. The worst part is that she usually provides very good and relevant information, so people actually trust her. Her excuse for the Shane videos is that it was done for entertainment so she thought it made sense to say things like "creepy" because it made it more exciting. I still watch some of her videos, but I lost a lot of respect for her after that. It felt like a betrayal to people who have mental illness.
Whooht whoot, your local schizophrenic here, the voices are always telling me to kill. This is what happens when you let TV airheads try to educate people on mental illness.
I think he does that for us because middle class people tend to not like rich people. But after 10 years of RU-vid I’m not sure who he’s trying to fool. The guy lives in a nice house in LA, he’s not poor.
M tbh at this point I don’t think anyone would care. RU-vid apologies are always shit anyways. I would just prefer content creators show that they’ve changed rather than telling that they’ve changed.
I think part of it is Shane wanting to be humble. He doesn’t come off as a Jake or Logan Paul or Jeffrey Star, always showing off their expensive cars and clothes. He knows we know he’s actually really well off, but I can appreciate him not throwing his wealth in my face all the time.
I hate his pretentiousness. He tries to come off humble and “relatable “, yet he’s playing a numbers game like every other RU-vidr. And I guess it works since people will fight you tooth and nail that he’s not just as fake, if not more so than other vloggers.
Claiming to be an empath is a form of emotional manipulation. It positions you as the arbiter of emotion, it allows you to easily deny being arrogant or ignorant by just repeating "lol I'm an empath, and you think I don't feel lmao stupid." People also associate the word empath with emotional safety, making it a claim many abusers will make in order to get you to let down your walls. Them red flags are for a reason
@@dalailarose1596 Ahaha thanks 😅 And yeeaa, been through my share of abusive relationships, eventually I had to learn what to keep an eye out for, and why, or keep making the same mistakes
@@Jane-oz7pp To be fair, "empath" is also a common term in "New Age" spaces, which is a red flag in itself but I just wanted to clarify. When *those* people say empath they mean it like they're somehow spiritually superior of have mystical powers from their "enhanced empathy" even though it's usually just basic emotion glamorized with hippie terms. This is coming from someone who escaped the New Age cult.
It's especially great when you're somebody who's called an empath by Other People because you're too heavily affected by the emotions of other people to function effectively in some spaces Like cool I'm glad the most well-known word to describe this condition is associated almost entirely with assholes
A therapist who calls sociopaths "creepy" and "weird" is 1) going against one of the core tenants of therapy which is "no judgement", and 2) *needs* to have her license revoked.
@@TheKiroshi yeah its not hard to imagine her thinking similar things about any number of disorders, like autism, adhd, bipolar, or clinical depression, just to name a few, which can manifest in unpleasant ways when untreated. If you call yourself any kind of therapist, just because you only deal with relationships doesn't mean you get to ignore the intricacies of mental health. Her whole job is to be able to work with these disorders and pretty much any psychological issue, on a basic level, and guide people to solutions like referring them to clinical therapy, psychiatrists, doctors, and giving them new tools to communicate in their relationships.
@@KD-ou2np What Kati did/said in the first video is not okay, and was irresponsible. BUT--- go to her page. Really. You assume she would deal poorly with other mental health issues. You're wrong It's anecdotal but, her videos on bipolar and depression helped me. I recognized myself in those, and now I have a psychologist and I'm on medicine that has made such an incredible difference in my life. And her videos on toxic relationships helped me reevaluate my recent long-term relationship that I had ended a few months before coming across her channel. A completely toxic relationship, manipulative, and something I can better identify in the future.
@@GenerallyNotGood Might as well and good for you, sincerely. Help can come from many different sources and in many different ways and everyone should take away whatever helps them from any given situation. What she says in the SD video is still sg that would make me never trust her in a professional capacity. Might be anecdotal but a psychotherapist should never be able to utter such primitive dribble, let alone on camera, knowing that millions will watch. Monsters are not born but made and they are made by humans. Oh, and they are also still human. This kind of "otherising" people with disorders is worthy of the enlightenment levels of the dark Middle Ages, not modern psychology.
I think Shane sees himself as a precious resource of which the world is in desperate need. In a Shane Dawson-starved world, he must must never stray from the front of the camera. Please think of the children.
interesting that shane dawson is under scrutiny for being a creepy pervert now, and all these commentary youtubers have had to delete their "shane dawson is actually a genius" type videos that aged horribly. meanwhile this one by big joel is just over here vibing because it has stood the test of time
I really don't think they looked at the DSM 5 because then they would know the term is ASPD and that "sociopathy" is a populist, pseudoscience-y term obsolete in modern psychiatry/psychology.
Shane Dawson is not a documentarian. He is an entertainer. Framing his videos as documentaries gives them a sense of journalistic integrity and lack of overt bias that they simply don't achieve.
@@BigJoel Sorry! I didn't mean to imply that YOU were framing them as documentaries. I meant his calling them documentaries in the first place is misleading. In my opinion, they have value as entertainment pieces, and although could count as documentaries by technicality (similar to how Fox News isn't actually a news show; it's a self-admitted [by Roger Ailes, one of the founders] entertainment show that titles itself as news), they lack the attributes that make a decent documentary.
Wait, there are documentaries with journalistic integrity and a lack of overt bias? I'm exaggerating of course, but my default understanding of a documentary is that it's intended to reassure an audience of what it already believes or sell new ideas that are in line with their preexisting biases. It's a bigger surprise when they tell the truth, tbh. Of course I tend to run in pro-vax and anti-"alternative medicine" circles, where documentaries are almost exclusively used by the anti-vax and pro-snake oil side.
"Let's go gang! We'll unmask Jake Paul and show everyone that it's really Old Man Sociopath" "Huh! Capitalism!? You were Jake Paul all along??" "Yes, I'm Jake Paul, I did it all for the never-ending pursuit of profit through exploitation. And I would have gotten away with it too, and I did"
I think Shane made this documentary in order to convince himself that while Jake Paul is undeserving of his wealth, Shane deserves to be a millionaire because he produces "documentaries."
As someone who was actually diagnosed with ASPD, Shane's entire documentary and the attitude of that therapist just grated on me SO DAMN much. Like, so much of the general public seems to forget that those with commonly called "Sociopathic" traits are just.....people. I'm just a person trying to live my life, not some insidious villain who wishes to bring pain and suffering upon all who come across me. I have an empathy problem. That's it. It's the same as having a depression problem or an anxiety problem; you go to a therapist, deal with it, and live your life. And to see people like me portrayed as axe murderers, robots, and evil creatures not just in Shane's videos, but in regular media as well, is honestly kind of dehumanizing and insulting. I have friends and family I love (And YES, I do love goddamnit, I just have to choose to), and just because I can't empathize doesn't mean I can't sympathize or cognitively understand another person's feelings. I don't understand WHY you're sad, but I can understand you ARE sad and HELP that as much as I can. Shane's videos trying to "prove" whether or not Jake Paul is a 'sociopath' should just be renamed "I don't really know any sociopaths or what they are, but I know they're BAAAAD so if Jake is one, he's a BAAAD person and vice versa", and it really shows how little people (And even many therapists!) know about us! Bad people aren't always "sociopaths". You don't need to have a mental illness to be a bad person, being a bad person is a CHOICE, just like how I choose to be a good person.
There's at least one study that suggests (and I hope it gets replicated with a larger sample size) that people who are deemed to have "no empathy" and who can watch horrific things with atypical neuro response to them often can show "empathy" neurologically if prompted to look at the same imagery with sympathy in mind. It created a new theory that people previously deemed to have "no empathy" simply have the empathy part of the brain switched off by default and can 'switch' them on, for lack of a better term, whereas a neurotypical person is the opposite. Even an "empathetic" person has a limit to who they find empathy for, starting with close friends and family and ending with large groups of complete strangers on a scale. Humans, period, aren't designed to empathize with everyone around them.
I can relate to that a lot, I don't have ASPD, I'm autistic, and it makes empathy difficult in many ways. I often offend people accidentally, believing I'm just being honest, and when I'm told that I was being really rude and need to apologise, I don't. I can't help but think they are stupid to be offended by honesty, by facts, so I don't apologise, because I don't feel remorse. I never hurt people on purpose, because it's wrong, but if I can't relate to a persons sadness, it's impossible for me to really see it as valid. I know I SHOULD apologise, it's the "right" thing to do, but I can't lie, I hate being fake, so I just try to avoid making the same mistake twice. I comfort people if they're upset, I care about animals, I even stare at the ground when I'm walking so I don't step on ants, which is ridiculously overly empathetic to many people. I believe I'm a good enough person, not because of my emotions or lack thereof but because I choose to be as good as I can be. Our choices define us, not our "feelings".
I'm sorry my dude. My husband has ASPD and he felt the same way. People are dicks about what they don't understand. So many people have given me shit for being married to him. "HoW CAn yOU LOvE SoMEoNE LIkE thAt?!!!" Like yeah, he can't empathize, but he has treated me better and shown me more love than even my parents. If he knows he is hurting me with his words (even if he doesn't understand WHY) he apologizes and stops. Just because he can't empathize doesn't make him a monster. He's an amazing human being.
Thank you for your comment. I was in a close relationship with a Sociopath for over a decade and even though there were some difficulties, I love him and he loved me in his own way... and actually probably in the best way. The effort he made was astounding and beautiful. One of my best friends and roommates is a sociopath and his advice helped me in my relationship tremendously. Sociopaths are no more prone to “evil” than any other human being I know. When sociopathy is coupled with abuse, unresolved trauma or other mental illness, it can be pretty hard to help them overcome. But the idea that they are “beyond help” is such a lazy and ignorant answer. Best of luck to you!
Excuse me? You mean to tell me having a popular RU-vid channel and being friends with a therapist who says people with ASPD "don't have souls" aren't sufficient qualifications for determining if someone has a personality disorder???
*Shane is not a real youtuber, but he thinks he is. He tries to be. He's tried to be a lot of things, I expect...* I didn't ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice Chianti, though.
@alexandra galici aw i like Lindsey Ellis as a movie critic... i do feel like her having far more views than videos like this is a bit ridiculous though, id consider stuff like this more ultimately... meaningful, she's still fun though!
@@day6227 But I suppose that is the point. It might be not as 'meaningful', but it is fun. An easier watch, if you will. Sometimes, that's just what you want, and that's fine.
This was good but I cannot believe Joel let that image of her literally just reading the DSM V on camera slide without a roast. Imagine your therapist just pulling out a DSM and telling you you're a sociopath I'm LOSING IT.
@@SourBitters A licensed therapist, a professional, would not diagnose someone without interviewing them in a clinical setting. Its a little alarming someone would want to risk their reputation and credibility to do so for...fame? Attention? (Idk, i didn't watch the Jake Paul movie, I'm not even sure why he's famous; I just figured out who Logan Paul is and I don't feel like diving deeper into that family to find out. Well, aside from watching this video.) Cheers.
I also hated how when people with aspd told Shane they didn’t like how they were being painted in a bad light he said “I think you guys should get re-diagnosed because sociopaths literally have no hearts and don’t care, I spoke to my therapist about this.”
Aimee Mena I think it should be noted that sociopath/psychopath aren't diagnosis. There is no agreement on what the terms mean and I have read in the literature researchers characterizing it as ASPD but with a focus on cruelty and malice.
@@BigJoel No it fucking isn't. Shane is a hundred percent right when he says that these whiny little shits need to get re-diagnosed, because either that is a misdiagnosis or a lie.
Katie disappoints me. Her channel has been a very large advocate and resource for those with BPD, a disorder much like ASPD in the sense that its sufferers are grossly villainzied by outsiders, and who have a hard time being respected even by mental health professionals. For her to turn on those with ASPD and say those things, its sad.
That gives me the impression that she only does it to look kind or open-minded, like the corporations who do Pride sales in June but likely don't actually care.
I began following her years ago when I was struggling with my mental health. I first saw that she was a psychologist, and her self-care content was pretty uplifting, so I started watching a lot. Then, when I recieved my first mental illness diagnosis I looked to her channel for more specific information annnd yeah, it was like a bucket of ice water over the head... She would describe people struggling with things like BPD as manipulative and self-absorbed. She would say things like people with certain disorders were broken, or that they couldn't have healthy relationships. It was very wild, how just below a veneer of competence and professionalism was this person so willing to say these things on as big a platform as hers.
honestly Katy got off easy, she is so unprofessional that Im surprised she was allowed to keep her job. Can You imagine a counselor so judgemental? one that doesnt care about calling those with disorders "gross" and saying they dont have hearts
The problem with pop psychology like this is that most of Shane's audience probably won't bother to look deeper in the issue and they'll end up spreading this misinformation.
I don't know, those comments on the video about sociopathy may cause people to research it more. Like a lot of people here, people were *pissed* at the portrayal of sociopaths as the monster to watch out for. The woman that Shane featured, in describing her own ASPD? Her video blew-up, so much so that she made a follow-up to it. Her video popped up as recommended for me, and I imagine it was this way for others. @sarah jane's right, there were a lot of "I'm a sociopath" comments in the top comments. Some of them eloquently described how it affects them, and some were kids trying to be edgy. In other words, I think you're right that a lot of folks won't dig deeper, but I think because of the reaction the video got, this may be a case where more than is generally expected will try to understand it more.
Eliza-Victoria Batrin I don’t think so, maybe there’s a Shane fan out there that won’t care, but we’ve seen how many response videos the series has gotten, with a LOT of them bringing up the misinformed view of sociopaths. I don’t think the misinformation that some got here will spread too far
All of those things about sociopathy? No. That's not cool. Fear mongering about something that real people live and deal with is bad. This should all go without saying.
@@radazzkle2654someone who makes "a edgy psycho art" on deviantart and someone who suffers from sociopathy or psychopathy are two very distinct things and shouldn't be lumped together
chrisiousity, they do have emotions. They’re human beings, mental illnesses can’t remove someone’s capability to feel emotions. Sure, it can make it harder for them to feel sympathy or empathy, but there’s probably a lot of people who have lived with antisocial personality disorder and no one ever realized, because our world doesn’t run on movie logic. “People with mental disorders aren’t murderers, but some shitty horror movie said so?” Honestly, do some fucking research before being an asshole for a disorder which they have almost no control over.
@@Proto-Martyr in which country? Because where I live that isn't nescessary at all, there are two diferent graduation courses in psicology, one for people who want to work at schools and HR, and another one for for those who want work in clinical psychology.
This reminds me of a Hank Green tweet "Ten years in business taught me that it isn't capitalism that's fucked up, it's people who use it as an excuse to be their worst selves." Literally just ignoring any systemic analysis and pinning the problem on some imaginary monster.
Also, my lower-middle class house has 3 bathrooms. Granted, only two of them have showers, but the third still counts I think. And we’re definitely not rich.
I agree completely. Sometimes I feel Joel is a little to nice, or better said, he sticks to a textual analysis without the broader implications of the work for the world or culture. I was hoping that Joel continued to part 5, and reasked the question "can trust the media's assessments". This, I feel, would have tied nicely to what you are saying. Hmm. So much more to explore.
@@wiggy.el.chigon this is exactly how i felt after the intro of the video. joel failed to wonder, or at least voice the thought, about whether shane actually likes jake as a person. which he does. because they're both capitalist rich people.
I think that's true but I also think that's not the point; regardless of Jake Paul's intentions and being on this, this video is about Shane's intentions and the story he is trying to tell using the documentary (And using drake, whether it's a mutual aggreement or not)
Damn people, you're here saying "why didn't Joel say the obvious conclusion" without realising that the fact you're here talking about it means he didn't have to? He led you directly to the conclusions you're asking him to spell out, and did it so well that he trusts in his narrative enough that he doesn't have to tell you the answer.
Yeah, generally scientists try not to make normative value judgements about their own research. They fail, but they don't go... "and that's why this dude has no soul!"
You could use an EKG! But, of course, a lot of the things presented here are pseudoscience. Unhealthy, pop-culture pseudoscience that essentially boils down to "I don't like X person, they act a bit weird. Probably crazy." Then you grow to learn that the person is, in fact, not some synthetic humanoid and is a human entirely as complex as yourself. That's when the theory falls apart. Sadly, nothing in this was presented in any sort of scientific method whatsoever. And even then, the jump from "sociopathy" to "literally a robot devil thing, probably" is a very concerning one. It shows a fundamental misunderstanding of mental illness and perhaps on Shane's part even a sort of toxic distortion of the truth. Similar depictions of those suffering from Schizophrenia and a broad spectrum of personality disorders are exactly those that mental health professionals have to dispel. It goes without saying that the woman interviewed in this docu-series is obviously no expert; for a mental health expert to describe those suffering from a condition as "heartless" or "robotic" is truly repugnant and borderline malicious. It is shameful.
Oh wow. I loved Kati Morton - she was incredibly helpful for me at one point. Like, yeah. I was really glad I came across her. I'm deeply disappointed that she agreed to participate in this. I've really lost esteem for her pretty significantly after watching this. This is like almost literally like the opposite of what I thought she was all about.
i'm a huge fan of documentaries and it makes me feel fuckng insane seeing people call shane's content documentaries. you can't just film a vlog on an expensive film camera and call it a documentary
the therapist he has in this series? i subbed to her before this series came out, and she specializes in abusive relationships. just because she's a professional doesn't mean she actually has any experience in dealing with patients with APD. I'm actually very disappointed that she would be a part of this series KNOWING she is not a professional in that field. you can't even professionally diagnose someone as a "sociopath" or a "psycho." it's considered very offensive among the mental health community. just.....i hate everything about this series.
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I KNOW RIGHT. I remember watching some of her videos and even a collab with dodi clark about derealisation (I guess that´s the word) and thinking what a truly nice person and professional she was. And now to see her being a part of this? It´s sad.
And with no therapy? Not having him tested or anylized? Doing it in public? Very unethical and irresponsable for a psychologist or psyquiatrist.... (sorry for my english)
Similarly, watched a couple of her videos on how your therapy may worked, and she introduced a couple of topics to me and helped me understand new ways on getting better. But watching her do this... and of course in a video with Shane on her channel where she didn't seem to question the video at all... I'm pretty disappointed in her...
The us military will tag people with one of those words lickety split. It's one of their discrediting diagnoses they'll use to discharge someone who's inconvenient: someone who's filed a rape complaint (male rape victims especially are likely to get psycho or socio, borderline personality disorder, schizophrenia of some sort, or bipolar). Crud like this can feel so disheartening.
bleeze blocks Yea that’s true but at the same time I guess she thought she was going into it more as a friend that understands sociopathy a bit more not really a professional in the topic. That’s why she was more laid back ig but they still shouldn’t talk about them like that
As a therapist, seeing another therapist talk about sociopaths that way is troubling. Sociopathy, or in more modern terminology Anti-Social Personality Disorder, is a mental illness. Mental illnesses have a myriad of causes and effects. Not everyone with Anti-social personality disorder is a murderous monster and treating them as such discourages them from seeking help. Furthermore, blaming manipulative and damaging behaviours on a mental illness takes responsibility away from the person CHOOSING to commit these crimes. If a sociopath does hurt someone or do something illegal, should they still face consequences for their actions, even though we know about their sociopathy? Of course, because even if they don't have typical emotions, they still have free will and the capacity to reason. This means they can be taught to control their behaviour. So therefore, which of these responses is more motivating for someone? A) "you have this condition and may feel the urge to partake in destructive behaviours, however you can choose not to behave this way, and I will provide you with support to develop healthy behaviours" or B) "you have this condition, which makes you a creepy monster and a menace to society. I judge you as inferior. The only way you can redeem yourself is to stop existing as you currently do. I don't care HOW you do it, just do it."
This comment is fantastic, thank you 💜 Additionally, you truly sound like a great and empathetic therapist. I'm I'm really happy there are people like you there to help people who are struggling, thank you for your work 💜
Shane pisses me off so much, as someone diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder, sociopathy and psychopathy are diagnosis's that haven't been formally used since the 1960s. 4% of the population have ASPD, while 20% of people in prison fit the diagnosis so do 20% of people in the medical profession. Framing people this way is disgusting, I technically fit the old definition of psychopathy, however, with therapy in the 21st century you can learn empathy even if you weren't born with an innate sense of empathy. People need to fuck off, I tend to be socially anxious because I always have to think before I say because innately I have no emotional and empathetic filter but having therapy in my teens helped me learn a second world view that 96% of the population have and I apply the same views of human welfare and secularism to how I interact with other humans. I may not be innately empathetic but I'm consciously aware from working hard and having amazing and non judgemental therapists. I'm 20 and you'd never know I have it because I mask it so well, but nothing makes me feel more antisocial than hearing people talk about and further stigmatise people like me. I'm at uni becoming an actuarial statistician which kind of fits since people like me are so "robotic". Does this mean I no longer know how to manipulate others and take advantage of humans innate wanting to be close to others and me, no, but it means I know that it's unethical to manipulate people to do what I want because I know respect people's autonomy even if deep down inside I have a deep sense of fearless dominance, it's not insidious and more of a defense mechanism because surprise surprise I hate not being in control. But as time goes on I've accepted not having it because it doesn't necessarily mean that if I don't have control that everything will go to shit, it just means that I have less of a probability of knowing what's to happen from lack of controlling events in my life. Which is so much similar to how most humans feel, in the ASPD case we will do anything by all means to ensure our survival if it means hurting others. I'm a nice person and yes have the capacity to love others, I just take a bit of time and "human breaks" and check in with myself to make sure I don't display those antisocial traits that may hurt others. Please stop judging and stigmatising my illness and please use the actual scientific term, not the outdated one used in pop culture. It's no longer diagnosed as sociopathy or psychopathy, it's now diagnosed broadly as antisocial personality disorder because it's so broad in terms of symptoms and traits that people experience. Can people stop stigmatising cluster B personality traits, they are treatable and we're still human. I'm not a monster, I'm human!
Thanks for sharing your experience!! I believe no human is uncapable of feeling things, we just experience emotions very differently beacause our brains are unique and thats special
I’m a burgeoning mental health professional and, even with my novice level of expertise in this field, I would absolutely NEVER describe a mental health condition as “gross” or giving me the “heebee geebees”. That is terrible clinical practice and it shows a gross misunderstanding of the condition. Joel is completely on the money here, neither of them should be making any diagnoses of mental health conditions, or even pry about them
[CW: ableism, psychological abuse, gaslighting] I had a counselor in training at my university tell me I was "hard to counsel" (I'm neurodivergent and mentally ill). There are a lot of bad mental health professionals who don't interrogate their own ableist bias. They see us (disabled, mentally ill, neurodivergent, etc.) people as broken humans and think they are superior to us, so they deserve to control us or treat us poorly. I strongly encourage all future or current mental health practitioners to learn about Neurodivergent Pride and Mad Pride. Advocacy movements created by and for people with atypical brains.
sadly this is quite normal, there are professionals who never learn more than anxiety and depression because they dont have to, schools will literally teach the bare minimum about stigmatized disorders because they are rare aka dont affect middle to upper class white neurotypical people
@@wackywally69420 I might be misunderstanding, but sociopathy is just as common in middle to upper-class white people as it is in anyone else. The only group I know of more likely to have ASPD is men. I don't know that there are many psychological disorders/conditions that don't affect the group you highlighted. I think the fact that these disorders are rarely learned about thoroughly is purely because they're stigmatized, not because they affect minorities or underprivileged people.
Shane Dawson also use to cover his skin in blackface and continuously would pick at stereotypes of black women over and over and over again for at least a few years in his RU-vid career. Yeah he apologized, but who is he to judge others?
All you have to do is begging the sessions with: 'How was your day' and then ask for whole hour: 'How does it make you feel'. If you feel Freudian you can talk about patients' mothers I know that because I've watched many movies about psychology
Ostrava of Boletaria yeah but aspd isn’t in her focus field she focuses on mental illnesses like depression, anxiety and eating disorders (and whatever body dysmorphia falls under) which is why she acted more confident in the subject matter when the focus shifted to shane for a moment because that is her specialty
@@firegirl2202 yes but she does have experience reading and interpreting psychological books. You do know the basics of every subject to become a specialized therapist. So claiming its like two random people just reading and self-diagnosing is not correct. Also it was more than apparent that it is entertainment first.
The woman he had on as the "expert" somehow knows less about mental health and sociopathy than a most untrained laymen. The opening discussion between them before they met Jake was a joke.
I don't want to call anyone out but after reading through alot of the comments saying something to the effect of "Shane is the real sociopath" I think it needs to be said. Shane is an asshat, his recent scandals enforce that and his "documentaries" are deplorable, that doesn't make him a sociopath. If there's one thing I had hoped people would learn from this it's that accusing all shitty people of being mentally ill is stigmatising to people with mental health issues.
i know it's been a while since you made this comment, but i wanted to thank you for saying this. in the last decade people found out mental illness could be talked about, and they could pretend to diagnose people they hate with Lying Mean Disease. just earlier today i saw a news clip about that lady who lied about being kidnapped, and in the comments someone was like, "i bet she has borderline personality disorder." she hasn't even made a public statement. all we know is that she faked a kidnapping. now instead of worrying about being seen as "crazy" and being "put away," people diagnosed with personality disorders formed through trauma get to worry about being labeled a fundamentally and unimpeachably bad person. there's nothing new under the sun, i guess.
Well said dude thank you. The armchair diagnosing and throwing out random terms lately online has been very frustrating, even if those people don't mean any harm
Armchair doctors are definitely a problem. People are diagnosing and throwing out these complex words without an ounce of training and education and tiktoks attention grubbing algorithm is making the problem worse. At the same time, WHEW shane has not passed the test of time
>click on a big joel video >ask him if the topic is creepy or wet >he doesn't understand >pull out illustrated diagram explaining what is creepy and what is wet >he laughs and says "it's really interseting." >watch the video >it's wet
To me it felt more like a reality TV exposé, with like 90% of it scripted, because we all know Shane and Jake and all the RU-vid bros with branded personalities are pals from way back. By Shane “accidentally” proving that Jake Paul is a decent human being just like him, then HEY, maybe all insanely rich hacks who make vapid content are pretty nice dudes, too... and therefore they all deserve our sympathy/money. This “documentary” seems more like a PR stunt for Jake to get the public back on his side.
Jake Paul has literally given presentations at conferences about manipulating viewers (in his case, and in most cases those businesses wish to target, children) into wanting/buying.getting their parents to buy a product. He knows full well what he's doing. That alone doesn't qualify him as a sociopath, but it is another cup in the douchebag bucket, especially with his lying about not realizing that's what he's doing.
jjmblue7 that’s just capitalism. Now I’m sure sociopaths would do well at it, but mental illness isn’t the cause. Our system of production necessitates this behavior. Manipulating children and their parents into buying things is a necessary result of capitalism.
I mean, it entirely depends on how he framed it, because what you just described is simply marketing. Which is a form of socially acceptable manipulation. Which Jake is entirely qualified to give presentations on. In fact he's among the most qualified. It's capitalism.
Rewatching this, I gotta laugh at how quickly Shane comes around though. Like, they establish sociopaths are manipulative and will do anything to seem "normal", but then they go "well, he was normal to us for a while, guess nothing's wrong here". But, I mean. They shot the whole thing with him. I wouldn't have expected them to come out on the side that yes, he is a sociopath.
Not saying their work had any merit whatsoever, but I found it ironic that they completely ignored the well-known fact that sociopaths with malicious intent are typically very good at acting likeable when it will benefit them. Like, what were they even expecting in the first place? A bunch of dogs' heads on pikes in the front lawn?
1. Act similarly to 'bad guy' 2. Call bad guy monster to cope with hypocrisy 3. Get to know bad guy 4. Show he is supposedly good 5. No longer monster. No more hypocrisy
After his documentary, more and more youtubers started putting the word “sociopath” in their titles/thumbnails. Shane definitely brought attention to the topic, but not the good kind.
Shane Dawson is essentially becoming a moral arbiter. If any artist does anything that may be considered irresponsible. Just get documentary with Shane Dawson he will absolve you of any wrongdoing.
I know, it's really irritating. I don't have a problem with him making documentaries, I just wish he wouldn't humanize horrible assholes. Like, how about a documentary on Jojo Siwa? She gets a lot of hate on the internet, but honestly, I find her kinda fascinating. I'd be very interested to see how someone her age handles the amount of fame she has, and what it's like producing basically children's content as a teenager. I think it'd he good to humanize someone like her. But no, it appears that he's interested in working with Poppy and Titanic Sinclair. 😑
as someone with a personality disorder (although not aspd) i am SO GLAD that someone finally made a video about this that isnt misinformed fear-provocative garbage. news flash: aspd is also a mental disorder, and people with it can actually make pretty great friends because they are -- GASP -- HUMAN???
Yes exactly! I have EDD and my therapists are currently looking into ASPD as a further diagnosis since my past behavior seems to line up (oof). I'm so sick of telling people me not having empathy doesn't mean I don't have sympathy, or emotions, or feel love. I'm pretty sure I feel almost exactly the same as any neurotypical person and my PTSD + OCD do more personality damage than anything else. Yeah, I don't get sad when someone else does just because they're sad, but I have sympathy and usually can figure out why they feel sad and come to the logical conclusion that they have good reason to, and I'll feel bad for them, just not with them. Sure, I sometimes don't know when to censor myself or stop saying something harsh to someone because I don't understand why it would make them feel bad until they tell me, but once they explain their side I'm totally able to sympathise and stop because it's the right thing to do and I hate accidentally hurting my friends and loved ones like that. And yeah, I absolutely did have manipulation problems, I spent a good portion of my life stealing and fighting and getting off on the adrenaline of those things, and I did absolutely have homicidal impulses through my teen years. And then I got therapy, and I stopped all that, and avoid anything that could get me back into those mentalities, because, gasp, I'm just a normal person and would rather *not* do bad things once I know they're bad. Neurotypicals finna shit themselves when they realise non-empaths can feel guilt, too. Maybe not as often, and usually we feel more of a fear of getting caught, but I'm 100% sure I've had moments in my past where I feel a huge amount of guilt for doing something mean to a friend, and had to go and apologise because the guilt was killing me. It might be less common and doesn't always happen, but not having empathy doesn't bar a person from having all the other stuff. So many relationships have been ruined by someone finding out about my disorder(s), telling me it's not possible that I am capable of love, and proceeding to be verbally abusive to me until I have to break up and find comfort in my friends who know that's not true. I've always tried to be loving and kind to everyone I meet because everyone deserves to be shown those things and to be happy, and how ironic it is that the moment people find out I have a *disorder I literally CANNOT help* they deem it totally fine to berate me, call me subhuman, and talk shit about me to my face. Not to mention most EDD and ASPD people can get therapy and recover a lot of emotional and even sometimes empathetic depth. It's not like it is curable but it's definitely something where self-awareness of your faults mixed with good psychotherapy is INCREDIBLY helpful and can usually teach people with these disorders how to use their sympathy as a replacement for empathy. 99% of non-empathetic folks truly don't want to hurt people and DO want to make people happy, do want to see the ones they love smile, etc, just like anyone else. They just don't really have a good grasp on how to make that feel nice for themselves, too, and how to have healthy interactions that bring them joy as well. Therapy helps that and at least in my case I can feel happiness when I see friends smiling, etc, not because of empathetic reactions but because I learned how to see the happiness in knowing a friend is happy. IMO that's just as positive, loving, healthy and candid as having empathy. I hate Dawson's video and that therapist's words. They just continue to fuel the idea that non-empaths are monsters with no self-awareness who aren't just like everyone else. Also, personality disorder solidarity, brother/sister/sibling. ♥️
I've noticed most people who call themselves "empaths" are some of the least empathetic people. They're not bad, not emotionless, not narcissistic. They have anxieties so severe they take other people's emotions and interprete them in ways to fit the "empath's" worldview. They are great at *noticing* someone's verbal and facial cues and *terrible* at figuring out it means.
Lmao I feel this too. Some people who call themselves empaths turn out to be some of the nastiest and irrational people out there. Plus they have the worst superiority complexes. Maybe it's because I was diagnosed recently with ASPD (I'm technically not a sociopath tho) but simply being around them is so goddamn draining. Can't speak for all of them though, this is just my experience 🤷🏽♀️
@@genericname8727 I would say that in any system human greed would be the thing to consider. Sure capitalism can reward greed, but it can also reward the oligarchs of society in a more controlled system. I mean I honestly prefer socialism since it has more protections towards the little guy, but I feel like that's actually avoiding the core problem which is human nature. You can't change it, you can only put it at Bay. Which, you're right, that may mean destroying the capitalist system once and for all, but then that would just leave the more oligarchical Leaders to become greedy therefore. Sure would be much less likely in a system like that, but it's always a possibility.
@@genericname8727 to me that's a bit of a shitty excuse. He clearly has deep-seeded problems with detachment, arrogance, and distrust. Sure to do some pretty terrible things, but that's kind of besides the point. The point is that Jake Paul has had a terrible life, and now he does things as a result. Even if you wasn't rich, he'd still be the same douchey guy. Then again, if the system can allow people like Jeff Bezos and Elon musk to thrive while people look at them like they're great beacons of greatness, then we're all fucked.
@@mickyw377 saying capitalism is evil isn't saying communism is awesome. Anyway, I think capitalism is fine as long as it is controlled. I can give you an example of when capitalism can be evil and leads to corruption: when a company loses money and the only way it can be saved is if they get a patron, the patron decides to only give them money if they hire their completely stupid grandson and definitely not any black people. This type of corruption happened near me and is happening everywhere.
The appeal of Shane Dawson has always mystified me. Ever since he started on RU-vid he seemed to confuse talent with self-promotion. I couldn't stand seeing his shit pop up everywhere. It's just like he switched his camera on one day and went "ME!!!!!! ME ME ME ME ME ME ME!!!!" and somehow it worked. What the hell makes him stand out? I legit want to know
Personally, as someone who watches his videos (just for the lols), his videos are entertaining in a trailer trash kind of way. Before he made these longform documentaries, he did weird music videos and skits, product reviews (of which he later revealed to be a low point im his career) and subsequently found his place in making conspiracy videos. The last was informed by his personal interest and experiences with the supernatural. In my opinion, his best work was the conspiracy and ghost-hunting videos, because it was what he did best and know most about. Personally, I think it's his kinda trashy personality that makes him stand out; he's not afraid to laugh at himself, and the audience doesn't hesitate to laugh at (not with) him. P.S.: But I think Shane always fancied himself as a bit of a film maker, sans the actual talent and the ability to take criticism. Zachary Quinto, who was the judge on a film making competition Shane participated in, said that Shane did have difficulty accepting criticism. The main reason why Shane is able to be as successful as he is, is because of his audience. His fans are diehard and doesn't hesistate to defend him, which further bolsters his lack of ability to take criticism.
@@spicegrill Yeah, me too. He obviously works better in a team dynamic where he can bounce of other people's humour. On his own and without his friends to guide him and rein him in, he tends to do whatever he wants and that often results in horrible videos (Jake Paul series, for eg)
Personally I watched him first for his spooky boys videos. They had a fun dynamic and it was entertaining enough, especially since it was one of the first channels I'd ever watched on youtube (and particularly the first channel with an lgbt personality, which as a kid just figuring out my identity was...important). I genuinely started liking Shane's personality and everything though, I think I was too close to the whole situation? It took a couple wrong moves on his part to fully allow me to stand back and realize "Oh, hey, he's kinda shit". Even then I held on for a little while hoping I was overreacting, because I really did like his channel and I didn't have a replacement for it. I'm guessing that quite a few of his fans are in that denial stage, that or they actually share his ideals somehow
Interesting that we are all about helping destigmatizing mental illness and here comes one of the most influential youtubers in the world with a "psychiatrist" who calls these people gross and heartless. I guess only anxiety and depression get to be destigmatized, sorry other victims of mental illnesses.
we gotta put more money into studying sociopaths. whatever we're doing right now couldnt possibly be enough, i mean, just think of what we could do with the knowledge of how they stay alive despite not having hearts? what the hell is pumping their blood around then? do they even have blood?
Oh man, I have a friend who's got antisocial personality disorder, and it's so misunderstood. :( This documentary does NOT sound like it's helping the people who deal with that. They're often alienated and very lonely, not "evil". Evil is a huge complex thing, not a diagnosis!
It's never helpful to label a person as 'evil'. Doing so demonizes them and implicitly argues that they are something 'other' than what a normal human being is. It's better to talk about why people are the way they are, and how they can be / could have been helped in order to learn and prevent others from falling to similar fates.
My father is a "sociopath" (NPD and other things), and your calm deconstruction of this sickening joke of an introspective series reminded me I wanted to call him, haven't talked to him in a while. Thanks for that :-)
I watched that psychologist's video about BPD years ago and in the video she talks about how much she hates it when psychologists refuse to treat people with BPD because of the stigma around that diagnosis. To then turn around and be like "people with ASPD are creepy and have no heart" what the fuck ??
The sad thing is that I used to watch this woman because I couldn’t go to therapy in person. I’m trans and every therapist in my town or any surrounding town is extremely Mormon. So this woman was the only way I could recover from my eating disorder and stop myself from dissociating. Now I can’t watch her because I don’t trust her....
To be honest I feel like no one talks about the fact that maybe Shane D isn't a very nice person after all? Why does he go out of his way to rehabilitate the images of people who millionaires to enable them to keep making even more money by making them seem like they are just like us? Truthfully maybe they are just like us? Horrible people can also be nice and charming and take of their dogs, I don't think Jake Paul is as bad as Hitler but Hitler was also capable of loving his dog? Maybe this black and white dichotomy of good and evil isn't helping the conversation? I don't know I have a lot of thoughts about this, but wonderful video as usual Henry.
@@NussyBeth Well apparently it did break him up pretty bad. He didn't want the Soviets to capture his dog though, apparently. Also offed his children and his wife so... (And I don't think he ate any of them)
"The humble multi-millionaire Shane Dawson" I fucking LOVED that line! Because you do get to see some of Shane's house. While it's nowhere near as opulent as Jake Paul's mansion, Shane's house is nicer than I'll EVER be able to afford. The whole tone of the documentary is "Ew. Look at how rich Jake Paul is. He must be so out of touch. Not like us NORMAL people. Right guys??" Edit: Got a bit further in the vid. Just look at the size of Shane Dawson's couch!! When I have friends over, my boyfriend and I have to sit on the floor cause there's not enough room!
I was diagnosed with an anti-social personality disorder about 8 years ago. While I definitely tick some of the boxes, I was first thought of as being on the autism spectrum. I am just really really awkward in social settings, mostly because I have had therapy from a very young age because I lacked empathy and was very self destructive and I was looked down upon by other children my age and especially their parents. Therapy at that age just made me feel like I was weird and wrong, which caused me to be afraid to have any contact at all with others. I think I'm very aware now of my disorder, but I managed to do something positive with it. I try to show empathy in my own way, and I listen when someone tells me if they don't like something I do. This made my life and the lives of the people close to me way easier. I might still be a bit weird, but I am definitely not a monster. Looking at people being disgusted by the idea of someone being a sociopath just tells me how we're being portrayed and viewed by people who might not have any problems like we do. Shane should not be able to just diagnose someone over the internet and make him look like someone to be scared of. Not very suitable in a time where we learn to accept others even when we don't understand them.
Reminds me of the whole situation with Fousey a few years ago btw, making him into an entertaining crazy person while he was having a manic episode. It's kinda funny to me that people think that's entertaining and then turn around and judge others for lacking empathy (:
You are NOT a monster, and im so sorry you have to deal with such a stigma. It sounds like a hard condition to live with since people are so judgemental, and idk you I know but I'm proud of the work you have done to manage and adjust. I hope you're doing ok and people are being kind to you dude 💜
I hate this idea of sociopathy because it's so easy to debunk this fearmongering mindset with 1 phrase. empathy vs sympathy having difficulty /feeling/ other people's emotions has literally nothing to do with caring and understanding for them. And honestly? I think sympathy is the more important one. Lots of people with healthy levels of empathy are absolutely terrible.
Low empathy is actually an important trait in certain jobs like being an emergency responder. When you're dealing with so much death all the time, it can get overwhelming and people will burn out quickly. If you have mow empathy though, you're not as attatched to the people who are dying and you can keep doing your job for longer.
I agree! I have a lower levelof empathy than others but that doesn’t mean i am an uncaring ass. I don’t always feel what others feel. I don’t get what they get. But still try to understand them. Just bc i don’t feel sad when someone else does doesn’t make me or anyone else a bad guy. It does mean that i try very hard to understand when they DO express feelings that i don’t understand. People always think bc someone lacks empathy they are crazy psycho murderers. It’s a lack of understanding these words that lead folks to believe such things.
@@wj2429 I wouldn't say so. Sociopathy is generally seen as a lack of conscience--or a lack of a fundamental, deep-seated sense of right and wrong. Something you "feel" and that is rooted in empathy. So a lot of people think that sociopathy is a trait only found in completely irredeemable, cruel people. And, sure, yeah, that trait can be found in terrible people, but not ONLY in terrible people. And this whole thing disregards the concept of sympathy. You don't /need/ to relate to people, to feel on a very fundamental level why hurting people is wrong (that is, to feel their hurt as your own) to know that it's wrong and to not want to hurt people. If you see someone crying, but do not understand why--you can still recognize that they're feeling sad and want to cheer them up. Now, sociopathy isn't actually recognized by the DSM V. It's grouped under antisocial personality disorder. I'm discussing the popular concept of sociopathy vs any actual medical definitions, as I'm not a psychologist. If you know a more nuanced way of describing things though I'd really love to hear it, like, genuinely.
Shane’s video kinda seems like projection in retrospect with all the problematic shit people have been pointing out about his videos. He gives the creeps for real
One thing that you forgot to mention is that sociopathy isn't an actual diagnosis either! Usually the term is used to refer to people with ASPD though "sociopath" tends to be thrown around to describe people with NPD, BPD, and autism as well. Most of the discussions around this documentary have been focused around the ableism side, but it's nice to see this argument as well! I honestly hadn't thought about it. It's certainly emblematic of a lot thinking around other subjects too- mass shooters and Trump both get called sociopaths or armchair-diagnosed with something like NPD instead of dealing with larger issues like white supremacy.
I remember LOGAN PAUL of all people made a video in response to Shane's video where he said that Shane shouldn't use the label "sociopath" but should at least consider whether people have sociopathic tendencies because sociopath is too loaded and some don't fit the label entirely they just have certain tendencies. also, I think he mentioned anti-social personality disorder but I might be confusing his video with someone else's. Anyway, when even LOGAN FUCKING PAUL calls you out on your video for being irresponsible regarding mental health, you know you fucked up.
The whole "___ is a sociopath" is always a cop out statement given by someone about someone they dont care to attempt to understand. Jake Paul provides an example of life that is very similar to those ""inspirational", "I'm on my grind 24/7 and if you arent waking up at 5 am to get an extra hour of work in you just dont deserve it" type person. He is capitalism working as intended, providing the basically impossible picture for the lower classes to struggle to attain, even though its essentially impossible to reach. Keep your nose to the grind stone, never look up from work, and maybe, just maybe you'll get it. Alissa said it herself, she doesnt even pay for the house, the company does. To most people that *is* the other. That is alien, it needs to be explained. But we've been robbed of the vocabulary to discuss it.
Is always.. Is mostly wrong. I knew someone far too long and as I'm not a psychologist I for sure can never definitely say, but sociopathy was the best explanation for the behavior I experienced and there were many things that checked out. I compared that to anyone I knew as closely and myself and while some things were there most not.
It's creepy hearing Katie and Shane talk about Jake, after spying on him the whole time. Even if it was fake it's just weird the idea of pretending to be friends with someone while psychoanalyzing them.
Shane: "We've got you now, Jake Paul! Let's see who's behind the mask..." *takes off mask to reveal Shane Dawson, then proceeds to uneasily put it back on* "Monsters aren't real have a great day bye!"
really not digging shane's content recently. he was good at silly/funny/~spooky~. these serious documentaries are not suited for him at all, and come off shallow and not properly researched.
Sis I agree. I wish we could’ve gotten 8 hours of Spooky Boys and Shane being Shane instead of 8 hours of people I’m not watching his channel to see, y’know? I know he enjoys doing this himself and what he wants to do is in no way up to me or any of his fans, however the fact that he’s ignoring what a lot of people are saying about them missing his old content.
I'm over him. After all the dumb responses to the cat fucking and just general misogynist behavior I'm over it. His documentaries were so bad. That one where he took a serious trafficking story and smash cut it with a dumb chucky cheese conspiracy I just can't. He didn't even see that as rude and that concerns me.
the "sociopaths are creepy and have no heart because no empathy!!" narrative is so crazy to me because shane and that therapist clearly have 0 empathy for anyone with aspd
I stopped watching Shane about 5 years ago. I think he's a genuinely sensitive, well-meaning guy, but he clearly loves sensationalism, celebrity drama, and conspiracy theories to a fault. I don't think he *intends* to spread misinformation, but indulging in "what if" scenarios and feeding paranoia is unfortunately his modus operandi.
I've known guys (and girls tbh) like that, and I wouldn't call most of them nice or caring. When you want to be nice and caring, you care about your audience and the messages that you send out to it.
Okay, I'm only 4 minutes in and I haven't watched the Shane Dawson series because I just generally don't follow Shane Dawson but I already have problems. If this woman really in a therapist (which I am honestly skeptical about) she's not a very good one. If she were, she'd know that sociopathy is not a diagnosis and hasn't been for a while. What she is describing sounds closer to antisocial personality disorder. She'd also know not to describe someone as "evil", "creepy", or "heartless" when speaking in a professional, clinical context.
She does call it ASPD, and she is a professional therapist, they were having a casual discussion and saying that the feeling and actionis gross, she even made a video addressing it
@@megatronusorionpax4900 she did say sociopaths "don't have a heart", which isn't really professional. She knew she was filmed, she knew she was spreading information about mental issues that's going to end up on the internet, it is still irresponsible coming from a therapist. I would really like to see her license.
She's a therapist, but she deals with abusive relationships and eating disorders. So she's not even knowledgeable in ASPD. This is like if Shane went to a gynecologist and asked why he was having heart failure.
Katie Stolealltheunicorns ikr ?? i was so surprised to see katie in this vid (i didnt watch shane’s series) ? her videos are like...good and helpful ?? and cite sources ?? is she just like,,,,,tryna get subscribers or smth ??
I love how this chillingly ends around to Chompsky’s “Manufacturing Consent.” The Paul Brothers aren’t being told to or reacting to trends without authenticity to a create shallow content to be successful. The system is built to reward and promote shallow, commercial content and that’s what the Paul brothers create.
If you really pick apart Shane’s video and view Shane himself as he attempts to make the viewer see Jake, Shane truly comes off more as a sociopath than Jake himself
I've never watched Shane Dawson so I don't wanna be unfair, BUT... my impression of him in these clips... he seems incredibly fake. I also resented that he called himself an empath
I've always thought jake and his brother logan needed to get off of RU-vid. They are a disgrace and a poor role model for the kids that watch them. They both disgust me with their actions. Jake might not be as bad as logan but they both need to go. Also shane is not fake. He genuinely cares about the people he is trying to help. He has done so much to help others out of the kindness of his heart and he gets so much flack for it and that also makes me sick.
Shadow Queen I do agree that Shane is real and has a heart- though it is hard to ignore that this particular video really shows some of his ignorance and/or insensitivity
@@Kyolover8 Shane is playing a part, the part of the empathetic, pious "every man", which he is no more than you or I. He's just another famous for being famous RU-vid star with nothing of value to offer the world. He's just good at pretending to care.
I mean, he engaged in tons and tons of blatant grooming behavior of underage girls for years, and claimed he was just being silly and never meant any of it. That alone is creepy enough, but if he actually got thrills from it even if he didn't really act on it, that's an even bigger yikes.
Okay, third comment, you've managed to make me sympathize with individuals like Logan Paul and Jake Paul in 2 videos than Shane Dawson can do in several episodes. You breaking down these two's filmography is just... So interesting and genuine and disconnected in a gentle, kind way.
@@Dorian_sapiens The word that comes to mind is compassionate? Or thoughtful? There might be a more on-mark word for that concept. But yeah. I find myself agreeing with this sentiment! Another few that seem related are sympathetic / cognitively empathetic. Basically, you might not be able to really "get" how someone else feels but you understand on a logical/rational/cognitive level the context of those feelings and you put that into consideration. The type of empathy most people think of is affective empathy, but just being able to sit in other peoples' emotional states can backfire without some of the cognitive sort cultivated. (Like, if someone is mad around you, you might jump to the conclusion that they're mad at you specifically... rather than something else that they might be dealing with. This can frequently happen in those with BPD and C-PTSD, for example.)
@@ostravaofboletaria1027 They exist, but they either don't have to manipulate because it's not that sort of RU-vidr or someone smaller whose doing it as a hobby.
@@ostravaofboletaria1027 there are RU-vidrs who don't have to do all the cringy "OMG OMG I am literally shaking Jefree has a house and a warehouse full of boxes and he breathes too" all the time to make their audience feel the same about the subject of his video. Big Joel, for instance, doesn't do this kinda shit. Shane's online persona is so cartoony that I can't even take him seriously for a fucking second. I would say he manipulates his audience just like Jake Paul except, while Jake acts like a jack ass, Shan acts like the nice innocent guy to make people fall for him.
