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Tbh wish they did make a destiny 3 like I know it feels wrong but when I first started destiny 2 and transferred from D1 I wouldn’t of said that but now I feel as though Destiny 2 doesn’t feel like Destiny itself
beyond light was a doubled edge sword. the dcv getting rid of more than half the game and stasis destroying pvp. but stasis was amazing in pve and the new raid was one of the best we got. its hard to say wether beyond light was a good thing for destiny or not.
It’s something that is going to have to be looked back on in another expansion or so for it to be given a ‘definitive’ position of it being a good or bad expansion. Though pour one out of my Mars strikes, I loved those a lot even if it was a short expansion and the bosses. Also strike specific loot, I still loved those and DESPERATELY want back.
Well, PvP is dogshit and the secondary mode to the game, so that's fine enough getting shit on, The problem was losing half the good locations to vaulting, example: Titan.
Id definitely say a net loss just because of it setting the precedent that bungie can continually remove content from the game that we paid for and we can't do a thing about it.
Friend of mine started with destiny a few weeks ago and one of the firtst things we did was playing the stories. When we hit Forsaken and the first mission, he just said "yea this weird magician dude just died", talking about cayde-6. Let that sink in.
That's how most people responded to Caydes death if they started playing post shadowkeep (source me and most my clan are all post shadowkeep and we all just kinda shrugged it off). Cayde 6 is really only the best boy to D1 vets and that's okay, it's just how things go in an evolving story
Yeah I got my brother into destiny like a month ago. I relayed the Cayde 6 mission and I was explaining it to him but he obviously didn’t care for the character. To me he was a massive part of Destiny.
I mean I even knew who Cayde was and still though his death was a big fat meh. The first words out of my mouth were "O no the funny man died." More a criticism of how barren the personality of destiny characters are then anything. Cayde had one. Being the funny guy. Not much of one but he had one. I am not surprised new players don't really care about the characters much. They don't really try. Zavala is a brick wall and he is the norm for characters.
@@DeadlyGrub I think unless you played D1 and the D2 main campaign (which getting rid of that made no sense to me at all it was the perfect introduction to the world and characters) you’ll have zero attachment to the vanguard and most of the other characters in the game. Now it’s just: drop you in the world, do some basic fetch and pewpew quests, then off you go in to a giant world filled with lore and characters and plots and subplots. I never played d1 but I started D2 day one, and the campaign made me care about the world and the history and why things meant something and importance. It made me watch the d1 stories on RU-vid and better understand how things worked and why. It made me want to watch Byf and Evan and other great destiny content creators to fill me in on the gaps of knowledge of every aspect of the game. Now, new players, I couldn’t imagine the vast majority of them giving two shits about the story and the world. All these seasons and subplots and characters we knew from the past are just npcs to them and just a plot device to get leveled and geared. I stopped playing a few months ago because I just don’t care about the world anymore. The story is segmented and the introduction to the darkness and it ominous threats just went away for a whole year after the BL campaign and some post-campaign content. I’m a solo player mostly I rarely ever did raids and pvp and I feel like the game is just catering more and more to the hardcore base of players who cherish loot and endgame and pvp activities more than the world. I’m actually sad about it…
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The main downside to sunsetting was sunsetting everyones armor especially if you have triple 100 stats like I did that is not easy to obtain and was way more painful for me to trash my armor than to clear basically all weapons I had out of the vault because they got sunset
I didn’t know there was more than one page in the vault so when I came back I had all the room, got an assload of old exotics though, some surprisingly usable still even if they have old mods.
God, my vault was at like 496 before witchqueen and it was mostly just sunset weapons an armor. It made me rather upset an mad, that all this variety in PvE, gone. Do you see variety in PvE? I don't.. what do we all use? Mostly Izanagi's with one dude using Gally for the wolf pack, running the same god rolled weapons you've seen every streamer an their mother get in the very beginning. If I could use a bunch of my older PvE god rolls, I'd do it, because some of them were really fun!
I like Beyond Light, not as much as TTK but more than Shadowkeep. I really wish we could’ve seen what Beyond Light would be like without Covid, OP stasis, DCV, Sunsetting, a little bit more loot, and maybe another delay.
Its pretty obvious beyond light was majorly changed thoughout production. I mean, just look at how much it has. The exo stranger coming back, darkness arriving, dark vanguard, clovis bray, the deep stone crypt, all fallen houses in one with darkness, NEW DARKNESS SUBCLASS and more! It should have been bigger than taken king and forsaken on paper. But eris and drifter are barely involved, because they coudnt even record their voice acting, the fucking fish ghost, volantis and clarity control... it was simply cut and its pretty clear. Sunsetting and DCV had a major impact on it, but covid was what fucked BL up.
I swear we've been living in a COVID time-loop for the past three years. I really hope once this all ends (And once Lightfall is released), they'll re-release Beyond Light and have it at its maximum potential. Sure, it's Wishful thinking, but it could happen. Also, a good way to have the DCV be better going forward is to have older content be in free DLC's, maybe accessed through Amanda - like the first trilogy - or the basic Steam DLC system.
This video is just amazing. An entire year summed up in 40 minutes with all the good and bad points of all the content Beyond Light has delivered this year. Congrats dude!
For me personally, I was “ok” with the DCV but it’s executed was terribly. Little to no new weapons at launch in BL where they had to literally bring back weapons from year 3 just to have something. Do the locations, I was “ok” (like who want to go to Mercury?) but my issue is that they did an 180 with PvP like how did we loose the Tangled Shores map, or some of the “less popular “ Nessus maps or even the Trials of the Nine maps ? If I can access the location in pve (I.e. Tangled Shore) then in PvP I should STILL be able to play it. In short, I’m again “OK” with the DCV but the way they did it is very confusing and it kind of shifted my perspective and gave me a reality check and kind of scares me and perhaps even a new player trying to get in .
And 2 of the gambit maps are in vaulted locations (mars and titan) and they took out the tangled shore and dreaming city maps. I don’t mind the dcv, but they make some wonky choices for what stays and what goes.
@@rorulalonde6849 They were removed because they were unpopular. I agree with one or two choices for each activity, but taking out SO MANY was not a great idea when they knew DCV is gonna hit us hard. I personally was not okay with the DCV and I am still on the fence if Bungie is delivering fixes fast enough to keep up with their promise, since the game breaks constantly now due to the constant adding/removing. But I have hopes that with time, they will deliver something great.
I LOVE your idea of releasing a smaller "old D2 game" with all the old raids and activities, destinations, etc. I'd LOVE to be able to show people Zero Hour, Whisper, The Leviathan (All raids/Raid layers), and even old activities like Vex Offensive :b I miss everything from before Shadowkeep
This would be great. Even if they relegated it to a non-live service model that just existed as the campaigns, activities etc but no randoms or matchmaking, so you can run it all on your main machine but have the option to "host" a fireteam for friends only to run that stuff with. Sorta like Borderlands. They wont do it though since it would suck players from the current day version and they would lose potential EV sales.
Very much agreed, I've been saying the same since BL launched. Pull up the repository version of the final version of Arrivals, add Undying, Dawn and Worthy content back in (plus some cut content like Mara's appearances in Dreaming City), progression data if they still have backups of that, as well as the anticheat, and launch it as "Destiny 2: Legacy". No further effort required other than basic server upkeep like D1 gets. I know it would be much more complicated to do than "just do this and that", but that would be my dream scenario, and at this point I'd honestly pay full price for it if I had to. Heck, I've even got a backup of the whole Arrivals game install on the tiny off-chance that some modder some day manages to figure out how to run it on a private server.
Or they could try to do what MCC does and create install packages for certain parts of the game. That way, players could have all the content in the same game but choose what they want installed or not. Ex: let’s say you’ve played forsaken’s story too many times to count and want to go back and play red war, simply go to the install section and uninstall forsaken and start the download on red war
"Instead of building destiny 3" ...we realised that we can make more money selling D3 to you as D2 season pass content..and we can dilute the content by reissuing weapons and armour you've already acquired.
This may not be on topic with the video, but I generally think destiny is just not a good free to play experience. I’ve been getting back into the game recently and we’ll it just doesn’t feel like I can really make major progress on my character unless I keep up with the dlcs and seasons. Just doesn’t feel like this game was ever made to be a free to play format.
Would've loved those icy Gambit & Crucible themed maps. But, I'm still rather pleased with what they added. Stasis was buggy and broken, but they patched it relatively fast (except shatterdive).
The issue with sunsetting weapons in Destiny has everything to do with how Bungie implements their "loot" system. If we compare Destiny to other "loot" based games Destiny is far too "stingy" with their loot (this has been an issue since day one of Destiny). Getting one weapon per raid/dungeon encounter (and most activities) is severely underwhelming compared to the aforementioned games where loot is more or less overwhelming. Sunsetting would work if Bungie cranked the drop rate knob up to 11 for literally every activity. Think about it, how many times do people run GM nightfalls when it's double loot drop? I'd venture to guess that they get the most traffic on those weeks than weeks when they don't have double drops (the caveat being which GM it is as well). With depressingly low drop rates, the notion of sunsetting brought the value of a player's time to the forefront - "Why keep playing a game if my time isn't respected". To this day, the loot system is still debilitating, hopefully, the crafting system with Witch Queen will mitigate some of these feelings, but the truth is spending more time with one singular weapon does not solve the issue of loot scarcity in Destiny 2.
It took me 115 runs of GM lake of shadows for a palindrome I wanted, now it's rendered inferior to the same gun from the same activity in season 16 because bungie doesn't respect any time and effort you put in
my problem with Beyond light is that i have trouble calling it an “expansion” when they sunset half of the weapons, and got rid of 4 worlds to replace one. I’m not as mad about the stasis, but Destiny has been an MMORPG, and i have a problem with getting rid of almost of the exploration kinda takes away from the whole experience.
Right? imagine if like FFXIV decided to 'vault' AAR in its entirety, Coil's of Bahamut.. thats an end game raid that is STILL considered the hardest content to do. They'd find themselves losing a lot of the dedicated playerbase, or atleast concurrent playerbase. Destiny players have always confused me, an I'm in that list. Why is it we allowed Bungie to remove *PAID* content? Whats worse, if you go through the files? they haven't vaulted anything, its just not available, its still in the game files.. so this excuse of 'ballooning size' is somewhat.. bunk?
It’s ironic that this video which basically embodies the message (at least in my opinion) “beyond light was good, and I think that the game is in good hands and will stay this way through Witch Queen and beyond” was released only a few hours before Bungie being bought out by another company (Sony) was announced.
I think Beyond Light would have been better if they had just removed those locations but never sunset weapons imo. I dont agree with the sunset of 21%, Recluse and Mountain. They are super weapons and were damn hard to get. Every game needs weapons and items like this to spur players on and keep them playing. For example in Fallout 76, you want to get an explosive minigun because it's OP as fuck and every player has the ability to get one shoudl they just put the time into the grind.
@@WaveForceful I disagree, sunsetting shouldn't have gotten rid of the amount of stuff that it did but the main things that they needed to sunset was some of the pinnacle weapons, especially recluse which was very easy to get. The PVE meta suffered because of recluse - mountaintop and it needed to be sunset. Some I wish stayed like breakneck but if the PVE meta was better off with the weapons getting sunset then so be it. When a single loadout becomes the only loadout for every PVE activity, any new weapons that are added will not be used Though sunsetting in general was poorly done as they didn't have enough new weapons to replace the ones we lost i still think losing the pinnacle weapons was better for the game
Basically bungie: Making D3 hard, we make 4 new fortnite season passes each year that cost like triple a games but also we remove your old stuff so you cant play them again, therefore making more money than making D3 without even making D3
I’m glad to see they’re expanding “vanguard ops” beyond using strikes as the core vanguard experience. Using them for nightfalls is great, but I’ve played them too many times to enjoy running them as often as the game seemingly wants you to.
The one thing that keeps me from going back to this game is the fact everything costs a ton of money. It also doesn't help that they straight up removed content we paid for, and the whole weapon/item sunsetting.
the thing about the vault thats the most dumb is you can still access almost all the "vaulted" content most of those locations are still in the game files the assets for them are still there taking up space, people who say "its the systems that cause the issues" well thats not accurate its a part but most of those systems are still in the game aswell used in different areas that ARE in use. as for the narative it suffers from "setup-itis" that a lot of movies have trying to set up the next part that doesnt end things or fill in plot hoiles its just more setup for the next thing and so on, never giving closure and given leaks about how assinine some of the bungi vetrians are being shown to be going on about a "vision" but never giving direction it makes snece the story always ends up feeling empty. I hope chnages are made at the top end of bungie as they seem to be crushing the game for the sake of "user retention" using metrics and not actualy careing about why the players would wnat to play the game, it so sadening as desting has the best gunplay I have ever had the pleasure of playing with and the abilities and potential for story that other games dont come close to but they squader it badly.
My first DSC run, before the Deep Stone Lullaby part started, everyone told everyone to shut up so me as a first time runner can fully experience it. I almost cried at that part. Still one of my favorite memories of D2
If we count the DLC itself (not counting the DCV and sunsetting) the only problem was broken PVP. As a PVE player it didn't affect me much, so I got legend lost sectors, stasis (really fun in PVE) an awesome raid and a really cool new location, so I think that it was pretty good overall, especially compared with Shadowkeep. The problem was the DCV and sunsetting but I consider it part of the season, not the DLC
well said. Most issues were not expansion related. Given the circumstances, they delivered a solid product that is was a significant improvement over seasons 2,3,5,6,8, and 10
Personally I loved beyond light, it was the peak of me grinding destiny with a full and active clan. Covid was ass but all my classes were online and we had to stay home so destiny was prime time. Did the day one raid and got absolutely stomped. But the memories I have from deepstone day 1 and chasing the triumphs are some of my favorite. And I hate to admit it but I peaked when stasis titan was just busted and got my unbroken title. Truly a golden age.
Half the community has been here since d1 and d2 has been around for many years but is still playable unlike many new games that come out every 6 months destiny as a whole is more then a game it’s a community based around a game
So I was someone who started playing Destiny 2 at a friend's recommendation back before Beyond Light launched. I dove in head-first, loving the gameplay and having a lot of fun with even the mediocre first campaign. I was hyped for Beyond Light and everything they teased beyond that, in no small part because of the same excited energy my friend brought with his own reaction. I didn't like that i had to get a lot of story context from outside the game, but i was willing to accept it... for a bit. Where i ended up falling out was with sunsetting. I hadn't REALLY been very deep into any of the big MMOs before (aside from Guild Wars 2 that has a wholly horizontal progression system) so sunsetting seriously bothered me, especially since i was SUPER proud of the Goldtusk I'd farmed from the Menagerie and when i learned i wouldn't be able to use it anymore and (at the time) there was no alternative in sight. Regardless, I played for a little while longer after Beyond Light launched. I played for maybe 1-2 months but i just kept feeling bothered. I was really upset (maybe irrationally so) about my lost weapons that i only had a few months with and that fact, combined with a couple things going on in my personal life, caused me to drop the game. As I've watched the extra information coming out around the game and trying my best to keep up with content creators, i've just felt really unmotivated to return. I know there's Quickfang now and other stuff that's replaced old Sunsetted gear, but i don't think i'm built for the typical gear treadmill, constantly raising your power to be able to even try to play the new activities, seasonal or otherwise. It felt less like fun and more like an obligation and that saddened me because i REALLY enjoyed the gameplay for a while. Maybe it's the gearing, maybe it's the power level farming, maybe it's just because i wasn't really that good at the game. At any rate, i really enjoyed and appreciated this video recapping everything. It was really well made and thought out and I really don't think i disagreed with anything you said Ironically enough. Anyways, thanks for always making the content that you do. Looking forward to the next vid!
Forsaken should have ABSOLUTELY been the Red War, CoO, and Warmind replacement as the free to play story. Not only is it fantastic, but with how much this year focused on Crow/Uldren, new players getting much needed context would have been huge. And probably would have been worth the loss in Forsaken sales, for getting those players into buying the current seasons.
@@acoustic_. I beg to differ tbh. I jumped into Destiny with Shadowkeep. Had a lot of fun and wanted more so I bought Forsaken. The storytelling and cinematography make it clear Cayde was important. Sure I may not have the same fondness or experience you do with Cayde, but only so much can stay in the game. Destiny 3 isn’t happening. Some things will have to go.
@@chloec4009 well that's just false. come on, no matter what your experience was with cayde, he has no attachment to new lights. You barely see him and he makes a few jokes and cool tricks before we just see him die. Its like seeing a new character in a movie that you've been watching for 40 minutes only for him to just die after 5 minutes of screen time. stop with the bullshit. No new light really cares about cayde unless they know his backstory. Now red war on the other hand LITERALLY gives a new light the backstory on why the fuck they go to the tower everyday. Way more practical.
@@remynyc149 Is it? May I remind you that a lot of free games have a 8-20h campaign. First one that comes to mind, with over 20h is Warframe. And Destiny even requires you to pay for additional content, while Warframe doesn't. I don't think it's too much from a company that just sold for over 3 billion.
@@ToadimusPrime war frame is completely free to play though. Destiny is more free to try. If warframe has a better content distribution for you play that. They aren’t obligated to make anything free of you don’t like a business model use your money for one that you do like
Beyond Light is underrated. It came out during peak Covid and it was a perfect way to forget about everything going on around us in the world. Europa is a fantastic location, the exotics in the expansion were superb, the story was great, Stasis was amazing in PvE, and the raid was fantastic. Sunsetting and vaulting aside, I think content wise, BL was amazing
Beyond Light was my first destiny experience and while for old D2 players it might have been bad for me I thought it was good. Which I think says a lot. Even when its bad its still good enough. I have come to enjoy watching the sandbox change and the feel of the game. BTW I am literally writing this as we are having an earthquake in oklahoma. Ominous. Anyways I am really excited to see what WQ has to offer with such a bad launch of beyond light and giving them extra months to develop the DLC plus having this long season I think we are going to see something amazing. Possibly what we might call Destiny 3?
@@jacklion109 I wish I had started playing back then. I would have loved to try mountain top and recluse before they were sunset. I mean I have tried them in prophecy and other low light things but I wish I had played with the original experience. But In hindsight Season of the Hunt was trash. But it was good enough to keep me playing so thats good.
I mentioned this in my review of the DLC on Steam. As content, it's good! But it was the circumstances around the game and features implemented at release that left a probably permanent black mark on this DLC's reputation.
Honestly I adore Destiny once I finally managed to break through the New Light experience. After I understood what everything meant gameplay wise I've been playing so much more and almost have 400 hours by this point with only less than a year of playing and I adore it so much more with Witch Queen. I almost outright quit during Beyond Light though and I despised Stasis with every fiber of my being and that feeling of being punished for not playing the game since launch really sucks, It really feels like I missed so much stuff and now will never get the chance to play that old cool content as of now and If I want to know anything about the lore I have to watch 3 hour long YT videos to understand what is going on but beyond the irritation of missing out my only gripe these days is how expensive everything in the shop is. 2 $40 dlc and a $30 anniversary pack on top of $5-$15 items in the shop feels like a bit much but oh well I suppose, that's the price for being F2P
You know what, after some time I partially forgave Bungie for Beyond Light. Corona was happening, communication and synchronization issues were evident. However, I think that migration to the new engine was also a huge part of the lackluster Beyond Light. Now, we can only hope that The Witch Queen will be a semi-decent expansion. I don't mind there being not huge amount of content, as long as that content is replayable and fun.
I dont buy the covid excuse. Unless they were actually losing people because they were dying from it. If covid was an issue its because management wasnt good at their job and couldnt handle managing people when they werent directly in front of them. Which would still be a bungie issue and not that pandemic.
@@ronnie3044 that’s so unfair. They have never managed people from such a distance before. I have reason to believe you haven’t worked in an environment that bungie had to in order to put out this expansion. Not only that, working from home was a difficult thing during corona, so it’s not just “managements” fault
@@Rayquaza228 A lot of coding is done asynchronously with people being designated specific tasks, if any field could adapt to COVID it should be game development. That’s not to say Beyond Light was bad, I ended up enjoying it. I’m just tired of people using COVID as an excuse for not meeting some people’s expectations, the expansion was finished 8 months after the lockdown so they had plenty of time to work around the new restrictions and find their groove. Plus, those new development tools are supposed to be far more efficient than the original ones.
@@crazygamer696 i agree with what you said about beyond light, but i find it also important that despite the expansion coming out 7 months after, there are still much more limitations put on them that isn’t extremely feasible to “work around” due to COVID. And I agree and understand that coding is worked upon in different sections by different people for an overall project, but there is still much more to the game than just the coding behind it including creating a story, managing content, and much more.
I’ve also thought it’s likely the engine rework that made Beyond Light pretty light on content, after release it’s pretty clear, at least in my mind, that Beyond Light was meant to be a baseline that they add onto with other expansions, but it’s really hard to know for sure until Witch Queen is actually out
The "Pew-Pews" of Destiny 2 hit harder than my Abuela's Sandal. Also, I like the beginning missions for NewLight. There's a nice little narrative consistency with Shaw and defeating Navota. Now, if they combined the new and old models, with Ikora sending you on a mission to explore the planets and getting to know the Mission-Givers, that would be really cool. Because now, there's really no incentive to go explore.
Hey evan, just wanted to let you know... you aren't a developer, we all know that. You know that. I, however am a developer. You do NOT know nothing. I presently enjoy your content coverage of destiny more than actually playing it. Your insight, feeling, and engagement with this game and the broader game medium is inspirational. I hope to one day facilitate players as engaged and dedicated to their passions as you are to this one. So here's one to you man, don't stop doin what you're doin. I, and I think a great many other destiny fans really appreciate you and your efforts.
21:28 Man this just makes me think what could of been. The mood of this music and the promotional material behind it gives an air of a grey moral zone that is somewhat somber. Solitude on an icy planet with an ancient power and the worry of it corrupting the player. That's not what we got, but man that would have been awesome.
How would they portray a morally grey zone with a silent protagonist that we play as a power trip experience? Kinda curious since you know, it's hard for them to write the Young Wolf/Us without ruining the experience of people who already have a headcanon on who their Guardian is, etc. I do agree that they could've done this with other side characters like Exo Stranger and that would've made it interesting.
I’m not sure about sunsetting being the most damaging thing to Destiny 2’s reputation. Remember at launch when the community found out Bungie was purposely throttling EXP gains so that it forced you to buy the XP Boosters from the Eververse? (That’s some Ubisoft shit from Bungie right there). Or when the community found out you had to buy re-buy Destiny 1 weapons and armour that were being brought into Destiny 2 (e.g. You had to own Forsaken and Season Of The Drifter and The Joker’s Wild to get hold of The Last Word and Thorn, weapons we already brought / used / owned in Destiny 1).
In all honesty Beyond Light was a huge step backwards and the game still hasn't and probably wont ever recover. For an 'expansion' that had a AAA price they removed more than half of the games content, it was in essence a huge 'contraction'. Obviously stasis was massively over tuned and ruined PvP for almost a year. Worst of all though, the new light player experience was completely destroyed. Everything i did when i started the game was based around all of the old planets that have been taken out of the game. The exotic quests for all Warmind and Forsaken weapons, and also all 3 old campaigns that were pre-Forsaken are lost. D2 is in this super weird position now where if you experienced all this stuff and are a veteran player then the game sort of makes sense in terms of its direction and where we came from. But man alive, there is no way i could recommend this game to a new player anymore, it is an absolute confused husk of what it once was. Imagine starting the game now and thinking the Cabal had very little to do with anything (excluding season of the Chosen) and that Shaw Han was your main NPC. Also, the fact that Bungie are somewhat given a pass for Beyond Light because they were re-coding everything is nonsense. I honestly couldn't care less if these coding tweaks (which have made gameplay objectively worse since in terms of connection and lag) made things 'easier' for Bungie moving forward. my enjoyment of a games content is not based on how 'easy' it is for the Devs to provide it. Its based on the quality of their product. Im not paying AAA prices for expansions in order to make things 'easier' for the Devs. Over the last year they have definitely improved things loot and content wise. But its a long road back from what they did in Beyond Light. New players struggle to get into to play D2 anymore, and old players cant recommend it anymore. That is definitely not what Bungie was looking for
as someone who started playing Destiny 2 in December, I absolutely wouldn't have stuck with it if I was in it for the story or didn't have a friend to guide me. The game does some of the most atrocious onboarding I've ever experienced in a game
not defending Bungie nor this shitty DLC, but it could be worse. look at warframe, if you *don't* have both a friend and the wiki on a second monitor, you're gonna be lost for months in that game lol
@@ahreuwu I've never really gotten into Warframe (probably for said reason) but Bungie did at least do better than Dwarf Fortress which requires an entire 100 level course to learn the UI
I tried Destiny 2 back in 2018 and didnt find it fun. I tried again when Beyond light came out but still didnt find it fun. Back in September i gave the game one more shot and this has become one of my favorite games i have ever played. As much as it sucks to miss out on so much content that was put into the DCV i am excited for Witch Queen for its story and the hunt for loot. Im so into this game i already have a team for day 1 raid for Witch Queen. Im glad to have given the game another chance and the tones of videos you and others put out to learn the lore of things i missed. Keep up the work and play on Guardians.
It is really fun until you onlock all the weapons and armor, which takes a very long time. But once you have all the items like gilgamesh from fate. It becomes pretty dull. But by then you've probably put in 500+ hours.
In regards to Eramis, I gotta be honest and I say I disagree on wanting to kill her off. I see the story of this expansion as not being a one off like the Rise of Iron story, but instead being a story that masquerades as a one off that will be folded into a climax later with other storylines, Avenger's style. This story is all about setup for a future expansion, that tries to still be a story on its own (which sadly does result in the narrative being weakened, most likely due to time constraints with trying to balance this). Eramis is introduced as a faction leader siding with darkness and is developed somewhat but not a ton, because I believe the rest of her story and development will come later when she is thawed out and (supposedly/theoretically) allies with other darkness factions, thus putting her in the environment and setting for her next arc/development. In effect, this makes Beyond Light not her main story, but rather her extended introduction/origin. Does this kinda suck in some ways since it means she feels underdeveloped in this expansion? Absolutely, and I think it's a shame that she didn't have more to do. However, I'd rather her survive to be further developed and used later, than killed off. Keeping her alive means we can have a character show up as a future antagonist that has already been introduced in the past, instead of being a villain of the week that was introduced and killed in the expansion/season they were introduced in. I think that will help because Destiny lacks a lot of villains with in game history like that, and we need more to help give the narrative more weight and make us more invested in the villains we're facing (we're only just now starting to get villains like that with Savathun and the game could certainly use more).
Sunsetting weapons was a good thing. Literally NOTHING could have replaced Mountaintop/Recluse/Luna’s Howl without being even more stupidly overpowered. That was the only way to get rid of them. They should never have made those 3 in the first place, especially not Mountaintop
I think that Bungie knew what they were doing when they dropped BL. Yeah the DCV sucked, the weapons at launch were wimpy, and season of the hunt was middling at best, but it set up literally the best year of content Destiny has ever had. BL was the reset button that a sequel would have been without forcing players to start over and I think the game is better off for it.
nag, i didnt like year 4. I hate when destiny is predictible. its best when it surprises you. i guess presage did that but that's it. also the do core activity, do repeatable mission then watch a story you are not a part of even with uldren is just not fun. I just think bungie can do a lot better and you were probably a new light and that's fine. year 3 at least felt fresh every season, like a box of chocolates, never know what you're gonna get. nothing will ever overtake year 2, just research year 2, it is SO fun! before beyond light I was so obsessed t=with destiny, it was almost a second life, a big part of my life, but now its just a game I love but not the excitement I once had. i hope witch queen brings back year 2 esc content
People who think they forced are ones who think destiny something else which is call duty with like lore scattered here and there mostly from singleplayer campaign mode but that’s not destiny from the beginning.
Sun setting ruined the game for me, they said they’d make guns memorable yet they took all of mine away from me. The fact they rereleased them right after made it even worse
Beyond Light is definitely one of the better expansions and for anyone to disagree I think is crazy but nonetheless everyone is entitled to their opinion wrong or not.
After shadowkeep being pretty awful and forsaken proving how good bungie could make their expansions I think there was a lot of hype and the number of new weapons/exotics was underwhelming for some people
@@zonecrimzon1222 While I did look at videos to get my bearings, therein lies the problem: Why did I have to do that? Why does every other game introduce game mechanics and modes with deliberation, whereas Destiny 2 feels scattered beyond belief, there's barely anything in-game to indicate what you're supposed to do? I'll admit to liking the shooting mechanics enough that I'll keep playing for the foreseeable future, but I consider it bad game design when I have to go outside the game to know what to do.
@@CSSLZT13 clearly you’ve not played any of the dark souls games, you also must not have played a single mmo or level based game ever because none of them tell you the best strats to get better quickly. Either way I was just trying to help you out so have a nice day ig.
I think the one thing left now that witch queen is out that I want to see happen is a revamp to the new light experience. I understand that this is lost money at first for them as there is no guarantee that the consumer buys anything at all, however, it does raise the odds that someone actually understands what is happening and why this is an amazing game to play. The saving new lights thing was just revealing a hole that already existed there. A log of all of the cutscenes from launch to now would be pretty intense but also very easy to implement as well as all you have to do is make a button that plays the cutscene in the timeline. This, plus an actual first quest, plus probably a better intro to and from the timeline should help new lights a lot
I was a new light in shadowkeep and it was fucking amazing. So much good stuff to do. And I got hooked, paid for the other expansions. If I was a new light in beyond light, I would have run for the door. There was nothing to offer and pvp was a complete mess with a subclass I would not had access too. My buddy that started with season of Dawn quit playing not long after beyond light for many reasons...sunsetting and loss of destinations was very high on his list. Furthermore, beyond light really needed to have a dungeon and second strike...the lemet quest could have easily be turned into a strike.
yep. i started playing around the same time and i stopped for pretty much the same reasons. well, that as well as stasis in pvp being practically impossible to fight against.
I think it should be noted that cross platform saved D2 during this time. I was on an xbox and my friends were all ps4 so when i started destiny in 2019 i played alone. I usually played once a week at most, barely any progression. With crossplay, we have a whole gang of xbox, ps, and pc dudes playing everyday. Anytime i wanna play, someone’s on. Without crossplay D2 would definitely be dead imo
They should never have to remove content. Technology’s more then advanced enough these days hard drives and ssds are cheaper then ever. There’s no excuse for it
I was just ticked off because I bought the game a week before the vault... I bought all the dlc played for a few days then couldn't play what I bought anymore. I was very upset
As a new player to season 15, the story is maddening. I’m lucky to be able to eat the cost of the game, but I still feel like I’m FORCED to watch RU-vid to even understand a tiny bit of the story. The New Light “experience” is an absolute joke, and I can’t help but feel like Bungie just didn’t have the time and resources to give a shit about it. It’s frankly the worst I’ve ever seen across every game I’ve ever played. The magic of Destiny’s late game content and the fun of playing with my clan are about the only reasons I even stuck around. This part of game desperately needs to revised and actually given some real attention.
Totally agree The D2 new light experience has always been crap. The story issue is defintely a thing but that comes with jumping into anything 'late'. But welcome to the game, glad that you stuck around!
Yeah it's not in a good state for new players. At all. For those of us that played from day one D1 all the way through? It's been a great ride. Removing the campaigns from the game was a really big mistake, at the very least the Red War campaign was a great starting point for new Destiny players.
I really like your idea on helping new light and returning players appreciate the story more. After the new light intro quest I think a pop up linking them to the timeline is necessary and that they should add old cutscenes so people get to appreciate the story all the more even tho in the past expansions they were definitely confusing
Forsaken was when this game was amazing. In Shadowkeep and Beyond Light it felt the game has taken a downward spiral. Some great things and there. But I will die on this hill and say, anytime you take anything away from a paying customer and not make up for it, you will lose trust, and customers. This is customer service 101. After this, my energy has sort of gravitated away. I haven’t felt hype once. Things looks ok, but the disappointment is far greater. 4 years without maps, crucible, gambit, new strikes. It has been removed with little in return.
I hope this dynamic weather thing affects the game (atmospherically at least) in The Witch Queen on the level as something like Valheim. The rain in Valheim is awesome, and I would love for the swamp area in the throne world to have rain, or storms, similar to this affecting the area. For example, when the rain, or fog, or something sets in, the Lucent Brood start jumpscaring you, and attacking out of nowhere from outside of you vision.
I enjoyed beyond light a lot, Its the expansion that actually got my friends back into destiny. Which is awesome, It will always be known as one of my personal favorite. Also the Raid is one of my favorite.
The content of literally every online game will be gone when the servers shut down some day. At least the content vault brings positive points too. I really appreciate it because even with so much content gone everything takes sooo long to load
I still remembers the time when I first saw the photo at 21:43 , when BL revealed. That photo game the chill, like it has the atmosphere of darkness, cold, and danger and I love it
Beyond light was such a disappointment it actually got me to stop playing destiny completely, shadow keep and the season before we’re bad but BL put the final nail in the coffin.
Honestly I like Beyond Light. Sure the DCV was pretty poorly executed, but now they have gone back on sunsetting, it's shaping up to be great. The seasonal content wasn't half bad, the only bad season was Season of the Hunt. Stasis was a beautiful addition to the game, sure it shipped unbalanced, but it opened up new playstyles, was probably the driving factor to update the Light subclasses, and will probably encourage future Darkness subclasses, which I am all for.
The thing is, sunsetting was never about "losing" your weapons. They were simply made less effective in high level content. You can still keep them and use them in normal content
The only thing that shitty community cares about is RU-vidrs meta. Same with the rest of sunsetting stuff. Old content was "online" for couple of years, almost noone plays it, but when sunsetting comes keyboard warriors Goes to war with strong haters support.
I solo grided for such a long time to get a God roll Bygones. I was sooooo hyped and it became my go to weapon in almost every game mode. When they announced sunsetting, I lost all drive to play the game. In my mind, all hype rare drop moments would be tarnished by the thought they would be useless eventually. D2 was one of my favorite games and with one decision, they lost me.
I love the video, but Eramis being frozen is actually good. Hear me out. Many times in WoW they have done this. Leaving enemies unconscious or “defeated” so they return in the future bigger and badder. So instead of focusing on what they did, think about what they could do. That’s the way u gotta look at it or ur gonna depress urself
One issue I had with Beyond Light is that through out the whole expansion they keep telling us and warning us that stasis and using the darkness is dangerous and can corrupt people, and yet we never see that happen, I wish there was a story beat that actually showed this like say in a cutscenes we see our guardian become more brutal like ripping the arm off a dreg or slowly torturing an enemy before we kill it only to realize how brutal we have become or something and learn to control it later on.
@@raffertykeane-eastwood2046 yah. I get people not liking story, it's absolutely upto the person, for me things happening in game was so much more enjoyable. Also, when I say beyond light I am talking about overall story for the year 4 including all the seasons that came after Beyond Light. chosen, splicer and now lost have been amazing imo. I agree that Campaign story was only above average, and my main complaint is that Eramis is great and intriguing character but they just left that story beat without picking it up again, tbh I am glad Eramis is alive because she's great and I hope they pick her story up again. And most of the amazing story that came with beyond light was from lore books and sadly so many people won't get to experience those amazing story beats because most people don't read lore books, Dark Future, Ship Stealer and Clovis journal are some of the best lore writing in the game.
I started playing at a weird time, last year, I bought the DLCs at the same time. Took about a month to get everything sorted out. As a new player and very little guidance from the game it became overwhelming. Then the splicer came out I stopped paying attention to any story line. 500 hours in and I still have no idea whats going on in the dreaming city I feel like I missed something big.
Shadowkeep was when I started playing and back then I didn’t feel like I needed to buy the expansions because there was already a lot of free content I could explore. I did eventually buy forsaken and shadowkeep but that was 2 or 3 months after I started playing. When I started over on a new account in beyond light I felt I needed to buy beyond light or I couldn’t be able to be as good as other players or experience the same things because I couldn’t do as many things, and with people running around with stasis killing you with shatterdive or with the stasis supers. I did eventually buy it and all the other expansions for my new account but I feel cheated out of basic things I could do for free.
Sony just bought bungie so the term “a community thats is very very confused at the moment” is a major understatement imo man. I hope they dont fuck it up.
I think my biggest issue with Beyond Light is that, outside of the original BL campaign, everything else (namely the seasonal stories) built toward Witch Queen rather than supplement Beyond Light. Sure we have the whole Darkness aspect in BL, but the campaign focused more on Eramis and less on the Darkness as an actual entity rather than a source of power. Season of the Hunt? Bringing Uldren Sov back into the fold as Crow and planting Osiris, as we now know (well, it was figured out long ago but actually confirmed this season) is Savanthun's literal eyes and ears in the City. Season of the Chosen? Bringing Cabal on board as an ally against the Darkness. Season of the Splicer? Bringing Fallen on board as an ally against the Darkness. Season of the Lost? Bringing Mara Sov back into the game after losing her in Taken King, setting up the big Savanthun = Osiris reveal, and Crow's personal struggles which in turn has made Mara do some REALLY, and I mean *REALLY* questionable things.
"Another golden era", I am kind on the fence on this statement. Every year now, since d1, they have said "The best is yet to come", yet there have always been massive problems. It is easy to keep saying the best is yet to come, or another golden era, for years on end.
I’m new. And I gotta say, I don’t think Beyond Light deserved a third of the hate I’ve seen. Beyond Light seems amazing. I don’t think people would give it so much hate if the stuff wasn’t vaulted alongside it. There is NO question to me, Beyond Light is definitely the first DLC I’m going to get.
Without all the seasonal content that was just removed BL is honestly not a good expansion and not worth buying aside from stasis. The story campaign is only 4 hours long and there is a huge lack of content, just nothing to do on Europa at all besides grinding stasis upgrades.
I kinda hope now that Sony bought bungie we might be able so get some content back, that would be nice, just to have a lot of variety of activities you can do and planets.
My best friend recently passed. We have hundreds, if not thousands, of hours playing together in Destiny 2 alone. I will forever have 499 slots in my bank unless they (expand it) because I refuse to give up a replica of his favorite gun that he always had equipped. Sunset or not, I’ll always have a piece of my friend with me.
Beyond Light also did not come with a dungeon or a public-space planetary activity like Forsaken and Shadowkeep did. Hopefully Which Queen surprises me, but I doubt it and I will have to criticize that expansion too.
