The Failed Message of Beyond Two Souls: A Deep Dive Look 

In regards to Ryan: I also think it's really telling on Ryan that if Jodie rejects sex with him due to trauma from "Like Other Girls) in "The Dinner Chapter" instead of asking if she's ok he just gets mad and leaves. He was not there for her, he was there for just sex

👻i liked this game when i was in high school but as an adult i see all the flaws that i ignored. i really don’t like that there’s not an ending where jodie gets to keep aiden and live

i can agree the game isn’t very good, the writing is poor. But I loved games like this at the time, so much that I named my dog “aiden”. It has a soft spot for me

David Cage games have a LOT of issues (I do unironically love Detroit Become Human, though, even through all the flaws), but the one that bothers me most is his romantic subplots. You went over it here with Jodie and Ryan, but there's also the weird age-gap romance between Lauren and the detective guy in Heavy Rain that comes from nowhere (I don't remember his name), and the weird, forced thing between Markus and North in Detroit Become Human. Like, as someone who genuinely enjoys romantic subplots, I'd prefer no romance at all to a forced one with no chemistry. Beyond Two Souls is probably my least favorite David Cage game, honestly. I think it's also the only game where almost no one can die, which is...a strange choice.

👻 I remember wanting to play this game but just ended up watching let’s plays of it and liking it because I like the idea of Aiden and Jody being bound together. I feel like there’s a handful of relationship dynamics you can look at with that premise.

I am buffled that the game didnt consistent show how she is terrified of hurting people, and when telling that soldiers to stop following her, because she does make cleear that ther is something that hurts them if she does. She really could show she just feels bad for the hurt that people have to make her look less malicious and mre just desperate and want to be left alone, to not hurt people. And of course, cant it be just an actuivist she murdered?

This is definitely the weakest of David Cage/Quantic Dream’s “Big Three”, a lot of the criticisms you mention from the story elements to the bizarrely designed QTEs are facts. I always used to joke around about how this game feels like it wants to be a movie more than a game when compared to Heavy Rain and Detroit, and now I genuinely do believe it (even down to the movie-esque aspect ratio). 👻

The forced relationship with Ryan has to be the absolute worst part of this game based on everything that was pointed out in this video. Every time I think about replaying this game, I remember Ryan, and any interest I had dies immediately (going through that forced BS once was enough!) And while the relationship with Jay feels just as forced/rushed; at least we see those two bonding over what's happening on the farm/what Jodie is going through (I'm sure Jodie and Aiden removing the curse on the family and potentially saving the father during that hellish ordeal helped tremendously in that)- so there's something to support why they would connect and become an item (something that just does not exist in any measure when it comes to Ryan).

I loved your analysis, but I think you overanalyzed the dog part. I mean, I'm against animal cruelty and slavery (because yes, using dogs as weapons is terrible), but those dogs are trained to harm or killed other individuals. In that point of the game, Jodie is running away, and the CIA is using everything they had to catch her. I get that they're unnecessary killings, but if anyone is put in that situation they probably wouldn't stop to think “Huh, I shouldn't hurt these dogs because hurting dogs is bad”. These dogs are killing machines, they're sadly trained to do that. Same with Ellie in TLOS2. BTW, I don't know if you purposely forgot, but I wish you could've talked about the sexualization of Jodie's character, which I find a bit disgusting at times (I remember they made a whole naked model of Elliot Page to use in that shower scene). But I guess is just the staple of David Cage games: bland and sexualized female characters, cool concepts ruined by bad writing. Good vid, I never comment on anything, but I really love your content! 💖

"The math ain't mathing" 🤣🤣🤣

👻, love the way you format your videos.

I saw this video's title and actually blurted out loud, "It was supposed to have a moral?" So, here I am, figuring out what the hell it was supposed to be.

Another awesome review by my favourite RU-vidr 😊

I loved this game, kinda wish they made a sequel but we know thats not going to happen. It has so many flaws but I loved the twist at the end who Aidan (spelling?) was. You can disagree, its just my opinion. I agree it has A LOT of wasted potential.

They should remake this game and fix it. The premise is so good.

I think I really enjoyed the concept. The idea of two souls being attached and stuff was really interesting as a plot point. But everything else fell short.

I remember getting deja vu when watching Life is Strange 2 and I now realize they were from this game. Not sure how I feel about that.

Great video!

you complaining about a spirit of an adult man being naked in the afterlife is the most american thing i've ever heard.

The Only Thing I Like in this game is The Party Chapter

David Cage's games tend to have terrible controls. Omikron: The Nomad Soul and Fahrenheit or Indigo Prophecy had ridiculous button combinations that were brutal to try to pull off.

Great video, you really summarized a lot of my own issues with the game too lol-I'm a actually more fond of it than most people seem to be, but it's one of those "this thing isn't good and I acknowledge it's not very good but I like it anyways" situations Honestly?? I think David Cage just can't write. He's good at coming up with ideas, but he's terrible at the execution, resulting in games that look good and have a good premise but end up pretty mediocre at best. I think Detroit is the best and it's definitely my favorite, but even that still has a million glaring issues and instances of wasted potential. (Unpopular opinion, but my least favorite was Heavy Rain, genuinely put me to sleep at some points-ffs I forgot an entire main character until I watched a playthrough of it like 2 months ago) I especially hate a lot of the romance. You know it's a bad when probably the "best" canon relationship is Ethan and Madison from Heavy Rain who decide to get it on in the middle of trying to find his son and after Ethan almost died for the millionth time. Markus and North were like, the definition of forced (though ironically I didn't actually even hate them that much) but Jodie and Ryan were just straight up toxic from all angles. The guy meets her when she's like, 14? 15? Acts as a bit of a mentor figure for a bit, then when they actually do turn romantic he's just an asshole. It's hard for me to believe that anyone even wanted them together. If we HAD to put Jodie with someone, why not Jay??? I liked him a million times more and he seemed to actually care a bout her and want her to be happy. Damn

It was cool but on replay. Eh, i prefer heavy rain and indigo prophecy and detroit by miles

i still like the game i like any choice based games like detroit and many many more elliot i thought did great as jodie

when i got this game i played it start to finish no breaks beat it in 7 hours

I'll replay heavy rain and Detroit become human before this one but I had a good time when I played it

11:04 maybe he didnt want to use a real country?

one of my fave games

👻👻👻👻 I remember when I first played this game, I was in high school. At the time, I thought it was a great concept and game but as I got older I tried to replay it but quickly figured out how messy it was with the chopped up time lines. Honestly it’s not a game I would go back to because it has no replay value. Although this game isn’t quite as good as I originally thought, you’re video was awesome! Keep up the good work!

You should really be a beta tester for these types of games

Beyond Two Souls is my least favorite David Cage game. I agree with a lot of the points made in the videos. I did actually like the Homeless people and Jay and Corey. Ryan was written really badly. I played this game a few times slowly over 7 years to earn all the trophies.

I have played all 3 David Cage games and I haven't enjoyed a single one. In fact, I only finished them because I kept giving them a chance to get good. Not only are they disjointed story-wise, they're fucking boring. Never could bring myself to go back and try a different ending

David Cage games, deep stories for normies in a hurry.

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I always assumed the message of this game was that nothing you do mattered, as evident by the riveting gameplay element of picking a choice for you if you wait to long

im glad a video about my then favorite game until i realizedit was actually trashh hahhaa it still is a guilty pleasure

the video was going well and then 'Eliot Page' happened, it's certainly not what it says on the game box