The Fairey Battle - Light Bomber, Heavy Losses | Aircraft History #6

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Originally conceived in the early 1930s, by the time the first prototype of the Fairey Battle flew in 1936 it was already becoming obsolete. However, the RAF desperately needed combat aircraft, and so the Battle was put into production. It would go on to fight in the Battle of France, where it would take exceptionally heavy losses due to its slow speed and poor defensive armament. After being retired from front-line duty, the Fairey Battle would go on to becoming a successful training aircraft for the RAF and Commonwealth forces, serving the needs of combat flight schools in Canada, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand.
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@tombartram6842 2 года назад

OK so it's a Hurricane with an extra 1500lb weight, plus 1000 lb bomb load, plus an extra crew member, plus enough fuel to fly 1000 miles. What can possibly go wrong??

@jamesricker3997 2 года назад

I'm on about what a happened if they remove the extra crew members

@tompiper9276 2 года назад

@@jamesricker3997 You cut the casualties by half... That's about all.

@paulabraham2550 2 года назад

Especially true of those at 3:57.

@bostonrailfan2427 2 года назад

you forgot he most important things: less firepower and less armor

@taggartlawfirm 2 года назад

Well, It could have had a turret.

@timwingham8952 2 года назад

Thank you for posting this. Some years ago I had the privilege of working inside Battle L5343 (which is actually also bits of L5340) at the RAF Musuem Hendon. It never ceased to amaze me how bizarrely over engineered some of the airframe was, especially the pointlessly long perspex canopy, and the concealed masterpiece of a rear gun mount that, on the pull of a lever rotated 180 degrees to reveal the puny Vickers Gas Operated weapon. Let's spare a thought for all those Battle crews who knowingly took these woefully inadequate aircraft into combat, and especially LAC Reynolds of 12 Squadron who was Garland and Gray's gunner. They both received VCs. As a lowly LAC he received nothing.

@thesweatleaf 2 года назад

A thought for Reynolds

@richardrichard5409 2 года назад

That was dreadful, typical RAF class structure at work again.

@jimdavis8391 2 года назад

Typical British class structure.

@peterrollinson-lorimer 11 месяцев назад

Respect to those brave lads. My experience has been that over engineering is not uncommon amongst British designs.

@167curly 7 месяцев назад

Presumably the Fairey Battle was about contemporary with the faster and much more effective Bristol Blenheim?

@shogun2215 2 года назад

Despite its questionable effectiveness, its a very pretty aircraft.

@jthomas4361 2 года назад

It looks like a flying limousine

@seriousthree6071 2 года назад

Until it ends up wrecked.

@bondhesh7372 Год назад

it looks like a barracuda but the wings are just placed bellow the fuselage

@asd36f Год назад

The trainer with two separate cockpits was far from pretty!

@tgbuckley482 Год назад

To me it's like a loooong hurricane

@kyle857 2 года назад

Seems similar in performance to the German Stuka, and did about as well in combat when faced with large amounts of quality enemy fighters.

@RexsHangar 2 года назад

Yup. The Stuka was lucky early on because the Luftwaffe had air superiority so it could operate in relative safety.

@ploppysonofploppy6066 2 года назад

I read the the IL2 specs were similar and yet it was a "success". A lot of IL2s were lost however, but kept in production, human life seemed less important to the Soviet air force perhaps?

@Sakura_Matou 2 года назад

Stuka excelled as a CAS aircraft and was an extremly dangerous Dive bomber and even was a threat to ships due to how accurate it was. Like any plane designed for that role, even bombers they were sitting ducks with out air cover. The battle just was not a good plane unlike the Dauntless or Stuka which excelled at their roles.

@KapiteinKrentebol 2 года назад

It seems to me the Fairey Battle was much larger and the IL-2 was better armoured against ground fire and the Stuka was a dive bomber, so it was somewhat less exposed to ground fire. But yeah, planes like these rely heavily on having air superiority over the combatzone.

@maisonraider4593 2 года назад

The Stuka was a dive bomber able to accurate bomb targets and its flight characteristics and range were good. It even proved a well tank busting aircraft later in the war. Just like any bombers though, they were highly vulnerable to fighters without a heavy fighter escort of their own, but they were not in the same league as the battle.

@wisserke 2 года назад

The belgian airforce also operated the Fairey Battle in 1940. There's a surviving example at the army museum in Brussels, but it seems to be under restoration indefinitely.

@frankkeustermans1223 2 года назад

The one in the Brussels museum is not a surviving Belgian machine. None survived the may 1940 campain. It is originaly a UK aircraft, repainted in Belgian colours.

@wisserke 2 года назад

@@frankkeustermans1223 I know, I believe they got it from Canada or something?

@Jerre27 2 года назад

@@wisserke a flight of Fairey Battles crashed 2 km from my house location while en route trying to bomb the bridges over the Meuse river... A lot of history at every house's doorstep. The fairey battle in the museum is indeed a british one, if i'm correct it's not complete and during work some errors where made.

@chibani- 2 года назад

"But it seems to be under restoration undefinitely" How typically Belgian it is

@maddyg3208 2 года назад

My friend's late father was in an attack on a Danish airfield in 1940. All 6 Battles were shot down; only 6 of 18 men survived; his pilot broke his back. He was a POW for 5 years.

@elennapointer701 2 года назад

Excellent video and, considering the grim subject matter, very enjoyable too. As an aside, I've never understood why the Battle wasn't equipped with a propeller spinner. It just looks unfinished without one.

@The-Sea-Dragon-1977 10 месяцев назад

It didn't go fast enough for aerodynamics to matter 🙂

@Charliecomet82 2 года назад

The British version of the Douglas Devastator-a good plane, but kept around for too long...

@Gun_Samurai 2 года назад

You can’t deny however that the Battle is a beautiful machine!

@ploppysonofploppy6066 2 года назад

The old Axiom "if it looks right it is right" didn't quite apply here.

@andrewoliver8930 2 года назад

It's not a pretty plane. No spinner, the cockpit glazing is too big and I don't like the tail. Hey ho, it's all a matter of taste.

@kaletovhangar 2 года назад

Looks somewhat like how Japanese B5N would have looked with linear engine.

@Parocha Год назад

I’d call it “pretty” rather than “beautiful” 😊

@HavocHerseim 7 месяцев назад

denied

@SephirothRyu 2 года назад

The Battle, ironically, was most useful outside of battle.

@iansheppard9736 2 года назад

My father joined the RAF in 1938 and was stationed at Manston when war broke out. He told me they had one Vickers Virginia bomber and some Fairey Battles. He recalled the runway being tarred over as it was thought to be less conspicuous that concrete.

@jamesbugbee6812 2 года назад

Ah, the Virginia! A near-WWI bomber, nearly in WW2; how could the Battle seem obsolescent?

@bluetopguitar1104 2 года назад

An obsolete airplane with a great engine. What a waste. Hurricanes with bombs would have been better.

@simongleaden2864 2 года назад

The Fairey Battle was, I think, one of several pretty hopeless types of aircraft with which the RAF went into the World War. This resulted in the loss of many of the fully-trained, experienced Regular aircrew in the first few months of the war. But they just had to do the best they could with what they'd got.

@buggerall 2 года назад

"Destroyed while still on the ground" Throughout this video a voice inside my head was screaming: "Stop!" Stop using it. Too many casualties already. Those Battle pilots watching their planes burn on the airfield must had felt some relief as they would at least live to fight another day and taking those death traps to the sky would not have changed the outcome one bit. Well except for the pilots being dead...

@bergssprangare 2 года назад

It was a crime to put young pilots in those flying coffins

@timgosling6189 2 года назад

Another good summary, really enjoying these little vignettes! Minor correction: Sgt Letchford, the observer in an 88 Sqn Battle did claim a Bf109 near Aachen during an action on 20 Sep in which the 2 other Battles were shot down. However, examination of German records shows the aircraft survived. Nevertheless, a week later on 27 Sep 39 it was indeed a Battle that claimed the RAF's first actual Luftwaffe kill when a flight of 103 Sqn Battles on a mission to recce the Siegrfied Line was bounced by four 109s. One of the Battles was badly shot up but Radio Op/Gunner LAC Summers returned fire at close range, downing one 109; he was later awarded a DFM. This time the other two Battles escaped. Summers' aircraft was forced to crash land and was written off but he and the pilot were unhurt. The Observer was badly injured in the fight and died of his wounds 10 days later.

@WarblesOnALot 2 года назад

G'day, Back in the 1980s I nursed 2 RAAF pilots who flew Battles, one only in training, here in Oz. The other, name of Mackintosh, was one of the 7 shot down attacking the Albert Canal Bridges. He said his Section Leader chose the Low level approach, along the Canal, and they both got shot down by Ground-Fire, Rifles, Mg-34s & 20mm Flack. The Section Leader went "Splash !", and Mackintosh force-landed, dead-stick, on the Tow-Path beside the Canal & went into the Bag as a POW. He said that the decision to go in low was what saved his life, because the three who went at Medium Altitude (5,000 Ft !) to try Level Bombing and the three who flew "high" (12,000 ft! intending to Glide Bomb in a 30-degree dive, for better accuracy - they all attracted Me-109 & Me-110s from the Standing Patrol CAP over the Bridges..., and 5 of the 6 of them were all "eaten by the Messerschmidts..." I suspect the photo at 0:07:00 may well be Mackintosh's Battle, on the Tow Path...(!). In about 1960 he was knocked off his galloping Horse by a low hanging branch which was slightly above the line of sight imposed by the brim of his Felt Hat, and he became a "Low Quadriplegiac", retaining some use of his Arms. Such is life, Have a good one... Stay safe. ;-p Ciao !

@RexsHangar 2 года назад

Thats fascinating! Did they ever write a book about their experiences?

@WarblesOnALot 2 года назад

@@RexsHangar Not that I know of... I had trained at RGH Concord in Sydney, where I met the bloke who flew Battles in training, among the 2,000 or so Veterans of every Military adventure Oz embarked upon from 1914 to 1984, for an average of 10 days per Veteran. In 1984 I graduated and then started at the Vegetable Creek Hospital at Emmaville, and that's where I met the ex-POW. I think he was the younger brother or cousin of Colin Macintosh, who at the time owned Clarevaulx Station, and the handover Report coming on-shift included the snippet that he had flown in the War of 2 & had had a private Aeroplane (a Chipmunk I think) before falling off his horse. I've always been an autodidactic Aeroplanologist, so I asked him about his Wartime Flying, and bingo..., 1 Squadron - "Leads The Field", the only Squadron which was issued Fairey Foxes back when the Air Ministry were reluctant to give up DH-9s and the like. A rich Sheepfarmer's son who went to Blighty and joined the RAF in time to be Operational in 1939, a survivor of the Phoney War, and Blitzkrieg, who operated Fairey Battles in anger, and survived attempting to bomb the Bridges over the Albert Canal. We had some fairly famous Pilots came from around here, eg Peter Turnbull, 76 Sqadron Leader shot down at Milne Bay - Glen Innes still gets a contingent from the Squadron marching up the Main Street on ANZAC Day and a Jet Flyover at 11 AM to remember him by (!), and Charlie Scherff the Mosquito Pilot who shot down a Heinkel Zwilling and had a price put on his head by Hitler in a Radio Berlin Speech by way of retaliation - he also came home to Emmaville. Civilian life didn't go well for Charlie though, he died in a Sports Car, at speed, drunk, accompanied by somebody else's missus during the 1950s ; his widow ran the Tuckshop at the Glen Innes Primary School when I was there (1966-'72). The after effects of WW-1 & WW-2 were whiplashing through Inland Smalltown Oz for a long time after the shooting stopped. Such is life, Have a good one... Stay safe. ;-p Ciao !

@RexsHangar 2 года назад

Thank you for sharing this! I value all of these small personal stories that people are retelling :)

@WarblesOnALot 2 года назад

@@RexsHangar No worries mate ! Somebody has to try to integrate the whole, and try to make sense of it all. It probably doesn't count as "Scholarship", but one of my 18 Playlists is titled "Personal Aeroplanology..." ; so if you ever feel like checking out something a bit different, there is always that... I started in 1978, working for Neil Cottee at Olde Bowral Airfield, when he had 2 Tiger Moths, a B-model Hornet Moth, a 1946 J-3 Piper Cub, a Warner Scarab Replica Fokker Triplane and a Replica Sopwith Pup with an Armstrong Siddley Gennet Major... Look up, "The 8-Hp, 1975, Red Baron Skycraft Scout ; World's 1st Legal Minimum Aircraft !" to unpack that whole story. The Scout has been hanging from the Ceiling of the Inverell Transport Museum since about 1995. I was the last person to ever fly it, in November 1978...; so when I started posting on YT it was my first Aeroplanology Upload (!). I use Potato-grade Phone-Cameras, edited-in-camera, shot-in-sequence, so it's pretty olde skool style ; but in 2013 Falmouth University in Cornwall sent me a Gold (coloured) Medal for winning the "Low Technology" division of their "Equals Project", an international YT Videomaking Competition..., so my offerings are apparently World-Class Potato-Cam...(!). Enjoy...(!). Have a good one, Stay safe. ;-p Ciao !

@mahna-mahna6408 2 года назад

The Battle was much more a threat to German divisions when she was used at extremely low altitude for surprise attacks, since she was fast and versatile enough, avoiding detection and AA fire, as the Russians did later with the Sturmovik. But British Command didnt extend that experimentation as a new standard and kept the mid-level bombing theories, allowing easy detection for all enemies (AA fire and fighters attacks), with the poor result described in this video. Excellent job, thanks for this !

@dovidell 2 года назад

the IL 2 Sturmovik , even in it's earliest form had armour plating for the pilot AND decent calibre guns/cannons - comparing that ( defence/offense ) to the two .303 's on the "battle " is unfair to the Russians

@jimdavis8391 2 года назад

Exactly, the basic airframe wasn't a problem, an upgrade to a later Merlin, some armour and better defensive armament but above all better tactical use.

@richardrichard5409 2 года назад

Or throw away the airframe and nsil a Hurricane to the engine. .

@ploppysonofploppy6066 2 года назад

Thank you. A shame we don't hear more about aircraft like the Battle. To be sent out and shot at in a state of the art aircraft is bad enough. To have to do so with defective kit? That's courage.

@ploppysonofploppy6066 2 года назад

@@Hartley_Hare And now we have people even older, who think their rights are being infringed by being asked to wear a mask!🤦‍♂️

@IntrospectorGeneral 2 года назад

@@Hartley_Hare The average age of RAF pilots in the Battle of Britain was 20 years. The average age of RAF pilots killed during the Battle ws 22. The average ages may have been a little higher during the Battle of France when the majority of pilots would have been pre-war regulars but it was still a young man's war.

@MrAvant123 2 года назад

What a shameful waste of resources both human and mechanical...

@sigeberhtmercia767 2 года назад

It didn't help survival odds when they flew missions unescorted.

@raypurchase801 2 года назад

The Fairey Battle was almost as bad as the Leprechaun Fistfight and the Pixie Slapper.

@tjsogmc 2 года назад

Love the factory photo of the engine assembly workers with cigarettes hanging out of their mouths. The ashes must have done wonders for the internals of the motors...

@DawnOfTheDead991 2 года назад

The Fairey Battle had the dubious distinction of losing more of their crew members than the enemy personnel they killed in action.

@ursus9104 2 года назад

Nothing wrong with this the fairey battle but they was in need of fighter protection like all other similar light bombers.

@TheDkeeler 2 года назад

If the Blackburn Skua had four forward firing brownings than why couldn't the Battle have two?

@christopher5723 2 года назад

I have a bit of a soft spot for the Battle and its derivatives, but the story of the Battle clearly demonstrates the dangers of accepting an interim solution, all too often you end up stuck with the interim design. However, it is interesting to think how the Battle might be remembered if war had broken out as a result of the Munich Crisis and instead of Me109 Dora and Emiles, Battles over the Western Front were opposed primarily by ME109Bs and HE51s...

@randomobserver8168 2 года назад

The failings and losses of the Battle are so legendary that more than one pop history of the war or of the RAF I must have read in youth decades ago impressed these ideas on my memory pretty well. Here you've given an excellent survey and fleshing out of their story for me. Excellent video.

@haroldgodwinson832 2 года назад

A minor point to note. The term "Bombardier" is inappropriate in the context of the video. There was no such crew position in the wartime RAF. People who aimed bombs from RAF aircraft were referred to as 'Bomb Aimers'.

@michaelevans205 2 года назад

The term was, correctly, 'Air Bomber' - colloquially, as you say, bomb aimer. In 1940 the job did not actually exist and aiming the bombs was the job of the navigator.

@rej1960 2 года назад

Indeed. At the time, “Bombardier” was a rank in artillery regiments…

@tomhaskett5161 2 года назад

@@rej1960 yes, equal to a Corporal

@RedcoatsReturn 2 года назад

Those poor but brave pilots, 50% or more chance to be killed each flight 😔

@bigbreadtime7624 2 года назад

Most Early British light bombers took heavy losses in France but the poor Battle really took the brunt of those losses. Anyway great vid.

@davidpope3943 2 года назад

The Battle did make a couple more positive contributions. The ‘lightweight’ design variant that formed the basis of the very successful Fulmar for the FAA was one that’s well known. Less known is the fact that it’s because of the armour plate behind the pilot in the Battle that back armour became a standard fitment in RAF fighter aircraft in WW2. The Hurricanes of 1 Squadron were part of the ‘Advanced Air Striking Force’ sent out to France. They saw a lot of action and indeed volunteers from 1 Squadron formed the totally overwhelmed escort for the (in)famous Battle strike on the Maas bridges. The Hurricane had armoured glass windscreens but nothing behind the pilot. Back armour had been requested but the Air Ministry refused it, saying the experts at Hawker’s maintained that such armour would adversely affect the plane’s c of g, leading to ‘flying difficulties’. The CO of 1 Squadron, ‘Bull’ Hallahan, located a written-off Battle ~ of which unfortunately there were far too many ~ took the back armour out, had it fitted to a Hurricane & flight tested it. These were successful. Only then did he tell the Air Ministry of what he’d done. The Hurricane & a 1 Squadron pilot, F/O ‘Hilly’ Brown DFC were despatched to RAE Farnborough where it was amply demonstrated that the armour plate did not impact the performance or airworthiness of the Hurricane & soon after this back armour became standard equipment ~ something that doubtless saved many lives.

@raypurchase801 2 года назад

Sometimes one encounters the very best nerds on RU-vid.

@neilturner6749 Год назад

@@raypurchase801 also the Fulmar can hardly be described as “very successful” - it was another oversized/outdated/underpowered aircraft that was produced in far greater numbers (and served for an extended period into the war) than it ought to have simply because it was the best the FAA had at the outbreak of war. In the 30’s the RN refused to believe in the concept of a single seat naval fighter aircraft.

@raypurchase801 Год назад

@@neilturner6749 We're having a nerd-fest here!

@jeffkeith637 Год назад

3:20 Luftwaffe engineers help design Battle prototypes. “Ha ha ve tink you haf no problem vis zis shutz-bang flieger. Ve ferry scared ja.”

@Dr_Jebus 2 года назад

Ahh yes, a single rifle caliber forward mg bolted to the wing? I see someone has been copying the Po2's homework again

@michaelnaisbitt7926 Год назад

It was no fairy and certainly couldn't battle Compare its power and size with its pitiful performance and compare it to the Douglas Dauntless one a complete failure while the Dauntless became a hero of Midway

@geraldperyman6535 2 года назад

My father was shot down in one of these 11 6 1940.Had the scars to prove it.Said it was an easy plane to fly.Had a lot of time for the French.

@leerogers6423 2 года назад

My grandfather was a Battle pilot in France 1940 . When the time came to fall back to England they burned the u/s aircraft and walked to the coast . They commandeered a train at one point , I wonder if anyone else has heard this story?

@geraldperyman6535 2 года назад

Yes,aircraft were set on fire during the retreat but a lot of aircrew lost their lives when the ship(name eludes me)taking them off was sunk.

@annemadison7258 2 года назад

@@geraldperyman6535 Was the ship the RMS Lancastria?

@geraldperyman6535 2 года назад

@@annemadison7258 Yes,one of the worst tragedy's of the war .

@michaelmckinnon7314 2 года назад

The Fairey Battle was just fine for a light bomber and a modified version would have made a fine carrier based bomber, but the lack of any kind of escort made it look worse than it was.

@prowlus 9 месяцев назад

You mean like the fairey Fulmer?

@ProjectFlashlight612 2 года назад

Not bad, just obsolete when it entered combat. Five years earlier, it would have been quite the effective airplane.

@billballbuster7186 2 года назад

Rapidly advancing aviation technology left it too slow and poorly armed for its role. Also the bomb load was pathetic.

@Rorynes 2 года назад

The remaining Greek Fairey Battles were destroyed in ground after the German invasion as Luftwaffe was dominating the skies over Greece.Until then they had significant action with the best moment the air raid in the Argyrokastron(Girokaster) airfield with a dozen of Italian aircraft destroyed in the ground.

@johnholt9399 2 года назад

Reality of Bf 109 with cannon. Very lucky for the Luftwaffe that fighter command were not so equipped in 1940.

@briansteffmagnussen9078 2 года назад

Some of the bad wrap may be caused by it.s appearance It looks somewhat like a fighter but it is a bomber, Sort of a British Stuka.

@campbellbrand8038 2 года назад

Totally out classed and like the Douglas Devastator an unwitting kamikaze.

@88SPIKE 2 года назад

The aircraft at 4:14 look more like hurricanes to me

@mycroft1905 2 года назад

Excellent summary of neglected type. TFP. A minor matter; the RAF and Commonwealth air forces trained and assigned 'bomb aimers' to bomber crews, not bombardiers (USAAC/F).

@michaelevans205 2 года назад

In 1940 the RAF did not use bomb aimers. The trade came into existence as Bomber Command began to equip with four engined 'heavies'. The bombs were, until then, aimed by the navigator.

@mikearmstrong8483 2 года назад

Something to be used in the meantime until something better on the horizon shows up. Land, sea, or air, how many battles have been fought throughout history by weapons meeting that spec? Probably most. If not outright obsolete, it is usually the 2nd line gear carrying the brunt of the fighting.

@Robert-qi6mb Год назад

Australia airforce should have had 1000 of these aircraft to defeat the Japanese.

@SAHBfan 2 года назад

It met the specification, it had no aerodynamic vices, it was pleasant to fly and it did a useful role once removed from front line service. In short, it was a good aircraft - just a poor and obsolete specification. If tiger moths were sent into combat they would have been shot out of the skies, that doesn’t make them bad aircraft. A better example might be the Lysander - it met the specification for an army observation aircraft, but was hopelessly vulnerable to German fighters when deployed in this role. It was therefore a total failure, but very successful in other roles - so not a bad aircraft, but a bad spec…

@wellingtune5607 Год назад

i kinda wanna see his in warthunder now, i think it'd be a decent 1.7 maybe 2.0

@robgraham5697 2 года назад

"You English are crazy! We arrived here on Friday and you gave us the whole weekend to set up our flak positions. Then you try to bomb us." This was said to a surviving Battle crewman by a German flak officer after the Sedan raid. None of the Allies really understood how modern warfare worked at this point in the war.

@billycaspersghost7528 2 года назад

Do you have a reference for that? I would like to read it.

@billycaspersghost7528 2 года назад

@David Rawsthorn Thanks. I see it is out of print but it should be available through Amazon.

@drstrangelove4998 2 года назад

The Battle fared very well in it’s RAF trials, it was thought v manoeuvreable.

@peterlewerin4213 2 года назад

A reminder that the trials procedure basically is just systematic guessing.

@K4rt80y 2 года назад

Always wondered why the Battle never received a spinner for the airscrew.

@charlescarter6146 Год назад

The Battle has the propositions for a good rc flying model. That's why I designed and built one. Flys great and looks good doing so. A fine tribute to an aircraft that faced such opposition but had no other choice. I love the Battle it's a classic.

@andrewwmacfadyen6958 2 года назад

Just a short time later Fairey produced the excellent Firefly which was delayed because the Griffon was put on a back burner.

@timhancock6626 2 года назад

The Battle was obsolete before the outbreak of war, but it was all we had apart from a few equally obsolete Blenheim's. The Air Ministry was adept at issuing specifications that were muddled.

@goojedooje660 2 года назад

My late dad flt bw peryman flew this was shot down 1940 bombing bridges France was pow this was before Dunkirk

@johnkirk7796 2 года назад

Great color footage of the Fairey Battles in Canadian service as trainers in the Jimmy Cagney film Captains of the Clouds.

@garryferrington811 2 года назад

That was a pretty good movie, too.

@Itsjustme-Justme 2 года назад

A major point in the background that lead to the Fairey Battle was the huge success of fast, single engine, twin seat, biplane bombers it was meant to replace. They were easily as fast as the biplane fighters of the period, making them able to operate without fighter escort. The idea was to simply continue with the same concept while switching to a new, faster monoplane with retractable undercarriage. From an early 1930's perspective that made a huge lot of sense. At that time it was almost impossible to predict that the basic design of monoplanes with retractable undercarriage would result in a much larger gain in speed in single seat fighters than it did in twin seat, light bombers.

@rachelar 2 года назад

I remember reading a comic maybe Warlord, that featured a Battle squadron and how the pilot had to make the most of the woeful armament

@gerardwalsh6082 2 года назад

Have to admire the crew who flew these second rate aircraft

@Talltrees84 Год назад

To paraphrase George W. Bush or Donald Rumsfeld. "You go to war with the Army (aircraft) you have." The Russians used older I-153 and I 16.

@jonatanbergkvist9796 2 года назад

Sounds like they lost a lot of battles.

@robertguttman1487 2 года назад

The bottom line on the much-maligned Fairey Battle is that it was based upon a WW-I concept for a single-engined day-bomber. The aircraft was designed as a 1930s equivalent to the De Haviland DH-4 and DH-9A bombers which did very well during WW-I. It was also a product of Fairey Aviation, which had revolutionized the British concept of the single-engine day-bomber during the mid 1920s with their Fairey Fox, a single-engine bomber which was faster than the fighters of the day. The only problem was that the state of the art had moved on since then, and WW-II was not the same as WW-I. As a result, in 1940 the very concept of the fast, single-engine day-bomber was no longer relevant. However, that does not mean that the Battle was a bad aircraft, it merely means that the concept behind it was outmoded. There was nothing at all wrong with the aircraft itself, which went on to make a very significant contribution to the war as a training airplane. In addition, anyone who thinks the Fairey Battle was bad should take a look at the alternative, the Armstrong-Whitworth A.W.29.

@timcargile1562 2 года назад

It's a shame that so many pilots and crew had to 'sacrifice' their lives in this less capable aircraft. Or was it more like 'suicide'? Anyway, thanks for creating and uploading this informative video!

@timsytanker 2 года назад

My uncle was killed flying one in France, I have his photo album from that period. My Nan hated the RAF for the rest of her days for sending her son up in something so useless.

@timcargile1562 2 года назад

@@timsytanker Thanks for sharing.

@flitsertheo 2 года назад

Apparently one of the Belgian Battles when seeing that its bombs were not effective destroying a bridge went "Kamikaze" on that bridge. The (Belgian quality) bridge survived, the Battle not, the crew I don't know.

@somerandomguy___ 2 года назад

Yeah this plane defiantly looks like something you'd see in tier 1 and is as outdated as the swordfish and therefore I'd love to play it Also, I think it'd be a great idea in general if you displayed stats like weight, max speed, range etc. In text as well because that would make things much easier to understand and remember

@RexsHangar 2 года назад

Good suggestion! I'll see if I can work that in to the next videos and see how people like it :)

@vaclav_fejt 2 года назад

It doesn't look defiantly, it doesn't have a turret. :D

@JimmySailor 2 года назад

Seems likely they could have achieved better performance by replacing the first generation Merlins with the XX or other models which produced almost 50% more HP. Probably just not needed in the real world though. A Mosquito could carry 4 times the bomb load and was at least 40% faster.

@djrickyd2 2 года назад

I am wondering, were a few of these aircraft sent to the defense of Hong Kong's defence force??

@finncarlbomholtsrensen1188 2 года назад

It wasn't a fairy and it couldn't battle. A quote from "What were they like to fly"! A book I owned many years ago.

@MichaelKingsfordGray 2 года назад

Curious that you didn't mention the Battle's favoured nick-name: The Widowmaker! There is an example being restored at the Port Adelaide Aviation Museum, South Australia.

@russkinter3000 Год назад

Rex's Hanger did a recent video on the Vultee V-ll. Commentators on that video accurately said it was the U.S. version of the Battle. The Vultee V-ll was a level attack bomber, under powered, no armor and in a later version had three crew men.

@mikepette4422 2 года назад

I've always been very critical of the UK and France's military designs of the 1930's but I need to remember that many of these weapons ( like the Fairey Battle or the Char B Tank) were designs that far exceeded the abilities of the designs they were supposed to replace. Like in the case of the Battle over the Hawker Hart; speed went up by like 40 MPH and the bomb load was almost doubled ! However, it just wasn't enough to double the performance which laughable in the first place.

@caret_shell 2 года назад

This video proves it: "Battle" is a dumb name for a military vehicle.

@95thFoot Год назад

Named for the town of Battle is SE England.

@phatboyroy1973 2 года назад

Hi Rex, very informative video, thanks for posting. My friend is writing a book about the Battle and as a cover wishes to use the still image you have from 12sec to 24 sec on the video. would you know if it is in the public domain, or is it copyright? if it is copyright, would you be good enough to forward the appropriate person to contact. many thanks in anticipation, keep posting the excellent videos. best regards Roy

@brucegibbins3792 2 года назад

I learn quite a bit watching your channel, Rex so many thanks for the considerable time and research effort to bring interested viewers a detailed back story that is easily digested and gives pleasure to those of us who with schoolboy enthusiasm enjoy aviation history yet suffer brain pain if too technical especially when complex mathematical formula's are included.

@randlerobbertson8792 2 года назад

an odd aircraft pretty much obsolete as it went into service.

@BA-gn3qb 2 года назад

I see the problem. They painted the letters and numbers on the bottom of the wing backwards. That causes massive drag.

@stephenpointon 2 года назад

Imagine what a nightmare it would be if it had been equipped with the Rolls-Royce Vulture!

@ALA-uv7jq 2 года назад

Almost as bad as the Lancaster with 50% loss rate.

@zxbzxbzxb1 2 года назад

Yh but not 50% per individual sortie

@tsegulin 7 месяцев назад

I checked out the Fairey Battle at RAF Museum in London last year. I've always though these were a gracefully shaped aircraft, except for the wheels not fully retracting. Like the Ju-87 and aircraft this size carrying a 1000lb bomb was rather a lot for a RR Merlin to pull at a decent speed, although the Jumo 211 in the Stuka had an even worse load. I've never understood why they never added a spinner to the prop. Maybe the performance advantage just wasn't justified, I don't know. I suppose most of the poor old bird's shortcomings are explained by the age of the original specifications, with huge advances in fighter performance having overtaken it since its first flight. Like the Messerschmitt Bf-110 it failed in it's intended role only to find success in a different niche later on. Just illustrates how rapidly military aviation changes on the lead up and especially in the cut and thrust of war. Thanks Rex. I'll be in London in briefly in May. Maybe I could shout you a beer?

@drstevenrey 9 месяцев назад

That Geneva conference. I, as a country would never ever give a hoot what they come up with or not. War is war. Besides, would Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini and company have ever adhered to this silly conference. I don't think so. Just as an example, we, Switzerland, Air Force, 80's and 90's, we had low depletion cluster bombs with 250 butterfly bombs inside onboard our Hawker Hunter Mk.58. So, allowed or not, we defend our territory. Nobody cared weather this stuff was allowed or not. And we were supposed to be neutral.

@hangie65 2 года назад

Excellent video on an aircraft that was way obsolete by the outbreak of hostilities in WWII. Thanks for sharing and keep up the good work!

@GreenHopper62 6 месяцев назад

Thank you for this beautiful video about a plane that I love despite its flaws. As a child I read my father's "Battler Britton" comics and that's when I started to love this plane. In fact, I found it (and still find it) graceful compared to the planes of the time. It looked like a "Hurricane" (my favorite fighter from the Second World War) and a long fuselage. His name also made me dream. (Translated from French by Google translate)

@jamesricker3997 2 года назад

Fairly loved putting unnecessary crew positions in their aircraft

@AD-vm7fb 11 месяцев назад

What the youtuber said about the use of the aircraft on the Greek theater,it's not true.The Fairey Battle,in Greek hands was too useful and hit a big number of enemy targets in Greek and Albanian field.It wasn't the best,but it was ''value for money'' under the service of RHAF (Royal Hellenic Air Force),on the Greek-Italian war...With pleasure

@peterkirgan6850 2 года назад

Why arm it with 1 .303 gun?? Defeats the purpose!!! Only the engine was good!!! Reminds me of my father's car the Morris 1000 !!!! Lol

@fus149hammer5 Месяц назад

It's what happens when you give companies a specification and then tell them the budget per aircraft is a fiver! The thirties were dogged by the attitude of "Don't care if it's good or bad as long as it's cheap." Many young brave men died because of bean counters. That's never changed.

@alessiodecarolis 2 года назад

Pratically it was a modern airframe with an outdated concept/armament, more apt to WWI than WWII, ironically its duties would've been fullfilled, with exceptonal results, by another aircraft, the DH Mosquito!

@garryferrington811 2 года назад

I fail to see the irony. But, yeah.

@167curly 7 месяцев назад

The RAF was fortunate to have the eight gun Hurricanes and Spitfires to decimate the Nazi Luftwaffe, and otherwise had to learn in the school of hard knocks as WW2 progressed.

@edl617 2 года назад

Fariey Battle losses Where due to too much weight (dumping the fuselage fuel tank) and lousy tactics. Level bombing attacks? Really? . Instead of dive bombing or low level attacks where it possibly could have been successful.

@jesperlykkeberg7438 Год назад

Please, don´t blame the splendid Battles for the criminally moronic tactical dispositions of the highly incompetent RAF commanders and the British high command, such as sending Battles out in brought daylight mid air without fighter protection. Look instead to the immense succes achieved during night hours at Taranto with the much older and slower Fairey Swordfish biplanes.

@richardpentelow655 2 года назад

Greg Baughens book covers this in immense detail, particulary the policy issues.

@Antoward Год назад

German mobile flak knocked down whole squadrons of battles trying to blow up bridges to stem the German advance in 1940

@martinwyke 8 месяцев назад

It was under powered for its role. I've never understood why it wasn't fitted with Faries own 2,000 P24 Monarch engine and forward cannons.

@madzen112 2 года назад

Oh to be a British Fairey pilot in 1940. Watching the German pilots. In their accurate machines. Take Paris.

@stevenborham1584 2 года назад

Would have created some exasperated expressions reporting to your superior "Sir... We lost 200 battles today..Sir".

@madzen112 2 года назад

Let's just say the Typhoon definitely was an improvement

@lordcypher7922 Год назад

Good when it entered service but the 30s and 40s was a fast paced time for aircraft technology and so planes became obsolete so quickly

@garyhooper1820 2 года назад

Send bombers on one way missions. Is this where Japan got the idea ?

@tompiper9276 2 года назад

I suppose it doubles the range.... Only once though.

@David77646 Год назад

My understanding is they did ok in Africa against the Italians from June to December 1940

@drstevenrey Год назад

Is that just me, or were these early Merlin engines a lot smaller than the later versions in Spitfires, Hurricanes and Mustangs. I don't see that the Battle was massively bigger and the nose seems very tiny to house the Merlin. And sadly it was, at the time it had to fight, way too slow.