The Fall of Kyogre 

Koraidon: I won’t let him win Groudon: I won’t let him win Rayquaza: I won’t let him win Gastrodon: I won’t let him win Dialga: I won’t let him win Kyogre: Nah I think I’ll win

this video has aged poorly. kyogre has already won a tournament in the future.

Big words from someone in water spout range

Counterpoint: The electric and water types will love it as a teammate, and terapagos sucks.

Kyogre hasn’t fallen off and never ever will

I feel like it's more likely that Miraidon will be an amazing partner for Kyogre rather than an adversary. Rain and Hadron Engine seems like a devastating combo. Miraidon is the same speed as koraidon and is more poised to threaten it with tera. Both kyogre and Miraidon also get stronger Thunders for each other (although miraidon might not be required to run it since electro drift is a thing). Pair that with tornadus and you have a terrifying team archetype in front of you

Kyogre's gonna Nah, I'd Win, just you wait

It’s not Kyogre. It’s never Kyogre.

Disrespecting the GOAT of restricted VGC is a bad move Big ogre gon adapt

Kyogre in a fishbowl is actually pretty cute. I would raise it as a pet

Tbh Kyogre with tera-water water spout does sound like a delete bottom and quite good

Miraidon is basically the new Kyogre in singles, but I don't think it has a strong spread move. They could work _together_ and spam Thunder. But yeah Kyogre will likely adapt.

This generation sun has really good abusers,especially paradox mons who are ridiculously good without the sun Rain abusers will struggle a lot if their preferred weather isn't in their control Meanwhile in the case of sun abusers(past paradox mons) they will do well regardless of which weather is active Positioning will be extremely hard for rain teams

Heres the thing about ogre being countered by koraidon. Bro has a weakness to kyogre's favorite buddy tornadus and its favorite move is a spread move with 100 accuracy in rain. Ogerpon also has that weakness plus kyogre always has the option for tera electric thunders against ogerpon wellspring.

fyi you can always use Neutralizing Gas Weezing AFTER Kyogre enters the battle so that you can hit Water Absorb/Storm Drain 'mons. My theorycrafting is actually using Weezing+Ninetails backup both to counter Ogerpon and set up a secondary specs Blizzard mode. Also, Tera Grass Kyogre. That is all.

Now Kyogre knows how Mewtwo fans feel

Awesome video loved the editing

Primal Kyogre is the reason I ran a life orb physical Thundurus back in VGC16. 💀 Also Rillaboom during SwSh days. Kyogre is a pain in the ass.

This is feeling like when everyone said incineroar was going to fall off. Yes there are a lot of new options, but at the same time, kyogre is going to do what kyogre does. It may take some time for it to find its place, but I’m sure it’ll definitely have one. Keep in mind that rain teams have been using PELIPPER for rain to somewhat solid success. I’m interested to see where kyogre goes from here. I know I’m not excited to see things like Tera water mystic water helping hand kyogre 1 shot raging bolt or using a defensive Tera grass calm mind kyogre to beat your otherwise bad matchups (wellspring, raging bolt, rillaboom, etc.). I’m very excited to see where this goes. Plus I think ogrepon is going to be a great partner to team with kyogre and make it that much more of a headache to deal with

With Groudon, Kyogre, Rayquaza, Koraidon, Miraidon, Torkoal, Pelliper, (maybe) Paradox mons, etc. theres a chance that this gen might become a Weather/Terrain war for a bunch of the restricted format battles. Could be cool to see.👀

All I'm gonna say rain + choice specs + tera water is a terrifying thought

yeah... you are overseeing a lot of potential partners that Kyogre has in hand like Alolan Ninetales, Raichu, Raging Bolt, Incineroar, Rillaboom... and if they return, Tapu Lele and Tapu Fini

did i just hear OBAMA-snow? 😭

it's not gonna be as dominant as it was in past gens but it's still going to be an elite pokemon in the restricted format imo

There is a reason this thing was a king in Ubers of past. But a king must give up his throne someday.

something that most people dont know and that would nerf kyogre too is that miraidon and koraidon both get a 50% stat boost to their best offense in under their respective weather/terrain

"WHAT ARE YE DOIN' IN MAI SEA?!?!" -Ky, The Ogre

Reg G rules are live. 1 restricted legendary only. It's all Kyogre now.

i noticed one error around 4:15. steel has 3 weaknesses assuming pure steel and abilities for immunity it ground, fighting and fire.

man, I was having some of these thoughts but thought, nah maybe im just being a prisoner of the prediction. I feel convinced and vindicated after this lol

thanks for telling me how to make my kyogre OP!!

electro shot archaludon goes crazy

I used scarf kyogre in vgc 16 (while everyone used primal lol) To get second place at the ecc Arnhem regionals. I combined scarf kyogre with talon for Flying and Fire coverage and having also tw additionally with quick guard to counter priority moves. I think kyogre has a harder time now but there will be definitely teams with certain counterplay To remove the biggest problems for kyogre allowing it to sweep like I did in the past with talonflame

I think its still gona be good, but its probably going to be its weakest year. A lot of the common pokeomn now will probably have their viability changed in some way. Can raging bolt continue to be good when a good half of the viable restricted pokemon threaten it with stab super effective damage? Will ogerpon-w be as good when more viable pokemon speed past it and the powerful legendaries can make its bulk less useul for redirection? Maybe they can, maybe they can't, we'll only know when the time comes (also, i feel its interesting that the new legendaries pokemon benefit sun a lot more, chi-yu really doesn't like being in rain but loves the sun, any protosynthesis mon like flutter mane and also stuff like ogerpon-h becoming absolute monsters in sun )

My guess is that kyogre is weaker than it’s been previously, but you might be overselling how much it’s going to fall off. Drizzle is an incredibly strong ability, thunder and ice beam hit a lot of these potential counters super effectively (imo they are bad matchups but it’s far from a free switch in), and kyogre is still going to have a lot of good matchups too. Kyogre could probably also use Terra to get around some of its checks, or just terra water to do even more damage with its stab. It might become more niche than it used to be, but I don’t see it falling out completely. It’s still kyogre, and I just can’t see a way this monster falls in to obscurity. Maybe I’m wrong though, crazier things have happened before in competitive.

I can see when mega come back. The origin forms will come back as well maybe in generation 10 he’ll be good again if they have Megas in that with legends ZA

If Gen 5 was the rain Generation, then Gen 9 is the sunshine Generation.

Kyogre is one of those legendaries that I will never mind being meta.

You made this whole video just for Kyogre to tera electric...

There’s no way many people are dedicating a restricted spot to Kyogre when Miraidon exists

I've seen some speculation of a Blizzard Kyogre being supported by A.Ninetails, I think Kyogre may need to rely on other strengths to excel, but it's not the end of it yet

Great quality video

As kyogre being my favorite pokemon i can surely say i dont think kyogre will fall of

Is talking about raging bolt resisting water spout and bleakwind/hurricane (and thunder) Ice beam: Allow me to introduce myself

It always felt wrong to me, that the best dedicated special wall, just get straight up destroyed by Kyogre, yes, i'm talking about Blissey.

try kyogre with grass terra …. And tailwind team stuff you Will be suprized how stronk it is vs all those 6 mons

The Thumbnail was so self-explanatory.

Weather and Terrain Doesn't affect each other. I wouldn't be surprised to see koraidon and miraidon + the other pokemon from this video on the same team. Then it's all over for Kyogre

gamefreak whatever you do, do not massacre my boy

Skraw : kyogre is in a downward spiral Kyogre: nah id win (Never bet against big fish - world champ difference wolfey)

You forgot to mention that koraidon and miridon also get powered up by there own abilities

Me: Screw it, I’m using a Kyogre + Archaludon core for a rain team once Kyogre’s legal

I mean, yeah there's more counterplay to Kyogre now, but it is still the only pokemon that can throw spread nukes by itself and without any setup. Expanding Force needs psychic terrain, goldengo and terapagos need a previous boost, Kyogre can just enter and hit the nuke button, so you can use the other slot to counter the counters to the but fish, follow me against priority, lightning rod for those electric types, or just any form of speed control to combat the opponent's, same as with urchufu, even if there's hyper specific counter is still valuable as just a nuke button

thunderclap doesn't work with psych terrain so maybe more indeedee

At least in 6v6 singles (idk too much about double singles on top) kyogre is still really good Pokémon. Teammates like basculegeon or archaludon or any steel type really appreciate rain. And a nuke is still a nuke it just takes more brain power to use kyogre now and you have to click more than just waterspout.

Valid assumptions we'll have to see if kyogre's gameplan is able to adapt and not rely on water spout anymore. Kyogre can totally be a threatening pokemon without needing water spout.

funny how something with "Sire" in it's name has historically checked Kyogre

I agree with kyogre getting nerfed hard this gen. Though i think it will still have a place on balance teams with perhaps a calm mind set and propper support.

Age like Costco bread.

I love round fish.

Kyogre will be back in Z-A lol, with a VENGEANCE.

it’s so kyogover

Tera ice sheer cold kyogre lets go!

I agree with the comment section. Kyogre wont be used because of its power. Rather because of its weather setting abilities plus its powers. Sure koraidon can counter it, but it can also inhibit koraidon. Pelipper might have a nieche as a tailwind wide guard user. But all in all kyogre will likely be the better choice.

Btw Assault vest Kyogre is so insanely bulky, thunderclap doesn’t even make a dent. Yeah it dies to Miraidon but other than that you need something crazy. Like a choice specs terrain boosted rising voltage from Raging Bolt. But anyway - l cant wait to play against Tornogre, will absolutely destroy it with my plans 😏

I think what this video ignores is that Kyogre didn't just get a lot of new checks to it, it also gained a whole lot of great partner Pokemon. I have no clue how this will turn out, it will be very interesting to see, but I wouldn't count out Kyogre just yet.

I find it interesting to hear that Koraidon will beat out kyogre. And there is an argument there. But the format is also hostile to Koraidon with Flutter Mane. Opposing flutters will have the potential for speed boost under sun. You can Fire, Poison, or Steel tera, but then you are more vulnerable to Kyogre. I could be wrong, but I don't think that there is a type that resists both fairy and Water. Also I think Waterpon solves the spouting problem, but it doesn't solve the Torn problem. Since it is part grass, there and Bleakwind is a guarantee hit in rain, that is still a super effective move. He can tera to remove the grass type sure, but then Waterpon will lose the ability to absorb the spouts. I agree that the environment is more hostile to Kyogre, but I will argue that Kyogre is more fair than broken as he once was.

Don’t have enough time to watch it rn but I’ll like it just for that silly thumbnail

Torn ogre is still gonna 100% be good. At most it would make choice kyogre less viable cuz of thunderclap and the dragon bikes. Tera grass kyogre would make it a harder to remove via ogerpon and it would probably need to Tera so it doesn’t tank a 100% accurate bleak wind storm and if it does Tera then kyogre could use thunder to hit it super effectively. Raging bolt is also an amazing partner to kyogre since it beats bundle, resists ogerpon, and can Tera fairy infront of koraidon which also doesn’t really wanna tank a bleak wind storm. Miraidon is still a massive threat for torn ogre and it probably will affect its viability and usage, but I think it’ll still be alright if the right kyogre team comes out and handles miraidon.

I think Kyogre will be dominant again in this format. It will be a great counter to shut down potential Koraidon sun teams, and I think it will pair well with Miraidon, too.

I thought kyogre with tera water or any other type with rain would be powerful 🤣

Iron leaves: super effective on kyogre,groudon, koraidon Resist kyogre,groudon,koraidon Tera allow it to resist and sword dance to been even more dangerous (tera fire resist calyrex ice and flutter to one shot,tera fairy for all the dragon ubers)

You have underestimated the whale... rookie mistake my man

there this Pokémon that can setup sun and is a dragon type and another dragon who setup Electric terrain, Is super fast and boost itself yeah, those two would be a problem so would you lose Kyogre Sempai? nah, *i'd WIN*

ITS KYOVER!!!

Many of Kyorge's supposed checks are weak to Iron Bundle s Freeze Dry.

No way did you call kyogre a super ancient pokemon💀 I know its been called that before in the games but still. Call him 'beeg feesh' and leave it at that. But great vid!😃

dies anyone know when will start the world cup of vcg with all the legendary pokemon allowed?

It bothers me that attacks now feel smaller, can anyone else relate?

GOOD ANIMALS

so what next fall of groudon

this video will not age well tornogre in a tera format and dynamic speed is insane

Well this aged poorly

Alays bodied by Sheninja.

It's so kyover

You didnt even mention shedinja, who counters both kyogre and xerneas

You terastalize into grass and you can use other moves other than water spout

Im gonna politely disagree on Raging Bolt being a common answer. Not cause it cant beat it of course, but I doubt you'll see Raging Bolt as often as Regulation F. Its going to be in a meta game that is both feirce for dragon type competition (both Raidons, Rayquaza, Gouging Fire) and one where Flutter Mane is in the sun much more often. So you'll see it less on Koraidon sun and more Groudon / Zacian. It also wont pair with Kyogre well as besides Wellspring... it also has a tough time with these counters.

Obamasnow isn't real, it can't hurt Kyogre

It's Kyover...

Archaludon would like to know your location I could have a list of reasons but that’s less funny

252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera Ground Kyogre Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Raging Bolt: 108-128 (46.5 - 55.1%) -- 67.2% chance to 2HKO "ohh what about thunderclap?!?!" Do Teras not exist anymore? Tera Ground and RIP Raging Bolt and Miraidon, that calc above is the **absolute** worst case scenario as nobody would run a 252 HP 252 Sp. Def Assault Vest Raging Bolt but that still gets 2 shotted while only being able to do 30% to Kyogre with Dragon Pulse. Ogerpon IMO is the real issue but that just means Kyogre might need to be used with 2 braincells instead of 0 aka using protect sometimes and having partner pokemon that can deal with Ogerpon quickly btw I'm not a fan of Kyogre, I truly believe that it together with Zacian Crowned and a few others were legendaries made to the absolute extreme and should be banned from VGC because any format they are in eventually warps itself around them. I just want to stress how absurdly OP Kyogre is.

Obama-snow? 😄

Kyogre+Archaludon

I built a Kyogre team. I did it. Uhhhhh. I think it’s pretty good… 252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera Water Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0+ SpD Zamazenta-Crowned in Rain: 458-540 (118 - 139.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera Water Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Koraidon in Rain: 336-396 (98.5 - 116.1%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO 252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera Water Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Terapagos-Stellar in Rain: 618-728 (134 - 157.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO I kinda want to find a way to work helping hand onto my team to make it even more disgusting. But between torn-t support with tailwind/rain dance, as well as a trick room setter I can pretty much always ensure Kyogre’s moving first and make sure rain stays up almost all the time. So um yeah I think Kyogre’s still pretty good…

It's Kyover

You are missing Storm Drain Tatsugiri in your list, it's a legit water type check, and great support arsenal with chilling water, icy wind and burst damage in Draco meteor

i think sun is betta bc of paradox mons

I still think groudoun will be more popular than Koraidon just because of fluttermane.

Let's see if Tatsugiri can replace Gastrodon