The Fallout Show is an INSULT to the Games | EFAP Highlight 

"Shady Sands was always rocky, always on the brink." They had paved roads and running water. They had trade routes with every other community in California. The main issue with the NCR in New Vegas was their need to expand so that their territory could contain their infrastructure, while they were expanding north, south, and east. They were undeniably a relative superpower. They were an actual nation state.

Jim Sterling once again showing himself to be massively out of touch (emphasis on the massive)

I feel like one thing everyone misses in this conversation is that the NCR is basically Fallout’s equivalent to the New Republic in Star Wars, except actually worse. The New Republic is Luke, Han and Leia’s legacy, and Star Wars fans were understandably pissed when everything they accomplished was undone in TFA. The same is true in Fallout except YOU are Luke, the NCR was founded at the end of Fallout 1 as a direct result of the Player’s actions, but unlike the New Republic which doesn’t get elaborated on or explored we see the NCR grow, in Fallout 2 Shady Sands has a statue of the first game’s player character right in the center of the city and the Republic has a confirmed population of 700k, new buildings are going up, pre-war cars are being repaired, and new roads are being paved. By New Vegas they’ve annexed more cities and have had another 40 years of growth, it’s safe to say the NCR has a total of 1million citizens by that point, it’s existed for 100 years and has the following settlements under its control: Shady Sands itself, Boneyard which is home to the Followers of the Apocalypse University, Junktown and The Hub which are the two other founding members, Necropolis and Dayglow which are two entire Ghoul cities, Vault City and Arroyo which are GECK paradises, as well as Gecko, San Fran, San Diego, Redding, and New Reno And then this damn show comes in, it plops Shady Sands where Boneyard should be, off-screens it, acts like the several other cities within the NCR don’t even exist, and writes off the entire NCR as “it didn’t work out.” Even just the idea that Shady Sands itself only had 35k residents is laughable, but what this show does is a slap in the face to the fans.

What I find massively dishonest here is Jim claiming that fans are upset because they don't want the writers to develop a story and want everything to stay as it is. When the number one criticism of Bethesda has been that they don't let the setting grow and develop, but always reset everything back to start. The nuking of Shady Sands is not bad, because it changes the NCR, it is bad because it erases the NCR, as if it never happened.

Personally I believe the reason why shows like Fallout get praises isn't just key jangling references towards the games. I think its simply the fact that people's standards for good media have eroded due to the abundances of slop that is being released throughout the years. So when we see something that is somewhat good/average at best we praise it and put it on a high pedestal which last for a couple of months or years until people look back criticize the piece of media of not being up to par on how people viewed it upon release (good example of this and the show would be the Force Awakens). Some shows will be looked back and will age like either fine wine or milk. The fallout TV show with all the praises it has received over the past couple of weeks will age like milk over the coming months or years when people look back in retrospective.

Fallout, Fallout 2, Fallout Tactics, and Fallout New Vegas all showed progressively more and more society as time went on. It was done really well. Bethesda can't write for shit. Edit: Whatever your opinions on the canon status of Tactics, I believe the world building in it to be interesting. It's cool to see a branch of the Brotherhood building themselves up to protect their neighbours. Obviously, they aren't purely altruistic: they take the best and turn them into soldiers for the Brotherhood. But I believe that it is the most development we have ever seen the Brotherhood have, and it is my favourite rendition of that faction.

Benny didn't actually shoot the courier. The doc implanted that memory after the courier watched the Fallout show to spare him the pain.

Thanks Wolf for this highlight. I really am disappointed on what Sterling and everyone is telling about this show. We should strive for better continuity and adaptation. I miss this...

And this is why EFAP is necessary. The amount of blind praise and reactions need to be countered by digested and thorough breakdowns which EFAP for years now has continued to provide. These folks here and across the community of creators are contributing to any semblance of change in quality of media. It’s working. Or Nerdotic and Critical Drinker wouldn’t be seeing their success for that matter. HAIL. Cheers!

Here lies Mr. House's character. Turned into a cartoonishly evil capitalist. May it rest in peace.

"You just don't like things to change, which is why you're mad they reset the progress and resolidified the post-apocalyptic status quo to square 1!" -a half decayed spongiform brain

Now we all know what Private Kowalski felt like, to witness something you respect so deeply be desecrated.

God, Jim really is the embodiment of “Fans like this? Well actually I DONT like this, take that!” So annoying.

Jim walked into this assuming everyone is just a bunch of ists and phobes, like a TLJ defender from 2017.

All the praise I have heard for this show ends up breaking down to like 30% cool aesthetics, 20% the ghoul's campy cowboy schtick, and 50% incomprehensibly agreeing with the politics of the "win capitalism via nuclear holocaust" scene. I swear if just that one scene was missing this show would be getting panned way harder and deservedly so.

They had a bobble head so being 500 miles off for the most important city in the entire franchise is trivial. /Peak Kappa

Fallout new vegas did wonders for the Universe both in gameplay and lore. How the fuck is this shit show the same?

This is peak cognitive dissonance. Jim says this is pushing the story forward when the showrunners quite literally designed this show to go backwards. On top of that, every faction in California has been replaced with Bethesda factions like Vault-Tec and the Brotherhood of Steel. He's only defending this show because he agrees that Capitalism is evil.

I think the blood rituals thing was because if you’re including modern day California sh*t you can’t forget the blood rituals…

The NCR being in pieces isn't the worst direction to take the series; but the way it was done makes it obvious that that it was a decision made not because the writers are interested in exploring the story of the NCR, but rather specifically because they never want to have to care about any of it ever again.

Vault-Tec being evil cartoon villains is already a Bethesda retcon. The idea that they would be carrying out experiments in their vaults after nuclear holocaust was already a little outlandish and cartoonish, but this show just takes it 100x further and makes them self destructively evil. Also, Shady Sands was built from a vault and its G.E.C.K. (Garden of Eden Creation Kit), the idea that it’s a little backwater village 100 years after its founding is laughable. The G.E.C.K. was meant to be able to provide everything the vault dwellers need to rebuild a society. It is the _capital_ of the New California Republic, which had dominion over several states and are shown in New Vegas to actually be the new incarnation of the United States. They are expanding and people ‘back home’ in California have safety and security comparable to pre war levels during the events of New Vegas. They have a government, their own currency, and a standing army. That’s why New Vegas is widely regarded as set in a POST-post-apocalypse and why it’s so unique. It’s been over 200 years, society is actively rebuilding. There are obviously issues that come with trying to rebuild in a nuclear apocalypse, and that’s the entire point of the games. This show is a joke. I can see how non-Fallout fans can enjoy it, it seems like an interesting premise, but I can’t see anyone who is actually a fan of the games enjoying this nostalgia baiting bs.

Most people's standards have dropped considerably in the past decade. If they would've made this show in 2014, reception wouldve been poor. Years of being subjected to slop has taken its toll

Unironically this video is making me mad rewatching it because this guys opinions fucking suck. When he said especially "The NCR solve all of their problems with violence" makes it clear he played like new vegas with one side of his brain turned off and none of the other games.

the stuff like radiation makes me think of "lazy" dnd rules, where the DM allows the players infinite arrows and spell reagents and everyone has darkvision and infinite food and water simply because tracking that stuff is busywork that no one really wants to have to keep constantly being aware of. Or even just like in most games where your character doesnt need to take a dump or, in a lot of games, need to sleep. Meanwhile they tied ghouls to needing manjuice to not go feral as a plotpoint

Shady Sands wasn't the closest to thriving, it WAS thriving. It was a new nation heading towards the peak of its power and influence. NCR is the new United States in Fallout, so even bombing the capital wouldn't have wiped it out entirely. Hell, the Legion TRIED something like that before, with Camp Searchlight, setting off a heavily irradiating bomb inside of the town to take it away as a resource and strong point for the NCR. NCR wouldn't even lose all of its political influence if the capital was bombed, they have ambassadors and other representatives in other regions who would be the next in the chain of command. I mean, where's Dennis Crocker? What about the Vice President, they had Frank Carlson in Fallout 2, so someone must be in that role. The NCR wouldn't be gone, they'd be rallying after an attack like that, and by the time Lucy got out, they'd have bolstered their military forces to defend against another surprise attack, I mean, look at what happened in real life after the attacks in New York and the Pentagon. There's just a massive misunderstanding of what the NCR is, it's not small, it's not disorganized and despite being spread out too much in the Mojave, at its core it isn't weak. Also, most of these non-points break down to one basic idea that was dumb when it was made for Star Wars, dumb when it was made for Star Trek, dumb when it was made for Doctor Who and Terminator, but for some reason they keep going back to it as some kind of defense for this crap writing and inconsistency. "Do you want lore accurate or a good story", as though you cannot have BOTH, it must be one or the other. It was a bad argument the first time, it's still a bad argument now. You can have a good story that is ALSO consistent with the lore and it shouldn't - be - that - hard. The problem always boils down to, you want what YOU want and that's all the matters. It's selfish writing and doesn't have any regard for the audience, especially if that audience are fans of the IP previous to your involvement in it. Stop being selfish assholes, get some talent and write a story that's good and consistent with what's established in the IP. This isn't difficult, novelists have done this for years with popular franchises.

>The NCR's answer to most problems is violence They're the most liberal democracy in the wasteland, at least on the West Coast. They usually try to make deals with local tribes and powers rather than destroy them. They're not non-violent obviously, and they do also have instances like Bitter Springs and their war with the Brotherhood where they took the violent option, but other than a few exceptions like Mr. House the other major factions have no restraint on using violence (e.g. Caesar's Legion, The Master, The Enclave) or like the Brotherhood is entirely self-interested and doesn't care about actually trying to create a general society.

42:21 - “what’s Jim’s relationship with his Dad like?” • you know the answer to that…

Its clearly a cop-out. Didnt want to have to read the history of the show to write the characters that would inhabit Shady Sands

People actually recognizing how bad the show is instead of blindly praising Bethesda is the only thing that brings joy to my life. Also, new update broke fallout 4. Ffs, Todd…

Jim repeating the same schtick as always: Bad thing good and good thing bad. Fans are tweeting, now I'm mad. I'm not mad. YOU'RE mad! Feel bad for caring about things that I don't!

A big vat of FEV juice except the FEV virus is Marvel cringe writing and every property you ever liked eventually gets dipped into it. The intelligence takes a nosedive too so its doubly accurate

37:50 Approx Sterling - "Violence was its answer to most problems" Did - did Sterling forget Fallout is literally *post-APOCALYPTIC?!* Even 200+ years there are still cannibals, raiders, tribals, etc etc Yeah, violence is kinda necessary!!!

As I recall, the out-of-universe reason that Shady Sands was nuked and the NCR fell apart, is because they wanted it to be wild west like.

I'm only peripherally aware of Fallout lore and even I was frustrated they decided to break existing canon instead of having the show take place in Seattle or Chicago or Houston or New York or Atlanta.

"The moment Deadwood has insurance or cars it's no longer Deadwood." Yeah, remember how Red Dead Redemption 2 sucked, and its themes of the encroachment of civilization and its trappings on the wilderness, the expansion of society, how it was boring and everybody hated it, and everybody wanted Saint Denis removed from the game because it wasn't cowboy pew-pew? I don't.

This show hates Fallout and it hates me for playing it way more than I could ever hope to hate this show. The show was made purely from bitterness and spite.

22:10 How about Fallout Detroit? It is already shaping up into a pre-apocalypse as it is so they won't have to worry about changing things too much.

So by the time the battle of Hoover Damn was taking place the NCR had at least the Hub, New Reno, the Bone Yard, Vault City, and even parts of San Francisco under it's control. It had rebuilt infrastructure had a population of over 3 million people. It's army had infantry, artillery, tanks, and vertibirds under it's control and was allied with or absorbed the smaller factions in its immediate area. It kicked the Brother Hood out and secured trade lines through all its major trading hubs. This show just makes it look completely desimated. Also if the Legion still exist in this timeline they would have taken over all of the NCR territory once it collapsed.

1:02:52 "The person you need to hate is this asshole" It's very 1984. Hate who we tell you to hate, don't make up your own mind about the events.

It really is funny that Jim-Jam's video is only made because the show dumbed down Fallout to, "Der... Capitalism bad! Duh...." As if that isn't the most reductive, and predictable thing they could've done. So now he has to defend the show and Bethesda because they parrot what he parrots. Kind of funny itself, even the Bethesda games were more about moving on and improving the Wasteland than the show. 3's entire plot hinged on creating clean water en masse, while a "big" selling point of 4 was being able to create your own settlements. Not to mention New Vegas blows Jimmy's concept of attacking this beacon of hope out of the water with the fact that it does critique it. New Vegas is all about showing how the NCR became just as corrupt and inefficient as its post-war counterparts. It was far from perfect, but certainly better than alternatives.

To the people that defend the show... if a multi billion dollar company producing a multi million dollar project cant even at the lowest bar be bothered to check the Wikipedia to keep the dates correct in there adaptation but still call it cannon... your a consumer and most likely a tourist and nothing more...

The shows basically ruin the lore of the games, yeah, that’s a pass from me. And the stinger with a dark New Vegas shows they’re probably going to ruin it more.

ypu guys are late to the party, bethesda has been being disrespectful to the series for a long time

I find these arguments about shady Sands nuking completely pointless. Open Fallout 1 map. Look at where's Shady Sands and where's Boneyard(Los Angeles). Show rewrote and made a bunch of stuff up. It's pretty simple explanation.

One thing that always bothers me in the Bethesda fallout games is that 200 years after the bomb, in areas that have been (sparsely) inhabited for a long time - you can still find abandoned prewar packaged food scattered around in plain sight. This is the FIRST stuff that any survivors would strip out of a location.

I dont know why it was so shocking to us all that the people who basically said "Fuck it, all the endings are canon! ESPECIALLY the ones that contradict each other!" For the elder scrolls are so terrible when it comes to story ideas, but i guess hindsight is 20/20

I'm so glad to find people who aren't happily slurping that garbage up while singing empty praises.

First Elden Ring, now this. Wtf happened to Jim?

“We won’t be beholden to something written 20 years ago.” - Not something Peter Jackson said about one of the best screen adaptations ever made

We are all over thinking this: Amazon and Beth just don't care. If it "doesn't make sense", it is because they don't care.

Whatever you do, keep the show runners for the Fallout program far away from disaster relief efforts or else it will be impossible to rebuild one's devastated community following a storm or earthquake.

This show has made me play the ncr path in solidarity in new vegas for the first time in years

I keep hearing Shady Sam’s and wondering how he got to earth from Tamriel?

Let's be honest, the real reason they nuked Shady Sands in the series Bethesda doesn't want to allow the world to grow and evolve because if it does it loses its post apocalyptic aesthetic. For example Bethesda has created three main line Series games Fallout 4 is the last one in the timeline set 200 years after the bombs dropped and get no civilization on the East Coast had even begun. On the other hand when interplay Made their first game. Vault 13 opened 70 years after the bombs dropped. And Shady Sands already existed by the time you go out into the Wasteland.

Imagine a Lord of the Rings sequel, and it begins with some middle manager Orc nuking the Shire. That sounds a little spiteful on the part of the writers.

Thing is, they could’ve avoided pissing off fallout fans and creating a new story if they just set it in either the Midwest or Southeast. I, a Georgia native, would’ve liked to see the post-apocalyptic South. Imagine Atlanta, or even further south to Savannah and Augusta, or further into Florida and it’s swamplands

The Destruction of Shady Sands is like the destruction of Vulcan.

Bethesda Fallout fans S- 2 P- 1 E- 9 C- 6 I- 2 A- 10 L- 10 Original Fallout fans S- 9 P- 10 E- 3 C- 7 I- 8 A- 2 L- 1

The sad truth is that most people don't actually care about adaptations actually adapting content. To your casual fan or normie, they just watch the show to scratch that itch, if it's funny or action packed and the plot is decent enough to carry it to the end, they'll eat it up. These adaptations aren't made for fans of the product, they're sprinkled in with enough references to make people Leo Decaprio point at the screen a few times but they're ultimately made for the Modern Audience. If it's funny enough, written decent enough or the actions fun to watch, then it becomes popular and all the bastardization of the characters/plot/setting doesn't matter because it wasn't made for you. And worse if the show is actually fairly well made, it means that it falls even more on deaf ears, like Arcane's massive changes to lore and characters that people gloss over because the show is good. Netflix Castelvania managed to hook enough people until the feces piled up to much that the smell was noticeable in the later seasons. Then they made the even more bastardized version of Nocturne where they race swapped an important character just to insert "muh slavery" storyline which means that the raceswapped character isn't even the same character anymore. The general populace aka the normies are the biggest threat to any property because their wallets speak louder than your voice.

58:14 Emil Pagliarulo must be sweating nervously.

Hearing this is giving me "Last Jedi" and "Glass Onion" vibes Like, yes it's bad, that's why it's good. But also is isn't bad actually and you're a terrible person if you think so! Time is a flat circle

It's not that hard to understand. Bethesda and Todd especially are still salty the fan favorite is a game they didn't make so they shifted the lore to have universe in which only their creations are canon going forward. Vince McMahon was the same with WWE, if he didn't make you as a star they either acted like you'd never done anything in your career or actively tried to destroy your legacy.

I'm convinced sterling only likes the show out of spite of Bethesda.

Jim must have only played the NCR campaign in fallout. References to the NCR being stretched thin are about them deploying soldiers across the wasteland to colonize. Their war against the Legion and claiming New Vegas was basically their Afghanistan. In the Mr House ending, Mr House brings asks the player to stop the assassination of the NCR leader. He does this because even if the NCR is defeated at Hoover Dam they can still make a comeback because everything is fine in their home turf. Mr House planned on create a isolationist sentiment in the NCR so they would leave New Vegas alone after their failure. Even if the Legion ending is the canon ending they can only go so far west without facing the true wrath of the NCR.

Fallout 1&2 are great

13:43 to make the lore even more confusing. What’s actually asked in New Vegas is “what was the original name of the NCR’s capital” which the answer is Shady Sands

Jimbo seems to have a beef with the NCR for some reason. Did he get his ass handed to him by NCR rangers in the game?

If they really wanted to destroy the NCR, rather than nuking Shady Sands, you just can have it continue on the path New Vegas set forth. Splintering apart into many subfactions and devolving into civil war. Civil war would be a far better hook than just nuking one town and suddenly the entire NCR dies despite them having huge forces and central town hubs everywhere else. The forces down in Baja could come into play, and no matter what outcome New Vegas had, with the civil war their already stretched man power would snap and they’d need to either retreat from Hoover Dam or have the forces there be its own faction of the NCR in a civil war.

The funny thing is Bethesda already did this once with Morrowind by destroying it with rock and volcano.

I liked the show

Also I'm pretty sure they ignore the existence of Vault City

*weird Sterling bit* "Am I having a stroke?"

Still gonna keep asking. Where is Shady Sands’ GECK? Did it get stolen? Did it get moved? Because if it was still in Shady Sands when the place was Nuked the crater is wrong and inconsistent with Bethesdas own Fallout 76. (For those who might no know the Mire and a lot of the Scorched from 76 where created due to a GECK exploding) The GECK is quite an important item thats movement saves the NCR, destruction screws the show and it being stolen without mention is really odd with how useful one is.

I honestly think in season 2 they might just rename Nipton January 6th Town.

The Road was the nearest thing we ever got to a Fallout movie

I think Bethesda realy missed the point of the saying "war never changes" if they only ended up taking away "man nukes can/will just keep flyin' " as its meaning

Boys i need help. I've cleared out every cementary in boston for pottery and Im still short on cermaic yall got any ideas

Mauler, can you do EFAP for the new Rings of Power Trailer?!

I wonder if they actually had a date on thr chalkboard for the nuking of shady sands, then late in the prouduction cycle simeone finally realized they contradicted FNV and they lazily just digitally removed the date.

EIGHT people is too damn many, guys. There's nearly always 2 people talking over each other as someone else rambles.

I keep hearing how it's supposed to be their job to rebuild society, would it have been interesting to have the vault dwellers come out of their vault eager to rebuild society only to find out society rebuild without them. That they seem to have no purpose, only to find new goals..

Seems like Hank and godd Howard have alot in common, being stupid, hating the ncr, hating the history of the area for being better than anything you could ever have made

it's an insult to good taste, common decency and basic human morality

Isint the point of fallout rebuilding a shattered world piece by piece?

I don’t ever listen to what Jim as to say he’s become such a bitter person now who’s more obnoxious now also Jim literally has a such a double Standard now where if you think something shouldn’t be open to everyone for example elden ring you don’t want the developers to get paid more and done not want them to get support but then when it comes to people he doesn’t or have connections to them then fuck the developers how dare you support the person I don’t like Hogwarts Legacy that’s why I never really follow what Jim has to say he doesn’t seem to understand anything

Cretosis lives

RE: EFAP talking over each other - what I’ve seen work elsewhere, with AV delay; *is the second speaker stops, original does not. So if you’re speaking and you pause, then keep talking and a second person cuts in, you do not stop talking*. It’ll result in overlapping voices, but the original speaker will be easier to follow AND there will be less “dead air”. TLDR; do NOT stop speaking when another person cuts in. Yes, it’ll result in awkward moments that’ll make speakers seem rude, BUT: you’ll get fewer moments, of short overlaps, instead of constant start and stop, and “no, you first”.

hey man, its ok, bethesda is an insult to the games so we didnt expect anything good in the first place. e: oh no its jim sterling, dont give that person the time of the day, stirring up the shitstorm is what he does and how suprised he is after someone actually listens and critiques him....."elite bigot games" will be the end all of his arguments.... dont pay attention to the bum in the park yelling at pidgeons.

Jim “he’s fat!” Sterling by the way.

Was that wolfs voice at the end? I hope it was, mannn I miss that man

yeah, I absolutely hated the Fallout New Vegas retcon it is set in 2281 if you wanted a fall of the NCR why not set it after then the courier had the opportunity to nuke the long 15 and or Dry wells i would not have had as much of a problem with the ncr falling to infighting shortly after the second battle of hover dam in the event of them losing. but no, it was a mid-level manager that snuck in and nuked them in 2277 because vault tech doesn't support competition (also minor problem but the NCR is not just one city or even its immediate surroundings it is big the boneyard, reno, vault city, the hub, Ect.).

interestingly, some of the things you guys described, in regards to the different locations in a post apocalypse world was done well in the masterpiece, Z Nation.

Hey there is this fallout show shill called n_orte that said that the portrayal of House in the show was good. What do you think?

we shouldn't be surprised the fans of this show are trying to go to bat for it and write for it so it makes sense. These are the same ppl who do the same for FO3 & FO4, they're fucking used to having to do this

Wtf rags is still around?

I wonder if EFAP has tried to reach out to get Timothy Cain on to have a civil discussion over the Fallout IP. Hell even if it was just Mauler or Rags talking to him one on one would be cool to listen in to. I honestly believe he would be for a proper on call session. He is a open minded guy with a lot of great insight.

Moving the narrative forward by deleting all the progress of 1 2 and new vegas. Sure.

Fun fact: the TARDIS is found in Fallout. That means the "modern audience" Doctor is canon in the games. 😁

Hi Wolf!

There's another bit of stupidity that seems to get overlooked with the nuking of Shady Sands. Not the homage to kid in a fridge/Indiana Jones 4, but the fact there's an east coast BOS member there. The guy they show Maximus seeing clearly has an East Coast BoS crest on his T-60, which is east coast armor too. 2277 is also the year Fallout 3 was set. That's proof that less than zero thought went into the nuking of Shady Sands. They just thought it would be cool to say Shady Sands was nuked exactly 200 years after the great war and put no further thought into it after that.