The Fallout TV Series, And What It Means For Fallout 5 

I love how much restraint they showed by not having a Deathclaw yet

Joke's gonna be on all of us when they set Fallout 5 in 2290 Chicago and never mention either coast at all.

They’re running out of fusion cores in the Commonwealth because my character in FO4 is hoarding them all. 😂

I think Thaddeus got FEV, and is gonna be a super mutant. If you look at rose she’s missing an arm. Ghouls don’t regenerate but FEV does. Maximus’s line is a misnomer

I low key hope the ghoul thing stays around for the simple fact we can point to the show and say "we first saw a character turned into a ghoul through medicine made by the chicken fucker."

Man I enjoyed that show. VaultTec Plan D Econo Value Pack is still the best dark joke in Fallout history.

vault-tec also didnt have all vaults finished by the time the bombs drop (notably 114 and 88), so its very possible that even if vault-tec *intended* to drop the bombs at some point, someone beat them to the punch

Something to note about if Vault-Tec actually caused the great war or not: We see Cooper's daughter with her father performing at a birthday party when the war starts. Barb, her mother, is literally one of the highest ranking Vault-Tec executives to the point she was at that meeting: Why would she not have her daughter with her if she knew the world was going to end? Answer: She didn't. The war actually happened before Vault-Tec planned it to, and caught them with their pants down. It's a brilliant explanation that keeps in line the rest of the lore like unfinished vaults and the ambiguity of who actually shot first. Related to this and to reinforce your theory: one of the major themes of pre-war America we keep seeing in the show is that anyone who doesn't go along with the elites is immediately outcast as a "commie". It makes total sense House would be more than intelligent enough to not say anything against the plan knowing it'd turn the rest of the elites against him, and that nuclear war was inevitable anyways. It even preserves him being intelligent enough to predict when the war happens, as eventually he realizes the war is going to happen before Vault-Tec can initiate their plan anyways, and so tries to get the platinum chip before them but fails by only 20 hours as in line with FNV lore. I hope this is the way things proceed anyways - makes everything with House still fit perfect and preserves his portrayal in NV.

I like an idea from the Fallout subreddit - the West coast Brotherhood merged with the Legion. The names they all have are more Roman sounding, the red and gold banners are Legion colors, not usual for the Brotherhood, their more aggressive behavior and more violent traditions.

Side note: I contend that the Ghoul is the video game protagonist stand-in. He's overpowered in the amount of damage he does, including using special ammo, can't be taken out by the same amount of ammo other humans or ghouls can, exists somewhat outside of the wasteland other than his pre-war backstory, and really reflects the sort of psychopathic behavior most players engage in.

Some people might hate it if they realize it, but I loved the fact that the Overseer is basically an evil karma version of Fallout 1's Vault Dweller. We even find out he's originally from Vault 31 (literally mirrored to 13) and began his evil quest when he learned his Vault's water supply was being threatened.

"Honestly its amazing people aren't shooting them on sight." From my experiences in the wasteland, a great many people do shoot vault dwellers on sight.

“Pre war fusion cores are running out and that could create an energy crisis and a second resource war” The ressies in Appalachia building fusion cores with their bare hands out of radioactive plants and animal meat:

It wasn't confirmed Thaddeus was a ghoul, just suspected by the characters. My bet is it was FEV and that he's going to show back up as a super mutant.

My theory is that it looked like Vault-Tec and the plutocracy didn't start the nuclear war but were directly hindering any peaceful solutions to the conflict, making it an almost certainty. Still, they were caught a little flat-footed when it did actually start, as was House.

Re: the feral ghoul cure, I think they could be trying to set up playable ghouls in the next game as some sort of harder survival based character that has a "Feralization" meter like the sleep meter in 4's survival mode, where the character would have to take the cure to keep themselves from going feral.

Why do the Brotherhood in the series have Roman names? Maximus, Titus, Thaddeus, all sounds very Legion-y. There must be something to this.

I keep picturing an Enclave officer, a Vault-tec CEO and an alien all pressing the red button for launching nukes at the same time and then making akward eye contact.

15:35 John, no. The reason you don't see fusion cores around anymore is because the Brotherhood -- West Coast-Type, mind you! -- have been sequestering them like Fremen water on Arrakis. Captured in bulk, commandeered when identified, paid off wasters to find them. The nature of the Brotherhood is to capture and isolate technology after all, NOT to become Wasteland Jedi like Maxon's failed chapter attempted.

Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter

I quite like the idea of who started the great war never being confirmed.

Episode 8 really does set up intriguing questions/scenarios for Season 2. The idea of the Brotherhood being given infinite power is compelling and Hank heading toward New Vegas means exactly what Jon suggested, that they have to address and potentially confirm a canonical ending for New Vegas. I'm honestly excited to see how they handle that, since the writers seem to respect the source material.

My favourite moment was Mayor Bob's cameo in Episode 7

My thoughts on the inclusion of the anti-feral drug for ghouls is that it's mainly a plot device. It gives a nice way to explain what feral ghouls are, and it gives Walton Goggins' character motivation to go after Dr. Wilzig. Why else would he go after a bounty for caps when he could be out looking for the whereabouts of his family. He needs the caps to buy the drug. That's why when we first see him in filly, we get a close-up of the last few drops he's got in a vial. He needs more.

I had assumed that the ghoul drug was just Rad-Away. Why would ghouls have been taking it if they didnt care about rads? Maybe someone worked out that it was those rads that cause the increasing mental degredation? The guys in the super duper mart are quite happy to trade 60 vials of the stuff for one body, so it cant be THAT hard to get a hold of, otherwise it would be worth a lot more, and they would run out rapidly. The ghoul is also on a hook up to it while he is in the grave, and he only gets dug up once a year, so having a multi years supply on hand seems unlikely if it is some rare super drug. I suspect it might just be a slightly treated version of Rad-Away.

Would love to see Jon do a video essay explaining all the canonical endings to each of the current games so we have an official history of how everything has currently gone in the Fallout universe.

"And 3 in broken steel" like one of the very first choices you get isn't to detonate Megaton lmao

As for the ghoul medicine: Anyone remember Oswald the Outrageous? If you leave him alive he goes out to find a cure. And he would make an excellent movie character.

I did notice what I thought was a production error where the Caswennan's livery labels it as the Prydwen, but your theory of a Brotherhood victory in FO4 would fix that =|a Also it's pretty clear that The Ghoul is running a Luck build. You can't convince me him going against the Brotherhood in the final episode isn't Grim Reaper's Sprint maxxed.

I theorise that vault 32 found out about vault 31 and what was going on. Vault 31 found out and retaliated by causing the blight and cutting off correspondence between vault 32 and 33. Further isolating vault 32 and destroying their food source could definitely cause the chaos we saw. Then the raiders break in using Rose's pip-boy, and find all the dwellers already dead. The imprisoned raiders telling Norman this is what sends him (and Chet) to explore vault 32. So the raiders having nothing to do with the destruction of 32, just coincidentally breaking in after the vault destruction (or being allowed to 'break in' by 31 to explain the destruction of the vault)

I noticed that when Hank (vault 33 overseer) was walking to New Vegas at the end, he walks past a deathclaw skull. Maybe a fun little nod to the fact that the main road to New Vegas used to be crawling with deathclaws?

I had not noticed it until I saw your thumbnail - the picture is a skull, seen from far away.

I share your theory on House making his own plans to thwart Vault-Tec, and House not getting the chip in time sounds like it could be that Vault-Tec was aware of his plot.

Little do we know that Todd simply loved the dust mod so much, he decided to make it cannon

I know you don't do reviews on TV shows but I'd love to here your take on each ep and a season overview

The only thing that bugged me was it never crashed once in 8 episodes.

Regarding Vault 32 - they discover that the outer doors were opened from the outside, 2 years ago, using the pipboy of Lucy's mother. Since Rose (the mother) was a barely living ghoul, it's quite possible it was Moldaver. But whoever it was, they probably told the residents of Vault 32 the real nature of Vault 31 and the real purpose of 32 and 33. This would explain the graffiti like "we know" or "death to the management". The killing between Vault 32 residents was most probably original Vault 32 residents hunting those who came from Vault 31. As for why all of them died eventually? Maybe they commited basically a group suicide, maybe the ex-31s sabotaged the crops... or something more ominous... Vault 31 has control of some kind of failsafe that can neutralise 32 or 33 in case they go rogue. And the evens in the first episodes can be explained by a single throwaway line... that the inter-vault marriages/exchanges happen every 3 years. Moldaver knew that from Rose so she hired some wasteland thugs and got there in time to impersonate Vault 32 overseer and take part in the marriage. All that just to get hands on Hank.

I sort of got the impression that the drug makers in the Super Duper mart were harvesting something from the locked up ghouls to make the drug. Either that or they were just in treatment and locked up for safety incase the drug failed.

You know what was a throwaway line that made me nearly choke on my water? When Bud said the only way to win the "Great Game" was with time. The Great Game, like from Point Lookout. And what do the folks at Vault-Tec and Desmond and Calvert have in common? Scientists that have become immortal through one mean or another. Trying to take out rivals that would attempt to shape the world. Perhaps House was a rival, maybe that why House flooded Vault 21 with concrete, because Vault-Tec was one of his rivals. Because House was playing the great game, too.

I think Todd is setting up Fallout 5 to finally having Ghoul as a playable race, with Ghoul as main character in the show, and adding so many details to the Ghoul "race", and like you said, setting up some possible missions specific for the ghouls.

Just a quick answer to the point you made at 13:00. The airship in the show does actually say Prydwen on the side (it's actually been a visible detail since the first full trailer). Personally, I suspect the Caswennan thing was a smokescreen so that they could use the cool airship shot without giving anything away.

As a Philly guy, I adore the town of Filly in this series. It has major Megaton vibes and that feels so Philly to me.

Some really interesting and neat conclusions here! I like that you actually consider every theory and why they do or don't make sense. My theory on Vault Tec starting the war is Vault Tec fully intended on starting the war with nukes secretly while lobbying for war publicly, but the war ended up happening before Vault Tec was ready. That is why House was unprepared, that is why some vaults remain under construction and some experiments weren't done properly, etc.

In my headcannon the Legion LOSES the second battle, caesar died from his tumor, Lanius tries to rally for the 3rd invasion only to get assassinated in his bed and the legion then fractures into multiple successor states each claims to be the rightful successor and denouncing the others, leading to multi front civil war in legion territory

On the ghoul drug. - It clearly can be produced post war, we just don't know the process. But the two guys in the super duper mart have some way of making it. Otherwise their business would've run out ages ago. I think the more interesting implication is what it means for ghouls now that the dealers are dead. - We also know it cannot restore an already feral ghoul to a non feral state as when Cooper and Lucy meet... Reg? The ghoul has huffed and drank every vial he's got but he is still turning. He asks cooper for a vial but it's pretty clearly not working on him anymore. I don't believe this is due to the body forming tolerance to the drug otherwise Cooper would have turned long ago given how much he's taken. Vault 32 found out about vault 31, possibly from Rose or Moldava. This is evidenced by the fact their overseer's corpse is still tied to the chair. The denizens tried to gain access to vault 31 and 31 flipped the killswitch. Blight killed the crops, the people eventually resorted to cannabilism and murdering each other over resource shortages. They couldn't ask the other vaults for help because 31 would've blocked communication. It's also implied 31 had contingencies in place for such a scenario as implied by Betty organizing a Vault 32 resettlement plan. With Steph being the interim overseer. Steph who is also from Vault 31. The entire experiment is meant to be Bud Askins baby. Proof of his theory that human survival all comes down to one word. Management.

I do like the concept of everyone trying to kill, or being very cautious/scared of, vault dwellers because of what happens every time one leaves a vault. It would make interactions on the game far more entertaining...

I really like the theory of House designing New Vegas's missile defense system as a way to one-up Vault-Tec surface resettlement plans. It also adds an extra layer of pettiness to his decision to fill up Vault 21 with concrete, almost like a way to hammer it in just how much better _his_ idea was than Vault-Tec's.

I liked the show a lot, and I can't wait for season 2. Im suprised they didn't invite you two to London like a few of the other Fallout youtubers.

Actually for Fallout 4 you missed one possible ending which is the Minuteman ending where both the BOS and Railroad both survive. This is the most likely cannon ending as it explains why the BOS is still in the commonwealth as thanks to the Railroad there are a lot of synths still walking around.

Wasn't the Mojave wasteland supposed to have been invaded by a horde of tunnelers by now? That would be a development.

If the overseer vault is in vegas it could be why house filled the lower levels of the one in New vegas with concrete. Trying to bury them. I suppose house could be semi-in or playing along, so the defenses of vegas are meant to defend the execs during the grrat war. It will be interesting to see if vault tec is working with/part of the enclave, or might actually be at odds.

I really liked the show, it felt so "fallouty". As for various informations, canon etc - I think it's worth remembering, that a lot of things are from various perspectives, told or written by characters within the universe, who most likely don't have all the info, or got some things wrong, or straight up deliberately lie. Very few things are explicitly confirmed, like the Vault Tec meeting - however, it's final outcome not so much. Stuff like Mr House saying how he saved Las Vegas thanks to his calculations and predictions? It would be in character for him to just... lie. Also, Shady Sands was not the capital by the time of NV and the show, it was mentioned a few times as a "first capital", which would be really weird to do if there wasn't a second (and maybe more). Iirc the Hub was mentioned to be the capital in NV, but I might be wrong

I'd argue the fact that Minutemen radio seems to be available in California does at least hint at a possible Minutemen victory in Fallout 4.

Jon, you are a genius! I love how much knowledge you have of fallout. I watched it 2 times and didn't have all these thoughts and connections. I have only played 4 & 76. I am learning so much! Thank you!

The 'What happened to Vault 32' part actually seemed pretty clear to me and people are following red herrings. Just because the crops were dead doesn't mean they failed. They died out because there was no one left tending them. The protagonist's mother's Pip Boy was used to open the outer door years before the attack on 33. The graffiti was left by the raider/NCR remnants and not the occupants. Their leader seemed to know all about what was going on and must have been some kind of ghoul herself _or_ was actually part of Vault 31 and kept on ice for most of the time since the great war (my preferred theory) who left the vaults around the same time our protagonist's mother did. It's all guesswork, of course. That's what make shows like this fun... the _not_ knowing. And, of course, good acting, writing, effects and so on.

I had been really hoping you'd do a video along these lines

I’m still confused why the Enclave even have a presence this late in the timeline I thought the remnants in New Vegas were literally some of the last member I thought the Enclave was dead after Adam’s Air Force Base was taken over by the Brotherhood

Walton Ghoulgins That is all

I appreciate the end slate is for the Worst Courier after all the guessing on which NV ending is canon.

love the suppositions either way it was super to have one of your brilliante deep dives into fallout back again thank you for your insight

I'm pleasantly surprised with how much I enjoyed it. And I even feel like this might be one of Walton Goggins' best roles. The man is great in everything, but here he stole every scene he was in. What a joy! 8/10 show in my opinion.

Mr. house is part of the BIG Game with Desmond from Point Lookout, The Cabbots from FO4, Braun from Tranquility Lane amd the Think Tank from Old Worlds blues,The Dude that built the Sierra Madre, including others listed in some lore from 3 and new vegas. All these people were seeking to kill each other while striving to survive the end of the World and seeking eternal life.

Great breakdown of the NCR at the beginning. It declining & fracturing presents some fascinating story opportunities!

Perfect timing! I just finished the series and was wondering what Jon would think about it

I assumed that the destroyed strip was ncr retaliation to a house ending leading the ncr to try to assault the lucky 38 to kill house where both sides just ended up in ww1 trench scenario leading the city to just be a warzone

the "vault-tec fired first" thing is fun cause the bomb in the middle of megaton *has the vault tec logo on it* the theory was that they fired a missile from within america that was not supposed to go off to scare americans into buying vault tickets, vault tec shares, etc, instead america thought it was a chinese attack and fired full scale

The fact that the brotherhood is taking over towns and settlements actually makes me think that the minutemen ending of Fallout 4 could be the canon one, out there theory but if the brotherhood sees that the minutemen can become powerful enough to defeat institute and the potential the brotherhood themselves, the brotherhood may have started viewing it as a good military tactic.

This is the content I come to MATN for. Thanks for the thoughtful analysis Jon - best to Tabby and Claire!

Wasn't Hancock in FO4 goulified by a drug?

I loved the Super Mutant hand they showed in the second episode. Makes me wonder what the Enclave are doing and if we will see more mutants. I would have loved a reference to the master in season one but I'm holding out hope for Jacobstown in season two.

This is the video we were waiting for! Amazing Jon!

Thank you! I've been waiting for a true Fallout lore aficionado to do a look at the ending and what it all means

In reference to the vaccines, we know that Virgil, the Institute scientist, was working on a cure to FEV. Seeing as the show takes place 9 years after Fallout 4, it's completely possible that Virgil did, in fact, create a cure that could also affect ghouls.

I am looking forward so seeing which of these theories turn out to be correct when Fallout 5 comes out in 2040.

Great video. I just finished the show and i am confused on one thing I have never seen anyone mention. In episode one raiders attack Vault 33. In episode eight it is highly suggested that those raiders were in fact NCR.

The final shot showing a wrecked mojave/strip made me think that maybe the cloud from dead money made its way outside

if you zoom in on the shows airship and fiddle with the brightness, it does say prydwen

It bother anyone else that from coasts to coast the bombs dropping during daylight but the drive ins are all packed with cars full of dead bodies?

I’ve watched 3 minutes, and now I’m leaving until I’ve binged the entire series. Be back soon.

The rats went insane due to overpopulation in a confined space. The new overseer of vault 33 said that vault 32 is the breeding vault. So maybe they let them breed freely & see what the results are once the vault becomes overcrowded. It would take time but it is a process that can be repeated to strive for different results. We all know Vault-tec loves it's experiments.

i think it is pretty clear that vault 2 found out abt management being pre war and revolted to try and get out

I only just noticed with the thumbnail that the promo image looks like a skull. It seems so obvious now but I guess I just didn't look at this image very much before now. Anyways, great job Jon!

Good lord how I have been missing fallout content from Jon. Please... keep it coming!

Season 2 gonna have more lore and I can’t wait for it. And we might get hints to where fallout 5 could be

Hasnt the TV Show mixed up LA Boneyard and Shady Sands? They go from Santa Monica Pier to the Griffith Observatory and cross Shady Sands in the meantime.. yet to my knowledge Shady Sands is some 100km north of the Observatory and the Pier.

I really hope they don't wreck the NCR for fallout 5. I'm getting pretty sick of Bethesda not allowing the world to move forward.

About what went down in Vault 32, it's interesting to see that they didn't just create a pair of vaults, one for the frozen Vault-Tec executives and one for the "breeding ground", they created 3. The existence of two connected vaults led by "managers" fits well with the corporate culture of 31's brain jar overseer: the two vaults are in competition. If the goal is to create the ultimate manager, you can not evaluate the performance of their team without another team to compare them to. As we hear from both vaults, 33 experienced a famine and 32 had its crops fail without any hint of emergency help being given to one another. They have a meeting every three years to exchange supplies and people but that's about it so maybe letting one of them fail and the other "annexes" it is part of the experiment. Now about what went down exactly in 32, we cannot say for sure but it seems obvious there was a crisis that ended up in violence. Would'nt be the first time a vault just collapses on its own I guess. Maybe an electoral campaign went wrong, maybe someone from 32 got close to being elected, threatening the integrity of the program, prompting the 31ers among them to use violence plunging the vault into civil war. What I found weird was the lack of information 33 had regarding the situation prior to the raider invasion. Was one of Moldaver's men manning the overseer terminal and sending occasional "nothing to report" mails to McLain? That's the only way I could explain why 33 opened its doors. I wouldn't imagine McLain not checking in on his competitor from 32 every so often, especially if he is ready to marry off his daughter to one of them.

The ghoul drug seems like its Radx or rad-away. Also, the fall of Shady Sands was 2277, but then the nuke is clearly said to have gone off after so we dont know the exact year that happened.

The timeline on the chalkboard has written "The Fall of Shady Sands in 2277 ------> _Explosion_" meaning the downfall of Shady Sands began in 2277. The nuking of Shady Sands isn't mentioned in New Vegas because it happened after the events of NV.

I enjoyed the show but a few thoughts: 1) probably my biggest gripe is the sudden relocation of Shady Sands to next door to Los Angeles (when in reality it was a lot further north with the Hub and Junktown between it and LA). I would have preferred if "Shady Sands" was Adytum as it was in the LA Boneyard relates to the original Fallout and would still have as much meaning to both the Fallout-fan audience and non-Fallout fan audience. 2) My original thought for the Vault 32/33 experiments was it was going to be exploring how people react to a life of haves and have nots and what happens when they integrate. Vault 33 having access to plentiful food, clean drinking water whilst Vault 32 had famines and dirty water. Seeing how the Vault 32 residents would react to a situation - resort to cannibalism or try to kill the residents of Vault 33 when they integrate. If we were adding in Vault 31 that could have been a control vault that could see the two situations to see the reaction to knowing both situations. 3) Love the amount of eastereggs and references to the games. It felt like they had done their homework. My favourite easter egg however was in Cooper Howards house where it shows he starred in a film called "The Man and his Dog" referring to "The Boy and his Dog" the film that inspired the concept of Dogmeat and many other things in the Fallout series. Really liked that subtle reference. 4) The opening scene was pretty much perfect. The subtle cues about the tensions between America and China, the weatherman asking what the point in doing weather if the world was going to end, the innocence of a kids birthday party all taken away by the bombs falling (deathly silence) then seeing once friends turning on each other (the man not letting his friend into the fallout bunker he had in his house). It felt 100x better than the opening to Fallout 4 as it gave more time to build up to the bombs dropping and chance to relate to the characters. 5) The soundtrack was brilliant. A mix of Fallout Radio songs and Fallout OSTs. Saving the big drop of the Fallout 4 theme for the reveal of the New California Republic flag in Vault 4. The jokes about people not liking the fiddle music (Minuteman Radio) and how people complain about it just made me think of all the Minuteman Radiant quests that Preston sent me on. 6) Love how slimy Vault Tec are portrayed. It gives a real insight into what corporations like Vault Tec, RobCo, BigMT, Repcon etc. were up to and the corruption behind the scenes. I also love how Bud Askins didn't become a proper robobrain but more akin to a Roomba with a brain in a jar. Made me think of The Think Tanks, Professor Calvert and John Caleb Bradberton. 7) Love the use of the creatures in the series. The Brotherhood Knight against the Yao Guai repeatedly swearing makes me think of any time I ran into something similar with little plan on how to survive. The gulper was creepy and a great boss fight. Surprised at the lack of supermutants being mentioned (other than the arm of one in the Enclave facility) 8) Love the Brotherhood in this. They seem like a military organisation with a clear command structure. They relay information across radio to create an image of the Enclave doctor. They have training bases, multiple airships (The name of this one is an alternative name for King Arthurs ship in Arthurian legend - same origin to the Prydwyn), a real sense of power and influence. Wasn't too keen on changing Elders to Clerics and mixing the terms around but I can live with it. Overall some really good aspects included. It felt very well executed and I am looking forward to Season 2 to see where they go from here. Between this and the Last of Us last year there are definitely some great video game adaptations coming forward.

I think the outro might have just been a stylistic choice. They showed areas in some of the outros that were in the episode that just played but in a state of disrepair not present during the episode itsself. I wouldn't read into that being the state of the strip. Especially because you can see the Lucky 38 in the background looking just fine when Twin Peaks Dad shows up, then immediately see the sign buried under dust in the outro.

I think vault 32 was meant to be a direct control compared to vault 33, where they didn't get a manager who had gone through Bud's program. Presumably the overseers in that vault were incompetent and eventually some fight broke out and murdered everyone.

Im not sure why the slaughter occurred in the vault. Remnant of NCR faction acts like raiders?

I thought Mr House WAS prepared for the bombs with a defensive system that deflected the bombs.

I loved it. Funny, horrifying, weird, colourful and bleak, well-written, well-acted, pretty faithful to the past franchise outings. Good stuff.

I was waiting for your review. 💛💙

I thought Thaddeus was given "mysterious serum" from fallout 4. It essentially makes you immortal. Although maybe he just became a ghoul, who knows

I was kinda looking forward to some Fallout not starring/majorly involving the BoS for once. Show is absolutely amazing, but I don't like that they nuked the NCR and made the BoS stronger, yet again. I was looking forward to the NCR being more involved.

Honestly I didn’t see the existence of a ghoul drug something that’s established, it honestly felt like a wild wasteland encounter. That weird unreality slipping in, some random snake oil salesman wasn’t lying that drug can regrow a foot.

For some reason, part of me wonder if Bethesda just recycled from old Fallout movie script draft (part where Vault Tec being the instigator of the war with Vault 13 overseer being the company executive) and Van Buren (the part where communication with NCR core region was lost...in a middle of a stalemate with Brotherhood of Steel along with New Plague coming back)