The FANTASTIC Return of DOCTOR WHO 

Same. I don't care that it adds more incarnations pre-Hartnell, Classic Who implied more than once that Hartnell wasn't the first anyway. If anything, adding more past incarnations is an interesting idea. But the Doctor shouldn't be a god-like figure, they are a nobody who made a big impact. It would've been so much interesting to have the Master turn out to be the Timeless Child imo.

But that was never the lore. In classic he was a lord and a special lord who could claim presidency of gallifrey. It was always implied something was going on. The Timeless Child actually made sense of what seemed to be contradictions in classic and nuWho

I can definitely see how the way it’s framed can lead to that but from what I understand the story is largely about proving the opposite. You can come from anywhere but it doesn’t change who you’ve become or who you want to be.

no offense, but you can still be a special Time Lord, who can claim presidency, and still be someone who ran away. The Timeliness child litersally says, "aCtUAlLy YoU wErE NeVeR a TiMeLoRd" LMAO oh DUDE SO CLEVER. IM SO GLAD WE HAD THIS ADDED TO THE LORE ITS SO GOOD. Like so good it completely contradicts with SO MUCH ESTBALISHED LORE. Cmon, this is literally lazy bad writing. no Respect for what came before HUGE SMH.@@CrankyGrandma

@@ForEveryKindofGeek I feel like that’s kinda overshadowed by the plot point if making the doctor the origin of regeneration, it would be one thing to separate the doctor from the timelords- to make the character seem just that much more alone. I just feel that by giving them an ability and then having the only hardship the doctor faced when they were the timeless child and were being experimented on kinda redundant when they don’t remember any of it. When the doctor does remember it, the plot line feels pushed forward and basically forgotten. I very rarely like retconning and removing sections of bad writing later on a little annoying- but I’d be fine if rtd went in and basically removed the plot point all together/ more so make it into some massive payoff time loop plot by and old villain (or something like that.

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Yep, this. People saying the timeless child concept breaks canon clearly only had the most superficial interaction with the show previously.

All three examples are trying to answer a question that the show is better off not answering, though. It's not a show designed for extensive lore.

@@michaeldallaway1988 on the contrary, it's entirely a show designed for extensive lore - it just has an exceedingly malleable canon - partly because the BBC is famous for soft-canon sci-fi shows, and partly because it's a show that's literally about constantly rewriting the past.

@@MichaelJohnson-kq7qg save that for extended media. You're bringing back a show that's been in the doldrums. Stick to the premise of 'man with magic box, can go anywhere in space and time'. The freedom of the premise, and all that TV writers can do with it, is exactly why it works. Most people aren't hardcore Whovians who know about Lungbarrow or Rassilon or The Other. They might know he's a Time Lord. Maybe. But if you want the show to be a mainstream success, you focus on 'man with magic box with friends has adventures' and keep the hardcore fans happy by dripping in a taste of lore/larger plot arcs (Time War being the best recent example) without putting the majority off. And as a pretty big fan, I'd argue that as soon as you start asking further questions about the Doctor's origins, some of the magic goes away. I *like* not knowing.

@@michaeldallaway1988 that doesn't make any sense. More to get point, it's the opposite of what made the relaunched Dr Who in 2005 wildly successful.

Thanks! Honestly I’ve gotten over any attempts to blow these up, I just focus on making something I’m proud of and hope it reaches some like-minded people

Thanks, same to you!

@@ForEveryKindofGeek your welcome man :)

Thanks!

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it

Clom's missing! The Doctor brought it back...then sent it away again, because nobody wanted to see that frakking "Absorbaloft" again!!!

That's more than fair, I've done a few re-watches over the course of the edit and I've really come to love a lot about them. McCoy himself makes an incredible doctor, and I love the merlin-esque angle they took with him as a character

Thanks! I’ll fully admit to some bias over Chibnall’s time. I liked a lot of his bigger ideas but I think he and his team never got to operate at their best under normal conditions. It would have been amazing to see how they evolved over time the same way moffat and his crew found their voice, but I also see plenty of value in what we got. All in all, I think the evolution of the show has always been a huge part of its story and it’s been great seeing the changes from era to era. I can’t wait to see what Davies has planned now that he’s had some time away. Might even see moffat and Chibnall come back for their own grand returns down the line.

Jodie got the job, refused to watch any episodes of the show and proceeded to say DW had gotten old. She's a fan antagonist and shitty actress. Stop simping for the wahmen she ain't gonna fuck you.

Id argue a lot of that spirit is still alive and well in the Chibnall era, you just need to know where to look. I’ll concede that it had a shaky first season but there’s still plenty of great stuff to love. It’s just a different flavor of the show, and I’ve really come around to it over the years.

@@ForEveryKindofGeek i'm on capaldi now, ill try to give the era a fair shake on rewatch

Totally valid, for whatever reason I just didn’t click with it. I think I prefer the more mechanical look of some of the previous sets, but that’s just me.

I think there are a number of reasons why people ended up not liking Chibnall’s time. Personally I love his previous work and I’ve loved a lot of his collaborators, but I do think they were hobbled by a weaker first season and a number of production problems later on. That said, I think there’s still plenty to love about what they did get to make, and I’d love to see them come back and get a fair shake down the line, even if it’s just a special.

I’m going to have to disagree. I had a similar attitude on my first watch but I came back to it about a year ago and was floored by the storytelling episode to episode. I do think moffat’s fairytale approach is kind of at odds with the huge setups he puts out but it’s also completely in line with what his big idea is: a more magical take on science fiction. There are still bits I don’t connect with, that’s true for every season, but I’ve really come to love it for everything new it adds. Same goes for chibnall, and same will likely be for Davies’ return.

Crybaby.

Sorry you didn’t connect with the last few years of the series, but I’m going to have to disagree. Chibnall’s staffers are incredibly skilled writers, and Malorie Blackman and Pete Mctighe both have extensive work in sci-fi and fantasy. In my opinion the inconsistency of the earlier season came out of the fact that they implemented an American style writer’s room, something Chibnall didn’t have much experience running. There’s a definite improvement in episodic stories later on, but when you weigh it against pandemic production it’s hard to say that team ever got a fair shake, especially when people cite capaldi’s Doctor as the turning point for moffat’s era. I can definitely say the Chibnall years had a bad start, but they don’t detract from any of the writers or their work on the series. If anything, I can’t wait to see how Davies builds on it all.

​@@ForEveryKindofGeekare you saying that any of chibbers series was good? Please make a video explaining how that's not a retarded take please

@@ForEveryKindofGeek I’m glad that we can amicably agree to disagree, something that I wish we saw more of and you also got a subscription from me. I also strongly agree that David Tennant is the quintessential doctor and I’m also glad that he’s back for a couple of specials. I’m also looking forward to Ncuti (don’t know if I’m spelling that correctly) and what he has to offer.

@@paulyoung5641 absolutely, same here. I’ve come to love every doctor for their own reasons but I’ve always loved David’s energy as a character and it’s great to see him come back. I think a huge part of the show’s magic is that everyone gets a chance to come back and shine, and they’re all treated with the same reverence and importance. Every return feels like something monumental.

couldn't be more wrong, and I'm tired of having the same conversation with "woke made doctor who bad" people over and over. Get a new argument, or just don't watch the show. You won't be missed.

@@ForEveryKindofGeek Seems you don't even understand the argument, yet you're just done with it anyway. You probably don't even know what woke is, and think the show was always woke because it talked about social issues. Bruh, woke is not the same as progressive. Woke means "insincere, shallow, lazy attempts to appear progressive while not being progressive at all". Progressive is "a thoughtful, sincere, nuanced and intelligent handling of political and social issues. Doctor Who went from that to the woke "Shame you're not a woman anymore." I dare you to say that to a trans man irl (the closes irl equivalent for a Timelord who regenerated from a woman to a man). You know what that's called? That's literal transphobia. In an attempt to attack the straight white men they so despise, the writers committed a friendly fire against trans people instead because they're woke, not progressive. They don't care. They only use representation and social issues to get clout, to promote their show and to appear as loyal allies while only abusing the people they claim to represent for personal gain. But hey, why do I even bother, you're not gonna read this anyway, you'll just call me a conservative, a right-winger, a bigot, or, if you're feeling your inner Hasan Piker, even a certain c-word and probably block me. Cool, I don't much care, but I did want to at least give an honest argument a try. P.S. If I were writing Rose, she'd be just as trans as she is, she'd just have an actual character and wouldn't be caught doing ironic friendly fire along with her mom. Still as trans as now, still Yasmine Finney, just written like a person and not a propaganda poster.

@@ForEveryKindofGeek So you reply to a same old tired argument with the same old tired rebuttal, both your groups deserve each other!

@@Gabbagool86 Doctor Who is and has always been an inclusive space, made by a wide variety of people who put their perspective into what they're making. There is no place for bigotry or hate within it. And if the best you can do to counter that argument is pull a "nuh-uh, you" then that's fine by me. Won't change anything.

Everyone’s got their favorite. Just so happens mine’s ten but I’m also a huge fan of Baker’s performance. I’d even say Tennant draws a lot from it in his first round.

Capaldi was in my Top 3. Superior actor sub-par final series writing.