THE FATE OF MAGNUS! REUNION WITH THE EMPEROR! 

Mostly because we only had 1 perspective. The novel is a great take on other Pov’s and filling in the missing knowledge.

What is the ending?

@@MB-rn4zk It is the same as we always knew. It just fills in how tragic Magnus’ fall was. And how outside of perty, he has a very high chance to be redeemed. All E needed to do was give Magnus the primarius for his new legion and put the rest in status until chaos could be dealt with. It shows you that deep down. E is a dickhead and can’t relate to anyone outside Malchador.

@@MB-rn4zk tbh, should the E recover more from his position on the throne, you might see a redemption arc play out. Hell. My personal theory is thus: you get clone Fulgrim to return and he fights deamon Fulgrim. The redemption is that he slays demon Fulgrim and claims the part of his soul that he needs to be whole and brings back the emperor’s children. This would be aided by either the wildcard Khan or Vulkan. Hell. Id even say that “the Lion” would Wake up and would help the clone reclaim his “soul” to make a new Fulgrim. This leads to Magnus seeing that he had a road away from Tzeentch. Hell. In down for the “real Alpharius” to stick it into chaos and twist to show that 90% of the alpha legion was playing the long game and take this shit back from chaos. Tyranids and necrons are a big bad that they need all hands on deck to deal with. Just my 2 cents.

@@HammarPwnsYourFace That, and they slightly shifted it in Magnus not becoming the daemon prince after being broken over Russ' knee, but by Vulkan.

Just as planned.

Magnus was warned

All knowledge has a price...

The thing though is.....They were all still dying..the Legion was mutating at a devastating pace again, and magnus now a prince of Tzeentch no longer did anything to stop it. If you believe the book aurelian, where Lorgar sees the future of the thousand sons (which later seems confirmed) then event hough their bodies are horribly mutated, their minds stay intact. But still the legion was swiftly degrading and dying. What ahriman did is in essence try to solve it (the ritual only failed because it was manipulated by a third party...wanna know more then read the book crimson king) but it backfired. but it also bought the legion time, their souls a snd spirits were preserved in the armour while the body was gone (except that of the stronger psykers). and ever since then Ahriman has been searching for a way to solve it and fully revive his legion.

Magnus is rare among all warhammer figures let alone chaos ones in that his end game is still achievable. he and/or Ahriman can gather the tools the techniques, the favors with new eldritch elf gods ext needed to restore his legion. Even at the end of 40k Magnus achieving all of his whims likely still leads the universe into a golden age. Its why I find his warped and twisted faction so intriguing.

My two favourite primarchs!

Same here for traitor primarchs they’re in my top 3!

Haven’t seen much of curze. Got any novel recommendations?

@@nikik5567 Yeahh prince of crows is a good one to read!

@@robertorodriguez9854 my top 3 are Magnus, Corvus, then Angron. I love Angron the most, as a character, but I find magnus the most compelling. I might be the only Angron fan in the entire fandom lmao

And have the Space Corgies..sorry! SpaceWolves rebuild Prospero

After you force Russ and Magnus to be in the same room with each other and make them apologize.

@@sessy01 There's hints that that's going to happen soon. The Emperor said that the two reason she created a mortal avatar were 1) rescue Leman Russ and any other Primarchs the Emper-Mazov may come across and 2) send an emissary to the birth of Ynnead. And guess who's also going to be at the birth of Ynnead? Magnus, because he's helping Cegorach in exchange for access to the Black Library. Leman and Magnus are going to be in for a serious therapy session.

Which book is that in? I gotta read it immediately​@@jagnestormskull3178

True, It was a hardcore decition.

Makes me think of this time when the Lion killed a Dark Angels Chaplain in a moment of rage. :/

@@Archon3960 true. And that did come back to haunt him. In Dreadwing, we see the loss of trust and paranoia, that the high command of the First now feels towards their Lord.

Was his love for his sons a flaw though? The Emperor would and did sacrifice all for humanity's sake, Magnus would and did sacrifice all for the sake of his sons. And both knew this.

yea but they could be saved, an elder did save a thousond son

Also Vulkan. You killed my son. You are not friend. But that line really gained a lot of weight and meaning now that the Magnus story arc has been completed.

Magnus: THAT WAS LORGAR GODSDAMNIT!!!

"BRUDDAH!"

@@georgesadler7520 I'll just leave this here - That was Magnus - Magnus ... - THAT ... WAS ... LORGAAAAAR!!! - 🦵😡🕳

@@georgesadler7520 Kitten: Please don’t make Magnus angry.

*holds him*

Wow the blue berrys actually did it?

The Fabulous Custodes will hold him. Aya aya aya !!!!!

@@itspetz7421 likely because their gellar field was off all the daemons and defenses on Sortiarius assumed the ship is empty and taken over by chaos because no one is stupid enough to fly into eye of terror without a working gellar field so they could get nice and close to him form there i guess blanks would work to disorient Magnus long enought for Canto Sihtarius to knock him out with a bonk on the head, before he is packed into box.

"Crikey, Companion! This cute lil' Sheila has a real attitude!"

*hug some sense into him**

@@stephaniehaney736 Vulkan *LIVES STOMP STOMP*

If there is anything left of Magnus himself.

@@OmniGSage there is always something lefr of all the corrupted Primarchs, the problem is getting those halfs of them to realize they can pull themselves out of the void, with help obviously. In Magnuses case, he has shown that he is more than capable of coming back to the light, but he has to make his choice of leaving his children behind, until he realizes that they have been taken by chaos and arent really his sons anymore, he will stay on the side of chaos, in a way, he is stuck in a endless cycle of lies by chaos and is under a belief that they are still the ones he loved.

It depends on what brother goes after him, vulkan and guilliman are honestly the only ones who might have a shot at getting Magnus back from chaos.

God I hope that he returns with Magnus' soul and brings about his redemption. Hell if GW really wants to he can be a set-piece to bringing back all the warp lost primarchs too in another era-defining turn like Cadia. This of course would need its equal weight against the Imperium, likely from Chaos stepping it up again or the Necrons stepping it up with the Silent King

bro, you're on to something here.. after watching this video, I'm really hoping those fragments of Magnus will factor in a redemption... of sorts.. but not yet.. some grimdark needs to be kept tho.

He's gone man. Magnus ain't coming back

@@macfin4862 maybe. what if the roboutian heresy loyalists joined (at their time of istvaan 5)

New series: If the emperor had a functioning brain.

@@burntham113 "If the Emperor had a text-to-speech device" is just that lol

This FACT you just dropped makes me hate the emperor so much more.

Yeah for World Eaters and Iron Warriors maybe.... not so much for the Salamanders (who were allowed to retain their previous astartes lives and visit their families and such and never questioned the love of their father) or the Ultramarines or Blood Angels. I agree that Magnus was a good father/primarch but there were others. Salamanders probably had it most cushy.

@@blazednlovinit what I meant is the situation the Thousand sons were, in the eye of their primarch could easily have turned for worst, but it never did: all the chapters you mentioned were "adequate" to the eyes of their primarch, proud and standing as an example of pinnacle of humanity. Not so much for the thousand sons, plagued by the flesh change since the begin, never able to grow more then a current large chapter, while other had legions. The leading reason for him keeping delving in the immaterium was to find a cure for his sons, not just for the sake of knowledge. He was desperate for a cure and this is the driving factor for his will to save any library or knowledge he found, even when this meant clashing with Russ or Konrad. Magnus affect was greater and more human then what either Corax or Sanguinius had shown for their doomed sons. He went further; he went deeper; he damned his soul for the sake of his son, even when offered the option (a tempting one) to get back to his own father side, letting his sons die. How easily could their weakness be source of contempt for Maguns looking at what other legions were? How possible a treatment like the "decimation" imposed by Angron and Perturabo could have been the outcome? You feel the care and the concern of Maguns in so many situations: after he helps Numeon to reach Vulkan on Nocturne piercing the storm created by Lorgar, Amon asked: ‘Why alone? ‘I could have helped.’ ‘No, you would have been long dead by now.’ Even while speaking with Numeon, what he wants to hear is what his true relation with Vulkan was, how much had he been willing to sacrifice, as this was something he could respect, even in what could possibly be an enemy Maguns never put any of his son willingly in a situation above their strength, even for his own sake.

@@Leptospirosi So true. Even after turning to a deamon prince, he still forgave his sons and also asked them to forgive him. His deamonhood didn't affect his love for his sons, he accepted the price of damnation of it meant his children get to live. His love for them grew stronger and bigger after submitting to chaos, he was then more willing to do anything to save them knowing the horrors that might resurface and come for them Just look at the new kingdom he built in real space for every psycher across the galaxy so they can live without being hunted, burned, or tortured, like what happened to them at Prospero, his sons, and the murder of billions innocent prosperine psyker citizens.

Vulkan : GIVE YOUR BROTHA A PROPA HUG!

This plot point is so much better than the old idea that he became a daemon prince when he was dying and cast the spell to teleport his legion when Russ broke him. Because it was a brother who cared for him who did it, rather than one who dispised him.

This would've hurt Magnus more if it were the khan

@@augustuslunasol10thapostle he or sanguinius, the two who stood closest to him during the trial against psykers

he's a better father then the emperor.

Yeah... How many of his sons did he allow to die by letting Russ onto his planet so easily?

@@____________838 but why did he do that? Because he saw that if he didn’t it would result in the death of both Legions. Not to mention he eventually went out to fight alongside his sons soon after. He had an actual reason, something that Big E did not.

@@praetorian9823 the true reason for Magnus to delay his participation on combat was to buy some time for the secret books to escape in some of the ships he despatch earlier. Some of those books where intercepted. Magnus offer his sons as sacrifice for his library, bis one true love.

Remember when Magnus doomed the galaxy forever? I remember... the universe remembers.

Aye, Graham MCneill is truely the father of the Thousand sons and Magnus.

The Emperor was a complete arse. Especially after most of his sons were slaughtered. Not to mention the citizens of Prospero. I would be standing right beside Magnus because the Emperor is a selfish man-child. And considering how much Emps and Malcador could see. Well. It makes them both selfish.

But I sure as shit like to kill them when they piss me off.

@@thesmilinggun-knight9646 the trick is to wait until daddy drinks his fifth of "happy juice"🥃

@@orin2706 the 'happy juice' in this case being daemon or space wolf tears.

@@thesmilinggun-knight9646 Shaken...not stirred

@@thesmilinggun-knight9646 or whenever Russ is coming... I'll kill my sons, I'LL KILL EM GOOD!

And that hope feeds Tzeentch. Praise Change!

Dude this is 40k not Star Trek hope is only a comforting lie.

"Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment." Isador Akios

@@crypticgaming2022 "STC'S that can cure all flaws and diseases, which the drukhari stole in recent times exists." Emps just gave up hope when cure is out there, He and the Selenar can't but the STC Artificial Intelligence and storage banks can cure the genetic flaw of the thousand sons. There are so many ways to cure them and he just gave up like that. There was nothing that can stop golden age humans, not even diseases or xenos. Colonies were genetically modifying themselves everytime like it was normal, gene-tch stc's analyze dangerous pathogens, mutations, virus, genetic human flaws, and provided cures to all of these. That is why humanity can live in every environment, that is why Mortarion found people existing in toxic planets especially like that of his planets. STCs can cure the ts, humans were even creating modified virus that can kill a world in just a few days, every gene flaws can be cured.

@@crypticgaming2022 Current Imperium needs to stop being dumb and proceed to create STCs that strictly revolves around Emperor of Mankind How is that even hard? Maybe not for the greed and incompetence of Games Workshop over non-plastic toys projects for most of the times, but certainly can open sense to the part of W40K that baffles the smart fans like Commissar Gamza

He can’t, the very definition of corruption is when he decided to reject his purpose.

@@giocrypt5148 I know 😢

I wish we had more non-chaos renegade factions. That would be a neat spin to Magnus's character. And others, too. Everything is either imperium or chaos, It'd be fun to see more... just, none of the above.

@@lenkagamine4145 the Iron Woriors would fit very well with the renegade them they had no-one but themselves at this point and I believe they needed to finally be free and made there own future with there own rules

@@NP3GA Perturabo is a daemon prince, so they have allegiance to Chaos Undivided. I mean it would be cool to have renegade chapters who were fully opposed to both the imperium and chaos.

Then Ahriman turned his brothers into dust :(

The Emperor knew it was futile.

Well, he wants to be a better father than the one he had, despite some fuck ups.

You mean his soulless buckets of sand?

@@giocrypt5148 Which means, that he wanted Magnus there in his throne room, despite knowing it to be futile. Makes you wonder what might happen in that regard some 10-12k years in the future......Magnus still possesses Revelation's ring after all.

Who's the other one?

Vulcan if they are referencing the story

@@keenancollett6465 Ah ok.

It was all chess match, every interaction. Plotted and poked into position. Technically couldn't he gather up a bunch of chaos and purge the chaos out of them? I mean he did it to Horus.

@Malachi Cui the final plan for the emperor is either to have a fullt psychic humanity or a fully normal humanity, aside from the custodes, primarchs and astartes alike will eventually be thrown away once their job is completed

I’m pretty sure there’s no universe where “these sons suck, let’s kill them all and then get some new ones” is going to go over well, no matter what.

@Malachi Cui yeah, somehow the emperor knew whoever became warmaster would fall, but refused to believe magnus when he told him what he expected to happen already did. The emperor is amazing sometimes but it’s times like this that make me wonder why he’s in charge. He’s smart enough to plot 20k years ahead but not smart enough to recognize the truth when he hears it. Ironic

@Malachi Cui oh yeah, the emperor is an egotistical maniac with no actual connection to the species he is “protecting” Which I guess makes sense with the theme of warhammer but that doesn’t make the emperor a compelling character in my opinion. Tbh the emperor is probably the most overrated character in all of 40k.

The reason Horus and Magnus' situations were somewhat different is because the flesh change seems to be a Geneseed thing. The Emperor gave the best offer he could give in that moment, they were in the middle of the Siege with the enemy kicking down the gates. They were fighting with 3 legions against 7, they were fighting to keep the daemons back in the Webway and Big E was also fighting an ethereal battle with Horus and the chaos gods in the Warp. I'm thinking they were going to be sent on one last mission either into the battlefield or the Webway, killing countless demons or traitors in glory before being cut down. They were dying anyway, their Geneseed was killing them, at least this way their death could've meant something greater than themselves or the Legion. No one notes that the Big E was looking at the bigger picture and all of humanity when Magnus cared more for his sons instead. Funnily enough Leeman did the same thing when he sacraficed damn near his whole Legion to get to Horus and fight him. He understood he needed to do it for humanity....

Or it's irrelevant because he's back alive now. So his death actually is literally irrelevant.

@@maxgaj3015 jajajaja true.

@@maxgaj3015 what?

@@NueThunderKing he was revived in the same story, before this conversation

What max said also, the life of 1 doesn't outweigh the life of the entire universe, even if it is your best friend of 30,000 years. The job comes first, not your emotions. Which is something the emperor has been trying to drive into the thick cerimite skulls of his sons. Yes their his children and he loves them, but he loves all of humanity more, and they are more lost than his -20- 18 sons... the job comes first.

the remaining sons of Magnus was the cost to have his betrayal forgiven even if they could have been cured The Emperor would have still made their deaths the price for forgiveness

@@azrael1045 Then that is no forgiveness at all! That is punishment.

@@whythelongface64 or Penance

@@azrael1045 No, Emps wanted them dead because he thinks there is no saving them and not as payment for forgiveness. He could have just as easily told Magnus to just cryostasis his sons or some form of hibernation and get on the throne so they might still find a way to cure them in the future, but no he wants to thunder warriors the shit out if them.

@@azrael1045 Penance is punishment. The emperor should've known better than to ask Magnus to foresake his sons. He could have asked him to lead them into the heat of battle as punishment though

Probably, to Magnus, the difference is condemning innocent sons to death, compared to killing a son that just committed a murder in front of him and disobeyed his direct orders by doing so.

@@probablythedm1669 yes I considered this angle, along with him also being devastated by what just occurred - shard being gone and him killing his “uncle”. In the end though, it just doesn’t feel very consistent to me. He completely annihilated his own son (someone he apparently would never betray in favor of joining the emperor), over an impulsive act - killing someone who really meant nothing to Magnus. Chastisement or some other similar punishment would be more fitting IMO.

@@Szminsky that is chaos and humanity in action, even as demigods we are full of incoherence.

I don't know if you mean the one that magnus killed in his tower, on prospero, the one that discovered everything that Magnus did, from Magnusses lapse, but yeah Magnus killed on of his sons, on Prospero too.

This is going to give birth to a lot of new theories. Why did the Emperor chase Magnus away? Why was he preparing for the Horus Herecy? What is the "new and more powerful legion"?

@@Kareszkoma lol so true. here is another theory. the emperor left the flesh change in the thousand sons , so the legion would die out and Magnus could devote himself completely to golden throne post great crusade.

@@elfdrow6679 ._ . so thats why he knows it's uncureable... damn. Thats dark and very cruel.

@@elfdrow6679 STC that can cure all diseases even genetic flaws exists, stc databanks that contain all kinds of gene analysis and can provide solutions to gene flaws exists, drukhari stole some of them quickly when word got out to the them that humans had this level of technology.. Emperor used ancient human tech and biomancy to create them, he knows there is cure and he just lied. He knows stc's out there that can cure them can be found, he said "I can prject myself light years away if only I am not bound by the webway breach"- meaning he watched many human civilizations and observed their tech during the golden age, he already has knowledge on how those ancient humans basically cured every genetic flaw, diseases, virus, etc, fuckin emps just gave up on curing them how cruel.

No really info that knew his decision. He knows many, but not all, and his sons decisions are among things that are half-mystery to him.

Of all the servers of chaos, I like him the most because he shows that good intentions can still lead to a horrible end. Warhammer isn't good v evil. It's order v chaos. Both sides can be good or evil.

@@austintracey9368 the road to hell is paved with good intentions. That's magnus's tragedy.

Grimdark

Tbf, if any of the traitors _deserve_ redemption, it's Magnus. Of course, 40k isnt fair, so

@@minnumseerrund I know but that's what I love about it. Every other setting is always how are the good guys going to win and it's never in question. With Warhammer you're not even sure there are good guys and when there is occasionally a good moment it's a thousand times more impactful

Totally, no way even a boosted Horus takes big e in a 1v1. He was almost bested by the angel. Big e was tricked and got stabbed in the heart for it. No wonder nowadays in the 41st he is so. Cold. Horus took his heart out. Thats what papa smurf saw when he returned

Tbh, Horus already lost to Leman. Russ just couldn’t cull another brother after already losing 3. Lost Forgotten & Fulgrim

@@HammarPwnsYourFace Tbf we know Russ is one of the top dogs *drum noises* of the primarchs. But I agree even a boosted Horus wouldn’t do that much damage to the big E

@Miguel Mauro So was Be’lakor, yet he has done jack shit with it... one would think if you had that power you could accomplish something...

@Miguel Mauro The question is if Horus was so powerful, was he toying w the Angel and got his Weakness exposed to allow big E the ability to destroy him? Ffs Horus(boosted) just fought Leman and lost, relatively not that long before the final battle. All could have been avoided had he just taken the cut and finished him. Damn the feels he had and couldn’t put them aside for the greater dream. Maybe the 4 really did boost the f out of Horus to not allow that to happen again. That would explain alot more. Horus being able to out-do the pre-cog abilities of the Angel in battle would be something. Only Curze had greater pre-cog abilities showed at that time, outside of E himself. Id like to know that in his last efforts that he(the angel) made the chink in the armor that is the United gods of chaos to allow E to win out.

The Emperor of Mankind did that to the Thunder Warriors, and Magnus probably heard about that fiasco... or Tzeench would have given him that image. Tzeentch: And where did that take you? Right back to me. I am truly Inevitable, JUsT As pLaNnEd!!!"

That is a completely normal reaction lol

#TTSSHOULDBECANON

But the Captain General owns Magnus's soul

@@CrazyDutchguys Kitten will be much more likely to release the soul if you ask him nicely. It does simplify matters yes.

Is it a fanfiction?

@@akgk6669 yeah I'm wondering that to whwn is this happening if it's true

@@thewildcardperson now ive seen the hole thing i know its not the case

@@akgk6669 yeah honestly good false twist

@@thewildcardperson indeed

This is to my mind the best part of this scene, since teases out wonderfully the arrogance of Magnus. If the Emperor cannot save them, what makes Magnus think that he can? After all the mistakes he made during the Heresy, all the times he spurned the advice of others, did all those things that proved utterly inadequate; what makes him think that he can save his legion when the Emperor can't?

@@lolgirlamongus7170 Holy Hell, I never thought of it like that. Magnus just refused to accept that his Legion was doomed. And what's worse is, because he turned down The Emperor, they're forever remembered as traitors, when they could've gotten a noble death and rebirth. Instead, most of them are now dust automatons or mutated madmen so far removed from the scholars they used to be.

@@lolgirlamongus7170 this one got It right.

@@lolgirlamongus7170 They both can't but they can find a way together, after ten thousand years cures that can fully reverse the flesh change and the rubric appeared just look at Ynnead's power bringing Guilliman back to life and returning the rubric Marines to life. He could have offered to stasis the TS, trap their souls in artefacts like Magnus' tome and have them posses new space marine bodies or hibernate them to give Magnus hope because hope did come in 41k, a cure presented itself meaning there is true hope and salvation for them.

@@lolgirlamongus7170 I think that was one of the only scenes where Magnus wasn’t arrogant. He was desperate. Think about all he gave up to save his sons, the fights, turning on many of the brother’s he cared deeply for. He had to watch his homeworld die, all because he wanted to save them. Then he finally meets the man who “ordered” his execution, yet still offers Magnus a second chance... if he kills his sons, the same sons that he literally sacrificed everything for. He wasn’t being arrogant, he was a parent, who was just told he had to kill his children. Even if they were truly lost to chaos, could you truly say that you’d murder your own kids just to be “forgiven”?

Yes let them pass out in peace Peace: [Tzeenchian chaos spawn constantly mutating, spewing purple fire and emanating psychic fuckery against his once allies]

@@blazednlovinit yes, but you can still not put them into battle, you can just quarantine them somewhere else and deal with them like you would with a sick person. It's still good for the battle because at least those same guys won't be fighting for the enemy.

@@blazednlovinit STC that can cure all gene flaws and diseases exists, Drukhari even stole some of them. Emps just gave up, and forced them to even more sorcery when human tech can be found buried with data banks that can analyze and cure the gene mutation of the thousand sons.

I believe the Yanari leader cured some of the Rubrics just to show Ahriman it could be done!

Well done on getting back into employment mate :)

@Blazednlovinit. Thank you very much brother

A hard choice, one that the Emperor and Malcador could make but the primarchs are to human to do. I belive the Emperor tried but in the end it was hopless.

Makes since like alot of since that Gray Knights are purified magnus's kids

Or the blood ravens ;)

@@carlstanford7607 i suspect the blood ravens are loyalist word bearers

Grey Knights arent a legion and I think 40k theories already did a video on this :)

Plainly Grey Knights, since legion is the norm at this time regardless of size.

With an offer no true father could agree on. So Well written👍

Agreed huts you right in the feels

The Emperor didn't offer Magnus redemption, he offered Magnus a Faustian pact. Magnus's greatest wish in exchange to that which he values most. Magnus's rejection of his greatest wish for the good of his sons was the true first step to redemption for the way he failed them at Prospero.

@@jagnestormskull3178 he did offer him redemption for wrecking his webway project and ignoring the counsel. However he could not save Magnus's legion as it was too tainted but he would make him a new one. The Emperor never wanted Magnus destroyed or his legion just brought back to Terra to awnser for his wrongs.

@@eichler721 Killing your children doesn't redeem you. That's not how redemption works. Magnus failed his sons at the Battle of Prospero; he did not fail them in the Emperor's Throne Room. Tearing a hole into the Imperial Webway was necessary with the information that Magnus had at the time. Magnus and Ahriman searched for years for Webway Gates, but found only Gates destroyed by other Legions. If the Emperor had listened to what Magnus had to say, rather than telling him to shut up because he violated the Edict of Nikaea, the Horus Heresy could have been aborted.

Magnus: Where are the Custodies? Emper: I have sent them away. They were trying to rub my abs with body oil!

With his staff gripped in fury, Magnus towered over the seated form of the Emperor. Magnus finally falters and lowers both his staff and head. "No balls" - whispers the Emperor into Magnus' mind.

I thought it was particularly good. Heavy on the emotions, not so much on the actual attacks. It works for me.

Well Magnus vs Vulkan Is like mage against tank, so the More to imagination the better, but Lion & Curze were both vicious killers and renown Warriors so More detail Is better.

Yes. The Horus heresy series is canon and have not shy away from retconning certain events. Can’t wait for the final book where it’s theorize that Sanguinius actually beat Horus and the Emperor was forced to kill Black Rage Sanguinius.

I love Magnus, but he is a nerd :P

@@blazednlovinit maybe like most nerds he's a late bloomer

@Abe Froman no he is not he just let his nature get the best of him and the love for his sons

@Abe Froman the Emperor could have just ended Horus and instead reasoned with him.

I play thousand sons and love magnus but i have to admit, some of his mistakes were made entirely because his head was too far up his own arse. Of course he was being manipulated by Tzeentch all along but he isnt without blame for his own fate and the fate of his sons, including what happened with Ahriman and the Rubric, which only happened because of Magnus' inaction.

@@vontheunknown7982 Muppet!!

@@lay-hannowway8943 no😐😐😐

Jonathan Keeble is the GOAT! such emotion in that last confrontation!

Every time I read one of Magnus' lines I can't help but think of him saying it with his TTS voice :)

Sanguinius being killed by Big E. after black-raging the sh8t out of Horus maybe? 😀