Regional One ( aka The Med ) is the only level one trauma center within 150 miles of Memphis. The problem in Chicago is not the lack of care it's the overwhelming amount of violence.
I'm an EMT in Baltimore and have been for 4 years. I'm really disappointed that Vice did not go into the overwhelmed hospital staff of these trauma centers there are so many variables involved.
There is a pretty valid reason for not wanting to open a level 1 trauma center on the south side of Chicago, and I don't think it was mentioned in the video, but someone should probably bring it up.. Most of the people that will come into any level 1 trauma center on the south side, probably will not be able to pay any medical bills they receive as a result of a shooting, and they either have no insurance, or state subsidized insurance, which means that the hospital will not receive payment for services rendered. Even if they have state subsidized insurance, most states setup the highest dollar amount they will pay to any hospital, regardless of whether or not that amount actually covers the cost of the services provided by the hospital. Both of these things mean that either A.) the hospital never gets paid for a lengthy hospital stay for some gang member who got shot for acting foolish (granted, this logic doesn't apply to innocent bystanders, but that's just a tragedy. Tragedies happen all the time) or B.) the hospital could end up getting paid less than the cost of the services they rendered in saving some foolish gang member's life. Neither of these options is beneficial to a hospital, which, at the end of the day, is still a business (albeit an essential one) that is trying to at least stay in the black. To me, it seems that the focus should not be on the fact that the south side needs a trauma center, the focus should be on the fact that the south side needs a cosmic shift in the way it stems gang violence, and the way it deals with all these kids shooting each other. That should be the story. Not that a bunch of old business men do not want to open a trauma center that will OBVIOUSLY not be profitable, or at the very least self-sufficient.
+Mario Saltalamacchia but what you are not saying is that US hospitals overprice everything by 10xs or more. If service A costs X in Canada or Europe and 10x in USA, there is something wrong with the system that allows -Us hospitals to set these stupid high prices
The black community needs to stop the violence in their own communities. I know it's not simple and there's a lot of outside factors. But they need to take action.
+Patrick Morrison You are clearly dumb enough to compare civilians to public servants (cops) there job is to SERVE and PROTECT, not murder unarmed under false pretenses.
In normal circumstances 6 fucking trauma centers is probably enough but it's the volume of shootings that the actual problem. Don't spend money on new facilities rather try to fix the gang problem chiraq.
+nicolas meza Or just have gun control, but you guys still think its #peoplekillpeople, and then go onto poorly fund mental health care systems. So essentially your saying no, dont ban guns because people kill people, but then dont go onto help said 'people' and the problem doesn't get fixed. It matters little for me in AUS, i can walk around at night and not fear being shot at.
+ray hanes HAHAHAHA AUS is Australia mate last I checked that wasn't in Europe. But sure whatever enjoy your right to defend yourself, while I sit here with my affordable health care and almost nonexistent gun violence.
Jav Tiss but you still got violence and theft. Don't bullshit me. You guys got it fucked up. Gun violence is nearly non existent in America, Just not in the poorest parts and Idgaf about the poor.. I'm black so don't try to call me a racist.
+They call me $-money Yeah, obviously the gun control isn't strict enough, so we need more gun control. Within every sarcasm lies a hint of truth. Shame that most people don't realize the irony of their statements.
Oh yes just take away all the scary guns and nobody will kill each other with guns hurr hurr. Look at how well thats worked for Europe in the last year. Shame sarcastic statements really don't have a "hint of truth" within them.
They call me $-money It's actually worked quite well in Europe, not quite sure what your getting at. Indeed, I also said that most people don't realize the irony.
They call me $-money If that's your issue, you don't care about gun control at all, rather you're using it as a platform to spout phobia towards Islam. Or maybe your addressing terrorism in general, in which case, you should look elsewhere, Muslims in non-Muslim countries make up an extreme minority of terrorist acts. For example, in America, most terrorist acts are carried out by white people. You're right about one thing, there is a lot of tension between races and culture. Gun culture especially is popular in the South and Midwest. I heard they have *quite* a lot of tension with people there. Do you see what I'm saying with the lack of realization of irony here?
***** Yeah.... no. top 22 gun death related states are all states that don't require a permit to buy or own a gun. States like: Alaska, Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas, Montana, Wyoming, Oklahoma, New Mexico, Tennessee, South Carolina, Missouri.... I could go on. All of those states have about 15 gun related deaths per 100,000 people. Very weak laws on gun ownership.
"I think people have always thought about trauma care in this very pathological, stereotypical kind of way. If you get shot, you must have done something wrong." Yup. Case in point-the comments section of this very video.
F̶E̶A̶R̶ CALIXTE -- The pastor at the end of the video specifically said that gang-bangers and drug dealers deserve the exact same medical care that anyone else deserves. That's what I was contesting.
F̶E̶A̶R̶ CALIXTE Sure, there are a small percentage of blacks that do well in modern society. The ones I know at my university are a good example. However, if you look at the crime and incarceration statistics, as well as other quality of life indicators, you can see that the majority of blacks (for their population size, at least) act that way.
This is very sad but it's not just gun shot trauma and I recent the bias of this reporting. It's any kind of trauma that requires emergency surgery, life saving measures that require certain and very expensive measures. Stabbings, accidents, suicide, beatings, anything that requires immediate action. A trauma center is set up to provide things like O neg blood supplies in stock, surgical suites in state of readiness and that includes trauma surgeons AT the hospital on call etc. This is very expensive. The hospital I worked at on the south side often had to declare the ED closed to emergencies due to over whelming demands on available supplies and personal. Money is God and if you don't have the tribute, you can't get the mercy.
I'm a paramedic in south Denver and we have 4 level one trauma care hospitals within a 15 mile area, 35 minutes is too long for a GSW patient to be in route, but it is still within the "golden hour"
I believe that the community of Chicago Illinois should come together and protest the amount of shootings rather than force a financial burden on the University of Chicago. I don't know what the answer is but building more trauma centers doesn't seem to be the answer. To many innocent people are victems of the violence in Chicago Illinois and the people need to address the situation first.
Doctors, nurses, and EMTs give enough to society. You cannot expect them to work in a war zone, too. Let's see, supermarkets won't open up in these neighborhoods, restaurants won't open up in these neighborhoods, shopping malls won't open up in these neighborhoods...and even hospitals won't. Don't y'all think YOU HAVE A PROBLEM???? Until you have worked in one of these settings as a medical professional and been threatened, cussed at, spat on, hit or otherwise assaulted....or been afraid to walk to your car after a shift...fear of being raped, mugged, shot or stabbed...you will never know. I'm not sacrificing my life for a community that has such little respect for their lives. Sorry.
+Zane Woodward i am a liberal/progressive minded individual but yea,i agree.that was the first thing that popped into my mind as well.if it wasn't for all the innocent bystanders getting shot as well i would say fuck em....
+AirFlow Be it may, but WOC are often called ugly when we're not. I personally don't care what you or anyone else thinks of me, but I don't want my younger sisters or future daughters not loving themselves because society's standard of beauty seems to only hold a white women in high regards.
It's not about the shootings, it's about healthcare access. You can tell the people commenting on this video have no medical experience whatsoever. I'm an EMT, and I'm in school to become a trauma surgeon (still a decade to go, at best). First of all, let's look at the gunshot victims. Yeah, I agree, we need to get our shit together and annihilate the gangs responsible for Chicago's violence, but it's not just gangbanging motherfuckers being shot. It's children. It's police officers. It's innocent people too. You're going to consign those people to death in the back of the ambulance because you're not going to open a trauma center in the proper area? Really? Moreover, it's not just gunshot victims that need trauma centers. It's victims of car accidents. Serious falls. Attempted suicides. Victims of assaults. Burns. Anything that causes severe, multisystemic injury. Many of those incidents are entirely unrelated to gun violence, but those people are dying too. In New Jersey, where I work, the rule of thumb is generally to call for helicopter evacuation to a trauma center if the trauma center is 20 or more minutes away. From my town, the nearest Level 1 trauma center is about 15 minutes down the highway, traveling with lights and sirens. In Chicago, they're talking about a 35 minute ambulance ride, on a good day. That's ridiculous. I see a lot of people on here bitching about how "blah blah blah you can't build another hospital". Well, that's great. Because there's actually a massive hospital already on the South Side, in the form of the University of Chicago medical center. Adding a trauma center would cost money, yeah. But it would also bring prestige to the school, create a new training hospital for surgeons of all types, and save hundreds of lives, not just gangbangers, but those innocent victims of trauma incidents unrelated to gun violence. You guys really don't think that's worth it?
+MegaMosh101 So, you are going to accept 60-70k a year as a trauma surgeon, so everyone can have access to healthcare or are you going to have me pay for it? There is a reason you are upgrading from EMT, and it isn't out of good will... Trauma Surgeon 360k a year... EMT 31k a year ... You basically want everyone else to pay for overpriced over regulated medical training. If we want to lower the cost of medical treatment, then we increase the supply, and we do that by fast tracking medical training starting in HighSchool, so students can earn credits earlier for Medical School... However, you wouldn't like that huh? We can look at the UK as an example...
stu Give you a break with what? We're the most powerful nation on Earth. It's frankly embarrassing that there is a lack of first world healthcare access in one of our major cities. Even if there were absolutely no gangs in Chicago, the south side would need a trauma center.
***** The university is paying for it. While I'm sure it gets government subsidies, those would be happening either way. So this sort of thing doesn't cost taxpayers a dime.
Astro Aquanaute I don't know what your point is, but yeah, we can look at the NHS in the UK as an example. That's 3 years to get a BS, 5 years to complete medical school, and 6 years in residency (14 years total). In the US it's 4 years for a BS, 4 years medical school (sometimes 3), and 5 years in residency. That's 11 years total. So training is actually faster. In the UK, the average trauma surgeon's salary depends on seniority, while in the US it really doesn't change too much, but the average UK trauma surgeon makes about £120,000, or $180,000. In the US, the average trauma surgeon makes closer to $250,000. So yeah, there's a difference, but it's not nearly as big as you're suggesting. If I really wanted to make the big bucks, in either country, I'd be studying banking. By the way, most EMTs in the United States are volunteers, because our government simply doesn't want to pay for medical services, either at the street or the hospital level. I make zero dollars a year for my work, I work a separate job and volunteer as an EMT on 3-4 night shifts a week. So careful before you go questioning my "good will" there bud, my interest in the medical field actually stems from wanting to make a difference with the time I've got.
I dont get how not having hospitals is what is seen as the problem. Its understandable why, its said in the video the facilities can't stay open since the people getting shot bankrupt the place. "Tired of seeing my friends die" So instead of complaining about what is killing your friends, you blame something that isn't the cause... K
+Stranded in Utah Do you really think anybody cares enough to give money to this problem? If that was the case, would this video even be made? Nobody cares, you can see in the comments that some of these people even want others to suffer, for whatever insane reason.
+BLK MN Want them to suffer because of racism. What else? If these were residents living in the heart of Idaho wanting the same, these racists and sellouts would be singing a whole different tune.
+BLK MN The people protesting seem to care. That's who should be raising the money. It's just weird that instead of trying to solve the problem they go and protest and ask someone else to solve the problem for them. Think about how messed up that thinking really is. Instead of doing what must be done to fix our community we will scream and yell and act helpless until some decides to take pity on us. The thought process is all wrong. It is the thought process of a child. I want or need X so I will have a tantrum till I get it. Think, "If we don't get it, shut it down." The worst mindset is often right after the government kills someone. The government just killed person X, the reporter asks, "What can be done?" The response is, "We need the government to provide more programs." Hello, you are asking the government that is shooting and jailing to provide the solution. WTF?
+Mz Feisty It's not because of race. It's because most of the people who are shot are gangbangers. Gangbangers dying saves innocent lives and saves the taxpayers money on the cost of jailing the piece of shit. Gangbangers come in all races and they are useless to all races.
+Mike Diesel people have no idea what it's like to be working in a scene with people all around getting more and more agitated and aggressive, let alone have to deal with patient care, which, of this nature is incredibly strenuous and difficult
+tom d blame the hospital, blame the gun, blame the policy, blame white people for not paying for it, blame everything but the shooter because if you blamed the shooter you'd be considered a racist.
Chicago should definitely have a Trauma Center. One of the biggest places in the whole area for hospitals. They are always adding more stuff to that place has been in construction forever.
When to community around a hospital does not care enough about each other that a hospital goes so far in the red (lose money) that they have to shut down a trauma center says something. Stop committing crimes against one another and put down your guns and stop shooting each other and you wont need a gun shot unit at every corner, got a liqueur store on every corner and a drug dealer in a lambo but can't afford to pay your hospital bills to keep it in business....
I think it's important to understand 1) WHY they're not putting trauma centers in (and they're fair reasons) 2) WHY are all these shootings happening. You won't need trauma centers if you don't have as many shootings. At the end of the day, you can't have hospitals that cant at the very least, sustain themselves financially. People can't work for free, they need to be paid and supplies need to be bought.
So am I the only person here that sees the focus here is on problem substation ability instead of correction? Why isn't the outcry here to correct the behavior that causes this instead of helping it last longer?
+typheran1 because black lives matter and when you bring up the cause of these problems, and specifically who is behind the shootings, you're considered racist
None of these people said "you know, it'd be great if people just stopped shooting each other around here" but no it was all "why dont they take care of people? they get shot they should have the best care right down the street because this is where everyone gets shot". It's alarming the lack of self awareness.
+Nick Sanfilippo You don't need to. There are countless of magazines, newspapers, advertisements, TV shows, outdoors, you name it, bombarding it to everyone everywhere and every day. No need for a shirt. The problem is exactly that the information that "white women are beautiful" is bombarded so hard into everyone's mind that black girls start to think they'll never be beautiful, or that in order to be beautiful they have to have white girls' hairs, or white girl's bodies, etc. And that's pretty fucked up.
+MECFS White girls are the most beautiful. That's why all other races emulate them. Quite being a racist, tin foil hat wearing, race card pulling, "victim"....
+Jack Bor There's beauty everywhere in this world, it's sad if you can't see it. Maybe you're just another lemming brainwashed by mainstream media. I'm no victim, I'm white as white come. It's just that I'm not stupid either: My eyes and ears are open to more than conservative USA and European views have to offer. There's more to the world, much more. And I'm not even saying I don't have my "taste" regarding women either. But I'm not stupid enough to think that my taste should apply to everyone and to the whole world. That's an idiotic claim to a wholly different level of idiocy and blindness to the world.
MECFS actually I was just talking about having a shirt that says white women are beautiful! Not what society and the world believes is true beauty... I think all ethnicitys are beautiful so fuck it
As a Brit I'm always surprised by the degree to which healthcare is monetised in the US. Here you can get fantastic treatment all over the country and there is no cost... just seems like there is a disparity...
Josh, we pay taxes that cover our NHS and other government funding programmes. We just don't pay when we go to the doctors or get a receipt that's all.
it makes me absolutely sick to my stomach the way people can sit there and tell others how and where to spend their money. y'all don't need more trauma care centers, you need to stop shooting each other like idiots. if you don't want violence in your community and your friends getting shot then either fix the problem or get out.
Building a trauma center to deal with the shootings is like putting a napkin over dirty dishes and hoping they'll clean themselves. The real tragedy is the innocent bystanders of the violence
Omg I am so upset to see this because I was literally these guys that were shot. I moved to Chicago at 17 on my own for college. I was walking the streets all hours. This is so sad, I can't even believe it. Kevin Ambrose looks similar to me, and his college was right down the street from where I went to college. I also noticed that these young men could have possibly been Lgbt people like myself. This is an ongoing trend I'm noticing in the state of Illinois. All I can do is continue to pray and make my voice heard. God be with them.
Nobody is man enough to blame it on the gangs and the ones doing the shootings. They just wanna keep glorifying the gangs and acting like this is the governments fault. Anybody who doesn't hold the gangs accountable is part of the problem and needs to wake up.
Trauma centers aren't gonna "save lives." Rather than protesting for a stop gap, they should be working to improve socioeconomic status by creating opportunities in their disenfranchised communities to avoid people shooting each other in the first place. Even more so, to think a facility's financial cost should not be considered is naive. That's why the iron triangle of healthcare exists; there's availability of healthcare, quality of healthcare, and financial cost of healthcare. You can only have two at any given time while sacrificing the remaining third option.
+Renaldo Smith They like it there. It is strange. I met a woman who complained about being pressured to take a suburban housing choice voucher (basically free rent) location. The schools were outstanding, but she wanted to stay in the hood. She did not care one bit about her children's school or safety. It is really sad. We need to start making birth control a condition of any social welfare benefits (food stamps, housing choice vouchers, section 8,...). Once people get their lives together and support themselves, then they can have children. No child should be born into such situtations.
Garry Perkins people.have the freedom to.have kids even if they are bad patents, sadly. But we have the same problem here in Canada. People receiving free money for not working. They should be working by cleaning up garbabge along the streets, highways and there own areas. And they should be a time limit for this program like 10 year limit. And they should house them in building with shared bathrooms and dinner area. If they want privacy they can find a job and paid for it.
Exactly. Those two are up everyones ass when a Cop shoots an African American man. But God forbid they show up to the south side of Chicago to end violence. Oh no, they can file costly lawsuits there. No publicity or money to be made. OMG. I just figured out why there isnt a trauma center there now. BECAUSE THERE IS NO MONEY THERE. A neighborhood full of housing projects can't support a sophisticated hospital let alone a strong and present police force. Then at that point maybe investment opportunities will arrive. Then perhaps jobs. And maybe the killing will stop when people are working. DUH!! Moral of the story? You cant solve problems by throwing tax dollars there. Create a buisness friendly environment and things will slowly change for the better.
Wow. It's not disgusting that UC wont open a level 1 unit. Doctors aren't involved in those decisions and the people who DO make the decisions didn't take "the oath." Every gunshot case costs tens of not hundreds of thousands of dollars, even more when you need to hire staff. Think about solving other problems too like the lack of black parenting.
Yes, good health care is needed for everyone, but even more is the need to disarm this entire area of Chicago. It would not be like America anymore, but right now its like a war zone any way. If the people there are so hot headed and trigger happy with gangs, drama and violence, then maybe they do need to be fenced in, patrolled, and controlled until this problem dies down.
+Relentlessv2 Exactly but the stupid government would rather have the people do the dirty job for them so thats why they allow this to continue. Its like a cleanse for them like the movie The Purge but unlike the movie where it happens once a year this shit continues daily.
that's a awful idea. it would be the people against the police and national gaurd. I wouldn't put my soldiers lives on the line for some ghettos and declaring martial law on a major US city would look worse
If the community wants to keep it open they need to put pressure on the people who don't pay their bills and start fund raising to cover the loss. You prove you care by raising money year in year out. If you can't be bothered to raise money for it why should the University or anyone else care?
Trauma centers don't happen they are paid for. Didn't hear one of these people talk about paying for the hospital or any of the bills caused by the shootings. "Even if it takes a loss." Priceless.
How about Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, Warren Buffet start donating to stuff like this? They want to help the youth, and this is the most at risk youth in the country.
+Mason leave Gates out of this he has donated more than you can imagine to treatments of different diseases etc. The problems in Chicago are not rich peoples problems to deal with, there the politicians problems. So maybe the people in Chicago should try something different and stop voting for liberals and democrats which obviously is not working.
Don't miss the forest cause u can't see past the trees. The fact that so many of u believe that putting a price on someone's life is ok is appalling. BELIEVE THIS-- SS Chicago may have a big problem but they don't have the only problem. Where's your nearest trauma center? (You know they support more than gunshot wounds right?) Do you have your insurance card ready jic you need someone to care about your next breath? How about sustaining a decent quality of life when a medical issue threatens to bankrupt you? I believe there's an argument to be made that NO ONE should live in uncertainty. The only color that matters here is green and u may not be as far removed from this issue as you think.
No way there is a need for trauma centers. There is a need to hold people accountable. The only reason I can see how this is not fair is to the healthcare professionals. Chicago is a mess and it should not be rewarded for a trauma center
+Cole Ambroz I'm sorry BUT what about all of the people that are just at the wrong place at the wrong time??? what about the babies that are asleep in there cribs when some fucktard decides that they to do a drive by??? What about the non gang teenagers that are shot because there is a stray bullet??? WHAT ABOUT THEM??? WHY SHOULD THEY HAVE TO DIE IN AN AMBULANCE BECAUSE THERE IS NO TRAUMA CENTER CLOSE HUH??? What if it was your child or father or mother or grandmother or grandfather or your wife/girlfriend WHAT Would YOU have to say THEN??!!! Now yes there is a really bad problem with gangs in Chicago BUT NOT EVERY GUN SHOT VICTIM IS A GANG BANGER!!!!
+Matthew Gervais you ever been in the southside man? The southside has had community leaders from the police to pastors all the way to the current President of this country. They have had every party willing to help and the situation is as terrible as ever. The innocent bystanders which are apart of the community still have a say. The mothers, fathers and peers can change the community but have not stepped up. Adding a trauma center rewards behavior and lets the next generation continue violence in the area
Sounds like a band-aid measure that doesn't have anything to do with the root cause of violence in that area. Hospitals are businesses that have to make a profit in order to stay open, attract top medical professionals, do research, etc,. How many gun shot victims are even able to pay their resulting medical bills?
+The Grand Poobah Then illigal weapons from stolen/dead/sn erased what ever black marked guns. Its easy i gues with such high rate of firearms in the US.
+The Grand Poobah They dont protect you. Its your false feeling of being protected/secure but thats not the case. For example what will your gun do against a poisoned drink or bomb. Countless possibilities to getting killed. If someon want it he can do it. The effektiv way to get such a person is at the exchange point of the weapon trade/production. That increases the inhibition to do such a act and he needs more time where he can think about his doing.
Its the only way a regular citizen can defend themselves love ones and property. If you dont have a gun you set yourself up for being a victim to a sick persons will. You have no say anymore your that persons bitch they could kill/rape/assault with no real threat. Not arming yourself if negligent and just plain foolishness. Uour liberal views set you up for failure maybr even physical harm. Think logically..really..its a fucked up world with even more fucked up people.
Now that we goin have this trauma center close by we need to fight for more. I think we need a fulltime paramedic on every streetcorner. And a trauma surgeon every 3 blocks.
VICE News went to the South Side to see the consequences of the city's trauma-care desert, and to find out what's being done to change it. Watch "Institutionalized: Mental Health Behind Bars" - bit.ly/1T8NrAH
+VICE News Trauma care, is generally low profit, this is a cost vs people situation, trauma cases may not have insurance and the Trauma Center has to be able to afford to provide the needs of the community, in cases like this the State Level Government should put this into their budget and move forward.
No one is against trauma center. Big Question: Who's going to pay for it? City of Chicago collects taxes and owes these human services. it has numerous project where money is wasted. It should be directed toward trauma center. Suggestion: City of Chicago should subsidize UofC Trauma Center
+Ghastly Grinner Eh, visit the south and west sides. Of course The Loop and a majority of the North and NW neighborhoods are nice, but more than 75% of the neighborhoods have already seen a murder. I border a neighborhood (Austin) that already has 24 murders alone. More than 1,200 people shot this year, so I can definitely say it's a brutal war.
+Chicago Biker POV Yeah... No. If it was actually war, the gangs would be wiped out in a few days. Those pussies barely know which end of the gun the bullets come out of. The way I see it, it's human trash killing other human trash. Good riddance.
+pwrserge83 True, they do have shitty aim, but there's already 217 people dead this year. It may not be a war in context to 'tanks in the streets, bombs going off, etc', but it's certainly a war when it comes to gun violence. This may sound bad, but I really don't care if the gangs keep killing each other off, just keep the innocent out of it. Three or four days ago a guy was sitting in his home and was shot in the head from a stray bullet, that's the shit that pisses me off.
+Ghastly Grinner Yeah, it's cyclical, but just because your neighborhood has only seen two homicides, doesn't mean the entire city is like that. Humboldt Park has seen 11, Austin has seen 24, Englewood is at 20, Garfield Park is at 12, etc. Like I said, there are 1,253 people shot so far with 217 6 feet under. To me, that's a war. Just because you don't see it happening doesn't mean it actually isn't happening. I'm not trying to sound like a jerk, so I apologize if I am. I just am trying to explain that it's bad, and probably won't be getting better anytime soon.
+Mahad Ahmed It's the spin, bro. If they were just reporting, they would have mentioned the real problem. Da man better build us a trauma spot close to where we be shooting.. The amberlamps take too long.
My understanding of trauma team members are highly skilled individuals with an elite talent to work under extreme stress. If most blacks coming in have little to no insurance---why bother? The entitlement mentality is alive and well. Trauma team members have families to feed. Aren't we supposed to be a CAPITALISTIC society?
wow... just wow... beyond ignorant... just wow... this is what's wrong with society... people who only think of themselves and money... haven't you heard of the oath? doctors swear an oath to treat the sick and dying... so if you were a doctor and a drug dealer with no insurance was dying of a gunshot wound and your the only one who can save him and you don't because....? he can't pay you first? pretty fucked up... I suppose if you were a firefighter or paramedic off duty...someone needed cpr... you would just let them die because you're not getting paid... well I'm glad you none of these things... your a sick person
Duh... hospitals and other care centers close all the time in inner cities. . . I don't blame them. Most buy rims and gold teeth but NO INSURANCE. The only people we are obligated to are members of our households. I have been a first respondor and you won't believe the things that the medical professions do to people with no insurance. Michael Moore barely scratched the surface...
These people get shot and then Who pays their hostipal bills. Government or victim!? Healthcare is very expensive in America and their bills must be in millions or thousands of grands. That's insanity.
neo-cons...i dont understand you. can someone please try to explain how making guns more available would quell the issue of people dying en route to the hospital? it doesnt make any sense... how would a deregulated gun markets help improve the mental healthcare/rising cases of ptsd/anxiety/depression in low income, urban areas? how could a gun replace a psychiatrist or an iv bag or a blood transfusion or a mentor or a counselor? shooting someone back after being shot doesnt protest anyone...so please explain how less gun control would be a good thing?
How can any ER keep up with the amount of traumatic injuries caused by this violence? I don’t care what colour you are....everyone deserves the same care, but it’s impossible to maintain. Shocking!
Chicago, Detroit, two great cities that are feeling the pain of economic depression. Demographics show, when the economy sinks, crime rates increase. Yeah sure, is there gang violence there? Of course. But if Chicago was thriving, these young men would not join ganges, rather, they'd go to work. This is the start of economic warfare in the US, first it hits big cities like Chicago and Detroit, and now LA is seeing a spike in crime after LA has seen record lows of crime in that city. Every big city will be a target. I'm not going to advocate 2nd ammendment or something like that, its the simple truth of a country with a declining morality, decaying morality, and overall disregard to life.
lilbeserk - It'll save you life. The idea is to turn people away from crime. Kill a criminal, and someone will take his place. The idea is to stop the person from taking his place
lilbeserk - I know.. I agree. I didn't say America's economy was getting better, its getting worse almost by the week as corporate earnings are hitting record lows, bank and retail stocks are down anywhere from 15%-55% from a year ago.. home ownership is at 60 year lows.. labor and manufacturing are at their lows.. everything is slowly depressing and going down. There will be NOTHING the banks can do to stop this collapse. 2008-09 will have been smaller than this collapse. 08-09 was primarily a housing market collapse, this time around, will be a financial collapse which affects EVERYTHING from your savings, jobs, to your house and car.
lilbeserk - Yup. Even stocked up, the president has executive orders to come in, grab all your food with executive order 10998, take your vehicles with executive order 10999, take your house and property with 11004.. but there is no executive order to take mans salvation and faith in Christ. That's where it'll end up, a literal war for the soul of man. What we are seeing today is the decay and immorality of society, where a fully grown man can go into a womens bathroom.. or choke an 8 year old girl like its been reported in some state. Its disgusting and pathetic. Statistical birthrates of ACTUAL hermaphrodites aka transgender is 0.033%, but today, its a mental and psychological disorder and illness in people's minds. Who would even want to be part of a metally ill society that supports that?
I dont think these people understand... A university is a business... and no business owes you a damn thing. The definition of entitlement. Ever ask yourself why if there are so many patients its still not worth the money? Because no one ever pays their hospital bills. While you should be entitled to free healthcare in my opinion, thats not the way it works.
I live in Richmond, California (in West Contra Costa County),the only hospital that we have was closed down in 2015. it wasn't a trauma center but it was a normal ER. The lot was bought by the local casino that was near by and tore down the building (which was sad), so the nearest ER/trauma center was in the next county over (Alameda County). With traffic it would take the EMT at least 30-45 minutes to go to the nearest ER/trauma center.
Time to give law abiding citizens guns in Chicago to protect themselves and in turn decrease crime. Chicago has the strictest gun control laws in the United States and also the highest murder rate. Restricting law abiding citizens from carrying guns make them an easy target. FBI stats show law abiding citizens carrying guns lowers the crime rate.
