The Fight For Women's Bodies: Ireland’s Historic Abortion Referendum 

Very Snazzy why do you people always have to use the 0.1% of cases? In the vast majority of them she won’t die and if she is then I think that’s the only time it should be legal.

JoshV 93 Do you understand the concept of humour? That I made a joke, made clear, in this case, by my use of "m8."

Very Snazzy, since your username isn’t exactly, well, smart, “m8” could easily be interpreted as your grammar. It wasn’t as clear a joke as perhaps you thought it was, to a stranger.

Which the rate of abortions performed because it the baby posed a danger to the mother is less the .1% percent, but lets make a deal. The only time a woman can kill her unborn child is when that baby can prove fatal to her at birth. Deal?

Chris Rivas Yes, or if the baby's in such a state that it'll die upon birth, or that it'll be so disabled it won't last long or want to die?

Maybe were an ingorant child Left in the dark who only thought of candy. Not of other being like animals or babies. But I Know exactly what was against.and from a pro Feticide family. Are against home ultrasound on smartphones. Or even feelings pregnant belly. What say abortion survivors

The right for life. You have it and so do I.

Yeah. Much like children being forced to carry placards depicting supposed aborted fetuses by right-to-lifers pretending to care for children.

Many of our brainwashed liberal students have no idea what they are rallying for either. They think in PC slogans.

Children just shouldn't be brought to any rally whatsoever. It's like you said, they have no idea of what's going on, so what's the bloody point. That goes for both sides of the rally.

how about if you don't want a child don't get pregnant...........que rape reply, if abortion was legalized for rape, it wouldn't be enough. it was about on demand....rape was used as emotive blackmail. 99% are not because of rape. give it a few years the 12 wk limit will be "sexist"

Abortion is murder whatever the women’s reasons majority of the time they do not justify killing her own children for fs

kay

i know that it's not only about rape??? there can be more reasons for a woman to need an abortion

We don’t even kill rapists we put them in prison for 12 years or so. So why we killing an innocent baby for the actions of the father is my issue 🤨

Right Winger I'm guessing you are a male, all I can say is that you are lucky that you will never be in that situation where you yourself will have to decide

Right Winger your previous comment won't load so I am presuming you deleted your comment. From what I read, yes I do deserve to have a say over my body and what I choose to do with it, as you do with yours. And no, supporting repeal does not mean I support terrorism, of any kind, so I would appreciate if you didn't try to put words in my mouth☺️

and I believe you were looking for the word foetus, not baby

Right Winger that's your choice & your opinion. I 100% respect that, that is your choice, choice being the key word

Right Winger can you explain how it is hypocritical please?

D F it's non of the babies business

Daniel Bostock nope.

So sad that some people hate themselves & their unborn baby so much that they want to kill their own offspring.

But they do hate themselves to advocate to kill some of their own unborn babies.

Bel Mum They don't hate themselves, they love themselves and others so much they don't want to force them through physical and mental suffering!

No campaigners were well aware abortions were happening, but due to it being illegal in Ireland the numbers were far lower than the likes of our European counterparts, the no campaigners recognized that the legalization of abortion has always led to the number of abortions increasing. Plus just because something happens does that mean we should legalize it? by that logic should we legalize things like fraud, robbery and other murders because they happen anyway? I mean how stupid is that argument And abortions can't be called 'safe' a human is killed during one and abortions in countries which provide 'safe and legal' ones can be botched, look into the botched abortions of Marie Stope's clinics. Plus some pro-lifers would like to make it illegal again for women to travel for an abortions therefore you can't trip us up on the argument of ' you don't mind them happening abroad.'

I know a lot of bias news outlets ran that headline, but it's simply untrue, abortions can carry many risks, abortion is an unnatural procedure, child birth is not women have been giving birth for thousands of years, are you denying that there is botched abortions, look into the botched abortions of planned parenthood and Maries Stopes

The law doesn't apply to women.

Paedophilia is happening. People travel abroad for it because the laws forbid it. Lets legalise it and make it safe. Lets change the laws. Same arguments being used here but its a no. Abortion is the act of killing and it is the ultimate form of child abuse.

True but now it’s legal and being promoted across the country the numbers of them will increase.

Jujhar Bling You made your choice when you decided to have irresponsible sex. Babies bodies, babies choice. Foetus is a word used to dehumanise, they aren't humans they're just Jews, said the Nazi

Miriam Sulaiman that we can talk about, but let's not treat the vast vast majority of abortion cases with the same arguments as you would for a tiny fraction.

Jujhar Bling So you only see the child as a burden. As something to be carried around. That child has a future a plan and by saying it is unwanted or unplanned is one of the cruelest things you could say about a child. The only reason and I mean the ONLY reason abortion should be allowed is if the child's mother is at danger of death in delivering the child.

Except I have to pay for their choice through my tax money and social healthcare, wheres my right to choose.

*It's called murder.*

Spicy what if her choice ends the life of someone else...should we sanction murder bc of the women's mistake of not using contraception

aLaa aLi not a murder if the thing can’t live outside of the moms body and if it can’t think for itself or even understand or feel that it’s getting aborted

La Rochelle if you see it that way, then yes

Spicy Choose for herself to kill another member of the human race? No! Your wrong.

johhny1759 you’re*. Her life is more valuable than the ”life” of an undeveloped fetus. It’s her body, her mind, her life and her right to have control over her existence.

Jujhar Bling there’s a thing called adoption where the baby can find a good family, I know plenty of happy people that were adopted.

Jujhar Bling if I see a homeless person I can assume their life isn’t too good. Does that mean I can rip them to shreds? Adoption is where they can go.

So kill your child instead of taking responsibility for your actions and offspring?

Emily Elizabeth how many countless killed are stuck in foster care ???? Adoption is a slow process

1984 IsHere tbh I don't really care too much what people do with themself, just my thought. Yeah kill it if you want to put it like that . 🖒🤝

Laws don't prevent murder too, so should we legalize that too.

Bel Mum having abortion legalised prevents easily preventable deaths, like Savita Halappanavar

U are confused comparing a miscarriage to abortion, when really a 'successful' abortion is when a unborn baby is alive & it dies in a abortion plus we are talking about abortion that takes a life, not a miscarriage & the life saving treatment to save a women's life as no one is purposely killing their unborn baby which is a very sad time for all family members losing their unborn baby.

Bel Mum Does denying murder take away human Rights? Does it force someone to be enslaved in their own body? Does it mean MORE sentient human beings suffer and die? I don't think so. Don't compare incomparable situations.

Savita Halappanavar was an unfortunate case in which a disease killed an unborn child, and then the mother. She was protected fully under the 8th amendment, if only the doctor had picked up on it. The child didn't kill her, her disease did.

Yes so best to stop abortions altogether. Before the 8th was repealed there was approx 2,700 abortions per year carried out in UK. Now since repeal 8,500 carried out in Ireland. Not good.

Aspartame69 yes thank you!!👏🏻👏🏻 people do not get a say in the choice unless it is the mother, father or doctor. Unless no campaigners were willing to adopt the child on the spot, they do not get a say!

Most of those lazy sods are on benefits, and those are getting funded by the people that work. So I think that the poeple who voted "no" are alreay doing enough.

Lil Lexus not necessarily in every case, tbh I don't know if people on the Dol actually have the money for an abortion

Lil Lexus If these people cared about where their taxes went, they would stop paying money to make people keep unwanted pregnancies. Anyway, in my experience its the people on the dole who have the most babies, its more often people who are planning a working life who need to abort an unplanned fetus.

Where i live if u are on the dole it cost $100 for a abortion, the tax payers pays the rest for someones 'choice'.

@Maria Aquos I agree for the most part, but it should still be a legal option for women that are NOT in their 3rd trimester. Like Hannah says a couple comments down, it just prevents unsafe, illegal, practices. This was a major victory for women regardless of what year the case was won. It was put before supreme court and that should be the end of it. It's a hard enough decision to make without a woman being considered a criminal for making that very hard and private choice. I don't want the gov't interfering with my very personal body functions or my choices. It won't stop abortions from happening. Hillary was and is an abomination, who's impotence caused the deaths of many good people in Benghazi. I have zero respect for the wsub-human or any of her policies. It's all fine and dandy to have the chemical alternative but it can't be a woman's only option. And there are people who for wtvr reason, may not have birth control as an option. This is a last resort. I think of a young girl whose parents are in denial that their son or daughter is sexually active at all, and said person finds themself in such a desperate situation, or a working professional, who can't take two or three days laying around sick & miserable in the bed, but can maybe manage to take one day off to have their termination in a safe, legal, sterile, gov't sanctioned Drs office/ medical environment. To say its not an option or take this option away would be stupid as well as potentially fatal to said person and going backwards. This fight was won and should be a done deal.

@Andy Orwell, so you are pro choice then?

Embryos are not babies.

Joann. Not even chopping your own dogs head, should fall under... "is just a private and personal decision". Absurd. Abortion kills one, hurts another.

@@celestejacobs7386 Then why do you have to "abort" it? If embryos aren't babies, there's no reason for you to "worry" about anything. We all know you're not that stupid. An abortion isn't like going in to get your molars or tonsils removed, or even an in-grown toenail or Lasik surgery...we all know what an abortion is doing. You just have become so calloused and brainwashed with hate that you think the developing human (regardless of stage) is nothing more than cells -- makes it so much easier to "logically" disassociate with the fact you are killing a human.

but babies have no rights. Funny. Murderers have more rights to their own lives than the most innocent of humans, unborn babies, do.

Would you like to of gotten aborted if your mother didn’t want you?

Absolutely right. Well said. And they should have no right to decide what to do with the body of any other human being. I'm glad we agree on that.

@@cormuinoraghallaigh1832 but arguments about the Child's future is really a decision on the Child's body..and yes they do feel. Pain .if Fetuses don't feel pain global warmings a myth and Nicotine's not addictive. But because scientist said so

Chris Rivas ok so they have a right so they can lives outside the woman’s body then they can breath eat shit themselves then

Feminism is now so Toxic , most of us decent women want nothing to do with the very Word...

@@KimPhilby203 Yes, because advocating for equality between men and women is sooo toxic 😂🤣 I guess if your a "decent woman" you will listen to the actual toxic bullshit of people trying to make the term "feminism" something that it isint, a dirty word. There has always been negative conatations to the term Feminist, socially, which were intentionaly and falsely created to make anyone who claims to be one, out to be "crazy" or "a man hater", to deter woman from associating with feminism. I'm not saying there isint some mad people out there who also call themselves feminists but that could be said about anything. Just sad to hear this stuff from a woman. As a woman saying your not a Feminist, you are saying you do not believe in equality between men and women, your saying you believe women are not equal to men and to me I'm sorry that's what's crazy

Where are all these rapists?

@Buffy McMuffin Actually even rapists still breathe!

@@LeahBeth_1997 Maybe, but that 0.01% would still be affected if anti-abortion laws came in.

@@LeahBeth_1997 Not babies, foetuses. Please be exact. Anyway, they might well die. Some women would rather be dead than give birth to a rapist's baby.

Erinashleyisabella and what about your own DNA's right to live? It is literally half of your genes that you're killing. Plus it actually *damages* the female reproductive organs, but whatever. All I know is that I wouldn't want a woman who is callous enough to kill her own child, and voluntarily turns her vagina into a graveyard/ghost factory. What sort of sick person does that?

Was the exact same argument for slavery

Abortion feels wrong, therefore it must be wrong , imagine if jesus was aborted

I will never understand people like you...

Erinashleyisabella choose murder.. it isnt women's rights it's taken away life and human rights of someone who is weaker than you. IT IS MURDER!!

Why?

WTF?

Tell us why

@Moby Pancake hiya I'm so for women getting to make their own decisions. But anything past the 12 weeks is so herrendous. 24 weeks! That's 6 months. Women deliver at 6 months and babies that pre mature survive. I think 12 weeks is even to far along to carry out an abortion. Maybe 5 or 6 weeks should be the latest. Women who decide to not carry on with pregnancy should have a decision by then. From someone who miscarried at 12 weeks, nó one should want to delay that long

nic .d it’s always for a reason. usually medical or severe trauma. i know it doesn’t sound nice but it is not our decision, those women are the only ones who are in their head and their body, and we need to respect them all the way .

Well said. Soon it will be overrun by Islamic radicals as well who will point to this as why.

Its 2019, are saying women aren't equal to men?

unborn babies are literally not members of a nation

What an insightful saying!

See, an embryo is not a child, so it's not a member of any society

Ma Z we are not “made’” to bear children. you don’t have to give birth as a women. like women who don’t want kids, they don’t want to have them.

@@aaliyahallen-sellers3547 Women's bodies are indeed created to have children. If you decide to have them or not is a whole other issue, just use things like barrier contraception and stop killing your potential offspring.

Ultralight Beam Contraceptions are 100% effective though.

@@aaliyahallen-sellers3547 Better than nothing. If you are so terrified of having a child then here is the most obvious solution, do not have sex. If you still want to have sex and you wont use contraception, get yourself sterilized.

Ultralight Beam People like you crack me up. “Don’t have sex”, like everyone is gonna have sex like it 2020! I don’t know a single soul right now who is not having sex, and unprotected and that’s their business. Who are you to tell me/anyone what to do? I don’t even know you. 😂

@Shaun Parkinson Early miscarriage happens more often than you think so if I'm volunteering to have a miscarriage on purpose men do not get a say on what my body does.

@@bloodcottoncandy so why do men have to pay child support. Maybe they consented to the sex but not to the child, of you say it should be left up to women then why do men have to pay.

If it should be purely women then they can forget any financial contribution to a child's upbringing.

@@hammyhog4748 Good, no woman wants a deadbeat dad anyway for their kids

@@bloodcottoncandy So what next as an authority on voting rights do you think only certain people should be allowed on to vote on?

why do we need to talk about people who can't get pregnant when we want to determine whether a person should have full autonomy over their own body?

@@UkkyUke I do believe women should be autonomous over their bodies. However, I'm invested with what happens to MY child too. If men were included, maybe we could come up with solutions that would prevent men from just walking away from their responsibilities. If a woman is charged with murder for abortion, shouldn't men be charged with murder if he beats her into a miscarriage? In my country, they are only charged with assault on a pregnant woman. Of course, abortion is still legal, but that will change soon. Don't you think men should pay all the medical bills involved with the pregnancy since you as the woman is actually risking her life during the pregnancy and childbirth? Do you think women should be shamed for premarital sex? Are men ever shamed? How many men out there have been shamed for creating an unwanted child? None? Did you think of all the benefits of not going it alone? Life isn't fair and reproduction certainly isn't. I'm not saying we'll ever be able to come up with a solution that will make it fair. I think if abortion is 100% legal, you've cut the man completely out and that isn't fair. If abortion is 100% illegal, then the woman no longer has any control over her own body or life and that isn't fair. I don't know if we can ever come up with a solution that will make everything balanced. I do know that, if men think they don't have any rights to their unborn children and aren't allowed to take part in the conversation at all, then I don't see us being able to give up trying to control women. It's how we gain autonomy over our lives. Instead, we've become polarized on the issue. We see it as black and white. The woman's right to her body and quality of life versus the potential for the fetus to actually be a life! I don't think this issue is black and white, but, how are you going to know whether or not I have a solution if I'm not even allowed into the conversation!

well one of the questions you pose already HAS a clear answer. If a man sires a child, and his partner chooses to keep and raise it on her own, he will be legally responsible for child support payments. As for the 'beating her so hard she has a miscarriage' scenario, that is a clear case of assault and battery; if she miscarries as a result, that might make the normal penalty harsher, hard to say by what degree tho.

well if the father wants the baby so much why doesn't he get pregnant himself?

Savita was an illegal immigrant.

@@greenbaygirl1447 Savita was a dentist and in no way illegal.

She died of blood poisoning. And abortion WOULD NOT have saved her life

@@greenbaygirl1447 how she was a legal citizen of Ireland

Bullshit Savita didn't die from not having an abortion, led a media lie like everyone

@Shaun Parkinson Help yourself if that is what floats your boat.

@Shaun Parkinson I am not debating whether it is right or wrong. The church it self use to advocate abortion up until the time of quickening just a few short years ago. I am saying we as Christians have no right to push our beliefs onto non believers. As I would not want them to push their beliefs onto us. In the Bible Israel did not go into other nations and demand that they follow the rules of the Prophets. America is a melting pot of different religions and we have to respect their beliefs. This is a religious or moral issue not a legal issue. Just a few short years ago birth control of any form was against the law, putting woman into impossible situations. Watch some of the documentaries where woman were sent off and their babies taken from them (babies that they wanted) and then starved and killed after birth because they were unwanted children. It is a complicated issue I agree with that. That is why it has to be an individual descision, the same as end of life care. I personally have made it known if I am in a coma to not put in a feeding tube to keep me alive, to let me die. Yet there are others who want to fight to stay alive no matter what and that is there right, just do not subject me to the same standards. I do hear what you are saying and think there should be something in place to prevent later term abortion, you know in the first few weeks before quickening if you are pregnant this non sense of abortions after the baby is viable outside the womb is awful.

@@chickeninyeezes3759 Before you start to use that black and white argument let me educate you on this history of abortion and the early church. As late as the early 1900s abortion was legal up until the time of quickening which is basically 6 weeks along. How an abortion was performed was a woman was given natural herbs to drink that would allow the fetus to detach and the woman would just have her normal menstural cycle. Similar to the morning after pill. Then in the early 1900s male doctors and their egos did not want women going to midwifes they wanted to be in control so since at that time men were running things and they were the ones in office and the ones who voted. The next thing you know abortion is completely illegal and for some reason the church followed suite. Women had to take it to the supreme court to get their rights back but as in most things the pendulum swung too far the wrong way and now we have late term abortions which was never something the church would ever condone. If you want my personal opinion we need to go back to the way things were during the early church. No one should be allowed to have an abortion when you are so far along that the doctor has to go in vaginally and remove the fetus.

@@chickeninyeezes3759 I will respectably disagree. Are you Catholic or even intimately studied the church history. I have a degree in Religious and Catholic Studies so I was not just spouting shit.

Then you aren't a real catholic.

Choose to kill babies? Nah.

Yes they do.

@Comment ça va? show me the official stats of that happening.

Yeah but mainly because they don't want to have protesters lining up in front of their practice and sending them death threats

how is Miss the Kirchner doing these day

So what was decided

@@z9454 Just looked it up, it is legal within the first 14 weeks.

I think anti-abortion people don't usually think of the problems that follow making abortion illegal. Men would be able to rape children and women to force them to carry their offspring, knowing that the rape or pedophilia victim gets punished by law if she gets an abortion illegally or won't be able to get it at all. Many times the rape victims are underage girls, even as young as nine year old children, but who have had their periods and are able to conceive, forced then by law to give birth to the rapists baby. If a rape victim is underage, she is much more likely to die from childbirth due to her body being underdeveloped. But it's risky even for an adult woman. So the little child/girl, teenage child/girl or the adult woman would maybe die giving birth and suffer even more physical and mental pain because of rapists or pedophiles? Even the women who are irresponsible in using protection and birth control (which both aren't always effective), know the aforementioned things, so probably they have mental illness, alcoholism or drug addiction, causing them to not think about protection and birth control. I think those people have probably suffered enough, and they shouldn't have to go through more pain because of an unjust law. Studies have shown, that most times the rapist is someone close and familiar to the victim, there are even many cases where the rapist is the victims own father. There are cases where a father has kept his daughter or some kidnapped girls prisoned for years and forced them to have his babies. If the pedophile father happens to want to sexually abuse and rape even the babies, who he forces his daughter or the kidnapped girl to have, that is completely made possible also, otherwise, if abortion was possible, the pedophile might actually decide to allow the abortion just so he wouldn't get caught because of a baby wailing and signaling to the neighbors that something wrong is going on. Why aren't people using their common sense and thinking things through, thinking about all aspects, if abortion becomes illegal, it gives criminals an exellent opportunity to basically breed and have rape and pedophilia victims carry their offspring without consent. You could say this to anyone who says a woman goes to hell for having an abortion. Maybe some of the people against abortion actually are rapists and pedophiles in secret. I believe that if God exists, even if the clump of cells aborted happened to be sentient and has a soul, the soul would go to God and live in heaven or be born again in this world in another body.

yeah but he was the architect

Reason Men are ignoring us decent Women is because of people like you...grow up

Demons were the catalyst for this murderous endeavor

Vanessa...That's just evil.

Vanessa its not their body

Bel Mum Denying suffering of women is so heartless!

& failing to see nothing wrong with killing unborn babies - now that's heartless

Well, I would wanna kill myself if I ever got pregnant, so would you rather have a dead mother and fetus or just a dead fetus?

The Resistance of killing a baby wasn’t the hard part. Then I think you should really rethink you’re stance

These abortion promoters, liberal minions always make the aggressor turn into victims. No, the victim is, the slaughtered, burned alive or sucked through a tiny tube and then thrown into the trash, human baby. Abortion kills one, hurts annnother.

If you have a penis, your opinion is irrelevant.

ALL MOTHERS LOVE THEIR DISABLES CHILDREN AND ALL DISABLES CHILDREN ARE WORTH BEING LOVED !! ARE YOU SAYING A DISABLES PERSON HAS LESS OF A RIGHT TO LIVE ?

Eugenics

Natasha Agree

You are so stupid it hurts....

Not to good! The precious life in the womb is screaming while he/she is being shredded. It's heart-breaking to see that these precious lives don't have the right to live.

I'm literally crying! This feels like such a big loss for babies! Bad job Ireland! We are so ashamed of you!!

Leah she never said she had an abortion herself, why call her a baby killer ? weird weird woman.... having respect for fellow women is not killing babies, it’s letting them choose

Olivia Hegarty - probably a good thing you couldn’t vote since your grammar skills are limited. You should use the term “too” instead of “to”.

Amy Mullan thanks for pointing out that mistake, I actually have grammatical issues☺️

Olivia Hegarty - Np

Livia weren't you supposed to be in your 18th year ? unless you'll be 18 next year

+Olivia Hegarty maybe we should vote to kill over grammar? sound fair enough?

No

because innocent unborn babies make people suffer so much, so exterminate them like you would any termite or roach! Yay!

....and I would gladly take that baby with loving arms over killing it! That is because, unlike yourself, I actually value life and feel every potential life is precious and deserves to be respected. ..and I'll say whatever the hell I want because adoption is a viable option since there are thousands of loving families dying to have children. Even if they end up in a home where they can potentially have a bad experience, anything is better than murdering a baby.

Chris Rivas I value life. But I, and generally the scientific community, don't consider a fetus to be alive, yet. Every child should be wanted and get to grow up in a good environment, not forced upon someone or having to grow up in bad conditions, such as the overcrowded and in many ways flawed foster care system. If you want to talk about cruelty, that's cruelty.

Chris Rivas taking away abortion will not stop abortions.

D F This ^ Taking away abortions will only create more UNSAFE abortions, people will find other ways. This is what's been happening in Ireland, they even discussed it in the video.

wow what a surprise an angry green haired feminist votes for abortion, whats next? hang the men?

Daniélín NicG Who said I was angry? I'm just happy the law in Ireland changed. I didn't actually vote for it because I'm English, I was just paying attention to reproductive rights in other countries. And what's with the hyperbolic statement there? I don't hate men. I literally don't even agree with the death penalty in legal systems. (Fun fact, it actually costs more money to kill prisoners with lethal injection than to just keep them in prison for life. It's fucked up imo.) Just because I think that people should have the right to terminate a pregnancy for mental health, physical health, financial purposes etc doesn't mean that I want men to die?... It seems to me like you've watched one too many extreme far left RU-vidrs or watched too many "feminist" cringe compilations. Yes, I class myself as a feminist, and yes, I'm further left than most people, but I have common sense, and I also have reasonings behind what I think. Even if we disagree, there's no reason to just throw a straw man at me. My definition of feminism is simply that of believing in gender equality. It doesn't mean I want men to die, that I hate men, or that I think women are better than men. That's called misandry, and by definition, misandrists should not call themselves feminists. I'm also not too sure what my hair colour had to do with the argument. I just fancied making it green because why tf not, it has nothing to do with my political stance lmao. Anyway, I hope you have a good day. I took the time to reply to this because it confused me and I'd like to hear more from you, not because I'm angry btw ✌🏻

@@Iron_Stigmata The first part of your statement is absolutely correct. Everyone should indeed have the right to do what they want with their own bodies. Would you agree with me that nobody should have the right to do what they like with the body of another human being? If so then the only question is whether an abortion involves a woman controlling her own body or someone else's. To me the science is pretty clear. It's a separate body. The only area of a woman's body that is targeted in the case of an abortion is the area that has another human being inside it. The 'my body' argument is based on a claim that is 100% false so the argument falls apart.

@@cormuinoraghallaigh1832 Cells with no brain or central nervous system is not a human. It has the potential to develop into one, but in that moment it isn't. It's not a person.

@@Iron_Stigmata Ok. We seem to have moved on from the 'my body' argument in that case. Let's assume we agree on your last claim. At what point does the potential human being become an actual human being? Or to be more specific: at what stage would a decision on my mother's part to abort me have been wrong?

Thank God for Texas banning the murder of children by their parents

Abortion is murder. Fact.

To women in America, my love from England 🇬🇧

Exactly, it flies in the face of the whole "my body, my choice" argument. You choose something you want. If you don't want an abortion, ..... you're being forced to have an abortion? But i thought it was your choice.

@@voicevitality7197 well people don't wanna get their wisdom teeth pulled but we get them pulled. kinda the same thing

@@juliahornback2843 one is need, the other is want. Comparing tooth removal to an abortion is odd.

nobody wants to have to do that, because they didn’t want to get pregnant in the first place, or they didn’t want to be raped, or they didn’t want to become medically ill or the fetus to become medically ill, but circumstances happen. nobody thinks abortion is a nice thing that is enjoyable , it’s a necessity.

None of us rights to our own bodies since drugs are illegal in most of the World.

Stacey Wells “Everyone is human.” Yes I agree. And killing humans should be illegal. We don’t have unlimited rights over our bodies. Since the government can’t read our minds, all state laws are laws which control our bodies. Can you think of a single law that doesn’t ban you from, or force you to do something with your body?

@Andy Gardner, embryos are not humans.

It is not their body in their Womb

It takes a certain kind of evil to think it's justified to dismember and kill another human life! If you don't want a baby then don't have sex. If she's raped then go to the hospital and they will give you the plan b.

It is. He's a priest and therefore has no valid opinion on anything related to the real world.

What Italy did to Amanda Knox is unforgivable . And killing babies is revolting .

ghosting101 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻

Bout to be reminded in America.

друг Of course as you have nothing better to do with your life but read pointless comments which have no meaning and could be written by 7 year olds

I do thus for fun it's not like the Kremlin is paying me Also meaning is subjective and i'm part of the 9 year old army bro fist my dude

You should be ashamed of yourself for joking about such a serious subject.

I'm not joking, i'm serious. I enjoy people getting triggered in the comments.

if you had 2 friends and you depended on them to care for you, 1 was a woman who had 3 abortions and the other fought for the unborn, morally what one would you trust more? the one who kills her own inside her or the one who not only would never do it but protest time and tears to save others

It's a trade off really. If you don't want the baby, you can just walk away. If you beat her into having a miscarriage, you won't spend the rest of your life in prison. You will never go through the hardship of pregnancy, the pain of childbirth, and you will never die from complications of either. You want the baby, but she doesn't, then your screwed. But I agree the role and needs of the father are never mentioned in these debates.

@@jeremyeblack4987 You can't just walk away. You have to flea the country to somewhere that doesn't have an extradition treaty, if you want to get out of responsibility for fathering a child.

the idea is for women to have reproductive rights. Men certainly can be affected by abortion, but the idea that they 'have no say at all' is pretty far-fetched. Many men are fathers, and in most cases their children are both planned and and wanted.

Life begins before conception. By this logic "every sperm is sacred"

@@sugarmouse6061 Once the egg and sperm has fused it is

@@sugarmouse6061 At least I have some logic unlike you

So you would rather a child live in unsafe conditions where parents can not provide for them then them dying peacefully in the womb

To be so uneducated and delusional to actually believe that a fetus is a child. What a sad world

@@josiejump2072 👏

@@annacarrie1150 Right! 😂

@Josie Jump actually if you don't have enough money to bring up a baby you should be responsible of your actions and don't risk to be pregnant. Parents like these are irresponsible.

Niamh C Oml that's so *punny* 😂 I love you

Abortion feels wrong, therefore it must be wrong , imagine if jesus was aborted

sergio garcia c. Giving birth doesn’t feel to great either it must be right so

Your mother should be embarrassed

I like the colors , nice sign , and the font is fun

its satanic

It takes a special kind of evil to think the dismemberment and killing of another human life is ok!

Discrimination on basis of gender? Oh dear!

How many children have these men adopted?

@@standup2982 Ask them!

@@hammyhog4748 how many children have you adopted and how many are you planning on adopting every year?

@@standup2982 As I have a full time job, am caring for elderly parents and have a serious underlying chronic health condition, none. As I was so ill and my chances of survival were not good it would not have been in the child's best interests to probably lose one of their adoptive parents so soon. Despite the poor odds I survived but I'm now too old to adopt children.

Very Snazzy this is a very true statement

Dayze - Appalachian Cunning Thankyou :)

I wouldn't consider the fetus a human until it has a developed nervous system and can survive exposure.

друг. Well, that's science and you can't argue with it!

One of the reasons I'm pro choice you cannot properly decide what's better unless you are in that situation nobody else can tell a woman what's best for her and probably for the fetus.

if a woman doesn't want a baby than use protection if you are to lazy to look after a baby

Does the babies' bodies not have a choice then?

It takes a certain kind of evil to think it's justified to dismember and kill another human life! If you don't want a baby then don't have sex. If she's raped then go to the hospital and they will give you the plan b.

Howard Stern they consider that murder as well because it makes the uterus lining to thick for the egg to attatch therefore “killing” the “baby”

Fertilization does not occur for another 48 hours after sex. The little swimmers have to make it up past the cervix, a battlefield trying to get through that defense. Then make their way through the uterus to meet up in the Fallopian tube which is where the "big thing no one sees" happens. Implantation takes at least 72 hours since it has to float from the conception point to the implantation point in the upper wall of the uterus. So by all intents and purposes, the Morning After pill guarantees no implantation and therefore the fertilized egg is just expelled as a normal period.

@@LeahBeth_1997 It's not even alive after fertilization. It takes a further 16-20 weeks for it to be considered a life because at any point through that a miscarriage can happen. Which the religious right want to criminalize.

I think life starts at conception, but I believe that using plan b is ok, I draw the line at implantation because before that you are only doing something to your own body. Equivilant of not allowing a homeless person into house but letting them walk through your yard, after implantation is like killing a homeless person in your home after inviting them in.

It’s what’s best for everyone if you don’t agree with abortion then don’t get one why force others now to get one. It’s a woman right

@@copyer9088 it's not a "woman's right" to murder an unborn child and can you even define the word woman?

@@culeluke9953 so your telling me if a woman is raped she should suffer from the wrong doing of the man who done it by being forced to have a baby she doesn’t want and be reminded of the rapist every time she sees it? It’s not murder it’s a woman’s right and it should be a choice a personal choice and people like shouldn’t be telling people what to do it’s not of your business or anyone else’s.

@@copyer9088 the man in question should be punished for the rape not the child in question. You don't blame a son for the sins of his father & you ignored my 2nd question.

@@culeluke9953 I didn’t see your 2nd question so I’ll answer it for you now. A woman is a female human being or creature. In my home country up until recently if a woman was to have an abortion she would get a life sentence in prison unless her life is at risk the rapist would only get about 8 years longer depending on the offence. So that just shows it should be a choice not having access to free, safe and legal abortions in a country is dated and anti woman. I don’t see why the woman should have to suffer from the rapist wrong doing and give birth to baby who she doesn’t want in addition to be reminded of the offender every time she looks or thinks about it. A woman comes before an unborn child. You ignored my last points about how having an abortion is not of your business or anyone else it’s the woman’s choice alone and no one else’s you shouldn’t be telling people what to do with a pregnancy as you don’t know what the circumstances are with the woman are your not the one having the baby. she might not feel she is ready to become a mother yet, she might too young or in school, not working and unable to afford care for the baby or look after it properly. No woman should be forced to have a pregnancy that she doesn’t want. If you don’t want or support abortions that’s fine don’t get one but forcing that view on others and preventing them from getting the heath care they need or stoping them from doing what they want is wrong. Abortion being legal is not forcing you or anyone else to have an abortion as again that is your decision, and nobody else’s. making abortion legal is making it so woman in that given country have access to free safe and legal abortions if needed. It’s a woman’s right and it’s what’s best for everyone.

I'll never agree with backwards thinking. A brain, a sad thing to waste.

@@diannebdee oh the irony

Sorry folks, I didn't post this 4 times. Don't know why that happened.

Sorry folks, I didn't post this 4 times. Don't know why that happened.

Ah yes, objectively talking about something subjective, the classic move

Agree !

A lot of anti choice organizations have made fake models that falsely depict what fetuses look like at various stages. Id do more of my own research if I were you.

I use a pregnancy app to track my pregnancy. It is very hard to dispute that the growing embryo is a distinct human life. I can't in my right mind claim the life growing inside me is my body because it simply isn't. The app gives updates about the development going on. This app is not pro choice or pro life. It's just an app. Whether we are religious or not, science says it is a life. It is not a cancerous clump of cells, is is purposefully growing into smt, it is how we all started. I personally believe abortion should not be used as contraception but only when medically needed. Inconvenience cannot be a reason to end another life. We need to be more responsible about the choices we make so that we aren't in situations where we need to end a life. If anything we should be coming up with laws to hold fathers more accountable for the lives they conceive and help support women who end up alone dealing with unplanned pregnancies. We need to rally behind each other and find good solutions. Making the life growing inside us pay for what's wrong in society, I don't know if that's healing us or making us more sick as a people.

@@dianahe2814 Humans are defined by brain life. Nothing that doesn't have sentience or a brain can be considered a human. No matter what it looks like, an embryo is not a person. No brain, no human. Women's rights are paramount.

Funny how bacteria in Mars is life and a human fetus isn't...

It takes a special kind of evil to think the dismemberment and killing of another human life is ok!

Sonic_Spyro she’s my mam 💞

True. Requesting permission from others for what you can and cannot do with your own body.

shame on you

I voted no and trust me we did not lose, the children of Ireland lost. 7211 irish children lost in fact.

Really stupid comment. An embryo inside the womb is not equivalent to a six year old child outside of it, moron.

@@celestejacobs7386 Not a a stupid comment at all. A 6 year old is a human in an earlier stage of development than me, the same way a fetus is simply a human life in an earlier stage of development. If you argue that something can be killed due to its developmental age, you can also make the same argument for a 6 year old

@@michaelmichael8314 Nope. A 6 year old is an actual human. It has a brain and a central nervous system. A fertilized egg is not a person. What are you nutjobs going to do next, campaign for the rights of sperm?

@@celestejacobs7386 babies that are aborted have brains and nervous systems. Don't call someone a moron unless you really know the facts.

@@celestejacobs7386 Unborn babies don't have brains and nervous systems? Clearly you know nothing about human development. The brain and nervous system does not just suddenly appear when the baby comes out of the womb. Poor Celeste, it seems that a brain is something you are lacking

Are you saying that the IRA were sectarian Catholics ?

themeatyouworkwith Its not important what I sound like. The big mistake was when people accepted the killing of children, babies, people. Also, fetus is another word for baby in latin. That is the start of it, dehumanization. The fact that LIFE can be killed because it is inconvenient devalidates it you are accepting the fact that ALL life isn't as sacred as you held it before therefore the eleete themselves have convinced the public that we are just a bunch of animals that has to be called off in this same way when their is too many of us (people) and we start to accept it. That was what i was trying to say and that is very depressing in the today society. Beyond heartbreak. That's my 2 cents and there is always going to be a great attack dog who will get you on certain issues but nothing will convince me.

themeatyouworkwith why does my comment offend you? You've either had an abortion or your just getting offended for other people. yes it is difficult to grasp because its shameful how low a human can go, abortion should not be allowed just because of 'want' it makes no sense to me its shameful

@themeatyouworkwith You men really have become cucked. I find that so unattractive.

As someone who follows Hinduism why should we have to bow to your Superstitions belifes about abortion

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Sanctimonious much! Marriage is no guarantee that children will have a good life.

It takes a certain kind of evil to think it's justified to dismember and kill another human life! If you don't want a baby then don't have sex. If she's raped then go to the hospital and they will give you the plan b.

The doctor in Liverpool is strikingly callous.

The doctor in Liverpool is strikingly callous.

+James Murphy How did Jennifer abort a six month old unborn? Words fail me.

James Murphy dont worry we do respect outselves, enough to choose not to carry out a pregnancy

+az eavers Dont get pregnant then.

@Ron Dale how many children have you adopted?

Whatever your view on abortion, the baby is not the woman’s body. There’s no denying that and any scientist/ doctor will say that.

Mery Castillo thank you 💝💝

your a joke, im standing protesting for the protection of my next generation of irish ppl that my father fought for that millions died for-irish culture, they nearly wiped us out and we survived and you as a woman of colour with abortion being a black womans biggest threat when black families are at there lowest ever you are clapping up abortion, your ancestors would turn in there graves

Daniélín NicG oh my god abortion isnt going to wipe out the irish race? women have always gotten abortions??

Daniélín NicG have several seats!!!,😔😔, first human race isn't over any time soon, and just in case u wanna bring another kid into this world is "YOUR DECISIÓN"👌!!, and Believe me this is not a BLACK OR WHITE!! Lack off people thing!! Is a woman!!! Thing!!, cuz WE ARE MOREEE THAN BABY PRODUCERS!!🙅🙅!, im came from a country where people obligate 10 to 15 yrl girls to have babies!!, mayority of those girls have been raped or have the lowest education about sex and protection!!, those babies then are in the streets, have medical problems including their moms or SOLD!! In human trafficking market to people like you!!! In "illegal adoptions", so excuse if i don't wanna bring a kid into this world that is gonna suffer!! In a 75% of a 💯% cases ......since u aren't God!! Sorry is my body and is my choise!!!👈👈👈 PD: honey there is a lot of black people in the world, please......GO OUT!!😂😂😂😂

Yeah if we don't allow someone to work they should have free healthcare and food to a point.

Not sorry for you

Yeah, because the murder of a little baby is a great solution, isn't it. NOT. There's a thing called adoption, and plenty of people who could only dream of having a family, but can't. And yet irresponsible women who got pregnant can just say 'Nah, I don't feel like having it', and have it terminated. It's so unfair.

So you killed you’re child, you feel it affected you positively. But overall it is not a solution. You didn’t deal with you’re problem, you destroyed what you thought was you’re problem.

I had an abortion too, years ago. I have never regretted it for a minute.

@@celestejacobs7386let's assume i am your aborted child. I say "mommy why did you abort me?" What would you say?