The Finnish government plans to criminalize communist symbols 

Comrade, did this disgusting bill get passed?

@@gwynbleidd1917 not yet. The parliament has agreed to discuss it.

@thefinnishbolshevik2404 damn. Here in the imperial core of the US the government has tried to pass something somewhat similar but the legislation only condemned communism and socialism. Because most of this country is politically illiterate and steeped in anticommunist propaganda, the whole thing got like no media coverage.

This is the essence of the issue - now capitalism is in crisis the biggest bogeymen the bourgeoisie lie awake worrying about are being attacked. Framed portraits of Lenin and especially Stalin plus unabashed hammer and sickle utterly terrifies these people and they'll try any ruse to get them thrown in the political, social and historical bin!

Let it terrify them because one day, the proletariat will come for them.

the government SUX at everything .... why would you put the government in control of industry

By dividing everyone by race, and giving them collectively what they deserve? The carrot or the stick, according to "historical injustice and oppression"? To even the playing field?

​​@@aakkoin what r u talking about? Soviet soldiers in 1945, who tried to "revenge to the german race" via maraudery or rape, were literally executed by their own Army. Specifically to avoid the eye-for-eye racism-prolonging bullshit you talk about.

​​​@@aakkoin you've watched too many 'lefites' and liberals on the internet... communists want to give people of all races democracy over their own, not others, and a right to self-determination. so opressed people might finally be able to decide what to do with their own workforce, education, healthcate etc. rather than be indebted to oligarchs. that is a win-win because 'non-opressed' people get to do so too. the key is to see that all of those people are opressed, some are just more brutalised according to ethnic lines. but whites don't get to do well also. only people in the high places do

LOL, marxist ideas fall apart at the most basic scrutiny. It's a gnostic cult theology.

@@aakkoin Follow your Führer.

symbols of "Legionari" too but you see them almost everywhere...

Same in most Eastern European countries I believe Solidarity with international comrades from Vietnam !

I'm a romanian immigrant from germany, and I dont know a lot about politics in Romania. How is it there? I'm gonna assume its not very good, but I dont know the details

@robertdragan2333 how do you deal with that? just use new, different symbols?

​@@com.grenateCommunism in Romania has been irrelevant in the last 30 years. There is no need for new symbols: there would be no one to claim or use them.

From the river to the sea 🇵🇸❤

But Stalin had a total of 49 secretaries. 40 of them were Jews. Out of 22 people's commissaries 17 were Jewish. The Council of People's Commissaries consisted of 133 members of whom 115 were Jews. The Presidium of the Supreme Soviet had 27 members, of whom 17 were Jews. The picture was the same throughout the leading posts of the Central Committee.

@@NahuelSilberstein And your point is...?

@@YouHaveAnApeHead That a Palestinian flag makes no sense at the antifascist demostration. Al-Husseini was a NS right? And at the end it was the Communists recognising Israel at very first even supporting them in their struggle against the Arabs right?

@@YouHaveAnApeHead On the other hand, the Germans produced weapons in CZ for anti-British Arabs and guess what happened? The Zionist Stalin couped CZ and gave all the German produced weapons to Israel. Later the Zionists dropped bombs on the Arabs with Swastikas and Arabic letters on it.

The EU recognising colonialism as bad ? The same EU whose foreign policy representative described Europe as a "garden" under threat from the "jungle" ? That EU ??

@@blede8649 I was being sarcastic about their blatant hypocrisy

Never. The EU is a capitalist, imperialist, neo-colonial regime to this very day.

Using "Marxism" as an ideological scarecrow is something that already has a long tradition in all forms of third position politics before and after 1945. The only thing that has changed recently is the indiscriminate breadth and illiterate simplism with which these labels are now used. Literally everything can be socialist or Marxist: Canada, the Scandinavian Countries, Venezuela, Obama, Biden, Putin or the Pope. Or Thutmose III, or the Ewoks. It is just a symptom that emotivism, irrationalism and solipsistic psychologism are completely taking over the sphere of political reflection, with an intensity and internal complicity never seen before. It was Lyndon LaRouche who made the expression "cultural Marxism" fashionable, today repeated like a memorized mantra spat out at random by a digital army of parrots. But the use of Marxism or socialism as empty ideological bogeys has become the mainstream discourse of groups competing for hegemony in the sociological space that identifies itself as the "right": starting with protectionist nationalists and US-type "libertarians". In fact, this ideological scarecrow is the basis of their alliance. They are two groups that have nothing to do with each other, and in fact are diametrally opposite in almost everything. But they function as two groups united and allied in solidarity with each other, exploiting the ideological scarecrow of "Marxism."

I don't blame them because the Soviet union tried to take them over . And the communist movement is inherently violent

@@woobiefuntime No they didn't "try to take them over". The Soviet Union needed a warm-water port there. Finland refused to sell them the land necessary, so the USSR invaded in order to secure that land. Violence is also not universally bad.

@@jakekaywell5972 i don't blame the Finns for not selling to the Soviets .

​@@woobiefuntimethat's fair, but the ussr had no time to waste considering the nazis was at their doorstep.

@@AceFromGorillaz That was the fault of the Soviets. There is a reason people originally sided with the Nazis when they were invaded

For many years now (long before the Euromaidan), almost all organized campaigns against communist symbols in Eastern European countries have actually been attacks against the RF or to please the geopolitical enemies of the RF. But that does not mean that the RF has something to do with the USSR. It means that in the ideological narrative of the enemies of the RF there is a very clear intention to continue exploiting the propaganda and ideological strategy of linking it with the USSR.

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​@@fun_ghoul Colonialism was historically progressive Read marx

@@jakesuper6447 Marx isn't my god, loser. Go ask the occupied if they feel it progressed them.

The whole world is going down that drain, not Europe alone

Contradictions are heightening

The question is, what are we going to do about it? Just ride out the wave of fascism and hope for the best?

@@jakekaywell5972 what can we do? Marxism is marginalized, we need years if not decades of agitprop to fix that. Without vast popular support, communist revolutions are impossible.

@@vadimk3484 I agree with you. I don't think we can manufacture consent for Marxism either. I fear material conditions for the majority will have to degrade to a much worse point before the general public will be receptive. As in near-starvation.

or they just didn’t read the books you read? fairly obvious, but like all other immature children, you disrespect them for not reading _your_ liberation theology. “Have you read the bible?” “no” “who ideologically programmed you not to read the bible?” Do you see the leap of logic you make? You are the one losing sight of reality by getting sucked into liberation theology.

@@ludlowaloysius or they just didnt read any reliable book. Do you even know the people he argues with to claim they have read books he didnt?

Yeah, and when you say something along the lines of "if you think I'm full of crap, go read this and that book for yourself, and make some conclusions of your own", they reply either "oh please, I've got better things to do", or "I'm not gonna read commie propaganda"

​@@ludlowaloysiusMarxist theory is a science its not a religion.

@@ludlowaloysius I've read the Bible and nothing you said makes any sense. Btw, most Christians also haven't read the Bible.

Honestly, force-quitting looks like a more appealing option every day. A key reason of why I don't do it is because its a betrayal of the working class.

The capitalists can't stop us. This only shows the deepening crisis of the capitalist system, and that communist work is more important than ever. In the long term increasing repression can only expose capitalism more and create more resistance.

true, i remember you said "capitalists live in the past, communists in the future" @@thefinnishbolshevik2404

@@jakekaywell5972 If that looks appealing to you, it's a medical symptom. That said, these symptoms are indeed caused and exacerbated by regular life under the 'ism. Feel better soon, comrade. We have a world to win yet.✊🏻

Exactly. We're not looking to these bourgeois swine for logic or morals.

Great, that marxists in Poland exist.

Do you have an ML organization in Poland?

"Solidarity"?

r/Totatitatism.

CPGB-ML Member here, it's fucking disgusting.

@@atomicexistentialism8428 Agreed. However, as a Hungarian-American M-L, I'm curious to know what the CPGB-ML's activities are like? Has reactionary crackdown also been particularly severe, in light of the ongoing Palestinian genocide?

What does “LGBTQ” have to do with the proletarian struggle?

⁠@@yumallah (keep in mind I lack experience) It’s that a cornerstone of Communism is egalitarianism. We need to look out for each other’s rights. On another note, why should we alienate a group of our fellow workers? We are strongest together, division makes us weak.

@@jakekaywell5972 The crackdown has mainly focused specifically on Palestinian supporters, they full well know the party is generally quite well respected, especially in the North of England. If they decided to ban it and arrest members, there would be a general strike in days, since plenty of the TUC has communist party members

Agreed. Stalin, regardless of what I or anyone else may think about his character, absolutely did build up socialism in an unprecidented way. Single-handedly industrialized his nation faster than anyone else. Only 25 years. Even the fastest of the geopolitical West, Japan, required 15 more years. Damn that revisionist Khrushchev! His policy of De-Stalinization was one of the key reasons the USSR collapsed!

I don't wanna bother you, but the lack of comas made it confusing.

I’m personally am Left of the Communists but I have my personal pros and skepticism about Stalin. While I wish the USSR had a less authoritarian leader and government, where it is closer to the ideal of a worker’s democracy than it is not, a more international communist movement where it is effective in stopping fascism and overthrow capitalist dictatorships, and other minor issues. But there is a lot of misconceptions and misinformation about Stalin himself as a leader; he is still a fearsome leader by those who question his authority which is true, hence the trials; but the amount of people he murdered is exaggerating in that it makes him worse than Hitler. I don’t bother looking over the deaths because you can Google articles about Stalin killing 60 million to be false and disproven by serious scholars. But this isn’t a Stalin problem anymore nor because the left has personal critiques of Stalin’s leadership; some critiques can be bourgeois distortions; but the problem is that the left isn’t serious about stopping fascism anymore and creating a proletarian state or even a movement. The mainstream left is more concerned about preserving the bourgeois democracy than creating a revolutionary force and they alienate themselves from any proletarian potential. If the left had the knowledge and skill to be able to convince and deprogram the working class to the left, they wouldn’t be witnessing Finland banning Soviet icons.

@@spookysenpai7642 You are 100% correct that there are too many leftists who are only interested in preserving bourgeois democracy! Not enough are interested in old skool proletarian, class conscious, revolutionary politics!

Based, woke, redpilled, decucked.

the proposal was actually originally made by a zionist politician (banning of the swastika together with the hammer and sickle was his idea) and another far-right politician who even wanted to suggest banning all communist organizations. The government simply decided they wanted to grab that proposal and run with it.

That can only happen at once with revolution not with stages "first fascism then imperialism and then generally capitalism" its as if you are arguing these can be defeated separately at different times

@@panoskatrin4910 We need defeat capitalism at different stages as I see it.

@@jmagowan12 its not how you see it dude marxism is a science, the state, fascism imperialism all these cannot be defeated or be understood separately

Im pretty sure if the global north fights against capitalism we would lose out hard materially because we ARE the imperialist nations so we would lose wealth. Thats how they aristocriziced us and thats why revolution in global north is really hard. I dont see it happening. Maybe when it crashes next time again their schizo brain tells them to ofc do even more imperialism than before... then the actual proletariat of this world the global south would generate a very big communist movement and then revolution and whatever... but yea idk WW3 then is just as likely I guess.

​@@manuellanthaler2001the material conditions in the western world for a revolution dont exist for now but the subjective factor of strong communist workers marxist leninist parties that help in the class struggle is what we can do right now.Revolutionary conditions will come the contrudictions of capitalism will bring them look around you within a few years covid a new economic crisis ukrainian war not to mention the rising tensions in the middle east.

I could've, but RKP is part of every government and is very small

@@thefinnishbolshevik2404 lol, true.

I second that. How popular are communist ideas in modern Finland, compared to petty nationalism and liberalism? In ex-USSR countries communists are considered freaks and clowns at best, and fascist ideas are getting increasingly more popular. The latter is true for most of the world, the way I see it.

I've done some videos like that but I plan to make more ru-vid.com/group/PLbnLysSug0vQ5qdifZ4N0CzrYyal4RQ8S

@@vadimk3484 i wouldnt say caompletly, not in every country overall and, compare tit to america, and it will look like heaven for communism.

@@anon-san3975 dude, I live in the Baltics, and I speak/read Russian fluently enough to read their news and public media. It's incredibly grim - the vast majority of people both here and in Russia are nationalists with fascist ideas without even realizing it: mild racism, ideas of national supremacy, chauvinism, huge support for the state, absolute lack of class solidarity, class consciousness and even basic understanding that people have to fight for their rights. At the same time, if you mention that you have socialist beliefs to someone, they either look at you like you're literally insane, or can even threaten to "kick your red fascist teeth out". I'm not kidding, it's that bad. I'm sure that in some other parts of the world, the left are vastly more popular than they are here, but I seriously doubt that this support is enough.

@@vadimk3484 i'm from russia proper and know myself, that most people at best just dont give a fuck because they busy trying to pay their bills and there's also resurgent hysteria about everything from immigrants (who paradoxically bacame a problem when amount of jobs actually finally started increasing considerably for like 20 yers) to, well, everuthing about the war, which uses themes of actually noble goal that is wildly was praised by the ordinary people (which is good), but ended up on words alone and, yes, overall so called "statists" only became more prevalent. I am not going to speak about a Baltics, altought there never a good news from here for a long time. But, i still would argue that many people are much more perceptive, as far as i know there was even resurgent in numbers of CPRF and overall increase, or better put a resurgence of interest in leftism overall, i would say as far as i see people are actually intrested, but we have quite opposite situation to america, where there whole plast of left-oriented creators inside and outside internet, but no, at least before covid, actually intrested public. In Russia there IS interest, but whole place is empty and what's left is pure discreditation, mostly, on top of not having revolutionary party within mainstream at all. If we solve at least later problem, somehow, we would have non-illusory chance for a change maybe some time after the war. И еще, держись там брат, я знаю как тяжело быть одним из нас, особенно в Балтике, с ее прекрасными образцами европейской демократии, надеюсь и вы сможете восстановить историческую справедливость.

are you Finnish?

@@thefinnishbolshevik2404 yes

@@Takeshi357 tuu mukaan kommunistien toimintaan

@@thefinnishbolshevik2404 Emmä voi, mä olen liian nationalistinen kommunistiksi

@@Takeshi357 lakkaa olemasta

you can watch these videos: ru-vid.com/group/PLbnLysSug0vTyFuGMRYZZmAiiATUZHUZd There are also other sources here, under the heading "Moscow Trials" mltheory.wordpress.com/the-real-history-of-the-soviet-union/ As I've written here (mltheory.wordpress.com/2022/07/03/analyzing-the-moscow-trials/) Trotsky's secret organization in the USSR, the "Bloc of Rights and Trotskyites" has been exposed. Trotskyists and capitalists always claimed that the organization was a 'stalinist invention'. But since 1980s its existence has been proven from Trotsky's own documents. In the past, Trotskyist historians like I. Deutscher kept it hidden, even though he clearly had also read those documents. There are numerous sources that are discussed in those articles and videos, which corroborate that the Trotsky-Bukharin bloc was involved in terrorist and assassination plans. Their purpose was to kill the 'stalinist leadership' and come to power in a coup during the fascist invasion of the USSR. Their program was to restore the NEP and to give concessions to the invaders, thus basically making a new "brest-litovsk". Their plan is consistent with their beliefs and statements and is supported by evidence. There usually is no good counter-argument to the accusations or proofs, only denials and claims that Trotsky was innocent. Sometimes Trotskyists claim that some small detail in the accusation against Trotsky was false, and try to use that to claim the whole thing was a fabrication. But there are mistakes in every prosecution. The defendants lie and mislead investigators, and especially until 1936, Trotskyists and Right-Opposition elements even had infiltrated the Soviet NKVD itself and could hinder the investigation. I personally cannot explain all the evidence against Trotsky in any other way, except to say there is truth to the charges against him. It genuinely surprises me that some people are able to dismiss all the evidence. Most people of course are not even aware of the evidence.

​@@thefinnishbolshevik2404Thanks for the answer! You are perfectly correct, we must examine the available evidence and conclude according to the reality of the facts. I am a young brazilian worker, and when I had contact with the materials revolutionaries about the old russian social democracy, I identified more with Trotsky's theses in relation to the party debate in the 1920s. Here in Brazil there is not much material on Soviet history, nor on the revolutionary figures who made history at the beginning of the 20th century. I personally believe this is harmful for workers, after all, there is no way to consult reliable historical sources on the great October Revolution, on the Soviet State and on the development of socialism during the Cold War. What remains are reports by English or American authors, who often have some prejudice and do not deal with the issues honestly. Very few authors of this type are saved, like E.H. Carr and Arch Getty. Here there are works by historians such as Robert Conquest (whose reading I prefer to discard) and Sheila Fitzpatrick. There is also the History of the Russian Revolution written by Trotsky, which I found very enjoyable to read. Anyway, I'm going to be more exact, because I've already said a lot of words and I haven't been objective and exact in the question I'd like to ask you: can you point me to a respectable bibliography on socialism? No I refer to Marxism, because I have read the classics of Marx, Engels and Lenin, just as I have read Stalin and Trotsky. But as I already told you, as I do not have a historiographical command over socialism, and To be honest, I have a lot of prejudice towards Stalin, mainly due to the fact that he was the target of anti-communist and anti-Soviet propaganda. Once again, thank you for your attention! Long live socialism!

​@@thefinnishbolshevik2404I wrote an answer, but I don't think You Tube is demonstrating them. Forgive me if you are receiving too many notifications from me. I am a young Brazilian worker who naturally does not speaks English and needs subtitles to understand his videos. I would just like to know if you recommend any bibliography historiographic about the Great Purge and the socialism in the 20th century. Thank you for your attention! Long live socialism!

I will continue. However, the next episode discusses the purge of the Rajk titoists, and therefore I am also preparing a critique of Titoism, which is taking quite a long time. The purge of titoists is integrally linked to the 1956 uprising, because a lot of the destabilization in 1956 was due to Khrushchev's demand to rehabilitate titoism and remove Rakosi as an enemy of Tito.

@@thefinnishbolshevik2404 I see, thanks for the answer!

Or to use a term Stalin used, social fascism but the social part is slipping away.

No, but maybe yes.

@@KozelPraiseGOELRO It's run by a bunch of cryptofascists and Nazi sympathizers and the economic structure is virtually indistinguishable from that of fascist regimes. It's literally modern day fascism with a woke makeover.

@@AEgir347 *parasocial fascism

@@DiscipleOfHeavyMeta1 IOW, it's Chrystia Freeland.

Well, rather not. The utopias of IT youth are more of a cyberpunk type than a cybercommunist type. And besides, in companies dedicated to IT, and big data in particular, there is a tribal or sentimental fondness for "anarcho-capitalism" that is almost delirious.

they started talking about this at the end of August and we're waiting for developments

you can message me on discord (link in the description) or email me at thefinnishbolshevik@gmail.com

toivottavasti ei, mutta kuka olisi uskonut 5 vuotta sitten, että Suomi liittyy Natoon? Ja nyt sitten Natossa ollaan.

Mä oisin uskonu. Oli ihan sata varma juttu jo 1990 luvulla. Suomi on aina ollu länteen kallellaan pois lukien pakotettu suomettumisen aika. LGBT agenda etenee ja NATOT ja EU:t tulilla. Näin se menee. Ja kohta suomessa ei paljo suomalaisia enää ookkaan, ihan ku ruotsissa saksassa ranskassa jne. Näin tää homma menee. @@thefinnishbolshevik2404

​Unfortunately, yes.

it is not clear which symbols would be banned. Probably at least the hammer and sickle. We also don't know what the punishment would be. But we must take these things into account. It certainly will not stop us from promoting these symbols.

It hold back workers liberation.

I don’t know. What's wrong with Genocide.

What’s not wrong with fascism?

@@jmagowan12, that is why third-positionism like national-syndicalism, national-Bolshevism etc is much better.

@@BenitoMussolini-ht7ut Those things have always been in the hands of the rich. It's either workers liberation or Capital's domination, there is not 3rd way.

Only the Central Asian Republics are completely sane regarding the USSR's history. My native Hungary is better than most (cough cough Baltic States, Ukraine, etc.) and its still getting wacky here.

@@jakekaywell5972 which Central Asian republics do you have in mind? For instance, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Kazakhstan are getting brainwashed by nationalism and anti-communism pretty heavily. It's no surprise either - the current ruling elites of all ex-USSR states made themselves by pillaging public assets of the USSR, so, naturally, they demonize it to the max, to legitimize their power and wealth

@@jakekaywell5972Central Asian Republics are NOT completely sane, my friend. Not at all. In fact, I’d say the only two relatively sane ones are Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan. Uzbekistan has undergone decommunization long ago, anti-Soviet and russophobic rhetoric is highly promoted, and ALL symbols of communism such as Lenin statues have been dismantled since the 90’s, way before Ukraine ever did it. Same goes for Turkmenistan, which literally stopped celebrating even Victory Day and has never held a Victory Day parade up until 2020 (and has again stopped doing it since). And Kazakhstan has been becoming increasingly more anticommunist and russophobic under Tokayev, instances of this include a Lenin statue quietly removed in a Kazakh town recently. So, all in all, the only sane ex-Soviet states right now remain Russia (obviously) and Belarus.

@@yumallah Russia is lightyears from being "sane" too - state propaganda is trying to privatize Soviet achievements (i.e. the space program or defeating the Nazis), while pouring tons of sh*t all over the Bolsheviks, Lenin, Stalin, Marxism, etc, and cracking down on contemporary communists (not counting soc-chauvinists like the CPRF). There's also an obvious attempt to create a positive public opinion towards the Russian Empire and white-army fascists like Kolchak and Mannerheim. They're also heavily advertising the writings of fascist "philosophers" like Ivan Ilyin, putting that Nazi garbage into school programs to zombify kids. Considering all of the above, and the fact that any kind of meaningful political opposition to the status-quo currently just gets stamped out by the cops, Russia is already a fascist state, and it's only getting worse. Belarus is a bit less eclectic (at least official propaganda doesn't glorify fascists), but it's still a capitalist state and basically a satellite of Russia.

​@@jakekaywell5972 Strange, the young in Hungary seem to be more attracted to Nazism and Fascism. I am also Hungarian.