we need seriously something to make this languages and culture not die, I am polish but when I read about Mari, Ingrian and other Finno Ugric people it makes me so sad that these unique and kinda mysterious people's culture and language is near extinction
@@sdominik3945 promotion (genuine) similar to this ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-axROI6VHhxg.html might spark care towards their own language and culture - most importantly among youngsters. But it can easily be touchy topic because of politics - especially if Baltics and Polish are involved. That's why fennougria.ee/en/grants/kindred-peoples-programme/ is kept strictly cultural (at least by government) - it is also The strongest link between Estonians, Fins and Hungarians with Russia
I am so proud of you! We should never forget our great finno ugric origins and languages and we shall fight for their freedom! I wish one day karelia, komi, sami and more will be independent.
@@m.p3982 Finno Ugric peoples Russia are free and Finland was zavisema and were in slavish position from Sweden you perhaps forgotten history Maija p or not knew and who you Finns released from tyranny Sweden from full destruction ethnos Finns Yes Maija p precisely Russian Empire in 1809 year on friedrichsgamskomu peace Treaty Russia annexed to itself entire territory Finland. From 1809 to 1917 Finland the Grand Duchy of Finland was part of the Russian Empire, enjoyed the widest autonomy for example, had its own currency the Finnish mark during this time the population of Finland grew Yes or you Maija p think that Finland should control lead the Ugric peoples russia don't make me laugh freedom Maija p.
@@m.p3982 And now the facts of the history of 1941, Nazi Germany Hitler together with Finland attacked the Soviet Union, Finland took over the whole of Karelia the capital is Petrozavodsk was founded by Peter 1, you Finns are direct partners supporters of the blockade of Leningrad died of hunger millions of people and that we have never forget Maija p the Leningrad didn't need German leadership and Finland, too, as the city had together to wipe it off the face of the earth and to hold German Finnish border on the river Neva and the leaves of the territory of Finland and the southern territory of Nazi Germany such were the plans and not have tales to tell Maija p obidne about Finland, about Russia always attacks.
@@Sigakoer I'm from Singapore which is a small city state with a population of 5.6 million. Idk about you but a similar number of Finnish speakers and only 1+ million Estonian speakers doesn't sound like a lot to me :/
@@YummYakitori However both languages have their respective countries. As long as they exist those two won't die out. It's the others that don't have a whole country backing them that are dwindling.
Nothing makes me more sad than seeing many of my fellow Finno-Ugric languages slowly fading away. I feel so powerless. I wan't to help so badly, but there isn't much I can do. I wish all the luck to everyone speaking or learning one of those languages, I am Estonian. Never be embarrassed to speak a language that makes you unique, be proud!
I know North Sami will make it atleast. We are so fucking stubborn the people that move here will just learn our language because they get tired of feeling left out in group conversations.
@@Vuosta Yes in my opinion the official Sami language with over 30 thousand speakers can survive, when in northern Finland they mainly speak Sami, when finnish people dont want to live that much up there i north, where sun does not rise in winter and is no forrets, because is too cold. The other smaller Sami languages I think can die out then, because there is only few thousand speakers of thoese langauges or even only in the hundreds of some of Sami languages, so they might die out, when the official Sami langauge becomes the most useful Sami language to speak.
@@kalevala29 Low birth rates might be one reason, but if language has only under 5000 speakers. Many are not that intrested to learn the langauge or use it all, because its not that used language that it would have useage in your life and, if only old people speak the language and younger people learn only more dominant languages. That is clear sign of language dying out. Some things that also affect on langauge death is heavy oppressing from more dominant langauge back in the day.
its crazy that as a finn i understand some words in votic they might mean different things but still. ingrian and karelian sounds almost exactly like finnish
Ingrians are Tavastians, who migrated there when Sweden ceded the area from Russia in 16th century. Ofcourse, there was other Baltic Finns already living there much before anyone there knew anything about Slavs.
@@heikkisallinen9012 You talk about Ingrian Finns. Ingrians (Izhorians) were living mostly in central part of Inkeri, southwest from St. Petersburg, and actually considered themselves Karelians in the past. It looks more like they were a subgroup of Karelians, until the Soviets were like "wtf, St. Petersburg is surrounded by Karelians", and so a separate identity was introduced.
@@forgottenmusic1 Yet they speak different languages. At least me, as Estonian understand Ingerian more clearly, based on given sample in video. It might be to do that I was exposed to the language in early childhood, our elderly neighbor was from Ingerian. She wasn't allowed to return to home after Siberia, pud had possibility to come to Estonia, she knew that Estonia, Estonians and language might resemble home more than any other alternative (eg East-Russia or Poland). On the other hand she had passed almost her entire life in Estonia, and I was very young at the time. I assume she rather spoke Estonian with Ingerian accent -- she did spoke bit differently. When Regime finally collapsed and borders opened, her son come and took her home. On the other hand, just bit over century ago, people in Estonia thought they are Estonians, but also nearly every village was curtain that people in neighboring villages speaks broken language. Language alone does not define people. You can have different languages while being still same nation.
@Codyyh Yes, I understand them almost perfectly (especially Ingrian and Karelian), as a Finn, myself; to the point that they might just as well be dialects of Finnish, based on mutual intelligibility 🇫🇮.
the languages in russia have heavy russian accents not only in the russian loanwords but in many of the native words except from the older speakers. kind of sad that they are loosing their language to the russian language. but that is what happens when peoples are absorbed. lost in time like tears in rain
If you are interested in Ural languages and culture, I suggest you take a look at this Sami music... :) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-HyRan7oUUQ0.html
@@PC_Simo As a native Russian speaker it seems quite interesting for me that in some of those russified languages I seem to hear some phonemes I usually expect from turkic languages rather than Uralic/Slavic-Indoeuropean languages. Unlike Estonian/Finnic, the pronunciation in languages like Komi and Udmurtian seems to sound slightly Turkic to me. But for the prosodical part - there is definitely heavy Russian influence on some those - obviously because of bilingualism.
@@anatolikalyuk Yes, I was also *DEFINITELY* hearing some Turkic elements/influence in some of the pronunciations of a few of these languages; and many of them are spoken near major Kipchak and Siberian Turkic hot-spots, so that could definitely explain these influences. Also, I’m pretty sure that Turkic, Uralic, and Mongolic languages shared a ”Sprachbund”, way back yee-haw; and some of them still do, like Hungarian and Turkish. Definitely interesting, and not something you’d necessarily think of immediately, when confronted with names, like: ”Uralic”, ”Finno-Ugric”, or ”Turkic”. Very good observation, my friend. 🙂👍🏻
and Hungarian: reciting a really beautiful poem Babits Mihály: Esti kérdés (Evening question) here is the original video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-dGaPRXB2aBo.html ENG translation here (little different but still gives the original vibes): www.babelmatrix.org/works/hu/Babits_Mih%C3%A1ly-1883/Esti_k%C3%A9rd%C3%A9s/en/54127-Question_At_Night "you ask the question with dejected eyes - oh, why the silk, the sea, the butterflies, and why the evening's velvet-silky marvel? and why the flames, the sweet and sorry games, the sea, where farmers never sow a grain? and why the ebb and tide of swelling waters, and why the clouds, Danaos' gloomy daughters, remembrances, the past in heavy chain, the sun, this burning Sisyphean boulder? and why the moon, the lamps shoulder to shoulder and Time, that endless ever-dripping drain? or take a blade of grass as paradigm: why does it grow if it must wilt sometime? why does it wilt if it will grow again?"
I'm Hungarian and when I heard about language families for the first time I wanted to know who do we relate to the most in terms of language. I have learnt in school about my ancestors' original land (somewhere in Eastern-Europe around the Urals) and the closest languages to my own. Mansi is one example. I have felt that I'm connected to this language family when hearing recordings. They might be different, but not by that much. I had that feeling when a language speaker meets a foreigner who has many words similiar to him. It feels like that you have found parts of your root. I'm sad that the Finno-Ugric language family is struggling with extinction. I would be happy if met a few of them. I have already planned on learning Finnish, but I can add more of these languages when Ihave time.
@iamyesyouareno Then, what would you take as facts, in this case? If you speak a Finno-Ugric language and listen to these recordings, you can hear the similarities for yourself.
@iamyesyouareno the Finno-Ugric origin of Hungarian was revealed by scientists in the 19th century and has been held in such regard regardless of the political environment. It is also attested by linguists worldwide. I'm a Hungarian who studied a bit of both Turkish and Finnish, and while many words that seem to be basic, come from Turkish (such as alma (H) / elma (T) (apple) or kicsi (H) / küçük (T) (little)) the grammar is fundamentally different with very few similarities. On the other hand, Finnish has many grammatical similarities with extremely familiar core vocabulary (menee (F) / menni (H) (to go), millainen (F) / milyen (H) (what kind of), the word joo / jó which means approval and is pronounced and used in the exact same way etc.)
@iamyesyouareno Due to the difference in vocabulary, it can be harder to hear the similarities between Hungarian and some of the other languages here; and if you don’t know the words, you can’t really discern between any similarities/differences in grammar, but you can always listen to the pronunciation of words, and especially the rhytm of the speech (like, how the stress is always on the first syllable; I don’t know of any other language family, where this is such a prevalent trait). But Hungarian’s classification is still under some debate; though reasonable consensus exists that Hungarian’s closest relatives are Khanty and Mansi.
@@mysteriousDSF Yeah, I don’t really know Hungarian, but as for grammar, for example our words for ”for the most wonderful ones” have eerie similarities: ”Suurenmoisimmille” (Finnish) / “Legnagyszerűbbeknek” (Hungarian); both essentially translating to: ”Great-like-[superlative]-[plural]-[dative]”; though in Hungarian, if I’m correct, the superlative actually has both a prefix: ”leg-” and a suffix: ”-bb”.
@Jennikaisa chan I feel the exact same way. As a Finn, with a bit of Russian blood, I hope and pray that our relatives would hold on to their beautiful languages. 😭❤️
Nagyon szepen koszonom ezt a gyonyoru eloadast! As a Hungarian living in California for over 54 years I haven’t been hearing other Finno Ugrik languages spoken so this presentation represents a great deal of enjoyment!
As an Estonian who has watched Finnish TV during Soviet occupation I can understand all the Finnic languages.. Magyar is just great, love it! And our relatives in Russia: lots of love to you, you are beautiful!
Hi. I was in Estonia, a very nice country, I went through it thoroughly. We don't eat bears in Hungary, but I brought canned bears and it was very tasty.
@@zhl5806 Брехня, многие украинцы и другие славяне поливают финно-угров грязью. Недавно наткнулась на украинское видео, где русские назывались финно-уграми. Ладно бы один ролик, но там целый канал на эту тему. И комментарии просто шикарные: "вот тупые чухонцы украли историю Киевской Руси и стали называть себя русскими". Это что? Как нам на это реагировать? Может Вы и уважаете финно-угров, но это, к сожалению, не меняет ситуации
@@nashtokloginovskaya1568 да, некоторые украинцы ошибаются, увы.... Нам очень сложно, мой город, например, бомбят, я каждый день проверяю, цел ли мой дом, моя квартира... Но если финно-угры, в том числе мокшане, эрзяне, и прочие сейчас поддержат Украину и заявят на отдаление он Москвы, то тогда украинцы будут поддерживать. С эстонцами и финнами у Украины отличные отношения..
@@zhl5806 Такое себе могут позволить только независимые политические структуры. Скажем, если бы и каждая русская область была бы независимой, не говоря уже о республиках других народов, можете не сомневаться в том, что большинство бы из них не поддержало бы подобное вторжение, потому что в этом нет никакого смысла. А так что политики скажут, того и поддерживают.
I'll add some Samoyedic info, because why not. Nenets: ~21,000 (2010 census) 95% of them are Tundra Nenets, and only 5% Forest Nenets. The general interest of Nenets is declining, even though most Nenets people pass their language on to their children. Although few, there are still some monolingual Nenets children who only learn a bit of Russian in schools. Enets: ~45 (2010 census) This language also has two dialects: Forest (Bai) and Tundra (Madu). It is by far one of the most threatened languages. Older generations may still speak it rarely, but not even the parental generation knows anything about it. However, due to the Enets Language Nest in Potapovo, the youth still gets to know Bai Enets. Nganasan: ~150 (2010 census) Ngansan has two distinct "dialects": Avam and Vadey. The use of Nganasan increasingly declines. Most Nganasans have either picked up Russian for themselves or their Children, or have underwent troubeling alcoholism problems, one of the strongest threats among most people of the far north. Children generally don't get to know Nganasan, although there are a few people still living nomadic, passing the language on, all children are either bilingual or don't speak Nganasan at all. Ngansan itself forms a very unique language, as it is probably of Evenki or Dolgan origin, but has over time slowly been "Samoyed-ified". Selkup/Sel'kup: ~1000 (2010 census) The only remaining South-Samoyedic and Kamas-Selkup language, a distinct branch. It is spoken mostly by older people, and usage is very limited. There are three general "dialects": Taz, Tym, and Ket Sel'kup. Wether these even more threatened languages survive or not, is probably a matter of time... in the meantime, let's try to preserve the languages we have where we live. At all costs.
What those children desperately need is native linguistic environment. Besides other speakers, this means media, that means media they use, them actually want to use (no filters). This means beside magazines, music and radio/tv shows also PC-UI, programs, games, webpages. To achieve this is costly. But for very least there are open-source and crowd source projects like OS (computer): translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu games: www.slant.co/topics/1933/~best-open-source-games office: wiki.documentfoundation.org/Translating_LibreOffice I'd hope Estonian Language Institute (eki.ee), could help other fenno-ugrian languages with creating their versions of: * www.eki.ee/heli/ (we use it in web and television too, very useful for people with sight issues, even reading aloud TV subtitles - never a human, but still quite good) * kaljurand.github.io/K6nele/about/ : this one transcribes voice to text pretty successfully. For example state uses similar project for instant subtitles for press-conferences , which is useful with thouse that have hearing difficulties. I use given app as notebook (it writes up what I speak). Actually EKI seams already have dedicated page, with contacts provided ("Hõimurahvad" > "Fenno-Ugrians" : portaal.eki.ee//hoimurahvasteprogramm.html It's not really that hard, I ended up doing them for a while instead crosswords. You need translators, what about including children them selves.
@@jzk3919 first of all, the E word is by most Inuit considered to be a slur, like the n word. Secondly, Nenets are not Inuit. Or Yupik. Do people seriously think all arctic dwellers are the same? Thirdly, no. Not a chance. Look at a map of Nenets people. They'd have to travel over 10.000 kilometres.
@@maxi6457 Even Sami and Nenets are different, no less than Finns, Estonians and Hungarians or Icelanders and Danes (despite similarities they have). Russia is actually incredibly rich of indigenous peoples and cultures.
To me most beautiful sound is Sami language and Hungarian language😍. Hungarian sounds like elvish to me and Sami language sound like native American but even more beautiful.. They say that Finnish sounds elvish too but it is my native language so I don't hear it that way.
I'm Hungarian, Finnish sounds more 'elvish' but sometimes it can sound really rough too. Hungarian also can be rough, actually some foreigners find it ugly. (I don't know because I'm Hungarian)
Well Tolkien used both Finnish and Hungarian to build his languages. Finnish was used to build the high elf language Quenya. If I recall corrctly, he used Hungarian to make an Orcish language. Elves and orcs were same people actually, the orcs were just corrupted (I think by Sauron), so it made sense to use two relative languages too.
@@Aurinkohirvi Orcish and Black Speech don't look Hungarian influenced. I read LOTR , one of the orcish word what I remember is 'ghásh' (fire) . Fire is 'tűz' in Hungarian.
@@sectorgovernor I looked into this matter, and the language where he was using Hungarian was Mágol. He used both Elvish and Hungarian to create the language, and meant to use if for Orcs, but never actually used it (except one word he kept). So he had this idea, but it was never used. A link I found now: tolkiengateway.net/wiki/M%C3%A1gol
Tenni kell-nem sajnàlkozni. Az USA-ban 1980 körül a "cajun" nyelv kihalt /"pig-latinnak csufolva a franciàbol torzitott nyelvet/. De hivatalosan védett lett!
It's not pathetic, but I get what you mean. It didn't represent the Hungarian language correctly. For someone who doesn't understand Hungarian would think that we sound angry all the time :)
Although the status of hungarian language is safe, it's far dialects (linguistically almost separate, but mutually intelligible) such as Székely (szekler hungarian, Transylvania) and especially Csángó (moldvan hungarian) are extremely endangered. The Romanian and Moldavian states limit (or even inhibit) the hungarians to use and practice their language, its disappearing from the schools and the people are facing forced assimilation. Especially the Csángó people in Moldavia, hungarian usage is even rare at home, within the family. The language education is completely removed from all schools. Csángó people speak a very very old, early medieval form of the hungarian language. Lots of different words, one more verb tense and other ancient grammar divides this dialect from modern hungarian.
As Estonian, Vadjan was the most understandable. Really it felt like dialect older people would speak but 95% understandable (I'd even claim that Estonian Setu or Võru dialects are harder to understand than Vadjan). Livonian felt like dialect too but around 80% understandable. Vepsa had lots of Slavic words but fragmentarily understandable. Karelian/Ingrian sounded lots like Finnish, don't know enough to evaluate similarity.. Finnish.. is Finnish. Udmurtian was mostly Russian, same with Komi - honestly didn't catch any Finnic word. Khanty was utterly alien-sounding..
van egy az 50-es években leningrádban kiadott kb 500 oldalas könyvem pdf-ben, amivel elvileg meg lehet tanulni mansiul, ha gondolod át tudom küldeni. az egyedüli baj, hogy oroszul van. valamennyire tudok oroszul, le is akarom fordítani, de minimum 1, de inkább 2+ év, mire kész lenne.
Thank you for this video, I am an Australian who is very interested in the various cultures of Russia. It is a shame that the minority languages are dying out.
Spanish or english killed more languages that russian, don't be hypocrite. El español o el igles llevaron a extincion muchas mas lenguas, no seas ipocrito. De hecho creo que en Rusia tienen cierta oficialidad y proteccion que lenguas americanas o lenguas bantues en Africa donde la lengua oficial es una de Europa Occidental
I am just beginning to learn Finnish now, and I would love to learn more about these beautiful languages in the future. Especially the Sámi languages. I love linguistics and hate to see languages die out. It's the death of a culture.
I absolutely agree with you. Also, I am planning to learn the Sámi languages, some day. Thank you for learning my language (I am Finnish). Love from Finland 🇫🇮❤️🦉.
Hey Finno-Ugrics cousins in language family! Here are some old Hungarian word, try it on your own language! :) víz (water), szarv (horn), szarvas (deer), kéz (arm), szem (eye), száj (mouth), ín (tendon), fej (head), tar (bald), ki (who), mi (what), anya (mother), fa (tree), vér (blood), kő (stone), tűz (fire), szél (wind), nyíl (arrow), hal (fish), él (live), jég (ice), vén (old), menni (go), alatt (under), fölé (above), rege (old story), yurta (tent-house), lyuk (hole), monya/tojás (egg), puha (soft), van (is), egy kettő három négy öt hat hét nyolc kilenc tiz (1-10), húsz (20), száz (100)
Ok i`m estonian and i´m in:) When Iron Curtain fell I made my first Backpack travels to Hungary and Romania and Tyrkie. And I somehow just fell in love with Hungary. I do not know why. I even started to learn hungarian. Only textbooks available over russian at that time. Managed to buy pretty solid Magyar-Angol Szòtàr in Budapest. Sorry to make that long and tedious introduction. But I think our basic words go back thousands of years. víz(vesi), szarv(sarv), kéz(käsi), szem(silm), száj (suu), vér(veri), kő(kivi), hal(kala), él (elu), jég(jää), vén(vana), menni(mine), alatt(all) and so on...
@@zygoptera666 this is why I wrote some words, to compare! 😊 If you have more just frel free to share! Have you ever wondered, that Finnish, Estonian and Hungarian are offical and allowed languages in the EU, but other ugoric languages are "suffering under Russia"? They will disappear soon. So sad.
@@JoeSanHUN Yeah. It is as history goes. About suffering under russia in 2020 I can't tell. But large part of russian population consists of Finno- Ugrians. (Maybe even V.V.P. himself:) I just pointed out some distant Fin-Hun linquistic similarities. Is it important? I do not know.
Quite similar words in Finnish (added some more). Water (water) sarvi (horn) käsi (arm) silmä (eye) suu (mouth) pää (head) tuli (fire) nuoli (arrow) veri (blood) elää (live) mennä (go) alla (under) pehmeä (soft) muna (egg) kivi (stone) olla (be) kolo (hole) lapsi (child) äiti (mom) isä (dad) perhe (family) koulu (school) ruoka (food) syödä (eat) eläin (animal) koti (home) nukkua (sleep) Yksi (one) kaksikymmentä (twenty) sata (hundred) tuhat (1000)
It's really strange how well I can understand all these languages and dialects belonging to the same language family, it's confusing. When I listen carefully, I separate all the words (of course, the meaning of some may be different). My grandparents were from Karelia (now Karelia in Russia) and spoke a really strong Karelian dialect. I heard it all through my childhood and youth and it was strange that when I was with them, I automatically began to speak the same dialect myself and completely understood what they were saying. Their parents spoke an even stronger dialect, it sounded like the Karelian dialect and the Russian language were mixed together, but it was also understood. Perhaps the hardest for me to understand of all of them is the Hungarian language. Paljon terveisiä Suomesta 🇫🇮 !
Because Hungarian is the most ancient of them all. He added 500 words to Yiddish, Ancient Greek, and Etruscan, the predecessor of the Romans. In order for the Austrians to create the AU-UNG Monarchy, they delved into the history of the Hungarian language. They are still researching, but the question is getting more and more.
Hi, I want to understand how close Estonian and Livonian are. Could you really understand some words but not what the text is about or could you understand everything (like it would be a dialect)?
@@rode7916 To me Livonian sounds as different as Võro, but like it would have additional Latvian accent (long time neighboring Kuržis) - on same reason it is much harder to read (many symbols that I do not know how to react to). I also recognize several features from west-coast and islands. Have not had a chance yet - but could imagine vocal communication as possible as Harju vs Setu (can make out each other) That "additional Latvian accent" what makes them it special in a good way. In Estonia similar cases would have been with neighboring Estonian and Åibo villages (Kihnu).
As an Estonian: Livonian is slightly understandable and I can make out large portion of what the speaker is saying. Votic and Ingrian are extremely similar to Estonian, even more so that Finnish. I can make out more of Karelian than Finnish. Rest of the languages have some similar words to Estonian, but I can't make out exactly what is said. Hungarian is just... I don't even know why we are related at this point :D
@@silveriver9 Language and culture wise yes... finno-ugric people have lived on these lands for thousands of years. Russians have developed from proto-slavs who in turn were kievan vikings from scandinavia. Today's russians are mix and match from hundreds of years of cultural influence.
as a Finnish and Estonian native speaker, I could understand many of these language and @obon b your video is amazing. From some random guy on the internet.
The Hungarian part from the video: Babits Mihály: Esti kérdés (Evening question) here is the original video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-dGaPRXB2aBo.html ENG translation here (little different but still gives the original vibes): www.babelmatrix.org/works/hu/Babits_Mih%C3%A1ly-1883/Esti_k%C3%A9rd%C3%A9s/en/54127-Question_At_Night "you ask the question with dejected eyes - oh, why the silk, the sea, the butterflies, and why the evening's velvet-silky marvel? and why the flames, the sweet and sorry games, the sea, where farmers never sow a grain? and why the ebb and tide of swelling waters, and why the clouds, Danaos' gloomy daughters, remembrances, the past in heavy chain, the sun, this burning Sisyphean boulder? and why the moon, the lamps shoulder to shoulder and Time, that endless ever-dripping drain? or take a blade of grass as paradigm: why does it grow if it must wilt sometime? why does it wilt if it will grow again?"
It is strange, but to me as a hungarian the rhythm of Sámi sounds really like ours, but still you can't understand a single thing. The closest though based on all of them is Khanty-Mansi even without knowing it from the books, it sounds like an ancient version of hungarian or if someone would speak completely drunk... :D
They are so many! As a Finn I hope they will survive! And if they are so many, Finnish language is not any curiosity, as it sometimes feels, but a language in a large language-family, mostly spoken in the north.
I`m Bulgarian, a Slavic language speaker, but I`m impressed by these languages. They are so difficult, with so many cases. Real cultural treasures, real challenge for Slavic language speakers.:)
Difficulty goes both ways - reason is different logic - do little common ground to learn it more easily (eg: lack of vs existence of grammatical genders ~ maybe why English feels much easier for Estonians). To know different language is also a tool to think differently. But still doable, students from aboard achieve pretty nice communication level with just 2 months ~ depending on motivation. And our toddlers seem achieved incredible levels at very young ages - will it be English, Bulgarian or Hungarian ;-)
@@KohaAlbert Yes, grammatical genders, for instance, are a challenge; though nowhere near the lottery that is Swedish (en vs. ett), which you just have to guess/remember by heart for each noun. On the other hand, (at least) Russian has a few redeeming factors for me, as a Finn, like the aspects, which share basically the same logic as the Finnish aspects; as well as the person inflections of verbs (hell, the 2nd person plural even has virtually the same suffix: «-те» (in Russian), vs. ”-tte” (in Finnish), sometimes the 3rd person plural, as well (in the 2nd conjugation): the Russian «-ят» (”-yat”), vs. the Finnish ”-vat”/ ”-vät”. 🇫🇮🇷🇺
@Kiss Zoltán Indeed. I don’t remember, for sure, but they might actually take part in the ”Great Kurultáj” (a Pan-Turanist event, held in Hungary, as a response to the surrounding Europeanism) 🤔.
Yeah this is very sad. And of the Uralic language family, this video missed the Samoyed languages completely. Still some hope for couple of those languages in Russia, at least to survive longer. But ultimately they all face same fate so many Uralic languages already have faced.
Yes, Samoyeds often are forgotten, I guess it is hard to find spoken Samoyedic languages I found spoken Nenets and Selkup though. Finding anything in Enets is the really hard
Enets is almost died out. Not only the language, but the people too. I read somewhere they usually mix with Nenets, Dolgans or other people and lose their identity.
I am Finnish and I understand some words and even sentences from the Livonian speech, Some words from the Estonian speech, Few words from the Votic, Almost all of the Ingrian, Maybe 40% of the Vepsian, All of Karelian and all of the Finnish speech (obviously). The rest I can't understand at all, except the word 'language' wich in most languages is similiar to finnish 'kieli'.
As a Hungarian, Mansi sounds the most close to our language but it is not mutually intelligible. We hope to not die out, but for that a big shift in demographics has to happen. This is a big problem in all European countries, starting from the 1970s.
As a Mexican-American woman living in Finland I know how important it is to keep your roots alive. I sure hope these people don't let these languages die. It's part of their history, their culture, it's who they are.
There isn't much incentive for young people to learn them. Helsinki and Tartu universities are doing their bit to preserve these languages. And so am I. Even though I'm in England atm.
Really think Meänkieli was well-fitted for this one. A minority language spoken in Tornevalley, meaning partly north-eastern Sweden and north-western Finland. Tornevalley has had Finnish settlements since the medievals and thanks 2 Swedish kings and the Russian tzar the land was divided and the people living there was isolated from the Finnish side so to speak and then established a slightly different language than the ordinary Finnish. I myself belong to this minority though I never grew up there
Tietääkseni meän kieli on aika samankaltaista suomeen verrattuna. Suomessahan sitä pidetään kai suomen murteena. Pystytkö sä ymmärtämään mitä mä tässä viestissä sanon vai puhutko jotain muuta kieltä äidinkielenä?
As a Bulgarian, the fact that these languages are going extinct breaks my heart. Bulgar people aren’t Turkic as “scientists” and “historians” claim - we are Uralic, we came from the Volga-Ural region, the home of Mari, Erzya and Moksha people. It’s truly unbelievable that Bulgarians are closer to Northern peoples like Finns and Estonians than to our neighbours Serbians and Greeks (even though Bulgars mixed with Slavs and Hellenic people)... We are brothers and sisters 🇧🇬❤️🇫🇮❤️🇪🇪❤️🇭🇺
Thank you for the heartfelt comment; I agree with you about the need to protect these languages. I didn’t know that Bulgars are Uralic; thanks for the info, that’s pretty cool to know 😮. I wish you Bulgarians well, as well, from Finland, your brothers-in-arms against the Ottomans. 🇫🇮❤️🇧🇬
@@PC_Simo Aww thank you so much 😊🥺 🇧🇬❤️🇫🇮 Recently, I found DNA estimation that the proto-Bulgars have 69.6% Uralic-like DNA (32.1% Northern European, 22.5% Siberian and 15.0% East Asian). Modern Bulgarians are 32.9% Northern European (maybe mostly Slavic since the Bulgars mixed with them), and their amount of “Mongoloid” DNA is about 2% What about Finns 😮
@@lonelyhetaliafangirl4936 I’d say that Finns are primarily Finno-Ugric/Finnic (based on our long history of isolation and our very unique Finnish Disease Heritage (FDH): No diseases like cystic fibrosis (CF), but instead diseases rarely, if ever, seen elsewhere, like asparthylglucosaminuria (AGU) and the Salla disease), with more Norse influence in the Western Finnish ”tribes” at the coasts, more Slavic influence in the Eastern Finnish ”tribes”, and more Sámi influence in the Northern Finnish ”tribes”. I don’t know the exact percentages, though. 🤔
Thankfully genetic tests have become more accessible nowadays. I have found out that some of my ancestors presumably were speakers of some languages from the video. I’m still doubtful about choosing one to learn, which I definitely would like to do. At least I have Veps, Finnish, Saami, or Erzya languages, to choose from. They all seem very challenging for a native speaker of an Indo-European family. And the smaller population of speakers the harder it would be to find proper educational resources and speakers to practice with.
I suppose it depends on your aim. If you want to be able to use it irl it's probably smart to choose Finnish, but if you want to help "save" a language, one of the smaller ones are the way to go. Finnish is definitely the most accessible one as it is even on duolingo.
Mass assimilation of other nations is currently taking place in Russia. In Finno-Ugric languages not published district newspapers, there are no radio stations (except one in Mari, Komi and Udmurt languages). There are no television channels. The schools do not teach Finno-Ugric languages. A stark contrast to what is happening in France for the Bretons, for the Welsh in the UK, for the Irish in Ireland, for the Basque and Catalan in Spain, for the Sorbs in Germany. Hungarians have their own radio stations in Romania, Slovakia and Ukraine.
In Western Europe people are capable of analysis and thinking. I lived in the USSR for 14 years and recently went to Russia for 2 weeks. The propaganda of lies in Russia is even greater than under Stalin. There is no independent media in Russia. About Finno-Ugric peoples, i can read the statistics published by the Russian.
En ole suomalainen, mutta opiskelen suomen kieltä ja minun mielestäni, että tämä on maailman kauniin kieli. (Native Finnish speakers, you can correct me if I committed any mistake :)
As an Estonian, Votic sounds the most similar to Estonian, I can make up like most of the sentences said, the Ingrian one is a little off but still could be understood, but Veps are too far off. Livonian is also close but easier to understand written than hearing.
As an Estonian, Votic and Ingrian are easiest to understand. Votic sounds so similar to Estonian, to think that it's so close to extinction makes me sad.
Votic: talking about how there are only 64 votic people (??) how every job is important and how good it is that they are helping them... Ingrian: talking about how there are so little amount of Ingrian people, 250 people... Vepsian: Talking about letting next generations know about Vepsian culture and traditions. At the end of some year there was 76 something in Carelia Carelian: Talking about Carelian language courses, first was in 1991 and there were 40 people there.. Finnish: talking about headlights 😁 So yeah, this is all I got from these. Some greeting I easily understood in other languages too but then was lost..
What those children desperately need is native linguistic environment. Besides other speakers, this means media, that means media they use, them actually want to use (no filters). This means beside magazines, music and radio/tv shows also PC-UI, programs, games, webpages. To achieve this is costly. But for very least there are open-source and crowd source projects like OS (computer): translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu games: www.slant.co/topics/1933/~best-open-source-games office: wiki.documentfoundation.org/Translating_LibreOffice I'd hope Estonian Language Institute (eki.ee), could help other fenno-ugrian languages with creating their versions of: * www.eki.ee/heli/ (we use it in web and television too, very useful for people with sight issues, even reading aloud TV subtitles - never a human, but still quite good) * kaljurand.github.io/K6nele/about/ : this one transcribes voice to text pretty successfully. For example state uses similar project for instant subtitles for press-conferences , which is useful with thouse that have hearing difficulties. I use given app as notebook (it writes up what I speak). Actually EKI seams already have dedicated page, with contacts provided ("Hõimurahvad" > "Fenno-Ugrians" : portaal.eki.ee//hoimurahvasteprogramm.html It's not really that hard, I ended up doing them for a while instead crosswords. You need translators, what about including children them selves.
I'm trying to do something. But the Finns I meet don't care. Maybe it's time to make new friends. I speak Estonian as well as Finnish. Even that seems traitorous to most of them. Originally I was learning it for fun. Now Uralic studies is my main passion in life.
I mean, idk about the Karelian one cause my grandma who's still alive was born in Karelia and speaks it, she fled karelia during ww2 and the speech in this video literally just sounds like a russian speaking finnish, compared to my grandma speaking with a accent.
Ingrian and Votic sounded like Estonian with a really strong Russian accent. And when the Finno Ugric languages in Russia sound very Russian, then Saami language has very distinct Northern Germanic sound.
I've been thinking if it's possible that Saami has influence from old Norse language? Comparing to modern Icelandic etc. Some written words/locations have similar vibe to it.
This is a message to all My Uralic Brothers and sister, Whana know how you preserve then Just type Doom n Gloom? Read, study and have more Babies. Im a Finnswed, My Family Lost Our Finnish Long Time Ago. But as a stunborn man i am, im gona learn Finnish, and mabey My dialect i gain out off it, mig plant a New Seed, and a New Dawn for My People, and Kinsmen. Things only die, when you let it go.
Why aren’t Samoyed languages talked about? They are related, all of these are Uralic languages, but they are the only ones not included in “Finno-Ugric” so they seem to get even less recognition…
plus, more and more scholars do not think Finno-Ugric is a legitimate grouping. in other words, Ugric might be equally distant from both Finnic and Samoyedic.
@@ryanchon8702 Ok interesting!! It’s hard to tell which ones are more distant, to me as a finn some of these on the video sound exactly the same as russian, while hungarian was supposed to be the furthest away but even that sounds more familiar 😅😅 i looked up some wordbooks and even those are just filled with russian, it’s honestly a miracle any of these have survived the russian takeover… Do you speak any uralic language or just interested in linguistics?))
@@myrrysmaikku I'm studying linguistics but I became interested in the Uralic family after I started to learn Finnish. the way I understand it, Finnish/Estonian and Hungarian have some superficial similarities because both have been influenced by nearby European languages for many, many centuries. this manifests in both the vocabulary (loanwords) and grammar (SVO order instead of SOV, development of definite articles "az ember" in Hungarian = "se ihminen" in colloq. Finnish). although Uralic languages spoken in Russia today may sound quite Russian and have lots of Russian loanwords, this has more to do with the overwhelming dominance of Russian in these communities in recent times. also, Hungarian is not a good representative of Ugric as a whole because of the European influence. the Ugric languages in Siberia often have more similarities to Samoyedic languages. unfortunately, "Finno-Ugric" persists as a basically misleading and Eurocentric label for Uralic that just came into common use because Finns and Hungarians were the two major European representatives of this poorly understood (not anymore) family from the East. Samoyeds were too geographically distant and "Asian" to be considered at that time.
@@ryanchon8702 Oh okay how cool 🤩 you chose well lol, paljon menestystä opintoihin 😎😎 Yeah, never even heard samoyeds mentioned ever :// only found out we are long lost cousins after wondering why our dogs look kinda similar haha 🤷♀️ But yep, that would make sense, that they were too far away and foreign for europeans to care about them 😬 Even though culturally i think sami have a lot of similarities with them, but i guess they haven’t been much appreciated for very long either… So which one do you think is the best preserved? 🤔 I know that swedish has influeced finnish a lot both naturally and intentionally, from people being forced to speak swedish, to changing native ways of speaking finnish to sound more “proper” like with the d sound - but wouldn’t that sort of thing have happened even more in a smaller minority nation? Like, take the karelian dialect speaker in the video; the environmental influence is so strong that, even though she has maybe the least russian accent i’ve heard, all the s’s are still ш’s, etc 😅
Im Finnish, and I could regognize / understand alot from many of these languages that I never really heard of. Its like mind blown. Specially Karelian and ingrian, those are basically so close that the message is fully understood. Then Votic, Estonian in that order. Estonian I knew already its similar, but those others are wow effect for me. That karelian is more like a dialect of Finnish than foreign language, Ingrian is very understandable even tho I never knew about it before. I mean I heard that they exist and are related, but I didint know the language is that similar.
In order of intelligibility to me 1. Finnish (my native language) 2. Karelian & Ingrian (some Finnish dialects are less intelligible) 3. Votic (like a little more distant Finnish dialect) 4. Livonian (I understand most of it but clearly a different language) 5. Vepsian (would be easier without the strong Russian accent) 6. Estonian (I can guess the meaning with high chance of misunderstanding) 7. Sámi (I know some words but mostly unintelligible) 8. all the rest (completely unintelligible)
The only one that's significantly different than standard Hungarian is Csángó, as it preserves a lot of the elements of an older version of Hungarian before the standardization of the 19th century. As essentially all Hungarians except for the Csángós lived in Hungary until the end of the Great War, all the others speak standard Hungarian, albeit some of them with accents or with some local words mixed in.
My father is csango, his granparents use to speak csango. Nobody likes to admit they are csangos ( ceangăi), is a shame. They define themselves like romanian catholics. The northern dialect is lost for good here in Moldova, the southern one is still in use
As a Hungarian I don't understand anything even from the manysi audio. If it is written, and I know what the text is about I can figure out some words, but it is the same with French, Dutch, Russian or even Latin. For me the Our languages may be related, but in my opinion Hungarian today is more of an isolated language.
How does the following sentence sound in your Finno-Ugric language? The sentence is pretty "forced" and does not really sound natural but it is based on proto-Ugric / Finno-Ugric basic words and shows quite well the similarities between our distant languages: ENGLISH Three women with a net catch 20 fish from the water. (Literally: *3 women from the water with a net 20 fish catch) HUNGARIAN Három nő a vízből hálóval húsz halat fog MANYSI Hurem né vitnel huligel hūs hul pugi
In Finnish: "Kolme naista pyydystävät verkolla vedestä kaksikymmentä kalaa." To translate that directly to english: "Three women catch with a net from the water twenty fish" Had to actually spend some time to think how to write that the best, but like you said, it's not very natural sentence :D. Also at least in this case you could use multiple word orders. In Finnish in general the word order isn't very strict, especially in official grammar rules. Some general rules of course exist for spoken language if you want to sound natural, but there is often room to play with. That sentence could also be said, while still sounding perfectly natural, in following ways also: "Kolme naista pyydystävät kaksikymmentä kalaa vedestä verkolla" (Three women catch twenty fish from the water with a net) "Kolme naista pyydystävät kaksikymmentä kalaa verkolla vedestä" (Three women catch twenty fish with a net from the water) "Kolme naista pyydystävät vedestä kaksikymmentä kalaa verkolla" (Three women catch from the water twenty fish with a net) That last one is how I'd say if I want to emphasize the fact that they used a net. Also in Finnish a word "kalastaa" instead of "pyydystää" is used much more often in case of fishing. Kalastaa=to fish. But wanted to use the words in your example.
Karelian just sounds too much like finnish to me. Just sounds like a different dialekt with some weird local words thrown in. Not hating, just surprised me, is all. (I speak Finnish btw).
@@danielholowaty2648 "Ne Tippü min tappä" meaning "not off the top of my head" Hej, Min jekka njal - Hello, my name is njal Vona vek yü - nice to meet you Is there anything specific that you would like to to know in Inish? 🙂
@@danielholowaty2648 approx 200 or so people. In a collection of islands refered to as the Inish islands. It actually isn't too far away from British isles. Our ancestors migrated from places like finland, sweden, and to a certain extent, the baltic states (I think predominately estonia). Hence the finnic-uralic influence on our language
@@professorminstrels6460 I went to holiday to the inish islands last year, stayed in kostonaa the capital. Beautiful country (But very small). Very hospitable people too.
