@@theancientsancients1769 They're only in it to advance their own avionics industry then they'll leave for the next gen once they've caught up. Japan is anything but stupid. And most of the time their tech is more reliable and cheaper to maintain than western bloated products.
The big advantage of this current design is _space_ This is a heavy delta winged fighter designed to carry enormous weapons loads across Pacific distances. No more "1,000km with a light AA armament" This is a LONG range fighter bomber and western militaries are crying out for this capability
U do know china is the second largest spending budget right America was to stupid to know how anything works over. They are not far from us on their spending budget. They are bigger they are smarter way smarter. Their kids learning string theory our are learning how to twerk.
I hope Italy does the engines!! V12 car engines are beautiful. Plane can be Ferrari red ot Lamborghini green😁 Being serious though, the three countries involved are all good in their fields. I jope the plane will be a big success as i fear they may well be used in anger sooner than we think. Mind you, i wouldn't put it past Labour to put it on hold or cancel it, they seem hellbent on destroying the UK.
Sweden withdrew because we´re building a moon to earth capable super jet with ultradimensional capabilities and you can put it all together yourself with a guide from IKEA,
@@intothewild5045the Black Widow is what you’re thinking of, and the reason it might look like that is because Japan actually bought the data and blueprints for the YF23 from Northrop a few years ago
UK has done the right thing by having Japan as its partner and moving away from germany and france, Sweden would have been a great partner to have and them leaving the project is regrettable.
Agreed France is to unreliable a partner, probably remembered what they were like during the eurofighter development Plus Italy has at least some experience in gen development now thanks to the f-35 project
@@lebigeon no actually you french are not unreliable ... your just bolshy and arrogant with a nationalistic mindset that makes it almost impossible to work in collaboration with ... although you did succeed in collaborating with the germans if my memory serves me correctly ! 😎
@@lebigeon France is unreliable as twice they pulled out of the Tornado project and the Eurofighter project taking all what they learnt and just made their own planes . Biggest one is how the Raffle looks so much like the Typhoon as France used a majority of the Typhoon design on the Raffle. The French when they get what they needed will just opt out to make their own planes at the expense of the other partners as they couldn't give a toss to partners other than themselves.
An Anglo-Italo-Japanese aircraft design/manufacturing co-operation is sure to be an absolute giant one day, possibly soon, in the military aviation world. BAE has consistently made excellent aircraft, Japan's industries are world-renowned for their reliability (especially Mitsubishi) and the Leonardo company, while not as well-known or world-renowned as BAE or Mitsubishi, are still incredibly competent. It seems a new aviation giant might be brewing - especially if the co-operation between these nations and companies leads to the creation of a joint business, as has happened before in some of these collaborations.
leonardo italy and lenardo uk? mbda italy or mbda uk. elt group italy or .... elt group with leonardo is jont for a new concet of ppa navy radar sel defence mbda italy built for exaple meteor missile with duble range of uk version ask to ukaine for them look at a new carceristic of lenardo aw 249 take a look ask for typohone and tornado before to uk refernce
"while not as well-known or world-renowned as BAE or Mitsubishi, are still incredibly competent" Actually Leonardo is in the top 10 hughest bellic industry, occupying the 7th place, where the 6 above are all US industries. BAE is in the 8th place. So i will say that Leonardo is really well world renowed. To say the US Predators and Reapers suit the Leonardo Electronic Warfare systems, as the UK Merlin. The Gripen S also, the last developed one, suit the Leonardo ES-05 AESA and the Leonardo IRST Skyguard.
@@solinvictus1234 Leonardo UK based up in Edinburgh build the Radars for the Eurofighter and Gripen ( but with Swedish back end ) they are building the latest version for Typhoon ( UK and Italy ) while Hensoldt/ Indra are building a new version for Spain and Germany ( but with assistance from Leonardo ) . That shows the technology is available....just government money is needed
@@RaySqw785 ''copy'' bro... you can't reinvent stealth, there isn't much more to do in design if you want maneuverability and stealth, cmon, less self stroking your ego and more logical thinking
This is not a 6th gen and American fighter industry will be the 1st true 6th gen aircraft....well just look yourself. These programs already in the works and successor to sr71 chuggin along nicely as well. :) good luck
The Japanese bring fresh ideas remember the first AESA system developed for the Mitsubishi F2 was soon copied by the Americans then later the Europeans . The funding issue will be tough but at least all 3 partners are united while the Germans and French squabble like 2 bald men fighting over a comb.
@@uingaeoc3905 That's always been the issue when dealing with the French. They aggressively demand more than they put in and throw a hissy fit if anyone argues. They blocked all sales of the Sepecat Jaguar until the plane was obsolete to flog their own domestic copy to smaller nations. They caused nothing but problems and delays during the Panavia Tornado project leading to huge cost over runs and long term issues with the final aircraft. When the pulled the same crap with the eurofighter program the other partners told them to get fcuked so they stormed off and built a cheaper knock off using stolen tech designs. The French think cooperation is a dirty word and partner is synonyms with servant. The joint carrier program was Britain designing the ships and letting the French finger paint theirs to keep them happy and quiet. Otherwise the ships still wouldn't be built.
@@ianjardine7324 Correct! Other examples - I am sure you recollect - Concorde , only experience with large airliners was the Caravelle a mini-Comet derivative;. The AFVG they demanded the lead although at the time their sole experience was with Mirage, knock off of Fairey Delta 2, then withdrew because 'why nort buy Mirage!' so withdrew so we had to soldier on with old stuff. The so called Anglo-French Helicopter deal - we bought their Puma, Gazelle and they cancelled their main order for Lynx., this was at same time as Jaguar were as you say they cancelled most of their order and the Carrier version - luckily the agreement meant that BAC got all the plans and we did not have to source from them and it did hav ecome ecport duccess from our side afterwards, India in particular among others. You mention Tornado - they withdrew from the consortium because, well they said the rest of us should buy their Mirages, causing development delays - deliberate of course; repeated this game over Typhoon. They have not got involved in the QE Carriers have they?
The TEMPEST project is only a research and development plan for a technology demonstrator. The British and Italians launched a fighter development program for actual deployment based on the information obtained from the Tempest Project. Japan had its own F-X program (next-generation mainstay fighter development program), which was jointly developed with an American company. The GCAP program merged these two programs and restarted them as a trilateral joint development program.
I mean, this is still Tempest. It will be called Tempest in RAF service, not GCAP. Jaguar, Tornado and Typhoon were the same They've developed the early drafts of Tempest into this. Japan and Italy joined the Tempest project, the management part of it is called GCAP. SEPECAT Jaguar Panavia Tornado Eurofighter Typhoon It's actually most like the Jaguar in nature. A single consortium, SEPECAT, developed variants of an airframe that met host nations requirements Then built in separate factory lines. Tempest will be bae, rolls Royce and Leonardo in the UK Mitsubishi and others in Japan
Seems like a decent set of partners for this programme. Importantly, France and Germany isn't involved. Nothing against them, but both have proven to be poor project partners, with Germany holding back export and France throwing a tantrum if they don't get a most of the production rights and a tailor made aircraft to their specifications.
@@dust195political stuff prevented them from doing what they were designed for. They were told they had to fight at visual range to confirm what they were. Which was not what the Phantom was designed for
I think it's going to be the best new 6th gen fighter in the world. Will be way ahead of the American Ngad project by far. With Japan and their technical knowledge and Italy this plane will be ridiculously good 🇬🇧🏴👌
@@aflyingcowboy31You know they cancelled their existing NGAD program last year for being too expensive? They are now seeking other partners to reboot the program.
@markmaher4548 not canceled just scaled back due to cost overruns on other projects. We have had flying prototypes for a few years now. Plus the navy is still working on theirs.
@@markmaher4548 You do know everything you just stated you just fabricated right? NGAD has never been cancelled, they did put the actual NGAD design on hold a few weeks back as they want to check it over, however they have stated every other part of NGAD is still going on.
@@farmerned6 Hope you're aware that in many exercises stealth planes have been using external fuel tank to break the very, very low RCIS they can achieve (mainly the F-22, as you surely know) in order to give a change to many others who couldn't "shine" without this "trick". Google it or talk to air force experts, if you know any, to confirm if what I wrote is BS. Spoiler: it's not BS
Sweden dropping out and reconsidering in 2031. Yeah nice way of saying we don't want to have to contribute to R&D but want to reap the spoils if the project is successful.
Nope it’s because we now concentrate on brand new Gripen E, which is a lot more advanced aircraft than Gripen C. For sure we have the skills to do our own 6 gen that have the functions we need (STOL, be able to get service, tanked and reloaded by recruiters and so. But… if it will be too expensive, we maybe join up and share our knowledge in making airplanes and systems.
To be fair this is a British led project because it's based on their concept and it's the only country with 5 Gen jet experience being a tier one member of the F35. Which is why the project lead company is BAE and the project HQ is in the UK
I think this new 6th generation aircraft is going to secure air superiority for Britain, Italy and Japan. Until the United States of America announce their 6th generation fighter jet anyways.
The only time the wing cracking problem has occurred on the Mitsubishi F-2 operated by Japan was during ground endurance testing of the test aircraft. The F-2 is undergoing continuous modernization and refurbishment, but due to the limited information available, lies like the old defect problem are still being told with impunity as if they still exist. If there had been a major problem like a cracked wing, anyone would know that the aircraft would have been taken out of service by now. Also, something that has not been mentioned much is the participation of American companies in the GCAP project. The GCAP project is also involving U.S. companies, whose components deal with state-of-the-art technology and sensitive information, such as sanitary communications and datalink equipment. Therefore, the GCAP project has already received prior consent from the US government. With its huge development costs and parade of cutting-edge technologies that handle sensitive information, the GCAP project is one of the most realistic development plans in recent years.
@@Maddog-xc2zv The fact that the UK had a reasonable contribution to the F-35 development program is universally acknowledged. But the problem is that the US is 30 years ahead of the rest of the world when it comes to the aerospace industry. As frustrating as it may be, the technological gap between the U.K. and the rest of the world is a matter of margins in the eyes of the U.S. In fact, it is impossible to compare the two countries because of their different areas of expertise.
@@fromfareastindy8234 yeah, and Leonardo and Mitsubishi have passed the last decades looking to the sky, doing nothing. At least be honest that without this triade there would be no 6th gen by the UK, Italy, and Japan, and, who still knows, some dusts from a technologic power like Sweden by 2031. Jeez
@@thunderclapandflash8160 yeah maybe they could do something like the British one is Tempest-B the Italian one is the Tempest-I and the Japanese one is the Tempest-J
It looks like an F22 because the current aircraft design paradigm is one of stealth, literally every country is heading in that direction. However, the F22's mission is air superiority. The Tempest is a fighter-bomber tailored to cover vast ranges, particularly in the pacific ocean. Completely different missions.
How many ways can you design a current gen fighter? All fighters of their generation look the same in the same way all cars or trains or ships do. It's like saying A P-51D looks very familiar to all the other WW2 fighters.
MBDA is owned at 37.5% by Airbus and its headquarter is in France. A lot of its workforce is French. So this project is unofficially a British/french/italian/japanese endeavour :)
Yes if this fighter ever goes into service with the RAF it will biggest surprise in this Labour administration tenure. Reeves has already asked the MOD to save costs. At a time when most Europeans are increasing defence spending in response to Vlad's sabre rattling.
Well, if they Torys hadn't left behind a salted earth economy? Hadn't hollowed HM Forces to the extent we now have the smallest armed forces since before the Napoleonic wars? We might be in a better position.
@@markmaher4548 Both parties that are the problem. It started with' Options for Change' and 'Front Line first' under the Tories with the fall of the Soviet Union. Labour then accelerated it a load with their 'Strategic Defence Review 1998', 'SDR New Chapter 2002', and 'Delivering Security in a Changing World'. Since then, there's been a steady chipping away at the Military to feed the bloated benefits budget. What's really needed is a PM with the balls to cut benefits, and restrict NHS spending to British Citizens only, to free up money for defence, in my opinion anyways.
To be fair this is a British led project because it's based on their concept and it's the only country with 5 Gen jet experience being a tier one member of the F35. Which is why the project lead company is BAE and the project HQ is in the UK. The others will contribute to their customised jets
The American project is heavily rumoured to be about to be cancelled... It's too ambitious and the necessary weapons tech won't be mature enough when it enters service. The US military industrial complex is too bloated to make anything cost efficient to deliver now.
agreed, F22 is still unbeatable but the birth of F35 is proof that not every aircraft has to have the ability to beat USA in terms of fighting capabilities
@@thunderclapandflash8160 Most people would be VERY surprised by the real world capabilities of the F-35. There's now two types of fighter. Relics (😈😉) from before the F-35 and the paradigm shift after and including the F-35. You can think of it almost literally like the difference between a 1990s radio controlled helicopter and a 2010s DJI drone quad helicopter. One takes 10,000 hours to master. The other requires zero hours to master. But it's not flashy numbers, cobras and shiny pointy weapons so nobody pays it any attention. But it IS what the _pilots_ gush about.
@@Rosseboi looks cost and priority related. The US seems to be updating their 70 year old ICBMs first. They are based on 50s tech with an iterative update in 1970. They are far behind a few other countries in ground based nuclear deterrence.
Its got more than enough new technology to be deemed a new generation. The fact that directed energy weapons and defence are closer than this video suggests is an example of that. Its got an entirely AR cockpit too, which is going to reduce the mental load on pilots a hell of a lot.
They wouldn't settle for on par unless it's cheaper to produce. There's no reason to, all 3 nations are leading in electronics and aviation industries. It's been too long with the old designs and the current situation in the world requires renewed efforts to push past this deadlock that American, Russian and Chinese fighters seem to have reached.
@@OnlyGraftingAmericans haven’t been in a “dead lock” lol the f-22 is still the best fighter to date and America is already doing test flights on their new 6 gen fighter the NGAD.
i had a bit of a thought in the back of my head about joining the navy... but nevermind getting killed by a laser like you're in star wars is diabolical
That's not accurate. The UK can easily afford to send 15 Challenger 2 tanks to Ukraine. Our defense budget is over £50 billion, and the cost of those tanks is a tiny fraction of that. Supporting Ukraine is a strategic investment in our security, not a financial burden.
That budget is split up between research and all the different branches of the armed forces the actual amount for purchasing new equipment is considerably less than 50 billion
@@HoverV2 even with this point, which is true, we can still afford to send that many challenger 2’s to Ukraine. it’s a relatively small expenditure in overall budget. it can be funded through specific allocations or additional government support as well.
@@alexandertsigaridas5411 I can't believe it! How can the UK government only offer a 2nd rate hotel experience to the foreign fighting aged men that are breaking into the country! 😤
The minute the French feel like their egos might be bruised for being classed as an equal partner, rather than the main men, they’ll throw a huff and pull out. Saltiness is inherent in their culture.
@@darkmatter6714I don’t think they can though, last time they did that it was ok because Germany was also partnered with Britain and Italy for eurofighter, so there were still invested partners. If france pulls out of the euro project this time it would leave Germany stuck with Spain, who aren’t really a financial power when compared to Italy Britain and france for the military. So if france pulls out, Germany loses any chance of developing their own jet and will have to buy a foreign one, which would actually be kinda a first for them I think, as all their jets to far have been domestically produced or in partner with other countries
@@pandemoniumcrow well, now that the Brits are out of the European Union, it leaves the French as a military to dog, so the Germans will pamper pamper to them - which is what they like.
One of the lessons to come out of 5th generation fighters is the "state of readiness" is abysmal. A sword is not very useful if it spends most of its time at the blacksmith. A 6th generation fighter will probably be a bigger maintenance money pit. May want to pivot a little and pursue a 4.5 generation replacement like the Gripen E to cover while the 6th generation platform is in the shop.
The typhoon is already the best 4th gen so there's little point in developing another 4th gen, Italy also uses the Typhoon but it's not as good as the British version
@@mrcaboosevg6089basically the core of British military ideology now. Challenger is just upgrade modules being pumped out. The ships keep getting repairs and refits for new technology and soon laser weaponry. Everything is modular where possible. The only downside is that during peace these things are a constant drain of money. Upkeeping costs are a lot higher when you don't actively need them in the sky
@@OnlyGrafting That's great for ships and other big expensive things, keeps them modern but tanks it's just stupid. We have the companies to make a whole new tank, the armour, technology and the gun is already set so a new chassis would make everything better. Can't solely rely on a strong Navy because one day it might not be enough
Heaven forbid other countries other than America can have pride in their devolopments. Maybe because the F-22's physical design is the most optimised shape for an aircraft using stealth and thrust vectoring capabilities so convergent design would most likely to happen. At least this thing is made in-house instead of the cheap knock offs the Russians and Chinese have crapped out. It seems anything anyone does outside of America, the yanks have to just shit all over it. We are aware you have a ridiculous R&D budget, believe me, we know but we are allowed some pride too.
It's a good idea because none of the countries can cancel it without paying compensation to the other countries just like Concorde would have cost the UK.
Looks like it combines many features of the F22 and F35, nose from the Raptor, engine inlets resemble F35, V tails from the defunct YF23, and in an odd design choice, the reverse cranked wing of the F15. Looks like it was designed by a fanboy, but as a fanboy, i applaud the incorporation of these elements❤
There are great avionics, airframe, jet engine designers and engineers working on it. The GCAP has a great idea wth this fighter. Once it's mass produced for the 3 countries, then the overall cost will be reduced and more countries will want them again reducing cost. Also, good revenue for all three countries.
Italy, Britain and Japan calibration for making arms and especially 6th generation fighter jet is very very good affects to beat America supremacy in all kinds of arms.
@@TheSarinaideno they aren’t…. What even makes you say that? USA has never been ahead of Uk or Japan in technology. Ww2 they were always behind. And even now. It’s funny seeing Ameircan cope.
Errr by the sounds of it's a multirole fighter so more analogous to a more advanced F-22/F-35 mashup, just probably way more expensive so it will end up getting cancelled, much like all other 6th gen fighters except the US and probably China. Honestly I think all of the other 6th gen programs should come together that are not politically impossible, so Italy, Japan, United Kingdom, France, Germany, Spain, India and Brazil. all taking production of parts at first, but then sharing all data on how to build the whole craft so places like India and Spain that are mostly interested about building up their own production base can still do that, but also spread the development cost out. With that many cooks in the kitchen you would delay the time it takes and would have members inevitably drop out, but the project has an actual chance of coming to fruition.
It's marketing hype. We have yet to see real 5th gen planes. So far no so called 5th gen plane even has a decisive edge over 4.5 gen planes. Beware the marketing hype.
So are we ignoring that the f-22 and f-35 are completely invisible to all 4th gen aircraft, im pretty sure that's a decisive advantage, being able to sneak up on any other aircraft.
I was suprised to see the Tempest full size mockup at the Royal International Air Tattoo this year.. Was pretty cool, Look forward to seeing the final result.. about time the UK got something to trump the F-22 👍🏻
Sweden would have been HUGE to have on board as they usually create the most practical stuff. Their Gripen fighters with their focus on dispersal operations are one example of that: easy to maintain out in the field with mobile support crew and tools, easy to relocate with how they don't require a specialized hangars or runways, and cheap to operate due to the plane being designed for all these things. I still hope that Sweden will reconsider and join the program, although depending on how high-tech and costly the plane ends up being, it may not fit into their military doctrine of going for the most practical defensive tools... We'll see though, even if they don't rejoin in 2031 or whenever, the whole of Europe will still benefit from having domestically produced stealth planes capable of a variety of missions and payloads! :)
@solinvictus1234 Gripen-E has comparable or higher price than modern USA jets, including F-35. Try again, only maybe this time do some research beforehand.
@@bitw00f Cause the Gripen E do not fit anything made in Sweden. It have the Leonardo ES-05 AESA radar and the Leonardo IRST Skyguard EW. I did my research, so i can say that a plane with gold standard stuff in it (as Leonardo's one) cost a lot. But if a Gripen first block cost cheap, it's cause it have cheap stuff in it.
@solinvictus1234 And yet we are still talking about different things. I never said Swedish stuff was cheap or entirely domestic, I said that they know how to design PRACTICAL solutions, and then you came in with the questions of cost. Gripens always had a certain degree of foreign components in them, heck, even the engine is imported. But this doesn't change the fact that they are easier to service, cheaper to operate, and offer features that simply aren't present in any other platform. This is what I was talking about: Swedes know how to build reliable platforms that are perfect for their intended objectives. Practical machines, even if expensive, instead of shiny toys that can't stand the grim reality of a real war.
@@bitw00f "I said that they know how to design PRACTICAL solutions" Everyone knows how to do that. What is designed is what is required by who want you do design things. Swedish did the Gripen in that way cause their Airforce asked to have that particular peculiarity. I don't get your point really.
There is not enough money going around Europe to afford two 6th gen fighters. Idk what the dispute with the FCAS program is, but I would really love to see these two programs converge. With Airbus, Dassault and Mistubishi on board, what could pussibly go wrong?
Is GCAP Better than NGAD? Well, granting that NGAD got at least temporarily shelved.. by sheer virttue of actually being an extant programme? Yes. 6th gen fighters are going to be absolutely wild.
@@powerhouse6165it’s the same purpose, probably will have some kind of optical dazzler or laser for disrupting of destroying missiles that do manage to get too close
3 countries don't have a 5th generation aircraft... Hmm... Let's start making the 6th generation! 😁 If it's that easy, we need to create the 26th generation right away😎😂
Innovation is evolving so fast that by the time they start manufacturing these they will be outdated. Hopefully they evolve in a way that improvements can be made easily and where this could end up being a gen 6.5 or even gen7 aircraft. One thing just touched on was the laser weapon, the UK is at the forefront of laser technology, and while America develops big bulky laser systems with crazy cost, the UK is more about compact systems that are maybe slightly less capable but more than capable of getting the job done where America can't, and at much better cost.
