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I think in the future you may wanna use balistics gel instead of just a plastic mannequin for this kind of test. The gel gives in and is a little bit more realistic than the hard mannequin (of course, just using a whole pig carcass would be even better, but that might be a bit much).
Now, consider that during an actual combat it wouldn't be that easy to deliver such precise thrusts. Armor doesn't need to be perfect - just good enough, and I think that this one does it's job. I'd take shallow cuts and punctures over fatal injury any time.
Considering that it's light enough to give you significantly more flexibility than full or even half plate armour, it would not only be good enough preventing significant harm if hit, but also in maneuvering away from it, allowing to more easily parry. Because of this, surely it would require significantly more skill to wear into war? Especially when surrounded by metal-clad foot soldiers, like Alexander was. Perhaps it being near-white and thus unmarked from blood and dirt, as well as appearing to be weaker and softer than metal, he was boasting of his still to _avoid_ harm, rather than protect from it. Very cool stuff!
@@Asiliea Outside of DnD there's no such thing as half plate, and even a full suit of armour does very little to hinder mobility. It's heavy and will make you tired a lot quicker, and most helmets will limit hearing, vision and sometimes breathing, but usually the only range of movement even slightly impeded is lifting arms above head. Alexander wearing one is likely because it's much lighter, less warm, more comfortable, and because he wasn't on the front line. A carefully made, custom-fitted suit of linothorax would have provided enough protection and be a status symbol just from how wellmade it was.
@@Asiliea Armor that significantly limits someone's mobility is a very poorly made armor. Strength was of course important in melee combat but not as much as reaction time and mobility required to use those reflexes. Armor is the last defense - even if it protects you from fatal injuries it usually doesn't protect against pain and bruises. Just look at .22 bullet test (I may have typed it incorrectly - I'm not well-educated in firearms): it got stopper sure, but imagine the pain of being hit by this protrusion. An axe test was also good example of how armor wasn't the perfect defense - it could easily break bones beneath armor with a good hit. Shield was way earlier invention and as long as you could see an attack coming (melee or even some projectiles) you'd be better prepared to defend than with just armor (moving just hands to redirect a blow is usually easier than moving whole body).
@@NaoyaYami You likely wouldn't have felt it much, especially at that range. A .22lr isn't very powerful at all. Even the .223 that the AR uses (as underpowered as it is) is one hell of a lot more powerful than a 22. Personally if I were in that armor I'd probably rather take a hit from a .22 than from that axe. The .22 might leave a bruise, that axe would break bones.
Actually it is historically accurate Ancient roman tablets show that after war the armour that belonged to the soldiers of Alexander the greats army was repaired with duct tape since it was a lot cheaper than linen and had almost the same strength
I think Lauren is a great addition to the team! She seems to fit in quite well and is good and presenting while bringing her own humour to it. It's rather entertaining. Keep up the good work guys!
It's for the blows that make it past your defenses. ones which hopefully were weakened through your actions to deflect or parry the attack. (parry might be the wrong word)
From what he had been hinting, yes. He says he is only not advancing too fast into Iron Age because he needed to first explore some inventions before that, like armor and maths, which are somewhat unrelated but were born in the Bronze Age, not in Iron Age. That said, he DID point out that wars accelerated the development of iron tools, so these few weapon/armor videos are right on a segue into that technology.
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The relatively substantial cuts the kopesh made are evidence of why some cutting swords later in history use extremely specialised blade designs for purposes like these. For example the type 1A falchions, the Pala, and the tegha all use broad blades with very fine edges for defeating layered textile clothing and armor efficiently. Some (like the Pala) go even further and use T shaped spines and incredibly thin edges to even further extend the ability to cut through layered cloths. When combined with a draw cut, it's a good way to defeat otherwise very effective protection.
Take into consideration that while they are offering a 65% discount, it's on a $205 sticker price. Classic inflation of base price to seem like a good deal. While I thank them for supporting the channel, certainly not going to purchase their product.
American pasteurized-process surround cheese? Pasteurized process sound effects food? I dunno... everything is technically fake, or at least a facsimile or something from before it. 4000 generations of copy-catting and one-upping each other. No wonder we go to war. 😂
peronally ive never been up for a new co host to any channel ive seen but from lauren's unique and bombastic personality i have really enjoyed the last few episodes she has been apart of and contriduted to. KEEP US THE GREAT WORK GUYS
It is like that experiment in a company meeting room. They introduce a little rock. Give him a name and talk about it, then proceed with the meeting. At the end, they pull out a hammer to smash the rock. Another group, had the same experience except they introduce the rock by name, place another same sized one next to him and two smaller ones, without saying anything. As soon as the hammer was brought out in the end everyone rioted, because the rock had a family and kids :)
I’m not sure, but according to lindybeige the Greeks had bronze scales instead of leather. That would also help against blunt force, and would be good at vulnerable places. Maybe you can revisit this project one day. Maybe when you reach better technology.
Did you put the linen cloth layers in at different angles so the weave was up & down, then side to side, then diagonal, then up & down again and so on. That would really help the strength and also something they probably did at the time.
9:10 it's a pretty dumb idea to fire a bow towards an outside facing window like that. One miss and you don't know who or what that arrow or shards of glass is gonna hit
Yeah, that spearhead in particular should have a real, sharp **point** to it. Also, maybe it should be properly centered on the shaft. Maybe manufacture a spearhed that goes **over** it instead of being wedged in a slit. People in the Bronze Age did know how to make rivets after all.
I'd be interested to see if you could make it again using wheatpaste lagging and "forge" the layers by curing the breast and backplate in a linen press which was definitely available in Roman times with examples that are found in the murals of Pompeii. They possibly would not have needed to add fire-resistance to the material since Romans could weave textiles, such as table cloths and towels, with Asbestos and cleaned them with fire. The fibres of which, being made from stone, are nearly entirely fireproof, extremely durable, and also often white in colour. Alum has been in use as a fire-retardant since well before 5 BCE, and wheatpaste... probably nearly as long as we've been making bread. The egyptians with papyrus at least since 3000 B.C. Alum and Stannic (tin) oxide are locally available, fire-resistant, and commonly used textile glues/ dye components that are White in colour like the armour's depictions and may have been used as well.
You should have tested the stopping power against black powder weapons. The Korean cloth armor was reportedly able to stop .44 colt and .577 Enfield/Springfield rifle rounds
Please revisit. Pig fat was not used as a glue. Bitumen, bark pitch, and cow fat, mixed with other ingredients such as sand or pumice for different uses. This Roman glue has survived over 2000 years on armor pieces discovered by archeologists, it is unlikely they would have had such a wonder and not used it on linothorax.
There is a beautiful traditional Japanese costume called Junihitoe, but since you wear a lot of kimono, don't you think it has the same defense power as cloth armor?
The linen is pretty good at resisting cuts/stabs etc, but the addition of a lightweight rigid layer underneath would greatly help with dispersing the force of blows. It doesn't have to be strong as such, just stiff enough to hold the linen in shape. Even thick cardbaord would do.
I learned somewhere (wish I could recall where for the source) that unbleached linin is better for armor than the 'higher quality' stuff we can buy today.
police in asia often use silk instead of kevlar in their vests. usually about 16 layers, stitched tightly together. one companu uses silkworm cocoons and epoxy, pressed into a mold.
The moment the linen suffered the first gunshot it was no longer a consistent test for the rest of the gunshots. The first shot clearly delaminated (pulled apart) some of the layers, reducing the stopping power for any follow up shots after. For a proper ballistics test you would probably have multiple linen targets, fresh for each bullet.
I like to think of myself as a mature and intelligent man, driven by curiosity and science; but damned if a smart, pretty woman doesn't distract me from the topic at hand.
Need to get to iron, you don’t actually need to be able to melt it, just burn it with charcoal and pick the shiniest bits out to turn into your tools, heating it and shaping it will be viable.
