ive already seen at least 2-3 people crying about how the devs are trying to turn RO into a mobile idle tycoon game because of a QoL such as cranes lol. which implies they like clicking 32 times to load a boxcar. personally i love it because now if i dont like how something is set up at the industry, i can load while working and check in every so often. hopefully stuff like oil barrels and ore chutes stop dispensing when they detect a full car, but whatevs lol
@@Spook_Boi It's probably the same rivet counters that bitch about Small details like the Small parts of the valve gear not operating when there are the ones not having to Animate these
5:20: The turntable you're thinking of is the Corkscrew Gulch table on the Silverton Railroad. The line had two, single switchbacks that didn't have a counterpart...IE you just ran into the dead end and would've had to reverse. Together, they would've ended up with the train going the right way in the end, but rather sensibly, the line didn't want to back a train a considerable distance over that route. so the first switchback (in a town called Red Hill) had a Wye, so you would turn the engine there. Then, once you got to the second at the Gulch, you'd unhook, turn on the table, and then run down the opposite leg of the switchback to clear the switch. then the cars' brakes were released and they rolled forward into the tail track. This only worked because both legs of the switchback were on a downgrade toward the table. and obviously, going the other way the process was reversed. It's worth mentioning that the Silverton (and the other two Silverton shortlines) were built by one Otto Mears...
7:58 Trolley lines used to run theme parks at the very end of their line to generate revenue from folks paying for the whole ride. Kennywood was one such park and outlived its trolley company
Worn valve gear explains the off time, sound of one of the 3 foot gauge engines at Six Flags Over Texas. Always sounded like CHUCHUFF CHUFF... CHUFF... CHUCHUFF CHUFF... CHUFF... CHUCHUFF CHUFF... CHUFF lol
Regarding the ability to push a rail car by hand, the museum I volunteer at aquired a Clinchfield wooden Caboose #1023 which had sat for 50 some years. Friction bearings and all. One person got it rolling but it took about 8 to stop it.
As a steam tractor operator, that whole spiel about the Johnson bar is completely alien to me, because if I want to do 6-7 mph (Yes, that's as fast as it goes on level ground) I need to have the bar all the way open, at which point we're doing some 350-400 rpm.
I can usually read and predict when the crash is going to happen when I start hearing Smells Like Kenosha, like oh they're gonna pull the switch while a train's on it, oh this dutch drop looks a little sketchy, oh they're gonna DUNK too hard. But the tree. I did not see that tree coming.
As far as rolling unloads are concerned, Hyce is right to point out that ore trains likely do that kind of thing. I know that at the power plant I worked at there is a rolling unload setup on a loop track, so when CSX rolls a unit train of coal into the plant they roll over this bridge that is open in the middle and they just drop the coal through the bridge. Typically they can go about 5mph doing this, but I have seen on some occasions where a mechanical opener for the hopper car doesn't open and they have to roll back to the opener
depends on the ore though: Taconite and Iron Ore tended not to be, because a lot of it was hauled to the Great Lakes, and they dumped into the ore freighters.
5:33 I do recall a bridge that was considered that used as old turn table in Colorado somewhere according to my 5 pack DVD set called Railway Journeys the Vanishing Age of Steam
I was told by fellow museum volunteers an excellent way to secure a railcar on display semi-permanently is to weld a metal nut to the rail on each side of the outside wheels. It is surprising how difficult it is to raise a car’s wheels just the inch or so to get over that.
The thing is, the Shay would have been more useful BEFORE the 'spline update' where it's one advantage - being able to run outputting full power on tremendously sh*t trackage - could have been put to good use.
I am resisting saying it, saying where is it, why can I not resist. Resist the force, Hyce knows it is coming..........Thanks for the conversation about how the johnson bar works
Talking about wheel slip on a gear loco, I was at the Georgetown loop for 4th of July a while ago while Shay #9 was there and they slipped going up. The next year or so I go to the Colorado railroad museum and saw #9 sitting there, sad to hear the owner didn’t like how Georgetown was treating it
RE: Amtrak. The auto-train still a thing. You ride in regular passenger cars and your car is on auto-racks. It's silly because there are far more auto-racks. Shows the inefficiency of cars. I'm pretty sure the freight companies took issue with Amtrak pulling freight and they no longer do it. Every now and then I've see the old Amtrak painted box cars on regular freight trains
Hopefully your next video will have the patch update, u get smoke effects, engine sounds and auto crane loader, just click on the crane once n it'll load until full. It was such a good patch, and they have something big planned in about 3-4 weeks, so if anyone knows morse code, the telegraph station is active again, would love to know what it means.
Cass Scenic Railroad has two switchbacks for their up to 13% grades. Locomotives push to the first one, pull to second one (that section was always the best ride in the open top passenger car they used to have, they would put it right against the locomotive, the hot cinders raining down was the only way to get that real experience) and switch to push to the top of the mountain.
I'd imagine that in an old school round house setting the shop could supply either compressed air or steam from another boiler via a hose so that the engine could recouple under "its own" power
Can't wait for them to get the update! There will be a lot of Hyce foaming from the chuffing and smoke, I think.. even if it's still a little inaccurate in some way he'll definitely pinpoint.
I’m glad Roaring Camp & Big Trees (and their gnarly grade) got some love. at 6:18. Their Heisler that you mentioned is an ex-Westside Lumber engine built 1899. (And surprisingly survived WLC shenanigans lol.)
Their sister railroad-Santa Cruz Big Trees & Pacific (aka The Beach Train)-uses old Spreckels Sugar Co. gondolas as open passenger cars. (And occasionally hauls freight and lumber.) Chiggen has been a guest there a few times, which is fitting given her past.
I know it's a odd one and worked on a european railway but it was narrowgage of some sort so I would love if you who make the game could end up adding the BLJ 5 Thor it's got amounts of pictures few other trains even can have since it's Uppsalas biggest tourist thing. So thought maybe it could make it easier to model well.
Gonna be interesting to see how the coal train goes getting into the iron works. 8:53 talking about regulating the speed, when I’m unloading, I set reg/rev to about 15% and the train maintains a steady speed
I saw a dev vid from nix a bit ago and he was saying that they have made the valve gear function properly. And it did. It was going to make the engine have more torque when its in the corner, and when it’s closer to center that it would go faster but it wasn’t coded for center though. Also when you sad the engines out of time I was expecting kan to say it’s an engine with an attitude
Hey Hyce, do you have any suggestions for interesting books on railroads? I’ve heard you mention big men little engines (can’t remember the exact title) and it sparked my interest about the topic. I personally have two on Canadian railroads I got at a museum recently if you’re interested in those. I’m fairly new to railroads so I’d appreciate anything informational or just more picture focused. Thanks.
Why not a heated turn table, for snow buildup? xD They set the lines on fire as it is. I took the caboose both ways on the SIlverton line in Colorado this past summer. Those narrow gauge mountain tracks are a trip
To test kAN on whether or not he's watched your channel, you should tell him about the great snow of March of 1938 on the RGS. Just kind of play a short version of Citation needed with 1/4 of an idiot and see how kAN reacts to the story. I mean, it encapsulates America to a T. If there's a problem, throw more of something at it.
No, you don't ride in your care on the train. You ride in a standard coach or Roomette. The Auto Train is an awesome ride. 16 hours from Lorton Va just outside DC, to Stanford, FL, about 45 minutes from Orlando. You pack up your car, drive to the station, they load it onto car carriers, board the train, and travel overnight to your destination. I've done it several times from DC to FL and back. Lots of fun if you are a train fan.
1:32 yeah probably because God is secretly into choo choo's so your world the 'Central Rio and Pacific' is his model railroad and if he is anything like me, he likes his choo choo's enough to not be bashed up by the lifeforms he allows to run his precious models. also betsy is best engine! nothing beats the OG 0-4-0 if given a glitch or two she could haul 20 iron freight cars up your 10% ok im stopping before i get called a betsy simp by some damn weirdo lol
15:45 I worked with a 7.5" gauge locomotive that was loosely based on a Kerr-Stuart Wren Class 2-foot gauge 0-4-0 saddletank, but partially "Americanized" and given a pilot truck and tender to turn it into a 2-4-0, but still with the saddletank. The pilot truck had too little weight on it and the tended had no suspension at all, so it was very derailment-prone all the time. But the thing about the Wren Class is that it had Hackworth valve gear, which is, on the one hand, really easy to build and has fewer moving parts than Walschaerts and Stephenson, but unlike those other two, it derives the valve movement from the vertical displacement of its return crank rather than horizontal, so any vertical displacement of the axle messes up valve timing. I think we also figured out that the guy who built it rounded the lengths of the rods a bit more than he should've done, so it was kind of doomed from the get-go. This engine had very minimal suspension, rubber blocks between the axle boxes and the frame, but it still got its valve timing messed up with every little bump. It got so bad that putting it in reverse just didn't work: it would knock itself back and forth until it forced the Johnson bar into full forward and full send it. That engine also had a marine-type boiler which is kind of handy for a boat but completely useless for a small railway locomotive (for those who don't know, a marine boiler basically has the firebox contained entirely within the drum of the boiler, so it has a circular cross-section and is limited by the size of the boiler itself; all the air has to come from the back, through the ash pan, and it's extremely susceptible to ash buildup, at least at smaller scales. Again, great for a boat where you can make the boiler pretty big and you don't want hot ash falling onto your wooden hull, but not so great on a locomotive where you have to be able to see around the boiler and fit under bridges and tunnels and things). There was so little room for the fire that if you didn't tend it for a minute, it would blow out. I thought fitting it with a better exhaust nozzle would help, but the stronger draft actually made it worse... oops. 27:42 The Auto Train still runs and is the only profitable long-haul train. You drop your car off and leave your keys with the staff, they drive it onto the train, and you ride in a standard coach or sleeper the whole way. It runs nonstop from just south of DC to just north of Orlando. 50:00 There was a narrow gauge railway that did load and unload trains on the move, and it was also among the first driverless rail systems! The London Post Office Railway was an underground 2-foot gauge line that connected 9 different major post offices across London for sorting and delivery. It used little open self-propelled cars that had a top speed of 40mph, and used gravity to help them accelerate and decelerate by having the stations at much shallower depths than the rest of the tunnels, with steep grades on each end. Trains would slow to 7mph in the stations and staff would quickly unload and load the sacks of mail. It ran from 1927 to 2003, and now a small segment of it has reopened as a tourist attraction (no longer driverless of course). Hey Siri, set a reminder for Drunk Grizzly Bears
Hey Hyce, since you totally need an excuse to buy a shay, I think it could be neat to buy one for the sole purpose of running from the logging camp to the sawmill, and nowhere else. Obviously, it would be highly inefficient, and a huge waste of time, but it would be neat for the slight bit of historical accuracy.
@6:33 Your right have the narrow gauge part has always been a tourist railroad. I think the commenter got it mistaken from the standard gauge railroad that was abandoned in 1940
re: roller bearing discussion around 38:00 saw a minidoc about Timken 1111, the standard guage 4-8-4 Timken had built to demonstrate their bearings there was several publicity stunts where they had as few as 3 people pull it with a rope
Amtrak's Autotrain terminals are set so passengers arrive at the Depot where staff then take the car around to the loading ramp. seems US drivers have too many things that distract them meaning it's not wise to let them load their own cars into the Autoracks. down at the Smelter, raise the loop track up and bridge over the spot where the load/unloading leads cross so you can extend them. it will give you a level spot somewhere else mid grade to pick up speed or catch a train that didn't make it.
Tender aprons scare me. It's so common to have fully enclosed cabs here that whenever there's a cab with an open back and the apron I'm super paranoid about my feet, and it's hard to keep balance with one foot on the cab deck and one on the apron.
In Norway until the 1980s or 1990s, they loaded sheeps on the Oslo-Bergen line to transport them somewhere else, since there was no road access there. Basically the train stopped in the middle of the line, they put a ramp and loaded the sheeps. I have seen a clip on TV where they used a car ferry to transport reindeers to their summer grounds on an island. Ferry came Reindeer on, then at the island they opened the front door and the reindeers just jumped out.
Well I watched a whole RRO video - never thought I'd see the day this nongamer did that - loved listening to the "podcast" talk. Two conclusions: 1) Many automobile drivers and mountain bikers have figured out that trees don't move. Nuff said. 2) I had to look up the picture of corn in the tracks. Damn I want to hear about the drunk bears now, and as many other stuff-that-didn't-go-to-plan stories as y'all can tell. Thanks for the video!
Auto trains have passenger car in the front and car freight cars in the back and one drives the car to the train station and drops it of with like a valet service and they put the cars on the train and one just rides the train normally and picks the car back up wherever one gets off and the cars are loaded in resepective order
If you leave the reverser at like 3% could you just throw the brakes on one of the cars and stop the train at the right spot instead of running back and forth to the engine to make adjustments when loading
Finally you can just put a boxcar at the crane and leave and it will load itself. When you were talking about the draw bars and pins hooking up the engines to tenders you mentioned yall used a diesel engine. Was this mentioning PeeWee or do yall have something bigger.
Speaking on the AutoTrain, I have been a regular passenger of the train for a few years prior to Covid. The way it works is first, the only passengers on the train are those who are traveling with their vehicles. Second, they drop off their cars outside the station, wherein the station crew loads the vehicles into the car haulers and, about 30 minutes before departure, the passengers load into coaches and sleepers where they have the ability to move around and visit the club cars (coaches and sleepers have separate clubs) and the dining car for dinner and breakfast. On arrival at destination, passengers disembark while the car haulers are disconnected and lined up for unloading, with each vehicle individually numbered for the passenger to limit confusion during the unloading process. Yes, a little time consuming but the convenience is notable for snow bunnies and sun worshipers... at least along the east coast. --- Strictly speaking, it's an 'express' run from point to point with no station stops between and only one crew-change stop roughly halfway.
Ah, my favorite train podcast boys are back at it again. Hey Hyce, I would really like a video about the railroad slang that y'all use because it felt like this video there were a lot more than usual I had to look up and understand.
Corkscrew Gulch on the Silverton RR is the turntable you're thinking of, and it's both clever and gross lmao. The turntable was on the tail of the switchback, and each approach was downhill toward the turntable for a short section. the inbound train would park on the approach, run the engine onto the turntable, turn it, and then wait on the other track. The disconnected train was then rolled by gravity over the turntable, where the lone engine could then reverse onto it and proceed down the other leg of the switchback. this negated the need for a second engine but allowed that engine to always lead the train on the line's 5% grades.
At around 27:20 you mention the Amtrak Auto Train. That was a big news story recently (Jan 10, 2023) when it was delayed and didn't arrive for 37 hours! 😩😣😡😠😵💫 Some passengers were calling 911 to report that they thought they were being kidnapped. The train conductors broadcast over the PA to please quit calling 911. 🙄
@@Elliottblancher Thanks for clearing that up for those who'll most definitely ask the question in seriousness. Guess not all will get the mock question above; especially since most just ask without checking if it was asked before 😂
Hello From Marion Ohio, Home of Huber from your Family's Past History. I worked and Retired from the Water Co. In Marion Our Office was the Old Huber Mansion For years till we moved out and into The Renovated Isleys Ice Cream Factory just around the back side of the Block From the Mansion in Marion Ohio. My Railroad Online Rolling Stock is all named Erie Lackawanna. Our Town to this day is a Train crossing North South East and West Trains All day long run through Marion. CSX and Norfolk Southern have Yards here. As a kid I loved to wait on trains at the Erie Lackawanna Yard It had a Guy with a Lantern to stop Traffic for Trains No Crossing Gates or Lights. He sat in a Small Shed wide enough for a Chair it had No Door Wind Cold Warm Snow or Rain he was there all day and night long. I had a Relative that was a Engineer and would let me ride with him down to the Roundhouse and back as a Kid. Lot of fun.
So I can speak on the Auto-Train; Its only there because thats where the specialized equipment is [both Lorton and Sanford only handle the Auto Train] to load the car carriers and because the train cant go any further due to tunnel clearances [Its Superliners + Autoracks] You dont ride in your car [Sorry Kahn]. You drop your car off at the station and the workers will load your car onto the train. You have a choice of Superliner sleeper or coach for the overnight journey. It is the longest passenger train in North America [or so they say] as its 3/4 of a mile long at full consist [2 Gensis + 16 Superliners + Autocarriers]. I highly recommend watching the video, Rise and Fall and Rise of the Auto Train, it covers most everything from the original corporation to modern day. Its such a fascinating and unique train and its my favorite train due to many trips aboard.
Here in Victoria our little shunters were quite literally the front half of a tractor mounted on older freight car undercarriages with a chain drive. In some you can even see where the steering column would have been (albeit cut off at the top and bottom) They're rated at 40 to 51hp, a max speed of 15km/h or ~9.3mp/h, had no air brakes and are good for taking around 200 tonnes on level ground or 42-48 tonnes on a 1 in 40 gradient.
I find it mildly interesting that techniques introduced on trains near the tail end of the age of steam (duplex engines) were not only standard for Marine steam engines, but by the end of the marine steam age (1960s/70s) they were more than 70 years out of date, they were probably 70 years out of date when train steam engines started to die off. Double expansion steam engines were quickly replaced by triple expansion for essentially everything and certain high speed (mostly French) navy ships had quadruple expansion engines. By 1906 the Dreadnought hit the waters with a turbine powerplant and for high speed military applications (essentially everything military outside of certain US Dreadnoughts) the steam piston engine was dead for warships. Apparently it's a lot harder to drive 60,000 tons of steel through the waves at 32 nautical miles per hour than it is to run (train weight) at (train speed) on steel rails. The steam age at sea was killed on cost grounds by Diesel for a variety of reasons (steam systems expensive, steam rated sailors expensive, diesel cheap, diesel engines cheap, diesel rated engineers cheap), and was partially killed by gas turbines for acoustic stealth and power density (two guesses as to what needs those features, the first one doesn't count). In theory the steam age continues with steam turbine engines built for new ships, but the boilers run highly enriched uranium (unless you're French, then it's low enriched uranium) rather than oil. The fun thing with gas turbines is that a 10,000 ton destroyer has exactly half as much horsepowers as a Boeing 747... because they use the same turbines, and the 747 has twice as many.
12:58, back when i was diving into the UP TTT's (2-10-2) i heard something along the lines of young valve gear having superior steam admission to walshearts and baker
Question Hice: Does the smelter have a grade leading to it in the game. On the hill next to the smelter, the ground seams to make a grade from the smelter to the top of the hill. I am unsure if that is the intended grade for the industry or if that is how the hill was formed?
theyre gonna be very happy to know about the auto loading cranes when they go for those tools, i think EVERYONE is happy for auto loading cranes on the tools, having to click it 32 times per car would get annoying VERY quickly
there's 6 class 1 railroads in north america, might be 5. I know 4 Canadian Pacific, Canadian National, Union pacific, BNSF and thats based of the model trains we own.
not sure if kAN will be here, but on the topic at the start of the video about the reverser and regulator. In simple terms, about why less reverser = more speed. I've always made the comparison to a car. Regulator = throttle, Reverser = transmission. 100% reverser = 1st gear and more torque. ~10% reverser = 6th gear, less torque, more speed... at least, that's how elementary school me learned it when i started playing train sims, and that's how it's stuck with me.
I once lived across the San Lorenzo River from Roaring Camp and Big Trees. Tourist RR since 1963. Went there as a kid. When in college lived across the river. Even in winter you could set your watch to the noon whistle. Would save my used motor oil to donate which they burnt. Yes it does have locos you have mentioned in RO. My friend is a stockholder. His dad bought each of his three sons stock in weird ventures as a tool to teach them about investing and money. He got the RR stock. Still takes his significant other there and flashes his stock or something and gets free rides for both of them. Brought my own child there about 10 years ago. Still a fun place. They now have a std gauge route to downtown Santa Cruz that is fun and includes a tunnel and street running! I've seen the video where the Chiggen runs on that line only tens of miles from it's original home in Davenport.
