and i hate it that they are showing killer frost so weak.....i mean c'mon she has got cold powers for gods sake and what abot that regenerative capability she can heal fast ... one blow and she is out.....i am not buying that shit
sarah stark exactly, I don’t kno what superhero (or villain I honestly don’t kno any more) they r trying to make but that ain’t killerfrost, that’s some mediocre shit of t lazy ass people
Stein's death was more sad than Iris's death last year... I didn't react to Iris's death, I was like "Okay she died." Next week, I just discovered that HR took Iris's place and I was like "Really writers ? You don't have the balls to kill a main character ?" Now, Stein died and I was like "At least LoT writers had the balls to kill a main character... but it was still sad... I cried..."
when Iris died I was like "sure, ok", when it turned out to be HR I was like "I actually feel sorrier for him than for that b17#(#. He, at least, was an interesting character." When Stein died I was crying.
HR's death was really mess up, I'd have cry if someone else except Tracy cares about his death, because seriously... talking about a wedding the day when someone died.... Stein's death was sad because he considered Jacks like his son and also the actors played this scene very well, but again, the same day... a wedding... I'm afraid that if Snowbarry happen the writers screw up everything...
And after HR died the was no sign of Tracy. Like WTF? Isn't she supposed to be a part of the team or something? She lost THE LOVE of her life and nobody seems to care, now that is sad
Ep. 4x03: 1. The priest is dying of allergic. 2. WA tried to get married right after someone's funeral. Crossover ep: 1. The priest died of murder. 2. WA got married right after Stein's funeral. The irony of Iris..
That ticked me off. Barry is trying to figure out what to do about their new enemy and the bus load of meta-humans that's running around and all iris could focus on is their wedding. I fully expect her to get into an argument with him and want him to stop prioritizing his job as a superhero over her one day.
Philip Murray Iris is trying to be important in every single scene and fails miserably... All she can ever do is sidetrack Barry from being a hero. Every second of WA melodrama/ ‘motivating’ pep talks is slowly killing the Flash. Wonder why they still kept this bit*h living when she is the most stupid, annoying, useless character.
Its like the world is telling them not to get married. But ya know.. iris won't listen to the universe bc of the control freak she is. Not to mention... nazis crashed their wedding. They ain't meant for each other
Shayla Nash everyone was sad thats a stupid argument and it was a simple wedding that's not even selfish dont be a dip how can you even actually define that as selfish she did nothing to be selfish i honestly dont get that logic
Putting iris and felicity on the same level is very insulting for Felicity's intelligence, her hacking skills, her work.at Palmer tech.And unlike Iris, Felicity was one of the first people who.knew about both Oliver and Barry.
Plus Felicity actually has always had an important purpose on Team Arrow. Iris didn't really have much importance on Team Flash until she got together with Barry.
I'm pretty sure you're misinterpreting ROL. he put felicity and iris on the same level in the context of being humans (without super powers). they both nag a lot you cannot deny it. they are useless in the context of being good love interests and trying too hard to be heroes. also, iris broke up with barry left the engagement ring while he was in bed being nursed back to health. felicity not only broke up tons of times with oliver but humiliated him in front of everyone when she flipped out and yelled "I don't want to marry you" and yet he kept a cool head. ROL ships olicity but not more than Snowbarry. he even found parallels with Snowbarry and olicity in his previous videos. but he says how it is, the writers try to put iris felicity as equals in this relationship department because they both are "the love interests" of the heroes. That's how they are shown as "equals".
Kuroko Taiga Iris knows how to fight?(Well guns do count but when do guns even come into use against super villains?)What show are you watching? The Iris West Show? You are exactly as pathetic as Iris trying to be funny. (Btw, If you really do think that she has a great sense of humour, then you’re just having an IQ about 0)
Compare Felicity with Iris is a insult ,Felicity always was in the team and have more chemistry with Oliver than Laurel,almost all olicity ship SB becouse all the similar between them is not our fault Flash writers don't risk and want to follow their awful comics and don't follow their own story like Arrow
I feel like a better comparison would be Caitlin and Felicity. Both are smart, beautiful, kind, and can be dorky without meaning to. That's the best kind.
Caitlin was so badass during this crossover! She did some of everything. Treating and diagnosing patients, brainstorming with the scientists, kicking ass as Frost. She stood out as one of the best characters along with Stein, Mick, and Eobard/Harry. What did Iris do? Spin in a chair, ask everyone what to do, and fake like she gave a shit about her phantom friend Felicity! Lol What happened to Miss Team Leader that knows what to do and tells everyone how to do it? Barry didn’t seem to do much of anything either. Is it just one major coincidence that Barry is nerfed to the max during the same time he’s been with Iris. He didn’t seem this inept and inactive before they became a couple. I mean, it was a foregone conclusion the WestAllen wedding would happen one way or another. I really just want Iris out of StarLabs at this point. These writers have downplayed Snowbarry since Season 2. They can’t even have an alone conversation anymore. It’s forcing Snowbarry apart as much as forcing WestAllen together. The few Snowbarry interactions in Season 4 have taken a huge dump on all the bloated WestAllen schmaltz. We get it Flash writers! Barry and Iris love the each other and are destiny. But you also need to get that MOST fans aren’t buying what you are selling, so dial down the romance.
I actually read a story on fanfiction where Barry cheated on Iris with Caitlin but I don't remember what it's called. The Flash TV section of fanfiction actually has more SnowBarry stories than WestAllen.
Kuroko Taiga No, ignorant is people who constantly defend their relationship by making up things and telling outright lies, whether it be that Iris is the heart of tram Flash, or she's always loved Barry, or she's a smart, capable kickass reporter, NONE of which have been shown on the series. Let's see...heart of Team Flash, yet she never interacts with any of the scientists, only with Joe, who doesn't know science, and Barry, and that's only about their relationship. Always loved Barry, yet chose Eddie THREE times over Barry in Season 1. Great reporter, yet got the job through nepotism and was rarely ever shown being a reporter, just hanging around the lab all the time. And smart? Please, she's a complete clueless idiot. Even in this team leader role, the only thing she brings to the table is constant melodrama.
drlee2 like i said.....ignorant......first off Cisco or Barry is the heart of the team in my opinion, secondly I'm pretty sure when they say she's always loved Barry that can just mean love not romantic kind of love which btw her being with eddie is kinda normal heck felicity was with plenty of people ray palmer that guy that died in season 5, her hacker boyfriend from season 4, heck she's kissed barry and almost got with him, iris can fight, its been stated, she knocked out wally and Barry's bully, but oh, they never showed it.......'_' she was actually with the team for six months they just never showed it so technically you're wrong and yes she's clearly helping out the team and they are only 8 episodes in you don't know what'll happen hell this crossover she was useful as hell you're clearly a hater if you tried to not notice that OH AND WHO HAD DOUBTS Felicity, hell she got Felicity and her to safety every single part they were in together and helped her free kara oh but you're just so right?and what do you mean she's faking like she cares about Felicity? Hell she wouldn't have helped her now i know you're bs ing no one like iris in that show is fake about friendships hell she just tried to be caitlins friend and hey you know what it was iris's idea.... She was basically a leader in the cross over when she had to be and stfu barry has been nerfed since the show started DO YOU NEED ME TO TELL YOU EACH AND EVERY TIME HE HAD BEEN NERFED people love to talk about iris but jot about how caitlin almost let barry die willingly, something iris has never done and then you people want everyone to believe in some snowbarry shiz then you think snowbarry is real wow you're so salty and buuthurt that's really why you don't like her or at least the main reason stfu they aren't a thing aren't a couple never will be get over it :) you crave scenes with them that much...... Then they need to dial down the romance but your fake ass knows that if it were caitlin and barry you'd be totally ok with it get outta here with that fake shiz and fans aren't really buying anything it was clear since day they'd be together so its good they are enforcing it and making it official hey wanna try something its fun its called "give me an actual " shipworthy" scene of caitlin and barry other than a fake barry kissing her, her being drunk and singing with him, or him just talking to her about nothing but ronnie or an actual situation lol iris hater lol sad and salty
the best thing about the crossover was the frost fighting scenes... I honestly wish there was more snowbarry (maybe not as in *love* but like at least as friends) there are such few scenes with them together!
Caitlin and Barry were really good friends at one point. I think they toned it down because people were pushing them as a couple. It's a shame; I miss that friendship too. Grant and Danielle had great friendly chemistry.
Eric Xie funny how they are doing better than dc movies they have supernatural and riverdale still getting them ratings jane the virgin and my crazy ex girlfriend too and have had the best adaptation of dc heroes on tv but yeah they ruin everything -_-
Lucy!! Dragneel i'm snowbarry shipper i told the other guy to shut up because he has sakura profile picture and sakura is the worst character in naruto
+kid buu your immaturity prove what a huge baby you are...do you seriously just bully people online, calling them names, when you see they dont have the same tastes and preferences as you!? Just Grow tf up kid! Not every likes the same shit you need to learn to live with it instead of directly insulting people for not disliking what you dislike! This is a flash video! Not Naruto! So fuck off to where you came from! your opinion of my favorite characters from other series is meaningless in this conversation! plus.google.com/u/0/107568857893799978479
Was anyone else not happy with how Wally was sidelined after the first part of the crossover? He was doing more cool shit than Barry and we haven't really seen Wally showcased like that at all, this was their chance to fully utilize his character (especially with how useless he was last crossover).
Seriously I feel like frost is more power then I make her seem. And then just when she going to something cool or good they make look weak in a scene like really she could of frozen him like nothing. Oh and love you videos.
I've noticed that when an episode is full of powered people, they have to make them seem weaker to explain why all of them are needed. I wish they hadn't done that to Killer Frost; I love that character and the actress. She is so awesome.
**Smiley Moreno** Same, I love Killer Frost, I just wanted to see a Vibe/Frost/Flash fightning scene together. It'd be awesome. I don't want the writers to make her weak and make Iris stronger than her... (trying)
Godspeed i'll laugh if they give iris cold powers to replace caitlin so that peopl will think iris is useful when even in season 1 and 2 cailtin even while being captured by zoom helped the team more than barry did
well, her fighting abilities are a joke. like come on killer frost couldn't handle a guy with a bow and arrow, but iris can take out a soldier? please. if "stating the obvious" is "leading the team" then yeah she can totally do that. do not recall her ever actually helping barry or being smart. as for the equipment you are totally right I completely forgot that SHE CAN OPEN AND SEND FILES incredible talent
IKR. It's like the writers are trying to tick off SnowBarry fans. They had no problem with Barry and Caitlin hanging out before WestAllen became a thing.
Maybe it's the fans' fault for trying to push Snowbarry so hard. Come on; Snowbarry was never a thing. That was just the fans' attempt to get the writers to sideline Iris and make Caitlin and Barry a couple. Like I commented to someone else, your best bet is fanfiction. And seeing as WestAllen are a couple, their talks aren't pointless.
+Christy Snell so instead of telling a good story they want to resort to petty fighting with some of their fans. Yet the fans are the one's at fault, okay. Also, still doesn't make him any less of a sucky friend (lately).
Thanks for the vid, that crossover was pretty epic. Love how they are FINALLY allowing Caitlin to use her powers for good. Her superhero landing in the spaceship was awesome!
SuperPuperHeroX Yeah, Stein and Jax are a lot like Barry’s relationship with Joe and Henry. That was such a powerfully emotional set of scenes with Stein’s death and the funeral. Some people complained about Jax’s acting, but I thought it was incredibly raw and real. Like, he didn’t just have to let his ‘father’ go, he had to give him the potion that would kill him. I think too many times, we see people be overly strong, but Jax showed real honest emotion like man, I just don’t want this to happen the whole step of the way. I don’t even watch Legends and I was floored by how powerful that death scene was. I know Stein from his few episodes of Flash and Jax was only in 1 episode, but I still believed in the power of their relationship from that death scene.
BATMAN XD yep everyone in this comment section is dumb if you completely missed the awesome story reveals and fight scenes and let the relationship drama that didnt even take up much time get to you
Are you joking ? Every conversations they had in the crossover was about romance and wedding, even when Iris and Felicity tried to "save everyone" because of course they're the TRUE heroes (which is dumb) they were talking about how the wedding turned bad...
When the priest says at 3:22 - does anyone here have a cause that these two should not be married? Me at that moment- (stands up and shouts) stop this wedding!!!!! This is incest!!!!!!! This is an abomination of romance!!!!!!!
I find it absolutely astonishing (RIP Martin) how Barry has more chemistry with his close friend than he does the so-called "love of his life". Sloppy writing? Foreshadowing? I'm rooting for the latter. Also they finally teamed up together in the field! That has got to be one of the coolest SB moments of all time.
Rory and Cait are freaking killing it! 2:46-2:56 *GOLD* 3:55-4:00 laughed so hard! 5:17-5:39 *fav* I am just so done with this ship. I'm serious. Whatever the writers are doing I'm just *over* it. Over to the point that for some reason, I have no idea why and how that happened, I started shipping Cait and Ronnie. I just want him back, and I just want Caitlin to be happy!!! I was broken when professor Stein was talking to Cait about Ronnie, when he died and this part "tell Ronnie I miss him". The fact that she wasn't supported by anyone just brought me tears. And honestly I can even like the idea of her being with Ray, don't mind that. I just need this *Iris bullshit* to stop, bc eventually I'm gonna stop watching the show. Oh and btw if they can make everyone came back they can make Ronnie come back too. He could be firestorm again with Jax, wouldn't that be cool. Maybe that would remind Barry how he felt in s1. GOD I'm so *DONE WITH THIS SHIT*
I love snowbarry, but I don't think the writers are ever going to make it happen. Caitlin Snow deserves better, and I hope she just joins the legends, because Frost is the only reason that I watch Flash. :(
Red Noxia I'm being optimistic about it the writers said that there'll be 9-12 seasons of the Flash, they can't keep the same love story going for that long
My thing is why oh why are these writers so hell bent on forcing Iris into all the action? I mean, she can be the wife but she has no chemistry or dynamic with Team Flash. In fact, she’s ruining their dynamic with her presence in the lab all the time. Just let Barry’s hero life be separate from his family life, because JOE is the only family that makes Barry succeed as a hero, not Iris. And Barry’s relationships with Cait, Cisco, and Harry are strong as hell. Stop suppressing that just to give WestAllen more undeserving screen time.
i felt something die inside of me when barry and iris got married BUT NONe THE LESS THESE VIDEOS FREAKING MAKE MY DAY AND I LOVE THIS PERSON FOR MAKING IT AHHHHHHHH MY HEART
Me too, I was hoping that in Legends she could train more and reach the 100% of her powers, and with people who will be willing to help her do that like Martin Stein (RIP) who really saw her true potential. And the female dynamic is so much better
I'll stay tuned for your videos. I cant watch the flash and give them my ratings anymore. They know what their doing with having a frost and flash centered episode tom. They want us all to go back to their show and ignore all the incredible ridiculousness. Its 1am here and i would be able to coherently explain myself if i wasnt so dead tired. But really its not worth it. We can send a message to them. Thousands of people diligently watch RoL and if we all stopped warching afrer rhe wedding we can make a change for season 5!!! Which they are already planning btw. This shoe wont even have a thought of cancellation until their 7th season. Please join me. Thanks for reading. And thanks RoL I also get turned on by her in the most friendship way possible, like shes so cool and nice and i just want her to be happy sort of way. I freaked out when she was one of the 3 flying heroes!!!
Olicity and Felicity fan here but I respect our difference of opinion. Killer Frost is one the strongest character in the arrowverse even when she was just Dr. Caitlyn Snow w/her medical expertise
I feel like the thinker has something in store for snowbarry.The upcoming episode might cause divide between team flash,and even cause Caitlin to part from the team,with Iris making the choice to rescue Barry over Caitlin (obviously her "bestie" is less important than Barry).Also you forgot to point out the obvious timetravelling future daughter of WA showing up at the wedding.Even she was worried she would cease to exist and came back to make sure her parents ACTUALLY go through with the wedding,because that is how unreliable her parents relationship truly is.
not so probable since she didn't help not show during the fight in the church, probably she only wanted to see the moment her parents got married, after all, if i'm not wrong, barry dies before she was born, so probably that's why she looked at him with such love and admiration in her eyes, because she never had the chance to meet him as her daughter, but only know about him by the stories about him being a hero and a good man, she was looking at the man she never had the chance to call "dad" and at the same time she looked at her hero, the man of the stories, stories about a man who fight against evil to protect the world and the innocents, a good man who was willing to even sacrifice himself for the sake of others, a man who is worth admiring and that she never had the chance to meet before, but that would have loved her no matter what and with all his heart (i think that would be the kind of dad that barry would be).
Maybe the reason that they didn't have a Earth-X Barry was maybe Barry's Earth-X doppelganger was probably killed by Reverse Flash probably the same reason for Earth-X Caitlin and Earth-X Cisco not being there
Sometimes I thought these small moments like Caitlin agreeing to Barry are scripted and sometimes I think they are not. Because we never see Iris(Candice Patton) doing that
"Being dad to these two" is definitely not a phrase you expect to hear at a wedding about the loving couple. How did I miss that the first time around? If I was an innocent bystander who didn't know their history, I probably would have went, "wait, WHAT?"
I like watching this type of videos you make but you ruined it by judging felicity and comparing her to iris. Felicity isn't useless and unlike iris she didn't became a mastermind overnight, felicity was always smart and helping around. And your being a hypocrite, you ship snowbarry because they have more chemistry than westallen. It was the same with olicity fans, they ship it because they had more chemistry that oliver and laurel. Laurel is the iris and Caitlin is the felicity. Olicity fans got lucky because there was many of them and they needed to kill off laurel to give her a "better" story. And just because olicity happened, unlike snowbarry, doesn't make felicity useless all of the sudden. Is like saying if Barry and Caitlin ever get together, Caitlin would become useless too
So he's a hypocrite if he ships Snowbarry but not Olicity? c'mon what kind of logic is that?? Snowbarry is way way way better than olicity. you make it sound like shipping olicity is an obligation upon everyone who ships Snowbarry. that's just so uncalled for. Sure, olicity has more chemistry than lauriver and its a ship that sailed before everyone else but that doesn't meant you must force yourself to ship it. olicity was better until Season 4 and that's when felicity became a constant pain in the ass always bossing oliver around. Sure she is useful but that doesn't mean we have to love how she treats oliver and just basically dominates over him all the time and expects him to obey and listen to whatever she says.
+Kuroko Taiga yeah don't you like be when huge characters changes happen off screen. If Iris told Barry "I slept with insert hero while you were gone" would you be angry that you didn't see the events leading up to it ?
I agree with you. Felicity=Caitlin as to Laurel=Iris because both Laurel and Iris are the comic book end games. Besides, Felicity is very much.like caitlin in the first parts of Arrow. Both Felicity and Caitlin are geniuses in their specific fields. However, I would prefer Laurel over Iris any day. Laurel was written way better than Iris.
Oh shoot and man I LOOOOOVE your vids. I watch them every week just for the parrallels and entertainment. Never give up! You deserve 19499994375737573747 subs
The karamel and snowbarry parallel was THE best. I feel like if kara was on earth1 she would totally ship snowbarry!! and totally felt the same with Sara and Alex's and jaxs feelings. Lol sooo excited for 4x09 btw!
okay i was seriously considering quiting after 4x09 but those parallels!!!! so damn grateful for your vids! this was amzing!!! and oliverxkara even but not snowbarry stings so bad!! amazing vid as always and cant wait for your next vid honestly!
You have the best video ever and I'm a diehard SnowBarry fan also I write fanfiction for the couple. Was 4x09 so bad that's why you haven't put a video up
Thank you for your great job with snowbarry videos *_~ Actually I have noticed funny thing during the wedding. Preacher says “Although I don’t know them well, I know that this is a good match. How do i know that? Well because of you, because of all of you. Looking out at their friends and their family and seeing the JOY on all your faces, seeing how HAPPY you are for them tells me everything I need to know” In parallel camera shows VERY SAD Cara and Alex and a GRUMPY Oliver. And do not forget about BORED and SLEEPING Mick. Their faces REALLY tells me everything I need to know about WA as a couple
Dawn to Barry: Remember to say I do The girl travelled back in time just to remind her father to say 'I do' and he still forgot to do it 😂 Wait, are they officially married?
Kuroko Taiga Actually, no. I was hoping for more fight scenes in this crossover, but they kind of concentrated on the friking relationships and hookups (That i personally dont like) of the shows and that left me very dissapointed. And btw i like snowbarry and is my damn opinion ;)
Nicole Javier more fight scenes.....yeah ok i guess you missed the huge one on the first ep the ton in one fight scenes in the second, the plenty of fight scenes in the third and the huge one in the 4th i bet you do like snowbarry
Nicole Javier um theres something called a story and character devlopment and plot and time limit......this was woven together perfectly and the directing was great its their best crossover completley tops the first one and everyone got what they wanted except steins death action cant be the only thing or else it would be bad heck they introduced a new character and brought back old ones like tommy and red tornado
End of the world? Face it 3x. Time travel? I've been there a lot. He's married to someone else? ... Is that a hidden message that Barry will be married to someone else in the future? O.O
He did get married to someone else after years after Iris was murdered by Eobard Thawne in the comics. Although he was with her for quite some time before it happened.
Barry was never married to someone else, he was engaged to Fiona Webb cause he thought Iris was dead and he forced himself to move on but he broke up with Fiona before they got married cause she had a mental breakdown and left him.
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