The Forgotten Controversy in the 49ers/Rams Rivalry

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Would a rival ever help another rival out and be generous? Well, in 1995, that's what the St. Louis Rams were hoping that the San Francisco 49ers would do, when the Rams requested a schedule change after construction of their home venue, The Dome, was delayed. As for San Francisco's response to St. Louis' request? You can imagine how that went...
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@footwork216 23 дня назад

The game in St. Louis that year was the infamous "Same old sorry ass Rams" game.

@marcus813 23 дня назад

I still remember hearing that bon mot. Whenever I hear it, I can't keep a straight face!

@footwork216 23 дня назад

At one point during their late 2000's decline, I was strongly considering getting a custom Rams jersey with "Sosar" on the back.

@northstarpokeshipper2148 23 дня назад

If I had a nickel for every time OJG did a video about an NFL team asking their divisional rivals if they could swap home games because of issues relating to the stadium, I’d have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot, but still weird it happened twice.

@johnwhite5485 19 дней назад

What was the other?

@northstarpokeshipper2148 19 дней назад

@@johnwhite5485 1987, when Washington asked the newly moved Phoenix Cardinals if they could swap their Week 4 (in PHX) and Week 7 (in WSH) games because they didn’t want to play in an early season afternoon game in the desert. Phoenix told Washington to shove it.

@johnwhite5485 19 дней назад

@@northstarpokeshipper2148 Thanks, I remember that but wasn't thinking of it because the request was denied, I believe by the League. I think that the Cardinals may have been neutral on it though coach Gene Stallings said that his attitude was to "play the hand that you're dealt*" As a season ticket holder, I was at that game. My wife at the time, when seeing Washington come on the field in their burgundy, asked if that would be confusing not realizing that the Cardinals opted to wear white to reflect the heat. In hindsight I'm thinking that the Cardinals should have had 1:00 Eastern (10:00 am local) start time because that heat isn't quite as bad earlier in the day. * Parenthetically, I'll add that that quote resonated with me because even decades later I've used it professionally when colleagues whining about situations and demanding unnecessary changes.

@e93sports80 23 дня назад

Hope you get to 60k soon

@ervinghenderson4780 23 дня назад

Maybe it's best that this game didn't open the dome

@astrostar49 11 дней назад

This went from just the "Same Old Sorry Ass Rams" game to the "Meet Me in St.Louis" game.

@mjwatts1983 23 дня назад

1995 SF-STL The “Same Old Sorry Rams” Game

@marquan1976 23 дня назад

As a St Louis native, this game was an ass-whooping of epic per portions

@aaronholcomb237 22 дня назад

The worst loss for a St. Louis affiliated NFL team that I can find is a 52-10 loss to the Eagles in 1981.

@CTubeMan 22 дня назад

This unofficial Official Jaguar Gator 9 historian will remind everyone you made a video about the broadcast controversy between CBS and NBC in Week 7 of the 1983 season. I bring this up because you mentioned the switch in the Eagles-Cowboys game played that day.

@chrisguardiano6143 22 дня назад

This is very similar to what happened in 1979 between the Sounders & Timbers in the NASL. For some context, the Sounders-Timbers rivalry is the biggest & longest standing soccer rivalry in the US with almost 50 years of history between the two teams across the various leagues of American soccer including MLS. Heading into the 2nd match up of the 1979 season, the Timbers were scheduled to host the Sounders at Civic Stadium (now Providence Park) as they had done for the past 4 seasons. However the Portland Beavers minor league baseball team was in the middle of a home stand which meant that the Timbers could not play this match at Civic Stadium. The Timbers tried to find another suitable venue in the Portland area (heck they even called the Oregon Ducks to see if Autzen Stadium was available) to no avail. Then like the Rams, the Timbers asked their rivals the Sounders to host this match at the Kingdome with the Timbers hosting the 3rd & final game. The Sounders said no to this as they had already planned to be on the road that week. Even if they wanted to, the Sounders could not host this match, as the Kingdome was being used by the Mariners for a home stand. In the end West Linn HS (in nearby Wilsonville) offered up their stadium to the Timbers to host this match which the Timbers agreed. As for how the match turned out, it ended 3-1 to the Sounders in front of a crowd of 1,500 people (the smallest crowd to ever see a league game between the two teams) way below 25,000 the Timbers would have gotten if the match had taken place at Civic Stadium.

@IAMGavinMitchell 19 дней назад

I've been subscribed to this channel since the pandemic, and this is the first time I've seen your face. Keep up the great work.

@OfficialJaguarGator9 19 дней назад

Thanks! Been showing my face on stream, and now that I've got this studio, been showing my face more often over the last year, adjusting the helmets in the background depending on what teams are being talked about

@Jason_Maier 22 дня назад

In 1971, the Cowboys first two home games were at the Cotton Bowl due to Texas Stadium construction delays. Other swapped divisional games for shared stadium conflicts: 1985 - Cardinals/Eagles swapped home games because the Cardinals were playing in the NLCS. 1989 - 49ers/Saints swapped because the Giants were in the NLCS.

@matthewdaley746 22 дня назад

SB VI, was the first, "Bridesmaid, Bowl," SB 11, was the second, Tom Landry was fortunate that the Dolphins were led by a coach that historically, came up even smaller than him, and, no, I've never believed, quality, trumps, quantity.

@mgb4692 22 дня назад

The 1990 NLCS forced the Bengals to swap their game with the Oilers to the Astrodome. Interesting for two reasons (not just cause they got blown out 48-17): It gave them five straight road games, and the Steelers getting to keep their home game with the Chargers the week prior actually helped facilitate it. Interestingly enough Game 7 would not have been played on Sunday but Saturday night, however the turnaround would have been too quick. It was all a moot point as the Reds eliminated the Pirates in six thus no game seven.

@matthewdaley746 22 дня назад

@mgb4692 Yet, somehow, a team that was way better, got swept in the World Series, the 1990 Reds have only one, HOFer, Barry Larkin, and, that's only because of, it, and, a dubious,MVP, Award, which he won in 1995, he was a really good player, but, he wasn't that good.

@ibraheemrao8434 23 дня назад

San Francisco beat the rams 17 straight from 1990-1998.

@DolFan316 23 дня назад

This is why I need to read *all* the comments before saying something that's already been said. BTW I still take pride in my team holding the NFL record for longest win streak over an opponent even though it started before I was born and ended before I started following the NFL.

@Bruin88 21 день назад

No one cares.

@HowtoMoron 20 дней назад

Really?

@marcus813 23 дня назад

I remember this quite well. I went to an event with my dad and I was listening to the radio broadcast of the Falcons/Buccaneers game that was running at the same time as 49ers/Rams (Falcons/Bucs was blacked out throughout Central Florida). I got wind of what happened in St. Louis and I was shocked because going into that game, I thought the Rams were legit. I had no idea about the Rams trying to switch dates with the Niners, but I think the Niners did the right thing due to how their schedule would've played out if they switched. Also, the San Francisco Giants and the St. Louis Cardianals didn't even make the MLB playoffs that year, so the World Series argument was DOA.

@matthewdaley746 23 дня назад

The 49ers were lucky to win SB 29, things fell apart almost before the, Victory Parade, ended, they proceeded to dominate the Cowboys, only to run into the Packers, who took away the rest of Steve Young's prime before a, (fraudulent), loss, as for the Giants, they suffered the indignity of losing to one of the very few Championship teams without a, HOFer, before, ultimately, becoming the, Dynasty, that the, Cardinals/Dodgers, should have been.

@marcus813 20 дней назад

@@matthewdaley746 The Niners didn't luck into that Super Bowl XXIX win. That Chargers side didn't belong on the same field with them.

@matthewdaley746 19 дней назад

@@marcus813Everything prior lucky, unquestionably.

@ec1628 23 дня назад

Having all of those Ram helmets up there really show how awful the broken horns really are. Also those uniforms the Rams are wearing in this video are light years better than the current strange look. Please fix the moon or banana helmets. They look ridiculous.

@DolFan316 23 дня назад

Like everything else about modern life, all NFL uniform changes have been for the worse. But of course just like all the other bad change forced upon you, if you tell the truth about it you're shouted down and called a boomer yelling at clouds to get off your lawn, or something. 🙄

@matthewdaley746 23 дня назад

They beat Tom Brady in what really should have been his last Game, and, they're still the last team other than the Chiefs to win the SB, as much as I find them to be totally hideous, they're here to stay, unfortunately, that's that.

@matthewdaley746 23 дня назад

@DolFan316 Plus, inevitably, vindication, occurs.

@ec1628 22 дня назад

@@matthewdaley746they don’t sell well so hopefully they are out after this year. You see more SF Giants gear around then that Ram stuff. That was not the case 4 years ago.

@matthewdaley746 22 дня назад

@ec1628 Exorbitant investment means, unlikely.

@rushbroussard5399 23 дня назад

If The Rams Didn't Want To Play The 49ers At Bush Stadium In 1995 Why Couldn't The Rams Have Played The 49ers At The University Of Missouri

@mgb4692 22 дня назад

Oddly enough we just had some back and forth between Northwestern and Wisconsin over the site of their game this year (Badgers had been lobbying for Lambeau even though it's an NU home game, they're playing at a temporary campus stadium instead)

@RetroJR3379 23 дня назад

First time that LA was happy the 49ers blew up the Rams

@matthewdaley746 23 дня назад

Speaking of which, ironically, the current version of the Rams are far less successful than the current version of the 49ers, (regular season only), but, they managed to split their two SB appearances, and, would even manage to avenge their loss to Tom Brady in 2021, totally swell, it is.

@footwork216 23 дня назад

The Rams have been mostly awful since the start of the 90's but they have 4 Super Bowl appearances in that time period. I'm sure there are some teams with a much better regular season record in that span that haven't even sniffed a Super Bowl, like the Vikings.

@matthewdaley746 23 дня назад

@footwork216 The Vikings, historically, are just the most obscenely unlucky team, in, NFL, history, they've never even had three consecutive losing seasons, but, are, 0-4, in SBs, meanwhile, the Eagles, are, 1-3, but, always played in the identical division, as, one, (or, more), Dynastic, teams, and, the only time they won was because Tom Brady treated the Game like a coronation, and, was too pigheaded to take the sack, Philadelphia Sports Teams In General, are consistently the, second-best, team in their respective sport, meanwhile, Tampa Bay, has two SBs, despite, a pathetic overall winning percentage, sports are the cruelest lottery imaginable.

@astrostar49 11 дней назад

Damn the Rams just used to get their asses kicked by the 49ers during this era. Even when Steve Young didn't play. Great times 😊

@michaellee4276 21 день назад

When you ask a favor of a rival, you offer a favor in return. Give SF a 6th rd pick or a 4th for a 5th swap.

@toddhawley2226 22 дня назад

The Edward James Dome (or whatever it was called at the time) ran into some trouble years later when a 49er RB got injured due to what he claimed was bad turf during another 49ers-Rams game years later and sued the venue. I think that was the last year the Rams played there before moving back to Los Angeles.

@matthewdaley746 22 дня назад

They were already on borrowed time after, TGSOT, got exposed as an obscenely overrated, Paper Tiger, once, "various, outside, elements/circumstances," muddied the waters, they were as good as gone, and, that's truly all that needs to be said about that.

@toddhawley2226 22 дня назад

@@matthewdaley746 Right. Rams never should have left L.A. to begin with. Their move to St. Louis as I'm sure you know is a LONG story in itself.

@matthewdaley746 22 дня назад

@toddhawley2226 Seriously, doomed, enterprise, totally-absolutely.

@CTubeMan 22 дня назад

Reggie Bush lost his footing in what I recall was the bare concrete around the perimeter of the playing field.

@mgb4692 21 день назад

@@CTubeMan Was the same year that the turf caught on fire during pregame intros

@Bruce12867 23 дня назад

You missed one obvious point to all this: The Cardinals finished 62-81 in 1995, fourth place in the NL Central, 22.5 games behind the first-place Reds, which rendered the World Series argument irrelevant.

@matthewdaley746 23 дня назад

The Cardinals blew their last two chances at becoming a, Dynasty, their first was in the 1980s, when they dumped Keith Hernandez for moralistic reasons, (ironically, going to another underachieving team), and, their second was when they let Albert Pujols go by being cheap.

@emoo.182 22 дня назад

@@matthewdaley746 In the 80's Cards defense if replay existed back then they would've won 82 world series. Literally one of the worst safe calls of all time

@matthewdaley746 22 дня назад

@emoo.182 You can't just blame bad officiating, the Cardinals should have shaken off the whole situation, they decided to, Throw In, The, Psychological Towel, instead, and, they didn't bother to show up for, Game Seven, you, absolutely, positively, can't blame that on horrible calls, period, really bad.

@emoo.182 22 дня назад

@@matthewdaley746 yes you can when it's literally the last out in game 6 if ump would've gotten the correct call they would've won the world series. It was literally the last out man

@matthewdaley746 22 дня назад

@@emoo.182It was actually the first out of the inning, and, adding insult to injury, Jorge Orta, wound up making the only out of the inning, anyway, and, all of my other points still stand, when a team quits mentally, it's over, period.

@malus1426 20 дней назад

They aren't actually building the stadium. It's the contractors. As for the world series analogy. Well one could argue and say it's their fault for playing in the same stadium as a baseball team and it's not the other teams problem.

@RealisticFisHed 21 день назад

One of my teachers in high school had a poster that said, "Lack of preparation on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part." Needless to say I've used that line myself a couple times since then lol

@malus1426 20 дней назад

In what situations, because my problem with the saying is it shows lack of empathy and makes it seems like the person saying it has never made a mistake in their life and are perfect. Anyway the video didn't make sense to me using that saying because it's not like the players, coaches and staff were building the stadium. The Dome was built by Contractors and The Dome is owned by a government agency. The Rams had no control over any of that.

@malus1426 20 дней назад

Funny thing is in the example he used with the airline not scheduling enough crew, it does become your problem for their mistake. They cancel flights due to crew availability. If they can't rebook you to get you where you needed to go at the time it's a you problem not theirs. So that saying isn't always accurate.

@RetroJR3379 23 дня назад

That would've been perfect either for Sunday Night or 4pm Game of The Week. Instead the Rams first game at TWA vs Panthers was seen by 25 persons

@matthewdaley746 23 дня назад

Pittsburgh proved that to keep sports teams, you not only need to be good, you need to be, Dynastic, Oakland proved that you can be, Dynastic, in multiple sports, and, unfortunately, it really doesn't matter, anyway.

@davidalexander8996 22 дня назад

The win over Carolina in the dome's first game was also the only St. Louis Rams game for Jackie Slater in his final season as the Rams Hall of Fame offensive lineman. His son Matthew should earn serious Hall of Fame consideration for his special teams play with the Patriots. The junior Slater was instrumental in the "second" Patriots dynasty of the '10s and hopefully is willing to share one of his rings with his father who never got lucky once in that regard. Ironically the Patriots last title came at the expense of the senior Slater's former team!

@matthewdaley746 22 дня назад

I actually think, Bill Belichick, Tom Brady, Bob Kraft, Adam Vinatieri, Rob Gronkowski, Devin McCourty, and, Joe Thuney, are, (probably), the only members of the Patriots', Dynasty, that get enshrined, besides, the fact that, STs, players rarely get in, anyway, I think there's an institutional revulsion of their whole, Dynasty.

@emoo.182 22 дня назад

I'm sorry I love the Slaters but thats non sense when TORRY HOLT isnt even in the HOF..

@matthewdaley746 22 дня назад

@@emoo.182Hines Ward additionally, bizarre-unfortunate.

@mgb4692 22 дня назад

This game couldn't even have been saved if Kevin Harlan (was doing Lions/Redskins with Jerry Glanville) cut in on Summerall/Madden to call both games. Fact the most interesting things here were that Pete Carroll was the Niners' DC and Grandpa McVay was working for them as an advisor.

@thetempest33ify 5 дней назад

Looking slimmer! Keep it up

@OfficialJaguarGator9 5 дней назад

Thanks!

@lesliebell4189 23 дня назад

17:38 Which is worse than if you did nothing but spike the ball into the ground on every single play.

@Matthew6248 23 дня назад

Weird seeing a NFL game on a artificial turf stadium with very visible baseball sliding pits. Once the Rams were done using Busch stadium, the Cardinals ripped off the fake carpet and replaced it with Natural Grass

@raidger4 23 дня назад

I remember they tried putting the turf covers over the pits, but there was an issue with them so they went without them.

@architect011_3 23 дня назад

Many times team request scheduling (for example the Jaguars do not want to be home during Florida/Georgia week)

@mgb4692 22 дня назад

East Coast teams also request back-to-back western games often. Giants @ Cardinals and 49ers in weeks 2 and TNF 3 last year

@randytracy1742 23 дня назад

Jg9 -you can be witty at times-you ended the video with a reference to the movie 🍿 meet me in st.Louis-which starred Judy garland in 1944! 😂😂😂😂🎉😊😊😊😊😊

@riceymartin2203 23 дня назад

I like the ending line of the videos

@matthewdaley746 23 дня назад

That film was also the introduction for the song, "Have Yourself, A, Merry Little, Christmas," which many people don't know has a truly depressing meaning behind it, despite, largely being thought of completely, otherwise.

@matthewdaley746 23 дня назад

@@riceymartin2203Not his puns, unfortunately.

@malus1426 20 дней назад

12:43 but the problem with that saying is if I have something you need, in this example an airplane, then it is your problem.

@678rwhp 22 дня назад

I don't really buy your control argument. There is nothing forcing teams to share a stadium. The fact that they do share is within their control.

@malus1426 20 дней назад

I made the same point. A lot of his analogies didn't gel to me.

@malus1426 20 дней назад

You're opening analogies don't compare to this. First it's not like the team is the one who sets up the stadium. It's typically the company or government agency that runs the stadium that does all that.

@RurbanWalker 22 дня назад

"....worse than if he did nothing but spike the ball into the ground on every single play". Is this a catch phrase that appears in every one of your videos, or only 98% of them?

@CTubeMan 22 дня назад

Just 39.6%.

@WVUer21 23 дня назад

The Seattle Kraken did petitioned the NHL, and played ten or eleven games on the road to start their franchise.

@throwawayemail-un4xr 22 дня назад

@@matthewdaley746 you are speaking of 2007, the mariners had 2 days off the whole month: 16th, 6th, & 7th, and were 73-53 at on point that month, but lost 9 straight and finished 88-74, 6 games out of a playoff spot.

@allthingssports4957 22 дня назад

Can you make a dumb decisions video on JG7 about Cubs 3rd base coach Willie Harris sending Nick Madrigal home with 1 out on a base hit when if Harris would have given Madrigal the stop sign, the Cubs would have runners on 2nd and 3rd with 1 out down by 1. The even worse part about this is that the play at the plate wasn’t even close and Madrigal was tagged out easily. Another awful part about this is that Bellinger flied out to end the game. If Harris keeps Madrigal at 3rd and Bellinger hits that exact same fly ball,Madrigal tags up and scores to tie the game. Then the Cubs would have a runner on 2nd, and a base hit likely ends the game. The person you would have trusted to walk it off was Christopher Morel. Morel already had a walk off hit in May against a division rival. I’m a Cubs fan myself, and this probably cost us the game.

@RetroJR3379 23 дня назад

After that blowout everything went back to normal. 49ers dominate the NFC West and the Rams back to mediocre

@matthewdaley746 23 дня назад

The 49ers continued to dominate the Cowboys, unfortunately, they didn't count on the Packers taking their place, even when they were given a, (nonsensical), win, they had run out of time, meanwhile, the Rams would later go to four SBs, winning two.

@RetroJR3379 22 дня назад

49ers and Falcons did it twice. 1987 when the Giants are in NLCS & 1991 when the Braves went to NLCS

@matthewdaley746 22 дня назад

The, Twins', Mini-Dynasty, bookended, a notoriously underachieving, "juggernaut," and, adding insult to injury, this was followed by another, Mini-Dynasty, in, Toronto, so, awful, period.

@KWCline91 22 дня назад

@@matthewdaley746To be fair, Toronto was denied the opportunity to fully elevate their dynasty in 1994 when MLB ended their season on strike.

@matthewdaley746 22 дня назад

@KWCline91 Toronto, wasn't going to, three-peat, anyway, the Canadian economy essentially acted as a salary cap, and, their closer, Duane Ward, destroyed his arm, there are only two types of teams that, three-peat, teams that win by attrition, like the 1990s Yankees, or, teams that basically catch every break in multiple years, like, the, 1972-1974, Oakland Athletics, baseball's randomness is by far the greatest of the four major sports, and, the players chose to strike, never, ever, forget that critical fact.

@DolFan316 23 дня назад

15:51 The Rams actually did play 3 straight road games that same season, including consecutive games at the 49ers and Jets on opposite coasts. Just sayin'.

@matthewdaley746 23 дня назад

To be fair, when the schedule was written, they had no idea they were going to be stuck, literally, in the middle of the country, it was just another element that made the whole thing progressively worse, what a disaster.

@barbaracaroll 23 дня назад

The Rams whole st Louis time is weird to me they were hardly ever good and the dome was pretty bad itself

@footwork216 23 дня назад

I went to a few Rams games in STL during the "GSOT" era and the atmosphere in the dome was electric, but like with a lot of bad teams the fan support disappears when the quality of play goes down, or in the Rams case, way down, like "Keith Null as your starting QB" down.

@matthewdaley746 23 дня назад

This whole, "St., Louis, is a great town for sports," nonsense, is a complete myth, they only love the Cardinals, period, football failed multiple times, basketball failed multiple times, as well, (despite, an, NBA, Championship), the Browns would move, and, there's zero doubt that the Blues are only still around because they won the, 2019, Cup.

@matthewdaley746 23 дня назад

@footwork216 Losing SB 36, meant, that the Rams were history, it was only a question of when, the Patriots are, "Too Big To Fail," but, even during the, Dynasty, fans often left in droves during blowouts, despite, strict, no, re-entry, policies.

@jeffanderson3962 23 дня назад

@@matthewdaley746as evidenced by the 50 years the Blues were there and getting fan support before winning the cup.

@matthewdaley746 23 дня назад

@jeffanderson3962 It's complicated, they were also where teams looking to build, Champions, and/or, Dynasties, would trade their trusty, "Bag, Of, Pucks," to acquire, "The, Final, Piece," and, unfortunately, nobody, knew/cared, that they're, repeatedly, totally, fleeced, because of a, deceptively-long, Playoff Streak, during which they won, zero, Cups, zero, Conference Championships, and, reached the, Conference Final, exactly, twice, (1986, 2001), blame the diluted, Playoff Format, the Flames missed Brett Hull's entire prime, only winning the, 1989, Cup, because the Oilers collapsed, and, the Blues were never good enough with him, proving there can be a trade, neither, side wins, despite, a Championship, the Flames didn't win another, Playoff Series, for fifteen years.

@matthewrosenthal753 22 дня назад

OJG, your argument that this “was entirely within the Rams control” is frankly wrong. Construction delays can be sudden and unplanned for. Also the Rams were not actually building the stadium, a construction company was, also you have inspections, and fixes, and other things that need to be taken care of to get a certificate of occupancy. None of which is in your or in this case the Rams control. Does that mean the niners had to agree to swap the dates, no. But had they chosen to no one was being screwed over at all. As for tickets you tell the fans that already have tickets on the original date your tickets are good on the new date. This is and was a none story.

@malus1426 20 дней назад

I said the same thing. It's like he thinks the players, coaches and staff for the rams are building the dome..his analogies really didn't make sense to me. Even the airline not scheduling enough crew. The fact is even if it is their fault, you need THEIR plane so their lack of scheduling does become your problem.

@emoo.182 22 дня назад

Ya'll can take away the rams from st louis but you can never take away our Superbowl and the greatest show on turf..They will always be the St Louis Rams..gateway to the west, is now the gateway to the best football team in the world!

@matthewdaley746 22 дня назад

They had to go back west to finally beat Tom Brady, though, that's, seriously, a sore spot, and, that's after they'd lost another SB to him, terribly rough, it is.

@malus1426 20 дней назад

They went back to the place they were stolen from.

@matthewdaley746 19 дней назад

@malus1426 A precisely logical, development-course.

@DolFan316 23 дня назад

0:13 I've always heard this told to me as "failing to plan is planning to fail" but the effect is the same. Also, modern society now emphasizes and celebrates screwing others over for one's own mistakes, to the point where actually taking accountability seems to be on the ever-growing list of things we're now forbidden to do.

@matthewdaley746 23 дня назад

Preventing, costly-litigation's, likely, responsible-unanimous.

@malus1426 20 дней назад

but the entire premise of this video is flawed. The examples he used in the beginning of the video don't make sense when compared to the story. He makes it sound like the players, coaches and staff were building the dome themselves. The Rams football team had absolutely no control over construction. It was a contractor who built the stadium and it's A government agency that owns and operates it.

@matthewdaley746 19 дней назад

@malus1426 Logic's not constantly, present-ugliness.