The Forgotten Failure of Extreme Ghostbusters 

That's awesome!!!

Awe the good old days...lol 😆

Oh man! Talk about a lucky kid, I wrote in to Mattel once, they sent me some stickers and a $1.00 off coupon for my next Motu figure. I guess that was alright 😂

Dude, cool!

Trendmaster put out so much awesome stuff in a short amount of time. We sure could use some of their design innovation today.

Lol, despite the shitty time slot switching, me & my lil bro & mom all still managed to catch Extreme Ghostbusters. Looking at this video, I'm mad at myself for not being more into it, at the time. This is a highly underrated series & a perfect sequel to the Real Ghostbusters.

In my area, it came on after school with all the afternoon cartoons, consistently, for awhile. Maybe those were reruns. I feel lucky. Of course it was on an unusual but public station that I stumbled across.

Great work on the show! Loved the darker, more angular approach to things. Was nice to see a creepy, more gritty approach to Ghostbusters

@@Panzer_the_Merganser thank you for watching!!!

@@tnperkins4art Absolutely! Was lucky enough to catch the show in its original run, and it’s stuck with me since. 👻

​​@@Panzer_the_Mergansershame only the first 13 episodes were put out on Dvd

@@markpugh6808 Oh damn, I didn’t realize that. Would have been great to have the entire run.

The other thing that really hurt it was it was just one in a sea of similar "extreme makeover" shows that all sort of looked the same and blended together for kids of the time. There was a significant amount of burnout and fatigue for the style and most kids simply rejected many of the shows out of hand that adopted it.

It was extreme, extremely slow paced and written ok at best. Every ghost took Garrett's wheels off his chair, their ecto was so boring and square. Exterior roll bars is not extreme or it wee wee siren.

Extreme Ghostbusters is what 'Answer The Call' should've or could've been.

@@luvaboy772 Oh absolutely. So many people were saying that in 2016 that it actually got me to find the series online and I joined in with everyone saying that.

If it had been made today, people would be complaining about how "woke" it is...

I didn't know about it but also would have passed because of "Extreme" had I known.

I grew up with the og Real Ghostbusters, and did the same. Also thought initially the art looked a bit samey to a lot of the other animation of the time, and yeah... it was, once I watched it it did fit the tone of the show. and once I realized it actually was a true sequal, and honestly a good one too, I watched the whole series and felt sad there wasn't more. The 2009 Videogame, and the IDW books have been pretty equally my favorite 'sequels, but this ones a close second to those

I did the same with Firefly. Never gave it a chance then was gifted the box set and got angry about missing it the first run for dumb reasons

This was me as well, I was getting closer to middle school age and I could tell when I was being aggressively marketed to, anything with the word Extreme made me instinctively turn my nose up. But I watched the pilot a year ago and enjoyed it. This channel will probably get around to GI Joe Extreme and Extreme Dinosaurs one day, lol.

Don’t feel bad. So much stuff was “extreme” that it was easy to pass it up.

Had a real Mike Mignola esque style

art style was awful and butt fugly

@@Necrowolf81 it was a trend back then; Men in Black had the same art style. I think it suited the series tone really well though.

That episode in particular left an impact on me as well. Its what solidified my interest in the show.

Also werent there like killer clown types

IDW lost the comic rights. I think Dark Horse has them now. Really hope Dark Horse will reprint the IDW stuff.

@@dylanlewis5113 The rights could also be in limbo, so to speak. Sony / Columbia were the rights holders I think for Afterlife, maybe they have a publisher they want more the comics and are fighting / negotiating with Dark Horse for the rights? It's hard to guess without know more about the situation.

@@DuraikenGatewae The licensing agreement between Sony Pictures and IDW comics expired just prior to the start of filming on Ghostbusters: Afterlife. Dark Horse now has the rights, and they are making a new series set in between Afterlife and Ghostbusters: Frozen Empire. Although given the popularity of the IDW series it would not surprise me if Dark Horse was to reprint them. During IDW's ownership, they reprinted all of the first volume of NOW comics Real Ghostbusters series from the late 1980's and early 1990's.

I was going to post a link but it looks like it got scrubbed.

Yeah, this review has me convinced to go track down a few episodes! 😄

@@Three_Tiny_Robots there are quite a few on the ghostbusters YT channel

To be fair the one bit of change that was added (probably because of a meddling executive) kind of kneecapped the series.

Hello, I'm the "ackchyually" guy that appears for a frame in the video, and I have to say I agree with almost everything you say, but this: "But people do tend to fear change". That's not actually a real reason, that's a fallacy, a buzzword people love to abuse to justify failure. People are not afraid of change, but people do tend to respect [a lot] originality and legacy, is innate to us to do so. That's why originals in pop-culture are usually regarded as better than all its sequels and derivative media, 'cause those originals were the ones that inspired and surprised everyone, those are the ones that put something new on the table, something innovative, and hence gathered attention from the public. All those sequels and derivative media, even if well done, almost always end up being more like a repeated punch-line, and it can be a good joke, even better executed than the original in some ways! But is a trick that has been seen before by the vast majority, know what I'm saying? The awe inspiring feeling of the original is almost certainly lost. The result? The vast majority of the audience is simply not interested, and fear has nothing to do with it. For a new media of whatever franchise to beat the original, it needs to add to the very thing that made the original so innovative to begin with, like Alien vs Aliens, or Terminator vs Judgement Day. Those added to the original concept material and made it better. Adding "every day drama to connect with modern audiences" [so to speak] to a show which original intention was never about "every day drama to connect with audiences" will never be a good idea, that would only work if that was the actual original concept.

The biggest problem probably was that back in the saddle should have been the first 2 episodes.

remember when G.I. Joe also went extreme.

@@nemopouncey3827 Haa! Ya, i had one of those color change in cold water GI Joes with a bright red suit and this yellow pack that held water for the "squirt shooting action". Think i got that shortly before i got the Guile Street Fighter\GI Joe Battle Tank, i still have the tank but idk where Guile went. 😄👍

Back in saddle. For sure!

90s we’re full of hot goth girl cartoons. Still influencing to this day

@@DefaultProphet As someone who grew up in the 90s, that's definitely why I've been attracted to goth girls since my teen years.

I think that was many, myself included, fave ep

Mine too.

being a kid? that's no excuse. My cousin watched the first one around the age of 5 or 6 and loved it.

I was going to post my opinion, but you pretty much verbatim said exactly what I would have.

what was with everything going extreme? even g.i. joe went extreme.

who you gonna call?

@@nemopouncey3827 Simple... it waa the late 90's bruh!

Honestly, I can. Bcz I've already had this thing where I would occasionally hear myself say how I like Filmation's Ghostbusters, but I love DiC's The Real Ghostbusters, better! And having never seen this particular Real Ghostbusters spin-off series, (yet), but it all depends on the memories I had with any of these series growing up. And the sad reality is that I haven't taken advantage of Extreme Ghostbusters like I have with the other Ghostbusters-related series. Though, I sincerely hope to change all that come later this fall... just in time for its 25th anniversary! Just eternally grateful that all my favorite Ghostbusters characters (Ego, Janine and Slimer) all made it to the spin-off series. What are the odds?

none of those top the creepiness of the Boogeyman. that voice .......

All excellent series. There was a reason I kept watching these action cartoons despite aging out of the target demographic

They made a cartoon series that basically salvaged a terrible movie with Godzilla, proving that the reason why that film was a failure was because of the (for lack of a better word) "talent" behind it. They used the same concepts and made an amazing series. Same deal with Men in Black. Great first movie, they blew it with every one of the sequels. They had a better pulse on those franchises than the movie makers themselves.

You’re forgetting Rusty and Big Guy and eventually GI Joe Renegades and Transformers Prime

You’re right, I didn’t think about those, and they’re among my favorites too!

Mib and Godzilla had great openings

Love that great show

Big guy and Rusty 🥰🥰🥰

I agree as well, when we watched these shows as kids, we didn't care if the character was black or in a wheel chair or was a girl. As long as it was a fun story and kept us entertained. The reason people don't like shows today is because they race/gender-swap established characters instead of making up new and interesting ones and then make them all gay. Then they attack the fans by calling them racists and saying "if you don't like it, don't watch it" and "it's not made for you" (which is a bullshit argument). And when the people don't watch it, they're called racists again after being told not to watch it.

The time-slot for me was a bonus, because it didn't have to compete with the big heavy hitters of the time for my attention. If it had aired at the same time as say, Spiderman, or idunno, like, Beatleborgs, I probably would've ignored it. People forget that there was a lot of competition at those timeslots back then.

scheduling was one of the reasons the early 2000s heman got canceled. The day and time would change almost every week. Never knew when it was going to be on. I think ExGB would have done better with a more similar animation style to RGB.

@@drgribb Yeah, but where I was this came on like later on Sunday mornings, but only sometimes. If it had been consistent that might have been good, but half th etime it jsut wasn't on.

@@cujoedaman It's such a fine line. Diversity is great, but when they wedge it in so hard that it seems forced, it can be a turn-off. The trick with making new characters in a franchise is to build them up on their own merits, not try to tear down what came before to make the new one look cooker. Extreme GB didn't do that - see "Back In the Saddle." When the OG GB's show up, they are the coolest. The kids are a bit rankled at first when the OGs show 'em up, but then Peter, Ray, & Winston do start to feel their age too. It's all so respectful though, and is exactly how suff like this should be done!

As an autistic person, it should only be heroic if their disability isn’t their superpower and also inspiration porn is another form of harmful representation also used in tv and film. Also another thing is that Dan was autistic himself too! Idk if his character Ray was though…

The problem with bran is his story was weak and he wasnt even really human any more. I dont think his disability has much to do with it.

@@jamespaul6315 In what way was his story weak? He literally became the bastion for all human knowledge after having to go through hell and back. And ya, how awful it would be to have a leader who knows literally all information and can make decisions without being emotionally manipulated like every single other character. Jon would be a horrid leader, so would Sansa, and Arya.

Bran wasn't a really character by the end of the show, he was just a plot device. He basically jettisonned anything likeable or relateable about him and stopped being human once he became the 3 eyed raven. His storyline with Meera was probably what little he had going on, and it was cut as soon as he got back to the regular world. He cast her aside like a piece of trash supposedly for her own good but just comes off really crappy especially after she sacrificed so much for him including her own brother. Everyone that contributed to Bran reaching his end point was cast way side like Hodor and Summer. He's a hollowed out husk on multiple levels as it was questionable if Bran even existed at all as his body seeemed high jacked by something else and the original character was gone. At the end he did nothing but get trotted out to exposition dump and had the charisma of a cardboard box. Like if they picked a sentient toaster to be King of Westeros, actually that might been a better received choice than Bran for most people as he has nothing going for him to like. He easily one of the least likeable characters on the show, especially at the end. His storyline was on the back burner for large chunks of the show making it feel like the filler side story no wanted to see while better things were happening. It was left out Season 4 altogether and brought back in season 5. Everything about was slow moving and milked to a final conclusion everyone knew was coming by the time the shoe finnally dropped.... Jon Snow is the son of Lyanna and Rhaegar.(Which the show does nothing particularly interesting with once revealed after such massive build up.) Most fans care very little about Bran for that reason. It didn't help the last season was super rushed and didn't build up any of it's conclusions as Danny just goes from a sane person caring person to mad queen instantly making Anakin Skywalkers prequel falldown seem nuauced by comparison. You'd swear the studio was on fire as they filmed it for how fast they were trying wrap everything up. None of this helped out Bran or made the ending satisfying for fans. There's plenty of solid reasons to dislike everything about the final seasons of Game of Thrones. It has nothing do with Bran being in disabled. There's so many much better reasons to hate the way the show ended besides that aspect of it. I love Professor X and find him quite relateable regardless of being disabled..especially in the first class version where he's got so much responsiblity thrust upon him as we see him growing into the leader we know and love through his struggles. Seeing him break and struggle in Days of Future past and then go through the pep talk with his future self is a powerful scene. When Magneto calls him out like where were you, Charles? You were supposed to protect us, he has to come to terms with he absolutely failed as leader. He still has to get back on his horse and help as that's what being a hero is about. Most people can get his struggle and it transcends him being disabled. It's all very relateable. He's an actual likeable character also helps alot. Bran was not at the end of his story. Tyrion gives a silly speech about stories after pushing around chairs..Bam! Bran is king and everyone is like sure whatever. Sansa is Queen of the north so she doesn't give a crap. Not like Bran threw his hat in the ring or took any agency toward him to getting the job. He just waited till all the other people who could gotten the job died, doesn't want the job, or were removed in the running in someway. He basically is a parasite who worms his way to the top sacrificing countless others and succeeded while Little Finger failed to do the same. There's nothing building to this moment so there's no real payoff beyond the show is finally over. There's little fanfare in the show as no one cares about Bran even there. How do you expect people embrace a character that the show itself never does?

@@jamespaul6315 I fully agree. Bran was always treated as B or C plot to the mainstory and him being made king was just anticlimatic. Like if the winner of the world series got picked because everyone else in the MLB died of covid. Yay you win because everyone else is dead and you did nothing to deserve or earn this victory! No one would cheer for that. That's basically Bran in a nutshell. What's to like about him?

@@drgribb I'm not saying you can't enjoy it. People have different tastes. Why do you think I'm not open minded? That was the problem with the 2016 Ghostbusters. It was incredibly hamfisted. Moreover, it was the main, if not only, selling point. Rather than talk about the movie in terms of story or acting, everything was about how important it was to have an all-female cast. Beyond that, it was promoted as better because it was all female, and that audiences had to like it, or else be denounced as misogynists. It was promoting an agenda. Ghostbusters was originally created by people who put hard work, creativity, and passion into it. It succeeded and became a beloved franchise because of they created something people enjoyed. Feige, and the rest of 2016's creators, appropriated the hard work of those who came before them, and used it for their own agenda. The Aliens and Terminator franchise have long had female centered stories. No one complained about them. There wasn't any backlash against Wonder Woman. Those were all original stories. It would be as if a Mulan sequel/reboot was made where the main character was played by Bruce Willis, and the studio promoted it as a better movie with Willis in the lead role, and if you don't like it, you're a horrible bigot.

Both are true. Some people use it as a shield, but their legitimately are people that just call any show/movie ,"woke" that strays from what they want which seems to be just white people in starring roles and mentioning anything considered politically left. When it wouldn't be left leaning anywhere BUT in America.

@@Shrapnel82 Agreed. 2016 sacrificed the writing in order to promote "Hey, all women ghostbusters." If your sticking point is about the diversity of the cast instead of making a movie everybody enjoys because it's a good story, it will show. When people called out how bad it was, the accusations started flying. There are plenty of videos out there that compare the two that expose the very real flaws in the '16 movie, but for some people, the all-female team "existing" makes it the better film.

They basically made a scene for scene worse version of the original film in the 2016. it failed for that and the cast attacked the fans for not liking it. The how thing was a clusterfudge of bad ideas and bad execution. Red Letter media really does a great job of breaking down why it fails as hard as it does. It's one Ghostbusters movie I will never bother owning.

@@Shrapnel82 the hate came early on long before it was released. That should tell you something.

Never made tenure, I guess, and figured he'd rather focus on teaching and didn't enjoy the "publish or perish" environment of a big R1 university. Perhaps he also had some difficulty securing research funding. Idk, I don't think it's quite the academic disgrace that you make it out to be. It should be totally acceptable to make that kind of switch imho.

God I would love an extreme Ghostbusters movie. Definitely would be difficult to do with Harold ramis having passed away though

An Extreme Ghostbusters movie 1:1 would probably be pretty scary given how messed up certain episodes were. Like just doing something like the Chinese Bone Thief episode or even something relatively benign like the "wishing we'll" episode would be fairly chilling given the bride with no skin.

if it ever a moive the first two episodes would be it

A lot of people - myself included - kept bringing up Extreme Ghostbusters during the 2016 reboot debacle as an example of how to do a "diverse" Ghostbusters reboot the right way. The team leader was a genuinely strong woman, the smart guy was black, the slacker was Latino and the muscle was a white guy in a wheelchair, it hit almost all of the so-called "woke" diversity checkboxes, and was still a worthy successor to The Real Ghostbusters. Why they didn't listen to the fans and do that instead of Bridesmaids with proton packs I will never, ever understand.

@@Dargonhuman i know right also the one with the kids, ar e like the jr ghostbusters from the tv show, and moreof a coming of age story, i know peoplle liked it but i was like Extreme did it beter

The original plan that Aykroyd's first draft of the script.

it was good to see the o.g. one's on the series.

@@nemopouncey3827 Back in The Saddle were Fantastic Episodes to bring the team's together

@@gabrielzepeda6725 hope he talks about G.I. Joe extreme next.

@@nemopouncey3827 I would love to see that, and have him talk about those live action intros for that show.

same. I saw magazine ads (remember those?) but it was never on round here.

According to Radio Discussions, these are the markets that aired Extreme Ghostbusters: WBB in Bluefield/Beckley/Oak Hill, WV+ WSBK 38 in Boston, MA WNGS 67 in Buffalo, NY WFVT 55 in Charlotte, NC WFLI 53 in Chattanooga, TN WCIU 26 in Chicago, IL WBQC 25 in Cincinnati, OH WVWB in Clarkburg/Weston, WV+ WBNX 55 in Cleveland/Akron, OH WWHO 53 in Columbus, OH KTXA 21 in Dallas/Fort Worth, TX* WDRL 24 in Danville (Roanoke/Lynchburg), VA WDWB 20 in Detroit, MI KEVU 34 in Eugene, OR KZWB in Eugene, OR+* WLYH 15 in Harrisburg/Lancaster/Lebanon/York, PA KTXH 20 in Houston, TX* WTTV 4 in Indianapolis, IN WWWB 32 in Lakeland (Tampa/St. Petersburg), FL KCOP 13 in Los Angeles, CA WBFS 33 in Miami, FL WBNE 59 in New Haven (Hartford), CT WWOR 9 in New York City, NY KOCB 34 in Oklahoma City, OK WBPC in Panama City, FL+ WBPB in Parkersburg/Marietta, WV+ WGTW 48 in Philadelphia, PA* KUTP 45 in Phoenix, AZ KWBP 32 in Portland, OR* KTXL 40 in Sacramento, CA XETV 6 in San Diego, CA KBHK 44 in San Francisco, CA KSTW 11 in Seattle/Tacoma, WA KONG 16 in Seattle/Tacoma, WA* WUPL 54 in Slidell (New Orleans), LA KSKN 22 in Spokane, WA WNGT 48 in Toledo, OH WDCA 20 in Washington, DC WTVX 34 in West Palm Beach, FL ---- + Cable-only affiliate of The WB 100+ Station Group * Ran the show during the 1999-2000 season

The video game was the 3rd movie and Afterlife is #4 and the new one is really an Extreme #1,

Mmmmm No. Nowhere did Jason Reitman or Gil kenan ever credit ex gb for any ideas for GB Afterlife. Afterlife picks up After GHOSTBUSTERS 2. 1997 isn't Canon.

@@vitoguttilla2926 I don’t think any of the 2 animated gb series are cannon though, so it makes me wonder if they will do the same for this new Netflix series too🤔

Obviously the Audience grew tired of it, and the ratings didn't warrant further seasons.

The wonders of a K.B. Toys. 👍😀

Pfffft. GB AFTERLIFE isn't a reboot. It's a CONTINUATION From GHOSTBUSTERS 2. And by December 2023 there's GONNA be a GHOSTBUSTERS 4.

@@vitoguttilla2926 Geardog wasn’t talking about Ghostbusters Afterlife. Everyone knows that’s a continuation of the original two movies. Geardog was talking about Ghostbusters 2016, you know, the actual movie that was meant to be a reboot of the series. He’s saying it was too bad that Extreme Ghostbusters got glossed over by Ghostbusters 2016.

What we want is for what came before to be respected. If they want to move on and do a reboot that fine, but dont crap on what came before if want to bring back the old Fans. I was okay with the idea of 2016 GB until they started attacking what came before and the old Fans. You would think they would have learned by now since this has never once worked out for them.

@@nobalkain624 That's why Afterlife worked so well. The og Ghostbusters show up for like 5 minutes max.

I remember when it was airing, but never got into it... the characters seemed so unappealing. One was in a wheelchair, making me feel sad for him, another (the 'slacker') looked like a school bully - and I don't think I even registered Kylie as being a girl! However, I still think Ghostbusters is an interesting franchise, and hope to watch the Extreme episodes too, at some point.

Its almost like Diversity existed before all these people started crying about it on Twitter and forcing it into everything, even if it doesnt help tell the Story. When done right you dont even notice, its just part of the Story.

That's what I said elsewhere. The politics didn't exceed the story.

And how the show writers respected the legacy characters. The two parts special episodes is an excellent example how old and new characters interact with each other.

How so

@@user-vi4xy1jw7e did you not watch the video. He explained it and if you don't see how shit most of today's stuff is then I can't help you buddy