The Forgotten Number System - Numberphile

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@numberphile 3 года назад

Sorry for the re-upload - was fixing a mistake... Alex's books can be found at: amzn.to/3oU0wjT

@herbalgiles9468 3 года назад

watching this a second time 😎

@eric.is.online 3 года назад

@@srivatsav9817 All of which are American dreams?

@tushitchatterjee8383 3 года назад

Numberphile videos are always great 😍😍😍😍😍... Going from simple axioms to huge mathematics proofs👍👍👍

@deadwolf2978 3 года назад

so what about number system used in Sumeria and Babylon? i ve heard its based on 12 digits, same number as number of phalanxes on human fingers.

@volodyadykun6490 3 года назад

@@srivatsav9817 you don't need to spam. Also it's quite known fact

@esotericVideos 3 года назад

"I called up the monks and asked if they still practiced their vow of silence and they said..." *Long Pause* "No" Legitimately got a laugh out of me.

@Varksterable 3 года назад

The only alternative I can think of to that joke would be a long pause followed by at least 5 minutes of nonstop fast verbal discourse about the entire history of the number system up to the current day. That would have been amusing too. But yeah; I did chuckle at their version too.

@zym6687 3 года назад

Not really much of a surprise since it's a given that anyone answering a telephone call isn't taking a vow of silence. Or else why would you bother.

@dandanthedandan7558 3 года назад

@@zym6687 Could be part of the joke, you can't tell until the punchline is given

@Jefbracke 3 года назад

I lol'ed so hard i chuckled.

@Varksterable 3 года назад

@@Jefbracke That doesn't even make any sense. Even if it meant as a joke. Unless it was a slightly surreal or strange one. So let me ask; does your giraffe wear a top hat while eating hypothetical penguin's boots?

@22yhjjjj 3 года назад

*furiously taking notes for a D&D campaign*

@aidanwarren4980 3 года назад

Same! Definitely incorporating this into some kind of Thieve’s Cant

@joshgooding3273 3 года назад

SAME

@andreaspihl7297 3 года назад

i thought the exactly same thing, but I created my own probably easier system, 1,2,3 and 4 are the same, but 5 gets 6's symbol. from there you just add. 6=5+1, 7=5+2 and so on. i showed the monks system and then my new system, to some people who didn't know about this, and they preferred my system more. i first tried making 3= 1+2. but it got weird and difficult to draw with the higher numbers.

@gabbo396 3 года назад

Ahahahahah me too! I'm planning a puzzle based campaign and this falls perfectly!

@Codricmon 3 года назад

That was one of my first thoughts, and I'm surprised (and delighted) how many other people share this intent.

@rolfs2165 3 года назад

One big advantage that number system has: all numbers take up the same amount of space, no matter how big or small. Which is really neat, especially for stuff like page numbers.

@DvDick 3 года назад

I wonder if it would be possible to invent a number system like this that is also easy to use for calculations

@Varksterable 3 года назад

@@DvDick I strongly suspect it could be. In fact, with the right rules and learning, even this system should be. After all, it's just a positional number system represented differently. There is little 'logic' in the fact that the symbols '11+37' become '48' or that '5×7' becomes '35'; it's only that we understand the symbols well enough and how to manipulate them. I'm sure there are plenty of computer geeks who can manipulate binary or hex without 'translating them back' into decimal to do the calculations. Certainly computers themselves do; they _have_ to. Maybe some things (anything to do with decimals, or powers etc.) could become hard. But I don't think it would be impossible to tweak the system so it was possible. But I may be completely wrong. I have a maths degree; so I've not used 'numbers' for decades. (Apart from Sudoku, where they are totally irrelevant.) 😉

@Zeru64_ 3 года назад

@@Varksterable Basic binary calculations are pretty easy. In fact, most addition/substractions doesn't even need to be "calculated", just pay attention to what digits to "flip" and there you are, without even knowing what the actual answer is 😅

@Varksterable 3 года назад

@@Zeru64_ Exactly. As it is with this system. As it is with decimal. Just move the digits along as you add up pairs and carry anything left over into the next column. But what about other calculations? Calculate (4.67^5.2)/(ln(49)×67) but all in binary. Not quite so easy, is it? I'm sure I couldn't to that precisely in decimal either. But I could at least have a try at approximating it. In binary? No chance. And you say you wouldn't even know what the answer was? Then is that really 'solving' the calculation? To end up with a meaningless answer isn't really much use. It's like saying what is 38*41+76? Answer: "some number." But my point is that this isn't a flaw in the symbolic representation. It's just that I've spent 40+ years using decimals and understanding how to manipulate them.

@JNCressey 3 года назад

regular numbers left-padded with 0s to 4 digits would all take the same amount of space as each other also.

@mismotysprodukcja 3 года назад

2020 looking like flipped table is pretty symbolic

@rolfs2165 3 года назад

Seems appropriate.

@TheDylandProductions 3 года назад

Matthew 21:12 rofl

@chasemolenaar2161 3 года назад

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

@dogliker23 3 года назад

@@chasemolenaar2161 YES!

@ColinPaddock 3 года назад

You also want to be careful writing out 1887.

@BenFromOhio 3 года назад

"It was a secret number system, and it didn't really catch on..." I think maybe "catching on" would have defeated the whole purpose behind its "secrecy" :)

@Egilhelmson 3 года назад

All writing started as secret systems. There were only a few writers of Minoan Linear B alive at any given time, for instance, determined from subtle variations in writing style.

@AAaa-pm3rr 3 года назад

@@Egilhelmson Not really. Some writing started simply as a way to keep track of supplies.

@NeilBraun 3 года назад

My secret is that I'm a biped, it's stunning how few people notice.

@Triantalex 6 месяцев назад

??..

@1210620 3 года назад

Every grade schooler who played "smell my finger" knows why that's "brown".

@ehzmia 3 года назад

I thought it might be related to brown nosing. Where ever that phrase comes from.

@IceMetalPunk 3 года назад

@@ehzmia And here I figured it was because of brown mustaches...

@xxnotmuchxx 3 года назад

@@IceMetalPunk no, it is brown bc of dirty sanchez.

@michaelmagnus3590 3 года назад

Dirty Sanchez

@mkaali 3 года назад

How does that "game" go?

@Censeo 3 года назад

Since I was 12, I have often tried to create a number system like this one, where larger numbers just added something to the simpler numbers representing a higher value. I wanted a lot of numbers to be represented by just one character. This video showed me that I wasn't just crazy. Not only have people had the same idea, they also implemented it

@austinlincoln3414 3 года назад

grahams number be lookin like a fractal

@Supertimegamingify 3 года назад

I can't believe that "about 20 years ago" is about 2000.

@inigo8740 3 года назад

My mind went to mid 1980s

@nanamacapagal8342 3 года назад

@@inigo8740 same.

@SteveHodge 3 года назад

The way 2020 has been, "about 20 years ago" is April.

@user_hat 3 года назад

@@SteveHodge April? I havent heard that name in years...

@lucaslucas191202 3 года назад

Same and I was born in 2002. I guess 2000 simply doesn’t sound like a long time ago even though it was before I was born lol

@Nikolas_Davis 3 года назад

It's actually quite simple to do math with cistercian numerals, if you write them in sequence, add up corresponding corners, and occasionally take care of the carry. They're basically base-10,000 numerals in a positional system.

@labbymousie 3 года назад

ye this is no harder to do math with than arabic, they're really similar

@pluspiping 2 года назад

Finally, a base 10,000 numerical system for those of us with 10,000 tentacles

@oddname1 2 года назад

Not only is it base 10000, it is also actually usable because you dont need to remember every digit

@headhunter1945 Год назад

It's not base 10000 the stem is just part of the writing. The video actually states it is a decimal system. IE base 10.

@Ossian-dr1vr Год назад

@@headhunter1945 It has 10,000 unique symbols no?

@MateusSFigueiredo 3 года назад

When he started doing the digits from 0 to 9 I was expecting to see a cross, but I was mistaken. 5 is 4 + 1, makes perfect sense 6 is "yeah I'll just put this floating dash here" then it makes sense again, being 7 is 6 + 1 8 is 6 + 2 9 is 6 + 1 + 2

@drawapretzel6003 3 года назад

Well it's semi obtuse, but that was probably on purpose. Individual numbers having unique symbols, and a way to write 4 digit numbers, technically you could adapt this to modern numbers just by making a way to add 4 digit chunks together, essentially making decimal nibbles.

@ubertoaster99 3 года назад

Sort of like the French naming system.

@covoeus 3 года назад

Makes you wonder why 3 isn't F (1 + 2)

@xxnotmuchxx 3 года назад

We should remake this number notation using prime numbers.

@andreaspihl7297 3 года назад

for fun i created my own probably easier system, 1,2,3 and 4 are the same, but 5 gets the "floating dash" instead of 6. from there you just add. 6=5+1, 7=5+2 and so on. i showed the monks system and then my new system, to some people who didn't know about this, and they preferred my system more. i first tried making 3= 1+2. but it got weird and difficult to draw with the higher numbers.

@Acusumano25 3 года назад

"Do you still use the vow of silence sign language" Super long pause Hahaha

@chrisg3030 3 года назад

"How do you represent zero in your number system?" Silence "Thanks"

@abj136 3 года назад

@@chrisg3030 Actually: |

@tolcso 3 года назад

Maybe they never really kept a vow of silence, just made very long pauses, and people didn't wait for them to finish and assumed they were under a vow.

@PC_Simo 3 года назад

@tolcso Cistercian monks: ”What vow of silence?”

@Triantalex 6 месяцев назад

??.

@justsaying605 3 года назад

0:15 should be the slogan of this channel. Numberphile "you know em', 1,2,3,4,5 etc..."

@samuelberton3778 3 года назад

I know how I'l be solving my math tests in the future

@soyboi7982 3 года назад

Noice

@warren5037 3 года назад

Plot twist: your teacher also know this number system

@ragnkja 3 года назад

@@warren5037 Hopefully, or else they’ll fail abysmally.

@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721 3 года назад

Probably not what the teacher meant when they said to show your work.

@Triantalex 6 месяцев назад

??..

@MateusSFigueiredo 3 года назад

This would be so confusing to use along with roman numerals, because, in this system, I is zero

@luthfieyudhairawan3883 3 года назад

i assume you are dislike to combine romans numeral and arabics numeral, or maybe hexadecimals with binary system. yeah, i do too. cus we cant combine 2 type of numerals. the only way is to convert one to another. well, thats my opinion.

@violetto3219 3 года назад

that's not how it works though

@xoriun8638 3 года назад

so it's the 0-Ring, nice

@pozxyyy 3 года назад

@@luthfieyudhairawan3883 Mateus is talking about if you use both of them, it would be hard to tell | (0 in Cistercian) and I (1 in roman numerals) apart.

@gmiill 3 года назад

@@pozxyyy rush light is talking about how that would never happen in practical usage so it doesn't matter

@zippymax1 3 года назад

For ten-thousands and up, just draw a horizontal stem so that the two stems make a cross, and use the ends of that stem for ten-thousands, hundred-thousands, millions, and ten-millions.

@alexhuzu 3 года назад

I just wanted to say the same thing :)

@HBees79 3 года назад

how would you write it as a complex number? 😁 🤗👻

@marcushendriksen8415 3 года назад

I was just thinking of a system where every power of 10 has its own stem, all joined like spokes on a wheel, and the kinks on it determines the digit in that place. (Of course there would have to be a reference stem and direction, but the definition of those is arbitrary)

@drawapretzel6003 3 года назад

Would be easier just to have them horizontal and left to right like regular numbers, or add four nibbles together into a larger stem, up to a 16 digit number. It's hard enough to remember which place on the stem is what place, making more stems connected would complicate it needlessly, we already have 4 digit nibbles.

@kevinolson9940 3 года назад

Or just write multiple 4 digit numbers next to each other

@splodeyferret 3 года назад

One interesting quirk that this number system has is that you can see which digits in a number are odd by seeing if they form a vertex at the end of the stem. I wonder if that's due to the way the system was originally constructed.

@sk8rdman 3 года назад

Interestingly, note that 1, 2, 3, 4, and 6 each have their own unique single line representation, while the others are compounds of them (added together).

@TheDeadheadable 3 года назад

And 5 could be 3 and 3 or 4 and 1

@sk8rdman 3 года назад

@@TheDeadheadable Do you mean a 2 and 3? That would result in an upside down 5. Only a 4 combined with 1 gives you a 5.

@WolfWalrus 3 года назад

Can we just talk about how perfect that telephone sign language joke was? (3:55) I laughed so hard. These videos are such treats

@davidconnell1959 3 года назад

The Cistercians heavily influenced aesthetics. Anyone who has visited a Cistercian Abbey such as the marvelous one at Sénanque has to have experienced awe at how a heavily built structure with small windows can yet admit so much light and feel airy. Loved learning this today! Thanks for every Numberphile video.

@edga69 3 года назад

Ascetic, not aesthetic

@dirtmanmapping 3 года назад

@@edga69 it is aesthetic, not “ascetic” so you’re wrong

@edga69 3 года назад

@@dirtmanmapping Aestheticism is to do with beauty. Asceticism is to do with self-denial. That is what the video mentioned. David Connell misheard and talked about something else. You are wrong.

@TechnoHackerVid 3 года назад

@@edga69 he was talking about the beauty of their structures, not asceticism

@chrisg3030 3 года назад

@@TechnoHackerVid You're right of course. Nevertheless maybe that aesthetic was ascetic.

@l_ilypad 3 года назад

Drink tea land... England! I'm surprised they got that so quick

@bernardfinucane2061 3 года назад

I'm pretty sure that isn'T medieval or pan-European though. Also pronounce E like I is distinctly English, not something that is done anywhere else. E tall E is only Italy to an Englishman.

@raafmaat 3 года назад

as someone from mainland europe, when i hear tea i think of england instantly.... tea is almost a synonym for england to me haha

@TaiFerret 3 года назад

@@raafmaat I thought China because that's where tea originated.

@NoriMori1992 3 года назад

Why is that surprising? English people loving tea is a really well-known stereotype.

@miachen2635 3 года назад

@@NoriMori1992 but it wasn't until the 19th century when it was widely consumed, well after the medieval era. my guess is that the sign would not have been used then, but started being used more recently after drinking tea became stereotypical. it seems like a pretty flexible system for inventing new words.

@ccityplanner1217 3 года назад

It looks particularly useful for writing times. A single character can potentially suffice for 15:36.

@theaninova 3 года назад

What I love about the more modern writing systems is that it seems there is always some more logic behind them, like Korean or now the Cistercian Numerals.

@xCorvus7x 3 года назад

Well, since the Cistercian numbers consist of two rows each with two digits, one could just add more rows to add more digits. The orientation in every row except the last one could be the same.

@whimbur 3 года назад

Somone else commented (Texas Jack I think) how you could just add a horizontal stem on top of the vertical one, to add even larger numbers, if you combine this with what you said, the numbering system could be much more effecient.

@xCorvus7x 3 года назад

@@whimbur You mean six digits per double row? That doesn't sound too shabby.

@Gordons1888 3 года назад

I am laughing so hard at the vow of silence on the phone gag aha

@Ekevoo 3 года назад

I was watching the old version and it got interrupted at "and they used among themselves a secret-" (1:45). That was HARROWING. It was kind of anticlimatic to find out that it was just a segue back into the video title.

@CosmiaNebula 3 года назад

what did you mean? (p.s. high hoof!)

@samaranis6504 3 года назад

I don't get it 🤔

@screamsinrussian5773 3 года назад

Huh

@Triantalex 6 месяцев назад

false..

@jonathanjacobson7012 3 года назад

The way that signs are put together in order to express complex ideas reminds me a bit of the toki pona constructed language.

@sammarks9146 3 года назад

"For the first 1,000 years of the first millenium..."? I'm no mathemetician, but, uh...

@Invizive 3 года назад

I think that's the joke

@edga69 3 года назад

Exaggerated way of saying a long time, and when. I.e. all of the first millennium CE.

@aniksamiurrahman6365 3 года назад

To be specific, this first 1000 year applies to Europe only. Only they were then in the Dark age. Other people like Indians and Arabs were already busy developing the first versions of our current Hindu-Arabic numeral.

@blackhatguy6955 3 года назад

"millenium"? I'm no Roman, but, uh ... millenium, with a single n, refers to thousand arseholes, not thousand years.

@Triantalex 6 месяцев назад

??.

@leopoldbloom4296 3 года назад

I bought this man's Numbrlands and Looking Glass books ten years ago and they inspired me to pursue a degree in mathematics. I dropped out less than a year in since I vastly underrated my dumbness, but the books remain marvellous.

@Decentralized_Maze 3 года назад

As a person with a love for languages, ancient history, code ciphers, religious and societal changes, only high level math (e.g. math/science theories I don't fully understand lol), and puzzles.... I thoroughly enjoyed every minute of this video! I'm definitely buying your language puzzle book!

@henridelagardere4584 3 года назад

I somehow like people who have their own language puzzle book standing next to Richard Rhodes' _The Making of the Atomic Bomb_ and a bottle of Jim Daniels.

@hadz8671 3 года назад

Actually, I think it is Jack Beam.

@henridelagardere4584 3 года назад

@@hadz8671 Touché! Kudos from a teetotaling milksop!

@Bacopa68 3 года назад

@@hadz8671 No, it's Maker's Williams. But at this point I've gone to far into the Bourbon/Tennessee distinction for anyone not familiar with US whiskey to understand.

@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721 3 года назад

"Customers who bought this item also bought:"

@BillHFA 3 года назад

Priorities are everything!

@GglSux 3 года назад

Yeaya!!! A new Numberphile video AND with "Mr.Bellos", one of my absolute favorite ""hosts/presenters"". Thank You (all of You who make this possible) so much for bringing us this continuing stream of great content !! :) Best regards

@yingo4098 3 года назад

Everyone: _Watches carefully_ Me: _Looks at whats on Alex's shelf_

@annihilatorg 3 года назад

All about that classic gameboy

@yingo4098 3 года назад

@@annihilatorg lol and the rubix cube

@mwgondim 3 года назад

@@yingo4098 And the Jack Daniels

@yingo4098 3 года назад

@@mwgondim ya

@Nilguiri 3 года назад

And a menorah, ay gevalt!

@Piffsnow 3 года назад

It's crazy this channel still proposes so interesting content after so many years !

@bigpopakap 3 года назад

Brady, you're one of the most delightful people whose channel I have the joy of watching

@honeygupta1792 3 года назад

This is one of the coolest things I've seen in some time. Well done Brady Sir!

@cmyanmar13 3 года назад

Stylistically reminiscent of some obscure types of tally marks.

@emilandreasson9670 3 года назад

This is quite fun honestly. I was trying to come up with a fictional writing system earlier which was quite simular in some way. You started with on line and depending on the direction is decides if it's a consonant or vowel, then another line for hardness, then a lost of for which sound.

@carlokay7939 3 года назад

Absolutely delightful video! Thank you.

@naynaynay324 3 года назад

Always a pleasure to listen/watch.

@mcb187 3 года назад

This Hs actually really cool. If this was still widely used, I imagine it could very well have been used in a similar fashion to how a 7 seg display works.

@takkiemon 3 года назад

7:40 I really like how it all comes together and that 9 is 6 + 1 + 2 as well as 7 + 2 and even 8 + 1!

@labbymousie 3 года назад

it's not 6+3 or 5+4 though. They're so close to having a binary system, if so all the addition would work out perfectly.

@carinacorrea1976 3 года назад

REALLY loved the explanation and the positive energy this man had to explain the whole thing. I would really enjoyed having a teacher like him back in my days at school!! 🤩🤩

@quilt4115 3 года назад

I actually came across this number system nearly a year ago and took notes on it. Pleasant surprise to see a video about it.

@ostimeg 3 года назад

This was fun, and just as I was thinking things we'd get a cool animation, like the figures appearing to be stick people, or the 6666 being a race car. Great vid

@celebalert5616 3 года назад

I suffered from brain damage brought on in an industrial accident in 2013 and I also forgot the Arabic Numeral System. So for me it is two forgotten number systems actually 😔

@EmmaShiner 3 года назад

I love his energy and how excited he is about the system

@generalpartridge7653 3 года назад

This is one of my favourite Numberphile videos ever haha. Love it

@knifeninja200000 3 года назад

Imagine how much harder maths would be using Roman numerals

@Starday723y 3 года назад

Fun fact, what we call arabic numerals are actually sanskrit and was learned in India and brought to the Europeans by the arabs but the numbers are not arabic themselves

@emberhydra7621 3 года назад

Really cool can't wait for Numberphile

@orraviv1536 3 года назад

great video as always

@TabooGroundhog 3 года назад

Well now I wanna see what was wrong with the first upload

@valentinafuffa535 3 года назад

let me know im curious

@SKyrim190 3 года назад

The 5750 they animated was incorrect. It actually was 5710. I pointed it out in the comments and they deleted the video.

@numberphile 3 года назад

One of the mystery numbers was written incorrectly in the graphic... We had spotted and fixed it... Then I uploaded the old wrong version!!!!

@rogerlie4176 3 года назад

@@numberphile Ok, you uploaded the Parker version.

@dschonsie 3 года назад

one monk wanted something else than chocolate milk

@alienworm1999 3 года назад

3:57 I laughed way too hard at that

@yashphatak6260 3 года назад

after seeing that number system I was like WHAT LOW STANDARD NUMBER SYSTEM WAS I USING TILL DATE FOR DAILY LIFE !!! AMAZZZINNNG NOTATION!! BEST VIDEO! AMAZINGLY CREATIVE SYSTEM!!! love u r channel!!!!

@pirsabel 3 года назад

This is so great! - As a math student I once skimmed through a Book of Mystic Symbols by Agrippina of Nettesheim (as you do) and found this system and exclaimed (not really!) “wow this is cool why don’t we use that!” - Great, that people found that again and share the fascination !

@n20games52 3 года назад

That is a cool system and I love the look of it.

@woutervanr 3 года назад

Pretty nice system I would say. Way more compact than Roman numerals.

@mcombatti 3 года назад

Bought your book at Blackwell's! :-) Can't wait for it to arrive. Thanks!!!

@cmscoby 3 года назад

The simulated monastic silence at 4:15 was hilarious.

@theRealPlaidRabbit 3 года назад

This reminds me of the 'dancing men' cypher in a Sherlock Holmes story. . I figured 2020 was one long stem in the middle, with two folded over on one side and one folded over on the other, and another bit stcking out.

@nonitathomas4620 3 года назад

Yes. I thought ‘dancing men’ from Sherlock too.

@thomassidlinger5725 3 года назад

That pause on the phone had me rolling

@BruceSeesall 3 года назад

THANKS for sharing bro...

@ChungRts 3 года назад

Absolutely love it!

@oscarbarnes127 3 года назад

Math lessons on April fools day are going to be fun.

@dnzssrl 3 года назад

Last time I was this early, numbers weren't invented yet.

@Froggeh92 3 года назад

This guy is pretty nice to listen to. He seems very kind

@ramonmenendezrecio4442 3 года назад

Fantastic concept!

@PhilBagels 3 года назад

Using those lines added onto the main vertical line, you could have a system to represent any four-digit number in base 32! You've got the horizontal on the end, the horizontal not on the end, the diagonal coming off the end, the diagonal not coming off the end, and the parallel line. That's five bits of information, so you could represent a base-32 digit. Four of them is 20 bits, giving you any number up to over a million.

@Armaganth 3 года назад

I couldn't decipher the sign language... but I could understand how the number system worked before he gave the explanation, so I'm still proud of myself anyway ! :p

@AliceErishech 3 года назад

@@511aboy The system is fairly simple to figure out. He gives you more than enough information to figure out the basic premise of the system as well as most of the numbers in that initial graphic of just four number. The 1_1_ and 5_5_ that he uses immediately after he starts actually explaining it is exactly how I figured it out myself before continuing the video. The biggest issue is simply that the ordering of the digits is a bit unintuitive.

@AliceErishech 3 года назад

@@511aboy Uh. No? I said I figured it out before he explained it? I used the same method he used before he used it because I paused the video and took a few seconds to examine the information he'd provided up to that point and that was the logical method to use. You shouldn't assume nobody else would be able to figure this out just because you were incapable of doing the same.

@AliceErishech 3 года назад

@@511aboy No, at about 6:10 in when he tells you what number each symbol represents. That's more than enough information to figure out position as well as the numbers 0, 1, and 3-8. This is just before the narrator himself says (around 6:22) you might want to pause and try to figure things out. At this point he hasn't actually explained the system. He's only gone over some of its history and given you enough clues to figure it out on your own.

@OmnipotentPotato 2 года назад

I got it right when you showed what the numbers are. Very easy and simple numerical system, and looks majestic.

@walkingwriter4325 3 года назад

This is the second video I've seen today about this book. Mark talked about a few of these puzzles on Cracking the Cryptic.

@spacemanspiff2137 3 года назад

This is how I’m going to file my taxes next year

@supercalifragic1551 3 года назад

Cistercian numerals are my new favorite thing.

@SomeGuy1117 3 года назад

I added 2 extra axiis to it and wrote my phone number as a single number. Pretty fun.

@beaconoftruth6586 3 года назад

Lovely! I can't wait to learn more about the Cistercians! And to get your riveting book. 👍😃

@briceliaud7693 3 года назад

Amazing discovery, thank you for this video !

@trondordoesstuff 3 года назад

4:56 Okay, Professor Layton.

@richardgurney1844 3 года назад

Wait, I've just thought of a puzzle! ...

@shaktiman528 3 года назад

The "Arabic" mumeral system is actually Indian numeral system.

@SomeGuy1117 3 года назад

I thought the Indian system was everything beside zero, then zero was added by the Arabs, could be wrong though.

@shaktiman528 3 года назад

@@SomeGuy1117 "Zero" was added by Aryabhatta, an Indian mathematician. Almost all of the things that are popular as Arabic in Europe came originally from India, it's just that they got there through the Arab world.

@gwahli9620 3 года назад

@@shaktiman528 Those kind of naming happens often. Coffee was considered to be Turkish, even though it most likely origins from Ethiopia.

@Cl0ckcl0ck 3 года назад

@@SomeGuy1117 The zero also came from India. You can still see the oldest one in Gwalior. The Arabs didn't do anything but pass it on to Europe.

@kashoncode 3 года назад

Not entirely true. While the basics of the system originated in India further additions, enhancements and improvements were made by the Arabs hence why it is known as Indo-Arab, although more commonly as the Arabic number system.

@marzipancutter8144 3 года назад

What I found most interesting when deciphering the system was that there's no difference between up or down within the sign, but toward and away from the middle so it gets flipped for hundreds and thousands. Makes for a nice but very confusing symmetry. Sadly, that also means that you have no way to tell what the original orientation of a given sign was, if it gets turned around you might get a wrong number and wouldn't even notice.

@tristate0mind 3 года назад

Brilliant!!!!!!!!! More like this please!!!!

@satanofficial3902 3 года назад

"The numbering of numbers is numbered." ---Albert Einstein

@blenderpanzi 3 года назад

If "shame house" is used for toilet, what is the mime for brothel? :D Edit: Hm, in German brothel is also called Freudenhaus (joy house), so what's the mime for joy? :D

@TheAlps36 3 года назад

Somehow I don't think a hermetic order of monks would have a word for it 😁

@NoHandleToSpeakOf 3 года назад

Why natural body functions are shameful is still beyond me. Shameful behavior exists but that is not it.

@ostimeg 3 года назад

*thumbs up *house

@50mt 3 года назад

@@ostimeg That almost makes it seem like the Heaven-House which... yeah fair enough, actually.

@MrDowntownjbrown 3 года назад

Milk house

@onejumpman9153 3 года назад

This really makes me appreciate just how perfect a system Arabic numerals are for representing numbers. It's familiar to the point where it's hard to conceive of numbers without it, and so it's easy to take it for granted. But looking at the other solutions humans came up with highlights how completely brilliant and elegant the place system is

@xerxesbreak5226 3 года назад

It wasn't even invented by Arabs though

@constantinethecataphract5949 9 месяцев назад

@@xerxesbreak5226it was invented in India i believe but the Arabs were the first who adopted it.

@DaneliusUK 3 года назад

Enjoyed it, thank you.

@TheEnderLeader1 3 года назад

"A barn is 'Cow House'" _Happy Jesse Pinkman Noises_

@tenhirankei 3 года назад

How did they sign for "brothel"? "Cat house"?

@p11111 3 года назад

4:03 I guess this is a comedy channel now? 🧐🤓

@gaeltigree418 3 года назад

I had so much fun figuring what the unit numbers were on my own (quite successfully too, exept the nine, which I thought would be the six and the three symbol instead of the six, then the two and the one...) very interesting video, love the channel too!!

@andreassumerauer5028 3 года назад

I used to work at medieval fairs some 20 years ago. I wish I had known about that number system then. Also of interest if you are into that stuff: Medieval calculation techniques according to Adam Rise. He published a book on that subject on 1518

@doyowan 3 года назад

Watching this video on my phone from the shame house.

@elkudos6262 3 года назад

Hey, it's like that Sherlock Holmes story!

@rosiefay7283 3 года назад

The Adventure of the Dancing Monks?

@letitbeso3727 3 года назад

this is beyond wonderful

@KataisTrash 3 года назад

Very nice, I love solving puzzles like these :)

@martijn3151 3 года назад

04:44 Everyone knows that medieval monks had a big brown mustache. That’s why 😊

@cristianespinal9917 3 года назад

6666 and 2020... haha, so I guess we're just doing cursed numbers then?

@jeremy_sr 3 года назад

This was a great video, this guy has got great humor and is super interesting

@gillian6792 3 года назад

I would love a series about number notation. Thx for the vid

@wiseSYW 3 года назад

the voynich manuscript might also be one of those monks' secret codes

@rich1051414 3 года назад

Mustaches are generally brown. It isn't a finger sniff, you heathens.

@sandipmandal4141 3 года назад

Wow! Amazing!!! I become overwhelmed after knowing this number!

@HayTatsuko 3 года назад

This numbering system freaked me out a bit, because I did my own personal alphabet and numerals that work a bit like these do, though they aren't stuck onto a stem. One of my favorite modern uses of Roman numerals is in using them for the month in a date, to eliminate any sort of ambiguity regarding different date orders amongst countries. First saw it from a Spanish cartoonist and while I don't use it (I specify month-name abbreviation instead), I might change to that in the future -- it feels really nice and stylish.