Please, do the battle of Cochim of 1504. 140 Portuguese with 3000 Cochin troops with 5 ships againts the Zamorins 84000 army with 200+ otoman ships and venician artillery . There is a good book about it called “conquerors: how portugal built the first global empire”.
The battle of Diu in 1509 is one of the most important battle in human history. It open Asia, the rich spices and destroyed the arab monopoly of international economy and gave to Europe the access to the globe and for the first time to become rich.
The ship/Nau which is in Malacca was made by the government of Malaysia. It's a "replic" of of Flor do mar taken from documents and pictures. It's not a real ship which can sail btw, which is the complete opposite of the Caravelles ("réplicas") that we made in Portugal though. The one in Malaysia, Malacca is for tourists and festivities to honor the Portuguese, which btw is a language that is talked there to this days (and as a really proud Portuguese that i am, I'll thank them so much for preserving our Culture, they are part of us)! BTW, In Nagasaki (Japan) they do the same festivals every year to honor the Portuguese also! Now about Francisco de Almeida and his revenge for his son! Imagine a father knowing that you're son was blown up to pieces, what would you do?! Well for what this guy said, I already know this guy would've done shite though because it's annoying, lol! The Portuguese broke their asses in half and you can believe if was not this war, many European countries could have been talking Arabic for many years, like it or not! The battle of DIU was one of the most important battles ever like it or not and its been said by historians throughout the years! Btw, doesn't matter how many ships they had against the Portuguese. Even if they had 500 ships, they certainly would not had left from there victorious, lol. The flor do mar ship/Nau, had 300 pieces/cannons and it was only one, now imagine all of opening fire at the same time. Not only that but the Portuguese had another advantage with those cannons, they were loaded by colatra/behind (another Portuguese invention btw), and that had an huge impact because those cannons fire would be 6 times faster then the normal ones loaded by the mouth/front! Salute from LISBON and sorry for my poorly grammar. I know it sucks to see you're language being butchered. Really sorry for such ok. Cheers. ✌️
considering how bad my portugues is, despite my friends help... trust me I won't hold grammar or spelling against anyone talking in a second language... thanks for the info & comment, yours sincerely, alex
@@DrAlexClarke No my friend. It's me that I have to thank you. For speaking about my Country (our history)! Oh btw hope you don't mind if I ask you, to make more videos about Portuguese battles. Every battle that we fought, we were always in disadvantage but almost in all, we left from those battles victorious and believe me, there are many of those battles. Or even talking about how and why the English people drink TEA. Or about the oldest alliance on the planet between the Portuguese and English. Really appreciate you're hard work. Cheers. ✌️
oh don't worry I'm working on it, my friend Jose is slowly translating books for me if there are not decent ones on the topic in english and honestly next year is either going to be the year of the Forgotten Battles or the year of Technology, still deciding... mainly thanks to him making a concerted effort on the part of both Portuguese & Polish (his wife) naval battles thank you, yours sincerely Alex
I enjoyed the live session, but i am very glad you put this up as a long patrol as well: i was able to take notes and get some background reading together. I hadnt realised just how important this battle was in terms of both developing geopolitics and "geohistory" ( if such a term exists). Anyway, thanks for putting this together
In fact the existence of the English empire and the maintenance of English culture and Latin languages first there was the battle of Diu the technical and managerial most skilled at the time won...the whole Sultanate...it was clash of civilizations....it was the beginning of the European dominance as we know today.
It was One of the most important and decisive Battles in History. Against all Odds the Portuguese Annihilate all the Muslims aspirations of controlling the Trade on the Indian Ocean,Africa,Middle East and Asia routes. It was also the end for the Venetians Control of the Spice Trade. And in the big picture of the Time "Politics", ended with the "Dream" of the Muslims return to Europe for establishment a new Caliphate,Found the First Global Empire in History and at the same time did Open the "Door" for other European Countries to try their luck and get rich. This New Age of World History was decided in the Battle of Diu in 1509 by the Portuguese Navy.
The Ottoman Portuguese war is a later conflict... this was with the Mamaluk Sultunate of Egypt; losing this war with Portugal is what would eventually lead to their downfall at the hands of the Ottomans. Another reason this battle so often gets overlooked, because the losing power was not a major power for long - although mighty in their heyday, they fell fast after they peaked.
@@DrAlexClarke True, however I remember this battle being described and showing ship movements as the battle progresses. Their video shows how it started, their aid to Ethiopia, this battle, the Ottomans getting angry and building up their forces and finally the downfall of Portugal in the Indian Ocean. (Probably why they focused so much on Brazil afterwards)
@@dariuszrutkowski420 well there are similar battles, but this was not a battle involving the Ottomans... it was the Mamaluks Egyptian Sultunate, in many ways the last vestige of the Mamaluk Empire...
@@dariuszrutkowski420 Do you want the real shite, then come to my Country (Portugal) and go to Torre do Tombo in Lisbon, there you find all the letters, maps, documents. Everything you need, you even can read the letters that our king send to the African king and vice versa. You can read the what they said about slaves and take you're own conclusions my friend, instead of seeing videos on RU-vid where some manipulate the history of certain countries to accommodate/fitt /suit their narratives! A huge salute from LISBON my friend. Oh btw, if you come here then you need to have becarful for not to like the City to much ok, because you may not want to leave anymore though. 😉 Cheers. ✌️
A few weeks ago, a letrer was found from D.joao II to C.C that shows the he was working for t Portuguese in secret to send them in t wrong Direction .. C.C studied and lived in Portugal before going to Spain... Another thing, to go down in África you take the Elísios winds, you dont go straight down, its actually Faster to do a big curve and you dont pass that far away from south América coast..there is t idea that t portuguesa found Brasil before but could not say ut, otherwise it would belong to Spain, Tordesilhas is t second treathy ...ONLY after that was agreed they anniuunced Brasil was found ..
Having lived in India for some 9 years way back in the 70's i was aware of the former Portuguese colonies of Goa, Daman and Diu, but not of this battle...
Ohohoho....wait a sec..now you were wrong...Ibérian Christian powers?? Spain was not there....t portuguesa were there...portuguese tech..portuguese MAn...even t boats t Spanish use to find and explore América is Portuguese tech ..só...nope....its portuguese against t biggest armada out together since Roman Times..3 powers, Mameluco, Vence and ...the Ups forgot t name but you mention it already a few Times, portuguese and their ally but t difference in Numbers is insane and t outcime as well....22 MAn survive from that biggest armada since t romans and all the ships go down...
Again....why do you learn ar school all Over t world about the Greeks, t romans..t English ... Etc...and só little if anything about this small country, Portugal, that changed t world só much? That invented t boats, t tech, t maps, t routes and won t batles that Open the world to Europe ... How come this is not properly explained in schools all Over the planet since its só important, really really important ... Why not?
O que o Mundo em geral não sabe sobre a batalha de DIU e em primeiro lugar nao foi uma batalha por interesse mas uma vingança do nosso Vice Rei pelo morte do seu unica filho a mais famosa carta da Ásia (Comeste o frango agora vais comer o Galo)
Okokok yiou may not know this, but back then, in Portugal, there was this story of a Lost Christian Kingdom in t Middle of other religions, Lost and Alone, tales from it would come from t est, the Kingdom of Prestes Joao, and One t the goals of the voyages was t find them and help them ... Maybe that is why u were saying that they thought hindus were a kind of Christians... Actually t first European to arrive to Tibet was a Portuguese and when he arrived there he thought maybe Tibet was t base of that legends because of t way they Prey t monks atc...
This is not taught in great detail even in Portuguese schools and it has been so for some time now. Maybe because we had 40 years of right wing ultra conservative dictatorship in Portugal that abused these episodes of Portuguese history, often at the cost of objectivity. The bad and the ugly were ignored in favour of the "heroic" aspects of the nation. The reaction that came after 1974, with very left-wing oriented school curricula, is, in my opinion, equally unbalanced. I suspect it is even worse these days, with the "politically correct" and "identity politics" that also make inroads into the curricula. The only mention of these events, with great detail, comes from this British gentleman and from a Brazilian gentleman (in a way it is also their history, I suppose). Very few people even mention these events that seem to have had a huge impact on the world as we see it today (for good and for worse).
The difference of forces between t two sides in that batle is crazy..but Portugal hás t best ships and cannons, they hás t best navy in t world back then, its still t oldest navy in t world today actually... Also dont forget that that batle started because of a Revenge ..because the Son of t Portuguese vice King of Índia was killed...he even sends a letter ahead saying he was coming...Portugal was t first country for example to put cannons on t SIDE of t ships...i m writing with out of my glasses sorry t mistakes, English is not my first language either 😎
I wouldn't compare this battle to any other, considering the manpower difference, the technological difference and the consequences of this battle for all of Europe.
overall good analysis. however, you didn't really emphasize the religious or crusading aspect that was also a motivating force behind the early Portuguese expeditions. remember, the Reconquista was still deeply imbedded in the Portuguese national identity, and with that came a deep hatred for the Muslims. many of the atrocities committed by Da Gama, Cabral, Almeida and Albuquerque was fueled by that deep hatred.
The portuguese never conquered Adem. Also I think you underestimate the importance of religion to the portuguese. Many times, portuguese kings said that they were on a sort of cruzade, in the far east
Very interesting dissertion. It is true the battle had consequences that ended up influencing the rise of Europe and european culture in the world as a whole. There are (or seem to be) a number of pre conceived ideas about the portuguese, the battle of the "Spanish Armada" ... But ... There is a conclusion that is not at all backed by History... Centuries before the portuguese, the chinese war junks went along with the comercial chinese fleets, in order to convince the kingdoms in southeas asia to trade ... The Cartaginian Thalassocracy did the same, and the power of the athenian navy and the power of Athens in ancient greece, was based on the capacity to control trade routes through violence. The romans copied the trend, and their navy started decaying, as soon as they obtained absolute controll over all the mediterranean shores (you dont need a navy if the enemy has no place to harbour their's or a place to build ships). So, looking at History, the portuguese ended up doing the same thing most others also did. The main difference is, that the portuguese brought what we now call "projection of power" to a totally different level. They were able to do the same thing, but thousands of miles away from their original base.
You may enjoy the videos I've done on the Romans etc... also Simon Elliots books on the Roman navy. You raise a number of interesting points, some I won't respond to as I've covered them in other videos, so the reason they weren't discussed here is there is always to an extent a time limit, so if I've already given something substantial time in another, then I would prefer to devote the time to different things. It's interesting you raise china, as whilst Admiral Zheng He had done all that, by this time it wasn't even celebrated anymore in China, let alone known about in the west. More about China's maritime past is planned for next years videos, hopefully this will include Zheng He if the translation of the new book is any good. I would add that whilst looking back we can often observe the rise & fall, the similarities & scale, at the time even most of the leadership didn't really think about others - to an extent the Europeans thought about Rome, about Carthages as an enemy of Rome, but certainly not about the phonecians or other great maritime empires. That discussion is not really part of their lexicon of thought as we can observe the accounts of their debates & letters. Thanks for the comment & hope this answered some of your questions... sorry its not more fulsome, but wanted to reply whilst I had signal.
Sadly more than I would like, at history conferences I've been a doing a little experiment over the years and if I ask people about major Portuguese naval battles from the Age of Sail they look at me blankly like I'm asking them to explain about the Proof-of-Work (PoW) alogorithm...
