The Forgotten Wars: Russians and Tlingit in America  

You beat me to it. Best wishes to you and your family.

Well the US was its own nation by then. Not a colonial power

Wasn't colonial

this is youtube... your facts are meaningless here.

Red River Rebellion would like a word

Nice. Most of us have never heard about this.

​@Maulfick Manfred this is such a wholesome comment omg

@Maulfick Manfred God bless friend, I hope you are treated with the same kindness in life that you display

Congrats friend. Well done on surviving colonialism. I wonder if your people prefer the USA or Russia.

Gunałcheesh. ♥️

Finally, someone that really understands the History. Russia leased the land and the Rothschilds did what they always do - screw you out of land, freedoms, and everything else they can.

Yet you call yourselves US citizens and are Christian yourself

Kinda like what the 5 Nations did to the peoples of the Upper Ohio River Valley.

Klingit

Hello, when you say a "voiceless L" do you mean like a "silent letter"? For example: knife. We don't pronounce the k, just nife. If you don't and it is its own thing, could you tell me more about it? :D Please and thank you, if you have the time

Thank you for saying this.

@@Tiabliaj1989 Hey i see no one's responded explaining this, so I thought I might as well. In linguistics, a voiceless sound refers to a sound that doesn't use the vibration of your vocal cords to make that sound. So for example, "s" and "z" in english are made in the exact same place of the mouth with the same part of your tongue and your mouth is doing all the same things, except for your vocal flaps. If you make a "z" sound and hold your fingers up to your throat, you'll feel vibration, but if you do that with an "s" sound, you won't feel any. That's because /z/ is voiced and /s/ is not! In Tlingit/Łingit, they have a sound that is known as a "voiceless l," because it's a lateral alveolar sound, just like an l, but it's voiceless. (Lateral for all extensive purposes here is basically just a fancy term for "l-like," literally meaning that air is blocked from coming through the middle of your mouth and instead has to go around the sides of your tongue, and alveolar means to make this sound, the tip of your tongue is at your alveolar ridge, that weird little ridge thing you can feel on the roof of your mouth right behind your teeth.) The English voiced /l/ sound and the Tlingit voiceless ɬ/ sound are different in more than voicing though, /l/ is an approximant while /ɬ/ is a fricative. Basically, this just means that in an /l/, there is too much space between the roof of your mouth and your tongue for turbulent airflow to pass through, while in /ɬ/, you're able to breathe as you make this sound because your tongue and roof of your mouth are super close together, but not quite touching. Another example of a fricative is "s" or "z" or "sh" or "th"" in English, and another example of an approximant is the English "w" or "r." Different languages have different sounds completely, and different voicing pairs. English speakers make differences in meaning between z and s sounds, two sounds only differentiated in their voicing, but we only have one L sound, so we don't have to worry about voicing or devoicing it. In Tlingit, they only have s, but they have a voiced "L" phoneme and a voiceless one, so they differ between those in the same way English speakers do between z and s.

@@callumburgess7020 Thank you so freaking much, this was fascinating!

I don't think the red army would have been able to reach Alaska. Neither the Japanese or the americans would allow them. It would likely have been more of a Taiwan situation

Considering current events interesting would be one way of putting it. In reality though. The Cold War would have been a lot different story if the North American continent weren’t pretty much unified.

​@@FM_1819it's 10 miles from Alaska at the closest point and at that time the us couldn't stop Russia they could of built a bridge by this point

​@@masonmcgrew9790 The esternmost notable road infrastructure in modern Russia is the road to Magadan, about 2000 km from the border @ Ratmanov island. The territories are close-by, but to bridge them, a huge amount of infrastructure would have to be built trough almost unpopulated, mountainous, frozen terrain.

@@Simo.Andreev Not saying this for the sake of argument, but look what Floridians did with the key road. And Russia didn't have the humans rights concerns Floridians surely showed xD "Oh, you did a bad? Off to the gulag to build our sea bridge to Alaska!"

It’s not and it never will again

I’m Alaskan and we are happy to share this land with the natives but it’s our land now as well.

Alaskan natives Almost got it right

Alaskan natives Almost got it right

Alaskan natives Almost got it right

British, French, and American fur-trappers and merchants looking to exchange European commodities like muskets and cannons for prominently furs and chilkat blankets among other things

Baseball games are always fun. I played senior league on POW. Bench clearing brawls.

They actually did commit genocide on them lifelong Alaskan here

@@katsulewis9703 there’s an old joke about the Russians basically saving the Haida from being absolutely eradicated by the Tglingit people. I’m sure you’ve heard it before but it’s offensive so I’m not going to repeat it. I only bring it up because technically the Russians in that case stopped a genocide.

@@michaelthemadsoldiertist from what I got out of it there were times the Russian people were helpful and there were times they were slaughtering my point really is more that People Are People everybody was killing everybody back in the day groups were moving around so much they were displacing other groups absorbing some groups they always want to make it a racist thing but if you look at how Native American people treated each other and dealt with each other it's easy to see that there is no real difference between them and any other group

@@katsulewis9703 I spent over 3 decades there , the only ones I saw that got " thinned down" were the Aleuts and that happened during WW II. Go ahead and show me some evidence cause I lived with the Athabaskan and Skimos most of my time . Possibly you are from South East ?

America Was Not A Colonial Power.

@asacschrader5172 Then explain Guam, Alaska, Hawaii, Germany post war and The Louisiana Purchase. We certainly are a colonial power. I'm not saying it's wrong. But, we certainly are a Colonial Power.

​@@freedomisntfree131bro ain't no way you actually said any of this dumb shit Alaska and Hawaii are states by your logic we colonized fucking Vermont 😂 and post war Germany needed us without the us the soviets would of taken the other half of the country which they were at the time already trying to kill everyone

@@freedomisntfree131wrong that’s not Colonialism and the USA bought most of its territory like Alaska and the Louisiana purchase and most of the natives died from diseases not conflicts and the trail of tears wasn’t a genocide read a book dude

@The_king567 Read a book? My second great grandmother died on it. I'm not saying colonialism is wrong or America is evil. But, we certainly are colonial. Let's at least be honest about it.

it's a common misconception that native americans didn't understand trade but they did they traded for metal items like pots and pans including muskets and ammo for fur and since they had so much fur and hides that they were basically worthless within their own trading they traded them to russians most likely because they would get paid back home really well for them and could buy a lot of replacements while still having plenty left over.

@BaeBunni I understand your point, and certainly, the Russian were in a position to trade with the locals. We weren't. Good point. The Russians probably armed their own foe. A mistake the U.S. has made a few times. -- But it is a stretch to suggest that Russians needed fur or that it was valuable in Russia. They supplied Europe with fur during that period. Russia was full of plets and lumber.

@@anthonyperno1348 yea and it was still good money It's how most fur trading went in the Americas. English French Spanish and Russian fur traders didn't always hunt that often there were lots of native americans basic trading the equivalent of 10 dollars worth of iron in pots and pans for 1000's of dollars worth of fur because fur to most native tribes wasn't worth much and they couldn't trade it to each other. Even when Russia was the height of pelt exports the fact they basically doing trade for something most serfs could get on their meager income for something nobility would drop several pounds of gold for.

Fur trade most likely, they hunted und skinned the animals and the Europeans gave them alcohol, metal utensils and guns in exchange

Hudson Bay Company traded weapons for furs in order to fight the Russians. Most likely they also helped fortify the Tlingets.

We ditched the Armour when it was clear that bullets go right through it anyway, so why wear useless weight?

Manifest destiny wasn't a battle but nice try

Everyone had slaves, even us natives. Doesn't make the atrocities any better.

Yes, we had slaves and Custer had Black Soldiers.. can we just grow up and admit we wronged each other equally here in North America?

What does 5 tribes have to do with the 567 different tribes don't forget black colonizer and buffalo soldiers who help massacre indigenous tribes

I smell what you're stepping in. Indians in North America behaved just like any old Imperialistic country. The Commanche and Apache tried to wipe each other out for decades. The Mongols slaughtered everyone in sight from China to Eastern Europe. It's a fact of life. Want a modern example? China. They're claiming almost all of the Spratlely and Paracel Islands. All of which were previously claimed by other countries for decades. What do you think the odds are of China taking land from Russia in the Far East? I think better than 50-50.

oo yes? maybe the land you live on now is a forced claim from your nation

They should be able to defend themselves

The Russians didn’t even settle the area they were just setting up trade outposts and most of those fighting for the Russians were aleuts, read up on what the tlingits have been doing to the aleuts and other native groups for thousands of years

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Ok so why not learn to speak it? It's not hard just takes some motivation and intelligence

Some don't even have that. Just the "honor^ of being "white" or "black".....

You should have defended yourself better

That’s just not true the Russians did not force there language on natives, in fact the Russian Orthodox Church created alphabets for native languages and translated bibles into native languages so that natives didn’t have to learn Russian

... why.. people have been taking land from eachother since the dawn of time. One group moves in, couple centries later another group moves in and takes alll their shit, then it happens again, and again, in perpetuity. You think the Tlingit people were the first people to live in alaska? they weren't. They're smack dab on where the Bering land bridge used to be so odds are half a dozen different groups of people once lived on that land, and the Tlingit were just the last conquerers to be conquered there.

Tlingits were a warrior culture that raided and Enslaved neighboring tribes continuously in a sort of endemic warfare. Most of the “Russians” who fought in the battle of Sitka were actually Russian-Aleut or alutiq creoles

Yes he was Danish, but on russian service, still great explorer

Only 4? It took something like 13 to defeat a hodgepodge band of Texicans and Tejanos at the Alamo.

Nice nativism dude god you people are a joke

Canadians aka the British most likely.

​@@CT-uv8os That would make sense. Thank you.

Apart and a part are different words with different meanings.

you do know Russia had control over alaska but they sold it to USA right? This tribe didn't stop russia

Hudson Bay Company traded weapons for furs to Tlingit to fight Russia. It’s presumed the also helped fortify the Tlingit.

​@@grt49erDamn Canuks😂

Canadians

@@grt49er Fun fact, Canada was settled by a Private Corporation (The Hudson Bay Company) which probably gives us the most Capitalist History of the Colonies

@@johndee2990 Never thought about that. Capitalism is not really a bad word to me. Except for the most capitalist countries. Countries a fascist government was installed to allow corporations to exploit might be the most capitalistic countries in the world.

Southern Alaska is the only part they realistically needed to have control of, southern Alaska had the largest and most technologically and politically advanced tribes, the northern regions were much more sparsely populated and put up little to no resistance

@@coltondunham695 Except for one and his name was Joe

Quit hitting yo momma😊

@@CT-uv8os Yo mama, yo daddy, and yo granny!

Not even remotely true the Alaska purchase happened 53 years after the tlingits defeat, that information alone should tell anybody else’s who may be ignorant on Alaskan history how wrong you are, but I’ll add some context on russian/Tlingit relations for the 50 odd years after the battle of Sitka, tlingits converted to russian orthodoxy on mass after a series of deadly pandemics in the early 19th century that devastated much of their population, and Russia never pursued assimilationist policies,and in general was very hands off with all of Alaska. so conflict just didn’t arise very often until the Alaska purchase and the American assimilation policies.

Russia never had any significant immigration to Alaska and what few settlers there were often assimilated into native cultures, russian men would marry native women and even dress in traditional native clothing, the russian Orthodox Church in Alaska even created alphabets for native languages and translated the Bible into their own languages instead of forcing them to speak or learn Russian,

They also need a colony

Trade with the British, Spanish and Russians.

​@@avel3470for over 300 years by that time

You know he would have to talk about native tribes doing what you are talking about in his video right?

Since you care so much dont say "Native Indian" or "Indian"

@@danieltoft2116 yeah my favorite thing in the world is asshole people thinking the conquered people would never have done the same if they had the chance lmfao.

That part is already well known. The Russian colonisation of Alaska is a lesser known topic. Not i can understand why you're only reaction is "whatabout"

Old news, no one cares.

Are we then going to give every land ever conquered by another group or nation back to the original inhabitants? And just how is that going to work? It's the most ridiculous notion ever.

Tons of land is owned by natives but you go ahead and repeat things you heard that just sound good

​@@Abruzzo333 Also, what would happen to the people born in the US? Would they be deported to a country they may know next to nothing about? What about people with multi-ethnic backgrounds? When it comes to this sort of issue it usually ends up with a "sins of the father" situation.

You better give me Central Asia back because my ancestors were killed/driven away by Turks who currently live there

Putin or the Chinese would love to swindle the native Alaskan natives so they could use Alaska as a stepping stone to attack America. Virgin Mary appeared in Necedah, Wisconsin and said Russia had ice caves near Alaska to store military supplies to attack Alaska and eventually the United States. Will Roger's was flying to Russia to spy on this rumor when his plane was sabotaged, causing his death. Amen

Goodbye Russia no one will miss you

​@@droiduser1984Idk but if America wad gone things might be peaceful for a change.

Still better than being black

I really don't see the point you're trying to make....after white people win they're done fighting? What do you like about it

Canada never "lost" Alaska to the Russians, Canada never claimed Alaska. Whoever told you that lied, check your history before you make false statements. A quick google check even on a wikipedia result shows how wrong your statement is.

Russia was the first country to colonize Alaska how Canada lost alaska?

@@KadekDika-jm8hu If you had read my first reply to the OP's comment, from 2 months ago so don't tell me it's not there when you posted, you'd have your answer.

They weren't poor, it was impractical to own land so far away from your capital

Russia was poor so they sold U.S. Alaska😅😂😅

They weren’t poor dummy, they didn’t need the land