I was a little heisitant at first but I wanted the case so bad glad I was as well. Have to wait till july I think they said for the aluminum side pannels vs the steel
Hey Ryan, yes, with caution. One, the pump block is 55mm, so if you setup for 58mm of CPU clearance, your GPU max is about 55mm. Next is the rad/fan combo. Asetek units often have these 30mm rads so that means the fit under the motherboard side even with a slim fan is going to be tight, on the PSU side you're fine with a 25mm fan like I used. It should work but expect the mobo side fan to basically touch the tray. IIRC the Noctua slims are closer to 17mm.
Manufacturing is hard. Manufacturing something of this quality with the processes they use is even harder. Niche hardware is usually hard to get for these reasons.
The t1v2 standard layout with a c14s is my dream, my most recent build from some 18 months ago or so was in an Ncase M1 because I was unable to find the T1 in stock and ran out of time, I absolutely love the M1, its great, I use a c14s with it, but damn I really just wanted a t1 and the v2 seems to fix a lot of the tiny issues I had with its predecessor. Namely the reliance of a riser cable, and sandwich layout along with the side panel material.
Indeed it is! It has also been my dream to have a case with size of a T1 but with standard layout, since nowadays I only prefer air-cooled setup but low profile coolers won't really cut it. Used to do watercooled AIO build in the FormD T1 v1.1, but only a few months later decided to do aircooled build instead for the sake of simplicity. At first I thought my EVGA 3070 XC3 Ultra gonna fit well in the T1 v1.1 in 2-slot mode since I do plan on utilizing the max 70mm cooler height in that particular mode but seeing online on how there is some clearance issue (the XC3 Ultra is technically 2.2 slot card lol) I got back to the Ncase M1 with a tower cooler (Thermalright SS135) I've placed my order on the T1-R (reference kit) for the v2, now just need to wait somewhere end of July/Aug for the shipment. planning to build it with a Thermalright SS110 tower cooler
@@cruz1n494 I ordered mine during the interest check period a few months ago, and they only opened a small window for those with orders under the said interest check to confirm so they can finalize it. there has been no real update so far, but from previous posts in Reddit says that they are currently pushing for the pre-orders now, and the only chance to order it after this is when they finally open up for public orders
As a T1V1 owner I would really appreciate you doing a dual rad build in this new version. I would really like to liquid cool my GFX but it is simply too difficult to get enough radiator without it being jenk.
Impressive for sure. As someone with some machining and design experience, this is one of the only cases I have seen which actually justifies it's premium price with the CNC machining. Flat packed, able to be assembled and disassembled with the parts having indexed mating surfaces is very much a detail oriented machining process and does cost a lot to do well. Very, very different to cutting out a flat plate and then using screws to align everything (much, much too common in 'premium' cases IMHO). After shipping and import fees is it worth double the price of an A4-H2O? Personal and harder question to answer, but I can at least see why it costs more in this case.
FWIW - A 'used' T1 will probably still sell for a substantial amount, years from now. The Zaber Sentry for example, is still going for near retail prices, used. To be fair, the Sentry is a very limited and quite rare case. My current 6yo build is in a Sentry and the upcoming replacement is going to be in the T1 I ordered last week. Stoked!
Really hope to see dual rad custom loop content in the future! That's my plan for it when mine eventually ship. (V1 required heavy modding for second rad that was beyond my skill level.) PS. Is the shorter screw for slim fan provided in the case? I remember having to source my own for V1.
Very clean review! Something I noticed in your review was your mentioning of the fan/rad brackets beeing a bit off. The long bracket is for fans only or a fan over the MB and 120+fan over the psu, while the small brackets are for 240mm rads. Using the small brackets allows you to not have the rad mounted with screws ruining the exterior design.
@@MachinesMore for the V1.1 with TX240 and slim fans the long rails didn't work out, but maybe they now have the mounting points a bit lower. Usually the longer bracket is designed in a way you can comfortably fit a 30mm thick AIO rad above and a fan below (above the PSU).
the holes in the rear really stop me from buying this case. i dunno, the gpu should just take the entire space and „fill“ the rear area next to the mobo io completely, need to see if a three slot card does that
Where can I buy this case? Is FormD already selling it? It is unbelievable that such a small case (less than 11 liters) can support a 280mm radiator. I was looking for a Lian Li Dan Cases A4-H20, but after I saw the T1 V2 Sandwich I was impressed.
The issue I have found with putting a second rad in is that you are only able to put one slim fan in that rad even in single slot mode for the gpu. The PSU is too close to the side rad even when using a 20mm thick rad.
No idea why the PSU isn't oriented cables down and slightly higher but custom cables seem a huge need especially for anyone going for this modular case
I had the firsts version of this case and I loved it and hated it. one it looks amazing but two the cable management was terrible because the sides bulged, and it was annoying with the cables touching the fans blades. three finding the right size radiator and it needs magnets to hold the top and sides. I'm currently using the Jonsplus i100 pro and that has plenty of space.
Under the PSU looks like there is enough space to put some SSD maybe. And for sure I would put some slim (15mm) 120MM fan on the side panel above the CPU as an intake for even better cooling.
I would like to see the T1 v2 Reference design and how they work since it shares most of the parts wi the Sandwich layout and it didn't need a riser cable.
The handle accessory kit is an option- it’s a Peak Design style handle. I did attach it to the top for a quick shot but that isn’t where it’s supposed to go. I’ll show a few more deets in the next vid.
Watched every second of this review and this just makes me want to upgrade my v1.1 even more. Thank you for sharing great content about this awesome case that I love!
Just to keep the data concise I’m only comparing against sandwiches here, and also I think it’s a bit misleading when we include a case that large. The vented NR200 is a bit better than the A4-H2O, in general.
@@MachinesMore I get the thinking behind your decision, but it'd be convenient for those who are wanting to compare across broader range of SFF and not just sandwich cases to get a feel of what the size difference trade off is to performance. I think there could be a 2nd slide that compares to cases like the ncase m1, ncase nr200/max, etc. I can go and look at the data from older videos but it's nice to have it all in one.
@@MachinesMore Ok, I understand and agree. But I also agree with Darrin Lin here, that it would be nice to see it in a separate slide for the reasons they gave.
I need a V2 to replace my V1.1, only because I really desire that new, update with fitment and extra space. Then again, I have a 3090Ti squeezed in my T1 v1.1
@@aeonbreak4728 IronNam has detailed it over on the Discord, they've made a custom side panel. Another member of the community re-arranged the PSU to fit a 3090 Ti into the 1.1 as well.
@@aeonbreak4728 there is no link, it was discussed in the workshop channel of the SFF Gurus Discord Machines & More mentioned in the video, the Discord invite is in the video description. Even if I had a link, I wouldn't be able to post it in the comments, would get marked as spam :).
Both fans? For a CPU all core process I doubt you’d be able to hold the overclock that I tested with, but for gaming it would probably be OK- the issue in combined scenarios is more so if you have a hot GPU. If this were a build with a 3070, it’d be way better on the CPU side.
Yeah, both fans @1000rpm or someting like 50% of the max speed. I am not really concerned about OC myself, just did a build in Louqe Raw S1 with 7900X and the air cooling is not quite good enough for me (I'd love to stick with regular heatsinks but itx cases of these sizes just have limitations). Might swap out to this case+240mm rad at some point.
I would just make it slightly bigger (like 10,4L - basically 10 mm taller), so it fits propper 25 mm fans in both rad positions. I don´t care if it´s under 10L or slightly over.
There are some plans for a potential top hat like thing that would allow that. No guarantee/ETA on that yet, but it would be an optional accessory. It was dicussed over in the Discord.
The reason is for direct comparison between all the cases tested recently and previously. At some point I will re-benchmark the important cases but a CPU's power draw is power draw, whether it's Zen 1 or 3, the point just to give a fair thermal comparison here and a database of thermal performance between many cases.
Will show a bit more detail for the handle later on. I haven’t tested that particular Corsair unit but the CM PL240 is one of the best units I’ve tested, along with one of the most refined pumps. If you’re swapping out fans anyway (which you have to in this case), then the more important factors are the pump noise, cabling, and rad thickness. Based on my experience with the H60i Pro XT, the CM PL240 is a slightly better, albeit more expensive cooler for this case.
Thanks for being the first review to drop of the v2. I'm surprised to hear about the psu cage making it past the engineering phase without being addressed. Same goes for the top countersunk holes for the radiator. Also, why the F would they go with a light blue riser cable? That's ugly as hell in just about any configuration. They should have gone with a black one. Thinking about refunding the 4.0 from my order and grabbing a black one from somewhere else.
The top countersunk holes for the radiator is a non-issue, the rad should be able to be mounted internally with the half size fan bracket, just like it was in the 1.1. No screws sticking out of the top panel that way. Another commenter here pointed that out as well, Machines & More said they'd clarify that in the next video. The blue of the 4.0 riser was not FormD's choice, it's 3M's electric shielding, the 4.0 riser is custom for the FormD t1 2.0. Not sure what's up with the PSU mount, there may be a different way to strengthen it, I don't have my unit yet so I can't say for certain.
@@Simply_Scott Screws on the top of the case are the least elegant option for sure. However, from what I’ve read on the Formd Reddit, the radiator is mounted to the brackets you’re referring to, but the fans are so close to the top of the case that they can’t be screwed into the radiator from the top. So you see quite a few posts of people using the pressure of the top of the case to keep the fans somewhat in place. Others use some type of tape on the sides of the fan and radiator. I’m wondering if this was addressed. My guess from the review is no it wasn’t. It is nice that full size fans can be used now though. If they went through the effort of re-engineering and manufacturing a revision, they could have picked a riser cable with black shielding. I’ve seen them available elsewhere, so I know it could have been an option unless they had a previous contract with 3M they were still honoring to lock them into whatever 3M would give them.
@@Simply_Scott Fingers crossed. Patiently waiting for mine to ship while I have wires hanging out of my nr200 that I bought late last year to hold me over. Lol
