THE FRANK MILLER BATMAN UNIVERSE 

My biggest issue with frank miller is that he just makes batman a horrible father

The mutants are not mutants. They're just a street gang the are basically punks

Yes, Jubilee and Lego Robin were the two based on Carrie Kelly. Also, in the comics, Dark Knight Returns was published before year one. And the mutants weren't really mutants, it was just the gang's name.

Vee... You said you never read the book. So you never read the sequel series where Kelly went from Robin to Catgirl and became the leader that he was training Dick and Jason to be. She even took on Batman's brutal punishment style, going so far as to beating one of the Son's Of The Bat so badly after he disobeyed an order that he had to be infirmed.

Whilst Kevin and Mark will always be the iconic duo. Peter Weller’s Batman vs Michael Emerson’s Joker is probably my favourite. If you haven’t seen the Dark Knight Returns animated movie, do it. It’s superb. Get the whole cut version, not the cut in two parts version.

Vee.. this is Frank Miller. His Batman is old, tired, and ready to pay back the pain. He doesn’t actually kill the joker but gets close and joker knows he won because they’ll still blame him for killing the joker. And joker takes his life.

The Catwoman short was made to try to sell a spin off.

😊 robocop as older batman is the perfect casting

I love Peter Weller as Batman tbh he's amazing and one of my fav ppl to have voiced Batman. Plus he's freaken Robocop like cmon

Timmy Turner is a loose cannon cop on the edge who doesn't play by the rules.

Regarding the similarities between long Halloween and year one vee brought up, interestingly enough the comic The Long Halloween was actually intended as an alternate sequel to batman year one, eventually being followed up by Batman: Dark victory by the same duo who made Long Halloween and being a very direct sequel to it, forming a batman "early years" Trilogy

Personally I always viewed Batman year one, the long Halloween and the dark knight returns as an unofficial trilogy. Year one is the origin story and Gotham is much more grounded with mob crime being at the center. Then the long Halloween continues that as Gotham slowly transitions into a more comic book city with super villains and what not and slowly transition away from the mob, and then the dark knight returns is the conclusion to this Batman’s story

14:10 Jim Gordon to Joker *I Am The Danger*

You made Frank's point so easily when you insisted that it's interesting to think about how Batman deserves blame for what criminals do. It's a ludicrous premise. He pinpointed the exact type of people who'd say that crap more than 30 years before they started doing so. And people genuinely blame Batman. Call him out for being a billionaire who beats up the apparently poor disenfranchised criminals. It's a once a month thing now. Say what you want but this is the most accurate depiction of people on the left who don't get what Batman is about. Frank is a libertarian, he doesn't like the left or the right.

All Star is a pretty good compliment, if you have All Star Superman in mind instead of All Star Batman and Robin.

Kinda weird that you didn't read the comic. You should! It's exactly what you want, more of it! You should also try reading the Legend of the Dark Knight series. Especially the mini-series "Prey" (Legends of the Dark Knight #11), it's basically the continuation of Year One.

Bruce needed to speed run Carrie's progression to become Robin

Well, we can't actually say that Frank Miller's Batman in D.K.Returns killed the Joker🃏 cuz he didn't, he crippled him paralized him making him unable to kill or even hurt anyone again but the Joker🃏 managed to commit suicide..

As far as I'm concerned, this Cameo is Kevin Conroy's last serious performance. The other is just a goof he had.

I completely agree with the art style comments for the dark knight movies. The comic uses the same art style and I never loved it but was able to still enjoy it and I get there some very iconic panels in that comic. It’s and art style which only gets worse over time, there are comic continues of the story done by frank miller and there’s a reason they didn’t get adapted the story in insane and stupid the art style just gets worse and worse to a point you can’t really tell what you’re looking at. I do kind of wish that some of the worse frank miller Batman stuff would get animated versions so that more people could understand and experience the unhinged insanity of Frank Miller (same for Alan Moore both great comic book writers know for amazing stuff that lost there minds a bit)

Am I the only one who thinks Ben McKenzie, Gotham's Gordon, makes a great Batman voice?

that part about how corrupt the cops in year one are was kinda funny because that's literally just how cops behave irl

Great Video Man!

U literally talk about Batman all the time but you never ever read the comics or graphic novels. "Didnt read year one or Dark knight returns"

Anyone else find it funny when he said “he is a careless hero in a city of maskless villains” only to cut to a scene with a villain in a mask.

Reviews like this would be 100% better if any actual research was done about the source material, you keep complimenting “the movie” but both of these films were almost frame for frame replicas of the comics they are based on

Bruce himself said the same thing in different adaptations. Batman Beyond he calls himself Batman in his head & when Batman & Sups meet WW in a comic.

Ah, Crazy Steve!

GORDON cheats on his partner??? Dude it’s OK to say wife!

25:50 Specifically for seeing an older spiderman, Spiderman: Life Story is genuinely one of my favorite comics ever read. It follows his life as if he was actually a teen in the 60s until the 2010s when he's like 70.

There r stoners who r like her parents, so it is valid thing 2 have though. Frank Miller did a better job than a lot of current writers combined on both DC and Marvel .

Yesss finally someone does a video on these being a shared universe !

Frank's a little nuts. He went to Sin City and never came back.

It should be noted that Bryan Cranston is my favourite Gordon voice actor so far and i hope we get to see him play the role live action some day, second only to Jeffrey Wright who i think was an inspired choice :- )

....youve never read Year One until now? Bro....go read The Cult, Dark Victory, Court of Owls, Batman & Joker Deadly Duo, Whatever happened to the Caped Crusader and Gothic if you havent already read these. Those are just a few off the top of my head Edit- also the woman jim cheats on his wife with, sarah essen, he later marries her and shes her own fleshed out character in the batman mythos before being murdered by joker in no mans land

I feel Batman Year One wasn't truely a Batman story persay...it's a story about Jim Gordon, he's the real protagonist. He's not perfect. He's made mistakes and makes more...wants to do the right thing and doesn't want to make waves...but events change his mind. Even at the end he's nowhere near perfect...he's just...like us. Trying to do our best even with our faults.

I think there’s a lot of accuracy in everything in this compilation. I mostly agree with you in your journey and range of opinions here. I too like BATMAN: YEAR ONE best, like DARK KNIGHT RETURN part one better than part two. And I agree with your criticisms. Much as I wish I didn’t. I still see the original graphic novel releases as revolutionary and necessary to most of what Batman has been since. But I also think other than YEAR ONE (which I think was way better than DKR), most of the Frank Miller’s other Batman work has been overrated.

The whole Frank Miller thing is very interesting, because in my opinion, he’s responsible for some of the best and some of the absolute worst Batman material we’ve ever gotten. But as far as the art style in the dark, Knight returns, animated film, that’s just the way, Frank Miller draws his characters, specifically in the graphic novel. Fan of the art style or not, they were just trying to be faithful to the book. And this is absolutely, in my opinion, a Batman movie that you need to read the graphic novel first before you watch it.

Frank Miller Comic Timeline: 1. Batman Year One 2. The Man Who Laughs 3. Batman Haunted Knight 4. The Long Halloween 5. Dark Victory 6. The Gauntlet 7. Robin Year One 8. Batgirl Year One 9. Catwoman When in Rome 10. Superman For All Seasons 11. Under the Red Hood 12. Dark Knight Returns 13. Dark Knight Strikes Back 14. The Master Race

You putting the Catwoman bit in here makes me think of the other DC shorts attached to other animated movies. Quite often, they're some gems. The Jonah Hex short is leagues better than the live action movie ever was, the Spectre one is probably the best we'll get of him (since I highly doubt a full length movie would work for the character), and such. Sure, I don't think I've seen any of DC's post-Batman: Year One animated movies, so they could have had some far lesser shorts after that, but up to that movie, they were doing quite well.

Having Brian Cranston as Jim Gordon was just perfect casting after Kevin and Mark as batman and joker

I hope you keep this outro for a long time RIP😢🙏🏾

bro i feel for you starting this before the batman came out but only being able to get it out now

lol he says “lucky amateur” vee, I had the dvd copy and turnt the subtitles on to make sure myself

Batman Begins seem to depict the corruption rather well.

Nah, I think you're so wrong about Batman being the true identity and Bruce Wayne being the disguise. They're both just exaggerated versions of certain aspects of his personality. Batman is this weird haunting badass creature of the night. That ain't Bruce lmao, Bruce is a scared little kid who ACTS like a badass avenging creature of the night, and who ACTS like this suave confident playboy. They aren't his real identity. The Batfamily are the only people who ever see Bruce for who he really is: This hurt little theater kid who got great at makeup, costume and acting, and is trying his best not to disappoint his parents by making the world a better place. Bruce and Batman are just performances he puts on either for the public or for criminals.

Frank’s new art looks like they are cavemen

Batman didn’t kill the joker the joker killed himself to make it look like it was batman and batman didn’t spit on the joker he spit a flammable thing on him so he could escape. As well as that in general there was a lot of details missed in this analysis of the dark knight returns. Frank Millers writing is inherently satirical and at some points becomes too much like all star batman. But the way i interpret the political stuff in this movie is that it’s merely there for world building. It’s a world like ours it’s silly everything is so extreme in real life and the movie and the book merely place batman in the middle of it. Batman himself doesn’t take sides he just does batman stuff and is faced with the world. That’s part of what made this so great it’s because it’s not just larger than life hero stuff. Batman is flawed like the rest of us yet works to become better.

Damn, you gotta stop it with the reposts lol

I feel like the intros from the previous videos could have been reworked to fit this final cut or whatever you want to call it.

I'm not gonna lie. When I saw that Jim had cheated, I literally yelled out "JIM!!!" as if he was a relative I was disappointed in. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Interesting that Jim and Sarah are married during the beginning of The Dark Knight Returns

We open to a sea of dead bodies on the floor of a TV talk show as the camera moves from left to right at eye level with the dead bodies. We see a green pointy dress shoe walk into the frame, crushing the fingers of one of the dead bodies in the floor. The camera pans up and we see the joker smirking over a sea of dead bodies from behind. We turns only revealing half his face and we get a look at the Joker as he sees Batman arriving to the scene a few skyscrapers away. We pan to the eyes of Batman that are amazed, sickened and raged and what the Joker had accomplished. We see the Joker turn around with a wide smile seeing Batman and says “To be a billionaire, you’re always a dollar short”. Screen goes black

I didn’t know these animated films were connected

The Year One book is pretty much identical to movie. It’s a loyal adaptation.

2:35 Gordon is the drop of Dawn that gets grease on.

Vee, you're an all-star Batman content creator. Loving all the videos lately.

Thanks to you, You now got me thinking of a Batman universe where Velma takes the role of Oracle. Like Babs is still Batgirl but Velma like central command. That would be cool.

I remember aftwr watching it I looked for year two which led me to the comic and i was so bummed 😭

Batman year one was awesome 😊

I absolutely loved Year One and TDKR. I view TDKR as one film because thats how I originally read it. They did a great job setting the tone and ambiance in this film. Some of the complaints you've levied at the film don't hold up because that is how it was presented in the original work. And this animated film adapted that work very well. VERY WELL. It really takes you into Batmans future along with all his allies, enemies, and setting. Frank saying the left is looney, well, thats common sense to hundreds of millions of people. Politics really were down played here though. These weren't in your face like today's bullshit. I hope the Y dshr

Hmm..Why does the second half of this video look the same as your The Real Batman vs. Superman that was uploaded may 16, 2022?

Vee, if you love Batman so much, you should definitely familiarize yourself with the comics alot more brother. You're missing out on the greatest Batman stories ever told by not diving into the comics. The late 80's and 90's era of Bat-books were particularly good...I personally recommend the Knightfall story arc. You're doing yourself a great disservice as a Bat-fan by not emmersing yourself into the medium Batman originated from. A youtuber named Salazar Knight has an amazing channel on the Batman comics that you'd love if you're not familiar with it... love your channel BTW...

Ben Mackenzie as young batman is awesome. I love when other batman story actors step into different roles. It was a little weird hearing Gordan as Batman, but not when you have Bryan Cranston as Gordan here.

You should let me cameo in your next video Vee

Good video but im ngl you sayin something about bryan cranstons range is wild. Not only has he played a lot of different characters, but in breaking bad alone he showed insane range in his abilities. I dont think anybody thought he should play jim JUST because he looks like him. Bryan cranston is an insanely talented actor and it fr was never a question of if he could accurately portray jim gordan. He could run that shit in his sleep. Bryan cranston the goat. Give him his flowers.

Absolutely an awesome video, about time someone talks about these movies!

Why does the cat woman short seem sooo familiar, oh yea it’s pretty much like how cat women was in the batman movie from 2022, well it has similar sequences and scenes.

I hope one day we get an adaptation of all star Batman by Frank miller in animated form. That’d be amazing lol

Batman did NOT kill the Joker!! He nearly broke his neck!! So he could never move his body again!! He was paralysed!! Disappointed, Joker twisted his neck and finished the job in order the Police would think he killed him!! Batman had enough of Joker!! By letting him live, he allowed him to kill hundreds of innocent people!! He spat on him to show he had enough! Joker was worthless!! He was not worth saving anymore!! Watch that scene again, and this time, really listen to what was said!!

Its always been my head cannon tha jim knows that bruce is batman( its been shown a couple times in comics and movies) 9:21 he just doesnt say anything because he knows the city needs batman more than bruce wayne

I feel the same exact way about the dark knight returns

6:04 He never dropped an F bomb in Year One, at least not in the movie version, he said "Lucky amateur"

Great write up, couple of things though. First is Batman killing Joker, I liked it more in the comic where it's pretty much implied he goes off the rails and kills him. I mean he snaps his neck in a moment of rage, and joker catches fire and starts talking in grey bubbles that were used for the "batman" voice in Bruces head. Second The notion that Batman's prominence enabling the rise of costumed criminals directly harkens back to year One where Catwoman is inspired to put on the mask. Batman then inspires the Mutant gang to become the Batgang. This consistent through line leads me to believe that it's less of a critique of the character, and more of an admittance of his ability to inspire and change. He has successfully become a supernatural phenomenon like he wanted, but It's "to what end." that's really in question. Third the scene where Clark and Bruce talk on the ranch. It's a juxtaposition of symbols - an American eagle for Superman and the US government, a lone wolf for Batman and a rat for the Oliver who is also the common American. The eagle swoops down, which he could have at any point and takes it in his grasp. Like how Superman now has Americas fate in his hands as a nuclear deterrent, and an arm of the government. Hence Green Arrows missing arm, and while his ability to function might SEEM hampered his spirit keeps him going. Just like the American people under this oppressive regime still have fight left in them. Ollie and the common man need help to overthrow the Eagle. Hence the other alpha, the lone dog. Fourth the chain of mayor, governor, Senator and President all passing the buck and denying responsibility is cyclical. Think about it, who replaces the President? Another identical link in the chain, so nothing changes. So what does? What's the point of it all? Batman breaks the chain. Batman is the other alpha that can guard the ranch. He wont be as bad as the Eagle, as Government stooge Superman because he DOES accept responsibility. That his actions have consequences. He realizes this when he DOES kill the Joker, realizes he goes to far and doesn't do that again. Regan's war with Russia ends with him alone in a bunker protecting himself, while his followers the American people are left to rot. Batman's war ends with his followers safe.

Man wants to act like the Mutants in the DC movies are the same kind of mutants in XMEN. I like XMEN mutants too but they’re two different things.

Now then... finally. THIS is the Batman that I grew up with... not the films... the graphic novels. Which is a large part of the reason that I don't see Bruce Timms' version of Batman as the definitive portrayal of the character... but don't get me wrong. I LOVE the "Timmverse"... and I watched it all right from the beginning. Hell, Im 43 and I STILL watch them all... and I bought "JL v The Fatal Five" the day it was released... but Frank Millers version is MY choice for the definitive portrayal of Batman. Along with the earliest of early Batman comics, which I also grew up reading. Hell, in those early runs, he was a dual pistol wielding, criminal murdering BADASS... please cover that version next! Though he doesn't necessarily mix well with the whole "Batman dosen't kill" rule that so many fans seem to cling so tightly to. That rule wasn't invented until the early 1990's.

Batman Year Two is actually technically a real thing, as The Long Halloween is seen as the follow up to Batman Year One, and Batman Dark Victory the direct follow up to Batman the Long Halloween… so do with that what you will.

If i had a nickel for every time i heard that Bryan Cranston should play a live action version of a character named Gordon, I'd have 2 nickels, which isn't a lot but its weird that it happened twice. Always wanted to say that :)

I like these movies tbh.

I just ordered the dark knight 3 master race graphic novel, I can't wait to read it

funny how you keep saying you're not political yet keep shitting on the movie for being more conservative than liberal--- yet you never mention the opposite in any of your other videos that are clearly liberal centered from DC, kinda funny how bias shows itself.

Pretty good reviews! With the Dark Knight Returns political commentary, I think the work is a bit more on the 80s spectrum of things, and may be clearer to examine it as being less political viewpoints from the modern lens, and more 'establishment' shortcomings and attitudes

I’m actually trying to blueprint a Frank Miller verse film series

20:41 you were right about that dawg. Like I watched it till 23:06 and in all honesty I can’t continue watching

Did this video come out two years late

Also I guess TDKR kind of inspired the talk show scene in Joker, but that was a scene almost directly re done from King of Comedy also starring Robert DeNiro from the 70s

Good video mate👍🏻 --but there's 1small detail i wanna mention cuz u put it as an example here, it's that in the Killing~Joke batman didn't kill the Joker🃏 in fact it let's us know that he was arrested due to the police lights that are shown coming while both laughing, otherwise it would have shown the kill as the rest of the killings in the book, also A.Moor confirmed it in an interview..

Huh. Never knew those movies were connected. Figured the animated versions were their own little pocket universes.

2:52 The Eiffel Tower isn't crooked, you're thinking of the Leaning Tower of Pisa! 😄🤣Frank Miller made only two Batman stories that were masterpieces: The Dark Knight Returns and Year One. Everything he has done with the character of Batman since has been self-indulgent, unreadable garbage.

42:47 I think on bruce's part it's just guilt but the rest of it yeah made zero sense. No one thinks like that.

Personally I loved Peter Weller as old man Batman. But my fandom of RoboCop might ad some bias.

I want Danny DaVeto as Hawkgirl

I'm scarily early

i forgot conan was in this..just another reason wht conan was the best late night host

Batman’s most powerful attribute the writers imagination. Funny, how fighting a bunch of thugs they only decide to shoot when he decide to attack them. Every time he fights Superman it’s always some nonsense let him fight Vegeta what do you think will happen alliteration but that’s just my opinion.

Okay but you act like Bryan Cranston wouldn’t murder a live action Ned Flanders

I think you mean to say as crooked as the tower of peza

Long Halloween is the sequel to Year one.

Does he respond 👀

The rise of the Goddarn Batman.

I think you meant the leaning tower of Pisa