The Full Beijing Motor Show Low Down with Elliot Richards | The Fully Charged Show Podcast 

Went to Everything electric in London. Took my family (3 energetic daughters 7,9,12). They loved it. The show loved them. Lot's of competitions, many free-bee's and a huge inflatable. They won't stop badgering me to by an electric car.

I recently bought my first ev, a 2021 Ford Mach e premium awd long range. I only cost me $30k out the door with just 22k miles. This was cheaper than any comparable ice vehicle I found. In 4000 miles of driving, I have never had to use public charging, but sometimes do just to patronize the business model to show demand. I needed to have some pie and coffee anyway, lol. The worst range I have seen is 180 miles, when it was 5 degrees, and I didn't prewarm the car. When it is warm I get at least 250 miles range. I am putting in solar to direct charge. I can't see going back to ICE. Saving money every day, and easily the most fun to drive car I've had in my 54 years of driving. It's funny the negative comments I get, but mostly I get lots of questions from curious people. I live in a remote town of 800 people, there are very few EVs here, most people are curious, so I take a moment to try and be a good embasador. I did get a spare wheel though. A flat with no spare was my biggest negative of the car.

Hi Robert: A quick tip for you when driving your Tesla; Spend a little time investigating the voice commands. One that I use all the time in our Teslas (Model 3 Highland and Model X Long Range) is I‘M HOT or I‘M COLD. These change the aircon by 1.5C down or up… Also easy com mands for heated seats and steering wheel (eg: MY HANDS ARE COLD)…. It is a very unusual day when I need to touch the screen whilst on the move…

Legacy Auto days are number in China.

Elliot love your work and videos on bringing us Chinese EV automotive industry closers. Yeah you could really see legacy aitomakers coming out strong in Beijing. Keep up with great work 😊❤

Great to have the Chinese perspective from Elliot. Loved the teasers for your forthcoming episodes! 👏👏

One of the most interesting and enjoyable EV conversations I’ve heard in a long time though I really don’t know why. It must be this combination of personalities?

The BYD plan is to take on Ford and Toyota with their own hybrid models to become an established brand and to take some market share whilst in a few years offering an electric equivalent model option. It's all about becoming an established brand that can then at some point flick the switch and phase out hybrids and make solely pure electric vehicles.

All the videos of this quality that I watch on this channel, and especially this one warning us of the coming tsunami of Chinese EVs, make me extremely worried for French and European brands. Here, we criticise the state's support for Chinese cars, but we pretend not to see their quality, their abundance, their inventiveness and their speed of implementation. In France, we were still marvelling recently at the small groove on the rear pillar (my god, what genius!) of the new Renault Symbioz, while the interiors of all the new European models are outdated, their batteries chineese and their recharging lagging behind. I really regret that we don't have a show of this calibre on this side of the Channel.

I'm in Africa and I'm really starting to feel left out. My country makes cars yet we don't see the benefit. If car makers really stop making ICEs after 2035 then the developing world is going to get left behind and it's going to have an enormous economic impact as I'm sure the cost of fossil fuels will skyrocket! It would be great if this podcast could do a show about the EV revolution in developing countries - 2 wheels, instead of 4 - awa as plans for bringing affordable EV cars etc to Africa etc. How are things in S America? Many chinese automakers are looking to open factories in Mexico for the usa market, but could also bring EVs to the S American continent as well. Have govs here waking up (adapting the grid awa building recharge infrastructure)?

Very informative guys. Hoping some more of these Chinese models make it Down under.

I would be interested in Elliots storey of living and working in China.

lovely to see this; kind of tracks the evolution of the podcast to the smugcast at times, but enjoyed the correspondent

From the report, the Japanese have *not* shown they know how to build an EV for China, they have shown they know how to *badge* a Chinese EV for sale under their brand.

Robert, Tesla just had Tom Tzu back to run the China factory. They will be making a more affordable model on their current car line. This will probably be the small hatchback you are hoping for. They can get the cost down by using CATL's new battery tech as well as incorporating some of their new 48 volt and steer by wire tech... along with new assembly processes.

Great stuff - we just don't get the Chinese perspective on the motor industry and electrification anywhere else. Keep up the good work guys!

I was given a hybrid Kia as a courtesy car and I'd forgotten how awful petrol stations are and how expensive petrol is having driven EVs for 9 years. I don't understand the concept of a hybrid ... I love Elliot's insights.

I've not really understood why people go hybrid. I get that some see it as a stepping stone towards a proper BEV, but I just see them as not getting away from the expense of running an ICE engine and transmission. I considered the Vauxhall Ampera when I made the leap away from ICE, but I'm glad I went full EV now I look back. This is one of only two cars I can think of that are done properly (in my humble opinion). A hybrid should be an EV first with a back up generator as in the BMW i3 or Ampera.

Great insight into the Chinese EV market. Wanted to get an EV car but could not justify the high new prices so bought a Seat Mii electric 2300 miles and only a couple of years old for 13k. Totally agree a fantastic car and is very economical. It has heated seats, windscreen and LKA. Compared to some a basic car, but this is what is needed. On this video you came across as a Tesla hater!! You don't have to be a Tesla fan boy but at least acknowledge what they have done for the EV market.

The new Toyota EVs are just rebranded BYD models with silly names.

Love your show Robert. Great stuff.

As a mechanic I saw the writing on the wall for petrol and diesel engines as no more innovations were coming out they had exhausted pardon the pun all ideas on how to make the engine more efficient but one bright spark came up with the hybrid system for a motor to help the engine along under load hence burning less fuel sound good you say well it started off that way but every year the emissions get tighter some companies wrote in cheat codes to give false emissions when tested like VW and many others basically hybrids are a cheat to make the engine run more efficient well not always as a lot of customers find out, Would I buy one Not on your LIFE they are ultra complicated there is so much to go wrong and they often do most times the battery are too small so they don't give enough power to the motor hence poor mpg. The trouble is there are so many mugs who believe all they are told about hybrids instead of doing their own investigating and finding out for themselves what the crack with hybrids now I am not saying they are all bad but there are a lot which fail the mpg test and older people like me are hard nuts to crack for innovation like going electric until I looked into it and 18 months later after owning one I am so glad I took the plunge I have saved hundreds of pound worth of fuel the service took 20 minutes while you wait I hardly drank my cup of complimentary cup of coffee from the dealers and they had washed it as well to boot all they changed was the wiper blades and it was ready for another year or more before the next service the brakes after 11000 miles were 99 per cent I have never had to clean my wheels no brake dust weird as all I did on my ICE cars was clean them once a week as they would be black with dust it cost me 6 pounds seventy-five pence to charge a week instead of thirty quid in petrol need I say more.

Thousands of miles without having to use the toilet 🤣

Big screen and no stock is brilliant - i love it!!

British telecom car would bound to be called BUZZBY. KEEP SMILING EVERYONE

Love the video, great to see and hear you both conversing. It also inspired me. Could you please make a video that compares the emissions of an electric engine, a diesel engine, a petrol engine and a hydrogen engine and their costs, not only to the environment, also their cost to human health directly? I think this will be very informative and help people make better informed choices. Please create it, please? 🙏🥹 Love all your work and keep it 🙂🙏

Hybrids are fine as long as they are plug in and people actually charge them.

A really good episode. It’s great to be getting the heads up on what’s happening in China from Elliot. I always said if the Chinese get a foot hold in Europe the European car industry will really struggle to survive. You’ve only got to look at the Japanese car makers in the 70s they killed British leyland as it was then

Very happy to see fewer gimmicks. I don’t need multiple screens or headlights making silly pictures, I need affordability

Great podcast, but I must admit I settled straight in to using Tesla Model 3 Highland. Made more sense to me not having indicator stalks. Button press to turn on and again to turn off, if it didn't auto cancel. Previous car indicators often didn't cancel and when you cancelled, it indicated the opposite way! I have found it so easy to use the buttons and to me the screen offers up options in bottom corner if you need to change settings for lights or indicators, after tapping the relevant button on the steering wheel. Most times I never touch the screen as voice commands work well for heat/cool and music selection. It is always interesting to see what China can produce at a super low price.

Toyota don't want to build EV's cos they don't brake as much as ICE cars

My neighbor in Huizhou got the new Xiaomi about a month ago, blue with red interior, Founders Edition. Later my wife said she saw 3 of them parked in front of his villa and the two new owners were also former Mercedes Benz owners. It made me think since Xiaomi was built by Mercedes is this the path the Benz owners will take? You see, Benz cars for the Chinese market (and export) are contract manufactured by BAIC in Beijing and so is Xiaomi, and the lead designers came from MB and BMW in Germany.

Fully charge show event in Thailand? 😁 Please plan. 👍

I did enjoy that. Robert, your chats with people you know are so much more relaxed than those with boffins in fields you know nothing about .. from a scientific perspective that is. Perhaps Imogen is better suited for those.

I did enjoy hearing from Elliot Richards. He has a nice way of presenting with intelligence, candor, and polished warm demeanor. Elliott, nice job. Hearing from Robert Llewellyn....well, at least we know why patreon funding is slipping on a downward trend.

Thank you for the shout out for Smarts original philosophy. Lost to todays buying populace!

Most interesting podcast that have I heard in a long time into the inside of China

I reccomend interviewing Michael Bernard (electrify everything) the future of energy - brilliant !

Anyone have any dato on petrol (gasoline) use in China? And/or air quality….

It's great to see my two favourite presenters 😝🤪

MG have a design centre? Could have fooled me, looking at the 4.

😂❤😂❤ And... You guys are among the few that didn't ignore the Chinese vehicle market, and really predicted the global market future. We'll done.

China EVs still have the low quality images, right or wrong. Could you dedicate a show on that topic?

Not having heard of the woman protesting against Tesla, I had to look it up. She wore a t-shirt saying 'Break failure' in Chinese and claimed that the Tesla had caused a serious crash. She was sued by Tesla, no fault was found by independent checks All very well but the report included the full VIN number of the car!!

The woman who protested Tesla in China was wrongly protesting the brakes. She was later found to be wrong, and or lying, and subsequently forced to publicly apologize.

What I would like is an episode on the cyber cab as soon as we know more about that because I am one of those people who doesn’t want to add more passenger vehicles to the equation and I would rather we build non-ownership mobility up so that we can call on and get to the point where being mobile doesn’t cost so much because everybody needs easy access that is also sustainable for the massive surge we are seeing to greater urbanization. That way, the cost of mobility can come down to match our amount of usage. Because I only use mine to commute to and from work and maybe to do my grocery shop.

Hi Elliot, can you tell us about the state of the charging network in China, do they have underground flats parking charging as standard, how do people charge the cars, at home or at commercial street charging? Cheers

Really glad you shared negative views on cars with only or mainly touch screens. Even if I could afford a Tesla, the screen would be the main reason not to buy one. The eNiro I drive still has 4 knobs and some buttons which I will miss when its time to get a new Niro EV.

Got a ev , a few months old , so second owner with low miles. Price deal was a main driver . At present many of these far east models have to many unnecessary gimbbish ( new word) features , or for example 3 different ways to put car into park ? , 4 ways to open the boot ?or 3 ways to start the car? . Totally unnecessary. Instead they are satisfied to sell them with no lumber support , no reclining rear seats , no hatch from boot into cabin . My ones got a American English speaking lady ,so you go into the translation dropdown where there are 3 options to hit , one being english english ( which my kids wanted) , sadly the other 2 options arnt available.

Great podcast, always fantastic to hear from Elliot and Robert. Although I think you forget what a huge Tesla fan base listen to your show. Robert you want to chop in your Model 3 for a BMW? The model 3 will last you another 20 years and get you safely to the shops when you’re not up to driving anymore. BMWs still have a dealer model, still need to be serviced including their brushed electric motors (yes they brought them back from the past to give them something to service). All because you dislike Elon Musk? It can’t be because you don’t like Tesla, BMW’s Neue Klasse is a less aerodynamic model 3 copy with a Tesla badge. Name one person that has done more to better humankind this century? On the one hand you get all worked up over lies from legacy media on climate change as do I. But then believe all the propaganda about Elon Musk. Find out a bit about the guy, read is Auto biography. I think your criticisms are unfounded.

The Model 2 is going to be called a Redwood

45:00 that's crazy good sport among direct competitors! It's hard to see big executives anywhere on Earth showing that kind of grace, that's an eye-opener!

She was blaming the Tesla for killing her dad. It was proved that it was drivers fault and oil companies were paying her to transport this car around protesting the UN truths about Tesla.

We’re building a charging infrastructure to suit the modest range of EVs and when 250-350 is the norm, rollout will slow down and prices will fall. Might this be a reason why Tesla are divesting in new sites and looking to yield more from existing sites?

I am a full on EV fan, my car is an EV, my wifes should be , but she wanted a backup so we have a little 600cc range extender in her car but its still driven as an EV 95% of the time............ however until we get an affordable way for people without off street parking to be able to conveniently charge, then hybrids are still going to be an important part of the transition. I agree at this point they should not be needed. But in a UK where public charging can cost upwards of 80p a kwh and you can live miles from public charge points sadly they are. I will never buy another ICE car again, but then I CAN charge at home

you can get programmable buttons for your tesla.

Robert, BYD actually is not a start-up in the way that NIO, Xiaomi, Xpeng, and Leapmotor are. Although it was a successful phone battery company, it did get its car making license in the more conventional way, as other legacy automakers did. It purchased a (no account) little state-owned automaker called Qinchuan and began its foray in, by making boring ICE models, such as its Corolla knockoff.

what, no pictures?

My Tesla can jump up and down, mainly as the roads around Calderdale are a series of pot holes connected by little bits os tarmac !

It's sad that my concern about sustainability spoils most of my excitement with electric CARS even though I am so excited by the end of fossil fuels and the electrification of the world. It's the electrification of all the things like building, digging and tunnelling and transporting goods that excite me more.

i guess bmw is trying to lobby for green h2O as fuel replacement. as far as i know the talk about that dosent want to die down in germany

How did you not know that BYD sell PHEV.

Robert, a question, the fact that Mr Elon Musk has gone all AI and Robots, and the reduction in U.K. Tesla sales is significantly noticeable, will electric vehicles sales now regain some momentum particularly with the increase in fuel prices. I have yet to see a 24 Plate Tesla during my travels across the North West North Wales and the West Midlands. However, I have seen several 24 Plate BYD models and a major North West dealership has announced it will sell BYD. Needless to say, Cheshire were knee deep in Porsche Taycan, BMW I4’s and IX’s with Volkswagen Group and Stellantis Group Brands are very common, there appears to be a move away from Tesla.

2 points .. Competition is great for everyone. And why are they cheaper? That would make a great video.

Review the 3rd party buttons for the Tesla.

I believe the incident with the lady who jumped on a car last year at the Shanghai show was complaining about her partner's Tesla brakes failing and making it crash.... But of course the datalogs showed it was found that it was the usual "user error" in hitting the accelerator by mistake and trying to claim a free car. She got busted needless to say, and had to post a public retraction and apology.

I believe the new electric Toyotas and Mazdas were based on Chinese model platforms, some even having just cosmetic bodywork changes to differentiate them from the Chinese cars they were based on. Their own JDM know how is too far behind the Chinese for them to compete directly. The future for legacy makers looks like collaboration with Chinese companies or producing cars in China for the export market, a bit like Tesla do at the moment.

May I suggest you watch the Electric Viking, he'll get you all up to date.

You really need to bring Fully Charged Live back far easier to remember than EE which I get wrong every single time so have given up and just say FCL sorry to your marketing team who think they've won with the new branding.

22 hectares or 54 acres or the size of a large Lincolnshire field.

Many countries are increasing insurance x4.5 cause fatalities on this vehicle 😢😢😢

I see it like this, those who wanted an ev got them. on thhe other hasnd, those that didint want an ev still DONT want an ev!

I own a Mitsubishi Outlander PHV. Outstanding vehicle for my needs, do a lot of towing so a pure EV would be useless. Car charging points do not allow for towing vehicles, and do not fancy unhitching just to be able to get to a charging point. Love EV’s but they are not the 100% ansewer

Xiaomi and Huawei both began to make BEVs. Who is next? Samsung?

Elliott is one of the most insightful EV journalists - thanks! Your take on Telsa was spot on.

I feel the same way about hybrids. I want to accept them as an ally, but it feels like it is missing the mark. I don't think they could make a battery big enough and small enough ICE engine to make the math work out for it. Just go with full BEV!

TORONTO '25!!!

Cheers guys I'll be watching

Screw buttons, do the Fully Charged team get issued with a Blackberry?

I thought that was my little boy shouting daddy

The BMW i3 could have been great. However, I think unfortunately BMW made some big mistakes by trying too hard. The tyres were too narrow because BMW put too much effort into energy saving. Those tyres made the ride and steering not 🎉BMW. No power seats and the seats too thin compromising the seat comfort. Then I think the suicide doors were a mistake and normal doors would have worked better. Had BMW updated the design they would have had a great city car.

I agree that bZ_ is a silly naming convention. The bZ3 looks a lot like a Camry to me. Why not just call it the electric Camry or Camry EV? eCamry. The Camry E.

Never seen a longer intro...

Robert has discovered the interrobang ‽

No no no. Just say temperature 19 For example… really easy!

So what's happening with Hybrid cars in China? Can they keep their free green Number plates? Are they issued yearly or for life?

people complain about Chinese EV‘s taking over the world but the fact is that there are a lot of European people providing the expertise to these companies so and without their input it’s quite likely that the industry would not be what it is today

And yet the fossil fools have been spreading around stories that "nobody" wants an EV anymore. Pure petrolganda! As for Tesla, I agree with your take completely, which is why I got rid of my Model 3 and now drive an Ioniq 5. I would like to hear your assessment of what the hell Tesla is doing by firing their Supercharger director and team. I've seen stupid decision by automakers, but THAT one takes the cake.

Try driving a Hydrogen car through the eurotunnel.....

Subscriber from virtually day 1.... Gone

Chery unveils cheaper $4100 Chery Ice Cream and $8000 Little Ant EVs The Electric Viking

What I would like to see is an ifixit teardown/repair index for each model of EV similar to phones. From youtube videos the BYD blade battery is a real pain, impossible to repair, while CATL batteries appear to be in prismatic blocks much easier to teardown and replace damaged cells.

I control my heater/aircon with the Rh steering wheel scroll wheel. Model S 2016.

I cannot see….any merit…. 🤔 …. in NOT starting to spread rumours that European and especially UK cities are going to follow Shanghai precedent and charge £10,000 to drive combustion engined vehicles within the city limits…. 👀 But great info from ER there 👍🏻

Xiaomi's SU7 is 11 inches (30cmish) longer than the Model 3. Sportier, especially the seating. Not much height in the back for Jack.

😄🥰Good day from Lismore, NSW. 👉Number of 133 sleeps to go👈 Our journey is not just a physical one but a journey of discovery and connection. Starting at the end of September 2024, we will circumnavigate Australia in two CYBERTRUCKs for six months. This journey will cover 22,000 kilometres, and it's not just about the distance but about the impact we can make along the way.

So, in the whole Beijing Motor show, was there any combustion vehicle? One hydrogen car from BMW was mentioned, and some PHEVs... but ZERO combustion cars??? China is passing 50% electric; legacy auto with their stubborn grip on combustion is being shown the exit from the world's largest car market. Amazing.

You kept taking about Zeekr cars and all I can think of is Zika virus. Unfortunate name.

If China allows the local huge 120,000 pound SUVs with 1000 HP why not the Cybertruck?

Tesla will soon be integrating the ChatGPT like system (Grok) into their cars. Then you can just talk to it and tell it what you want in natural language.