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The Full Story Behind the F-14 Tomcat Crash in Nashville 

Ward Carroll
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On January 29, 1996, a VF-213 F-14A crashed after performing a high-performance takeoff out of Nashville International Airport. The pilot, LCDR Stacy Bates, who had gone through the training that turned radar intercept officers into pilots, was known as an outstanding officer but a marginal pilot. This high performance takeoff was uncharacteristic for this pilot known for meticulous flight planning and strict adherence to the rules, but mishap investigators came to the conclusion he was showing off for his parents who were watching from a restaurant at the airport. The pilot, RIO, and three civilians on the ground were killed in the crash.
Outro song: "Navy Hymn" (aviator verse)
Correction: LT Higgins callsign was "HOB" ("head of bone"), not "Hawg." (Thanks to Purple Hayes for relaying that information.)

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@joelboyter152
@joelboyter152 3 месяца назад
I was part of the crash investigation team from Berry Field assisting the Navy. As an Air Guard member and Combat Visual Information Specialist (Videographer), I taped the initial findings of the on site crash investigator, walked through the entire site on the day of with the Navy investigators, and taped the aerial re-creation of the final glide path of the F-14 via an Army Guard Huey helicopter in the days that followed. Being Air Guard, I never heard the final report and appreciate your video covering this crash. Although the crash killed four, it occured late enough in the morning that there was little car taffic in the area and (thank goodness) the schools located outside of the area had already started for the day. (No kids involved) The house impacted was completely destroyed along with a car that was flipped over and burning. Several other houses close by had been rattled off their foundations. The entire cone shaped area of destruction was still smoking with several small fires still burning for several blocks when I got there. Myself and the crash investigator initially searched for the engines to try to determine if they were operating upon impact. Having so much mass, they had traveled the farthest from the crash site, along with the rear part of the jet which was upside down and burning along a tree line several blocks from the initial impact. The Tomcat is such a beautiful aircraft, seeing it like that is something I will never forget. I remember seeing the 20mm Gatlin gun twisted and bent around a tree and thinking what kind of force must have occured to do that to the gun barrels. Most of the front part of the plane was in pieces scattered all over the site, along with the landing gear jumbled and smoking in several piles. I seem to remember that the Navy brought that squadron's flight surgeon to the site to identify and recover the crew. It was a tough few days and I want to mention that the Navy personnel did a professional job and we assisted them without delay. We were activated only because we were the closest communications squadron to the crash site. Thoughts and prayers to the famlies and those lost.
@jamesmedina2062
@jamesmedina2062 День назад
Thank you Joel. Be well my friend👍
@modular182
@modular182 2 года назад
My Uncle flew the F-16. When I was in the 8th grade he was on a cross country flight and stopped at Tinker AFB to visit his family. When it was time for him to leave my grandmother, grandfather and I stood on the flight line to watch him take off. He did, (what I now understand to be), an unrestricted takeoff and went straight up into the sky, went inverted and then rolled upright as he headed out. I'm sure he did this to give us a show and impress his family. I don't think it's anything unusual for a fighter pilot to do this to make his family feel proud. I was 13 and even 30 years later think it's one of the coolest things I've ever witnessed.
@J_JetClips
@J_JetClips 2 года назад
thats awesome. and indeed it is not a abnormal occurrence. the mishap in this video wasnt hotdogging...just an unfortunate convergence of circumstances which lead to spatial D and a mishap.
@stephenbritton9297
@stephenbritton9297 2 года назад
I got to see a pair of F16's make an unrestricted climb on take off. 1990 if I remember correctly, Boy Scout trip to Cape Cod, we were staying on Otis AFB. We had gotten a chance to watch some F16's take off normally for a training mission from near the runway, then went to the base museum which was near the departure end of the active. As we finished up at the museum and came out side, two more F16's were SCREAMING towards us at full burner, then turned vertical and shot into the cloud deck a few thousand feet up. Tour guide said "they're going bear hunting." TU-95 Bears that is. Cold war wasn't quite over at this point mind you!
@slowb4lls1
@slowb4lls1 Год назад
Awesome. It’s very impressive to see any jet on a unrestricted take off like that they go up like a missile basically after getting up to around 400ish knots or so, I’m with you I love seeing them do that too
@enshk79
@enshk79 7 месяцев назад
of course it's not unusual, but only if you're a competent pilot. This guy clearly shouldn't have a been flying, and he killed four people.
@timsparks7049
@timsparks7049 2 года назад
Ward Typical outstanding job on a sensitive subject. I don't have anything more to add to this accident discussion. I refer to the retread program that "I had so much fun in Navy flight training that I went through twice!" The career gamble that all Retreads put on the line going through this cannot be minimized! Going back to our community as a "fallen angel" was an unknown but not relished. The halo effect I saw was real for some. Since I changed (involuntarily) warfare communities (EA-6B to A-6) I was not given that courtesy. I was an Airwing Strike lead by the end of my first tour in A-6 Intruders and not something that would have been accomplished by the equivalent first tour Naval Aviator. I buried a lot of friends, about 25 in total during my time in the Navy. The family's and broken lives from their loss is not something the general public grasps when they see the glamorous side of Naval Aviation. All Patriots doing a hard job! Sparky
@davidsmith8997
@davidsmith8997 2 года назад
Thanks for sharing your thoughts Sparky. I'm sure the fallen angel risk was very very sobering. Sounds like in this case a junior pilot made an impromptu plan and fell victim to a known killer, vertigo. Maybe I could ask you a question as a pilot Sparky- if he was bunting the plane over (negative g) would those negative g's generally help alleviate his vertigo sensation of being in a climb? Either way, sounds like a great guy who made a mistake and we've all been there, just with lesser consequences most of the time. Much respect.
@tonk4967
@tonk4967 2 года назад
@@davidsmith8997 The vertigo was a result of the negative g. If the pilot was not a proficient instrument flyer, he may have experienced some minor vertigo while in the clouds. As soon as he experienced negative g by pushing the nose over, the sensation of disorientation would have greatly increased. The worst I ever experienced was on a pitch black night and we were doing a training profile that the RIO selected that simulated shooting down a high altitude, mach 3 anti-ship cruise missile. The AIM-54 supposedly had the capability to do this. After simulating launching the missile, you would have to pull the nose up to near 90 degrees as the cruise missile passed overhead in order to maintain radar illumination of the target. After successful intercept, I had always previously continued pulling positive g until I got the nose back below the horizon and would then roll upright. On this night, for some unknown reason, I pushed forward to nose level and absolutely scrambled my brain. In daytime, this would not have been a big deal; you would be slightly disoriented for a short period of time and would quickly recover. On a dark night with no horizon, the tumbling sensation was horrible. I was in a mild panic contemplating trying to recover aboard the ship in this condition. Luckily I still had about 30 minutes before recovery time and was able to reorient myself sufficiently to get aboard, but I was probably killing snakes in the cockpit the whole time.
@timsparks7049
@timsparks7049 2 года назад
All Naval Aviators are trained to be excellent instrument pilots. Vertigo is not unusual and can happen even in straight and level flight. Reliance on the Instruments is ingrained into you. In this case his Vertigo was likely what caused the unusual attitude that he didn’t recognize quick enough to effect a safe recovery. Sparky
@davidsmith8997
@davidsmith8997 2 года назад
@@tonk4967 Thanks for the very helpful reply, that (no pun intended) makes sense. Logically, I was thinking if you think you're climbing (going against gravity) and you put on negative g's (going "with it") that might make you feel like you're falling and that would help you orient yourself. But as you explain it instead confuses you because you are expecting the opposite (keeping on positive g's). So it's a violation of expectations combined with unusual sensory inputs that messes things up and apparently keeps them that way for a while. Glad you make it back to the ship OK and also a cool story about intercepting high altitude Mach 3 missiles! Not surprisingly, I've never heard of that tactic before. Almost like the Eagle firing at satellites. Impressive that the Buffalo was capable of running down a Mach 3 high altitude cruise missile (Kh-22s?)!
@dennisgoff4723
@dennisgoff4723 2 года назад
@@tonk4967 - your relatable experience holds much wisdom for lesser experienced / skilled aviators. Flyboy community is in your debt. 👍🏼
@emilyhill3556
@emilyhill3556 6 месяцев назад
These were my great-grandparents who were killed. I was two years old at the time. I can't begin to describe the impact this tragedy had on my family from that day until the present time. It was a bizarre experience to watch this and hear their names again. I think you described/demonstrated what happened pretty well...just hard to see it.
@thegteam4349
@thegteam4349 6 дней назад
My sincere condolences to you and your family ❤
@jacksemporiumofstuff
@jacksemporiumofstuff 6 дней назад
I'm sorry to hear that. I use to live in the Madison area and remember the crash well. I always felt so bad for all the families involved.
@larrytaylor7753
@larrytaylor7753 2 года назад
Thanks, Ward. Well presented. My wife and I know Sprout’s widow and daughter. It has been a struggle for them.
@WardCarroll
@WardCarroll 2 года назад
Please pass them my best. Their husband/father was a good officer and great American.
@cycloneranger7927
@cycloneranger7927 2 года назад
@@WardCarroll Hoping you see this question... wondering if you can share any insights about how, and more importantly why, squadrons are established and disestablished? For example, many of the F-14 squadrons were disestablished and new F-18 squadrons created. Why not continue the legacy of historical squadrons? Why create new squadrons "unnecessarily?"
@gravitypronepart2201
@gravitypronepart2201 2 года назад
@@WardCarroll Amen
@micoma49
@micoma49 2 года назад
@@cycloneranger7927 Multiple factors go into why squadrons are established/dis-established; money/manning levels/current US military strategy based on the previous two/and etc, etc. To the second part - historical legacy was continued when the F/A-18s were introduced. It started with the transition of A-7 squadrons, then one A-6 squadron (VA-34), and finally one of the two F-14 squadrons from each carrier air wing (IIRC it was the non-TARPS squadrons which were axed). The only new F/A-18 fleet squadrons created were VFA-131/-132/-136/-137 back in '83-'85 when short-lived CVW-13 was created.
@2ZZGE100
@2ZZGE100 2 года назад
Prayers and strength to them
@On-Our-Radar-24News
@On-Our-Radar-24News 2 года назад
This one got me Ward! In the beginning I wanted to blame Sprout, his command, the Navy. In the end you said it best, "He was simply trying to be the best he could in an environment where your performance is graded by your peers, daily,"
@superflybguy2622
@superflybguy2622 Год назад
Ring Knockers covered for him and refused to ding another Anapolis grad.
@johnclifford1911
@johnclifford1911 9 месяцев назад
I think the squadron CO was at fault here, ultimately. The proximate fault for the crash belongs solely to the pilot. There was plenty of warning here; and too much overlooking and excusing, likely because the pilot was a great officer and a very hard worker, thus popular and respected... everyone wanted to see him succeed. This story begs the question as to whether hard work can compensate for a natural lack of ability. This pilot undoubtedly had the NATOPS memorized, but had repeatedly demonstrated some inability to apply his knowledge in a sufficiently timely manner. In his last crash, simply flying on instruments would have prevented the mishandling of the aircraft. How hard would it have been to glance at the gyro and airspeed... that's why they're there! Barring physical incapacity there may be a reason for this crash but not an excuse. I am not a naval aviator, I am a pilot. Any pilot knows, frankly, that flying can be very scary at times, especially when perception gets smacked by reality, but pilots have the obligation to not panic when unexpectedthings occur. When a pilot is described as being "behind the airplane" it means that he isn't able to think quickly enough to respond adequately and timely to evolving situations. This pilot was intelligent, athletic, and hard working... and had all indications of being able to think quickly. Yet, at critical times, under stress, he was perceived by multiple backseaters to fail. There's the problem, the 800 lb gorilla here that no one seems willing to mention out of respect for a nice, hard-working, good-looking, and popular guy. Because of it, a fatal crash was just a matter of when. His CO didn't do him a favor by overlooking repeated episodes of failing to handle stressful situations. The right thing would have been to ground him or revert him to an NFO. As leaders we cannot let our emotions sway us from making hard decisions.
@On-Our-Radar-24News
@On-Our-Radar-24News 9 месяцев назад
@@johnclifford1911 Lots of inner psychology revealing itself in this viewers comment. LOL
@rotorheadv8
@rotorheadv8 5 месяцев назад
@@superflybguy2622 I think that may have been an important factor.
@gravitypronepart2201
@gravitypronepart2201 2 года назад
Thank you Mr. Carroll, for this video. I knew you would do it one day. I was the PR shop Supervisor and was on the reclamation team for this as well. This was a life changing event for me. Both Mr. Bates and Mr Higgins were good guys, and I struggled with their loss. Prior to being stationed at VF-213, I was at the parachute loft at Miramar. As it turned out I was the CDQAR on the chute used by Mr Bates in his previous mishap. Shortly after he learned this, he brought his wife and baby daughter to the squadron spaces to show her off. I got to hold her for a second. None of this will ever leave my memory. Thank you for your straight foward telling of this, and for honering his and Mr. Higgins memory. Thanks again for your telling of Lt. Hultgreens syory. God bless.
@WardCarroll
@WardCarroll 2 года назад
Thanks for all you did and for your comment here.
@edwardwong654
@edwardwong654 6 месяцев назад
I respect how Ward says it like it is and balances the nuances and sensitivity of the matter. My ex-gf is a retired Naval E-2 Hawkeye aviator, and she is terrified when she is on the back of my motorbike or when I am hustling in my native NYC traffic. I am surprised but I never told her that I am former racing car driver (SCCA) and motorcycle road racer. I thank all who served our country.
@Willysmb44
@Willysmb44 2 года назад
Any time when the military is hemorrhaging people with a certain skill set, they change the standards because in the end; they need the people. I saw this in the Army for Company Grade officers. A few were helicopter pilots and one scared the living heck out of me. A lot of it is luck ad for when you showed up. The opposite happens as well when people aren't leaving the service as much; stellar people get turned down because the standards are too high and the service can pick and chose and consequently miss out on good people they'd dearly wish they had when the pendulum later swings the other way...
@alantoon5708
@alantoon5708 2 года назад
I am retired Army and of course read LTGEN Hal Moore's books. Moore stated that the most important personal trait for a leader to have is good judgment...
@lewgray1196
@lewgray1196 2 года назад
As always, great job of explaining what happened. I had 8.7 years in the Navy from the period 5/1955-12/1963 winged in late 1956 and ended my career with about 2,600 hours, about 2,400 hrs single engine jet. Made one tour in an Attack squadron flying the FJ-4B and last 2.5 years as instructor in Training Command. Most difficult decision I had to make regarding a student was to give a down to an Officer who decided he wanted to go through flight training after 5 years in a non aviation billet. We were in the same Air Group on my Lex cruise two years prior and I'm sure for the rest of his life he never forgave me. I felt I saved his life as well as others around him. I might add during my time in the fleet I saw CO's and ExO's who were given these billets after 3 or 4 years at a desk job. Pretty hairy watching from the 07 level.......I'll turn 88 this October and still get excited thinking about my time spent in the greatest fraternity in Aviation. Go Navy!
@callsignslick3118
@callsignslick3118 2 года назад
My first instructor in Primary told me, "Never do an airshow in front of people you know." It's hard to abide by that. Both times my folks saw me depart I requested, and was granted, an unrestricted climb.
@esteban1487
@esteban1487 11 дней назад
Yeah but what's an unrestricted climb in a Cessna? 🤣
@codyking4848
@codyking4848 8 дней назад
@@esteban1487 Slick was an F-16 pilot, smart guy.
@esteban1487
@esteban1487 8 дней назад
@codyking4848 who are you, his stalker? 🤣
@skipgetelman3418
@skipgetelman3418 2 года назад
As a retired pilot I am aware how disorienting some inflight scenarios can be I have had vertigo as a very new pilot but was lucky enough to get help from another crew member From then on I have always ignored my senses and only followed the instruments
@markgrissom5828
@markgrissom5828 2 года назад
Mooch, nice job. I was COMFITWINGPAC when this happened. VADM Rocky Spane made me fly to Chattanooga to debrief Stacey's parents on the JAG investigation. Very painful experience. I was a RIO to pilot transition and was very fortunate to have good timing and understanding COs, which made my transition enjoyable and successful. Dave Venlet and I cruised together in '83 or '84; he was a Pukin' Dog and I was a Ghostrider. FWIW, I never did like the "retread" moniker! Regards, Gus Grissom
@WardCarroll
@WardCarroll 2 года назад
Thanks, Gus. Great to see you here, sir.
@trojanalum2622
@trojanalum2622 2 года назад
Thank you for posting. I was in VF-213 88-91… I can tell you at the COC in 91 (I won’t mention his name) . The leadership, demeanor and culture changed negatively overnight, none like I ever experienced in other Tomcat squadrons. I transferred as the Blacklions departed for Lincoln’s maiden WestPac. Sadly it took so long to recover and rebuild the culture. I was in VFA-94 (CVW-11) in 2001 and sailed with the Blacklions aboard Vinson. It was so refreshing and heartwarming to see the Blacklions had returned to its former self as I had once known it. The Hobos were pretty damn good too. RIP Sprout and HOB. God Bless. ✌️🇺🇸
@woodysranch2690
@woodysranch2690 2 года назад
We lost two pilots on the CF-18 (Canadian) in a similar scenairo. The first was a burner departure from Inuvik, 6000 ft runway in January, so very cold and the sun never rose at this time of year. When the burners were deselected, apparently the inner ear sensations were so powerful, the attitude was deemed faulty and the aircraft never climbed above 1500 ft. The pilot pushed the aircraft over until it hit the ground a very short distance from the end of the runway and the barrent terrain provided no ground features to re-orient him. The second was an airshow pilot who requested a burner climb the day after the show. He stayed below a low cloud deck, circled and flew by the departure airport, then plugged in the burners and climbed - into cloud. Again, once the burners were deselected, the sensations took over and pushed over and impacted the water a short time later. Finally, after two fatalites, training and instruction was started to prevent this sort of accident in the future. The message here should be not to fault Stacey Bates. Apparently the feelings are very powerful in the absence of visual orientation clues. No new accidents, just new people.
@jimlthor
@jimlthor 2 года назад
As Ward was telling it, I hadn't considered the tricks that cutting off the burners, and slowing the acceleration would play on your inner ear. Thanks for clearing that up for me, even if unintentionally. It seems pretty obvious now
@davidpf043
@davidpf043 2 года назад
The HUD! How do you get disoriented like this when you are looking at the HUD which tells you your attitude.
@2ZZGE100
@2ZZGE100 2 года назад
@@davidpf043 In this case, the MIR said Stacy Bates stopped relying on his instruments as he suffered vertigo with clouds all around him caused fixation to what is going on outside.
@davidpf043
@davidpf043 2 года назад
@@2ZZGE100 Thinking more about the CF-18. F-14 HUD was pretty basic but CF-18 HUD was state of the art. In both cases, however, main instruments should have allowed recovery if they were used. Isn't that why we do all those unusual attitude recovery exercises in training? Wings level, nose smoothly to the horizon......
@2ZZGE100
@2ZZGE100 2 года назад
@@davidpf043 The F-14A HUD had the pitch indicator in it. The F-14D HUD was way superior to the ones in the Hornets. Way more information and customizable.
@kcpilot63
@kcpilot63 2 года назад
Good morning Ward, your outstanding natural ability to communicate is a gift that many would cherish. This drop is another example of your exceptional professionalism and the manner in which you communicate on a subject that deserves care due to the content is flawless. Another very interesting and very informative video. Thank you as always.
@JeffreyDean-in2xp
@JeffreyDean-in2xp 8 месяцев назад
Former Naval Aviator here. The Navy squadron world is exacting and unforgiving for very good reasons. Your reputation as a professional means everything. To have squadron mates refuse to fly with you tells me almost everything. Having Ops schedule around the problem tells me the rest.
@johnathonmullis4234
@johnathonmullis4234 2 года назад
I can only imagine how difficult it must have been to complete both front and backseat training for f-14s. I was fortunate enough to be AE on tomcats and I always had to do my very best. The margin for error was nonexistent. I went through f-14 specific classes with vf-124 in 1986 and Miramar was sweet. I didn’t know it at the time but I couldn’t have asked for better role models. My time as a “maintainer” taught me the importance of an education and motivated me to finish my college education. Much respect for you guys.
@harrylime3.143
@harrylime3.143 2 года назад
Sad video, RIP to all who died. Very stark reminder that military aviation is a dangerous profession. But there should be constant grading and evaluation of a pilots performance.
@brady3474
@brady3474 4 дня назад
There is. After every flight there detailed no limit, rank not considered, debrief of every flight where everyone gets an input. Then there is an annual fitness report given to each officer by his reporting superior that is an evaluation of the officer’s performance in all his jobs.
@jameshaas5922
@jameshaas5922 2 года назад
Many thanks for covering this difficult topic with such care. As one of the 11 retread aviators you mentioned I wanted to have this particular story humanized and you did just that. It's a tough one and I think I could see that in your presentation. The rest of my morning will be a quiet one. Thanks again.
@glennstasse5698
@glennstasse5698 6 месяцев назад
The choral tribute at the end of this video surprised me and brought a tear to my eye. The loss of life was not so apparent to me until then. Just a fantastic video.
@stevehicks8944
@stevehicks8944 2 года назад
I’ll never forget this accident. I was working at an FBO on BNA when Bates’s F-14A departed. I was busy so I couldn’t join my co-workers in watching the departure( the main east-west runway ran in front of our hanger). One of my co-workers ( a former F-14A plane captain) mentioned he couldn’t hear the engines in full afterburner; then we heard the “BOOM” of the explosion. It came from the Vicinity of Harding Rd. ( southwest of BNA). The actual crash site was less than a quarter of a mile from my apartment complex. The idiocy of the media in reporting the crash was the most maddening part of it. They kept calling Bates a “Lieutenant Colonel”, not a Lieutenant Commander. I finally called the news station involved and asked them IF they knew the difference between the two ranks; they had no idea. A few months later was when the Southwest Airlines 737-200 ran off the end of Runway 20R. The same idiot reporter who didn’t know the difference between a Lieutenant Colonel and a Lieutenant Commander was babbling about “reverse thrusters” (instead of THRUST REVERSERS), the failure of which is what caused the 737 to run off the runway.
@waltersistrunk4200
@waltersistrunk4200 2 года назад
Reporter are not smart people. And they receive NO training. A journalism degree is not training.
@dukecraig2402
@dukecraig2402 2 года назад
So the problem here was a reporter? No, it was a culture problem in Navy aviation, the third time I heard "Again, nothing was done" the bells of familiarity were ringing in my head. I'm an ex ironworker, a profession that itself filled with danger needless to say, I got hurt bad on a job years ago because of a boss that nobody would do anything about, because of culture. He was a drunk that showed up every morning screaming his head off at everyone because he was hungover and miserable, I'd complained about how unsafe I felt being on his crew, and believe me it took a lot for me to complain about feeling unsafe, but no one wanted to do anything about him because he was a legend in the Pittsburgh area having worked for American Bridge back in their glory days and being on the crew that built the US Steel building. He had me working in an area on the building that he had the crane swinging every piece over that was being set by the connecting crew, I immediately recognized the peril that day and said to myself "Keep an eye on that crane, this is bad news and a disaster waiting to happen if I've ever seen it". About an hour and a half into the morning I took my eye off that crane for one minute to concentrate on what I was doing, and then it happened, the crane operator didn't have a piece up high enough to clear me and cracked me on the back of the neck, I was in the worst place you could be for it to happen, on the perimeter of the building, thank God when he hit me he knocked me into a temporary column that was sticking up about 5 feet, last thing I remember before things got fuzzy was bear hugging that column. The impact on the back of my neck just off center to the right crushed the bundle of nerves that comes up from your right arm causing nerve damage in my right arm that I struggle with to this day 24 years later and effectively putting a time limit on how much longer I could work in that field. I probably could have gotten a pretty penny out of that accident but after a short amount of time off and the doctor's telling me that I was recovered about as well as I was ever going to be I told them if they didn't sign a release for me to go back to work I'd find one that would, I lasted about 2 more years hanging iron but the numbness in my right arm got to the point where I just couldn't do it anymore. I never sought legal action for damages or anything like that, I just said to myself "You knew what you were getting into and the dangers you faced when you got into that profession don't go crying to a lawyer now, put your big boy pants on and suck it up because the fact is you could just as easily been killed", I figured I got the glory of being an ironhead for as long as I did (there's nothing like having a gorgeous secretary in an office building across the street holding up a sign she made that says "I Love You" with her phone number on it) and got to experience a life most guy's only dream of so why cry about the inevitable. But the fact is it was because of the culture that I got hurt, I wasn't the first guy to complain to someone about the way that boss ran his crew, I can handle danger in life but not stupid danger. Since no longer being able to work as an Ironhead I got into the profession of being a logger which is also a dangerous occupation, and the next time that I felt I was being exposed to stupid danger and nothing was done about it I walked, because the next time I might not be that lucky. That pilot was killed for the same reason I got hurt, a culture problem, I'm also a military veteran and saw it in there before I saw it as an ironworker, the RIO's that refused to fly with him were smart, they knew the difference between danger and stupid danger.
@stephenbritton9297
@stephenbritton9297 2 года назад
I once had a report not know that fire hydrants were connected to the water mains. Just thought they were some kinda well...
@dukecraig2402
@dukecraig2402 2 года назад
@@thomasfoster2 Yea I really care what you think.
@dzjc01
@dzjc01 2 года назад
So how are "idiot reporters" supposed to know the difference between Military ranks? Especially if they typically don't cover Military-related stories? Get over yourself.
@jamesbasham5439
@jamesbasham5439 Год назад
I graduated high school in 1980 at Tyner high school with Stacy, I'm also a ten year Navy veteran. My prayers go out to all that were involved in this terrible accident. Stacy was an outstanding individual, & the kind of young man that you just couldn't say anything negative about. He truly was a decent, good person. R.I.P.
@robertmcclure9674
@robertmcclure9674 2 года назад
Cdr Carrol, This was a tough one for me to read. As usual, you analyzed all the available information with great skill. I was the CMC of VF-213 during this time. I new LtCdr Bates well. His DH office was next to mine. He was one of the best Officers I have ever met. Smart, fit, hard working. Great man who cared about the crew. Those were tough times. I’m a big fan of your web site.
@Nigel2Zoom
@Nigel2Zoom 2 года назад
A very sad tale indeed. My heart goes out to all those affected by this tragic incident. Having served in the Naval Aviation community as an enlisted member, I'm very appreciative of Ward Carroll's efforts and his ability to explain sometimes complicated subjects with his videos. I look forward to each installment.
@edwardparker8853
@edwardparker8853 2 года назад
As always excellent! Lt Chris Parker, VF-213 76-80, RAG Inst VF-124 80-82, medically retired 83, Corporate pilot 84-2006.
@2ZZGE100
@2ZZGE100 2 года назад
Unfortunately, remember reading his parents trying to suggest the TF-030 engines suffered compressor stall, which USN quickly dismissed saying the engines were functioning perfectly fine and were delivering full power in the vertical climb according to all evidence.
@bearowen5480
@bearowen5480 2 года назад
Mooch, I applaud your thoroughgoing fairness and sensitivity which you brought to this very tough episode in Naval Aviation. You moved up another notch on the very high esteem chart I already held for you as a fellow Naval combat aircrewmember. A subdued Bravo Zulu under very difficult circumstances. In my 26-year career in Marine and Air National Guard tactical aviation, I had the opportunity to observe the airmanship of a number of "retreads", both Air Force, and Marine Corps. Objectively speaking, some were highly competent and some were marginal or weak. I'm somewhat agnostic about whether Sprout's accident was contributed to by the "retread effect" or not. Nevertheless, because the "retread" program was obviously controversial at flag rank level, and because this tragic accident and loss of civilian life was so high profile, it should come as no surprise that it garnered special interest in the Pentagon and on Capitol Hill. Post-crash, the investigation was inevitably bound to bring very close scrutiny to this pilot's flight records and training history. Your respectful but fair report inclines me to believe that although he was technically qualified, that as you suggested through the testimony of the squadron RIOs who bravely took the difficult decision to refuse to fly with him, that he was indeed still "behind the airplane" even after a full cruise and a trip to Top Gun. I say "bravely" refused to fly with him for the following reason: I think the average NFO, RIO, B/N, or ECWO, would naturally be biased favorably toward overlooking even an inexperienced "retread's" weakness in piloting skills, because most if not all would regard him as "one of their own" and want him to succeed as an aviator. I've observed that NFO's and WSOs often unsuccessfully hid such bias in social conversations about a pilot that everyone obviously knew to be a "retread". Sprout's peers and immediate superiors, CO and XO, were apparently all cognizant of his persistent efforts to improve his skills as an aviator while meticulously performing his collateral duties as a department head and Naval officer. This may have caused most of them to "cut him some slack" in the cockpit while he struggled to master all aspects of the Tomcat's complicated multi-role mission and demanding shipboard ops. As young fighter/attack/recce pilots, we all made mistakes, but for the vast majority of us, we were talented or lucky enough to survive while learning from them. Even the most self-controlled and prudent of us couldn't always resist the opportunity to "shine our ass" a little, especially for an audience of family or friends whom had just been visited for the weekend on a cross country training flight far away from the critical eyes of the brass back at the "home drome". I confess that I did my share of unrestricted climbs to demonstrate to grateful citizens and proud family members what they were getting for their precious tax contributions. I even did some into IMC at McChord, where it seemed there was always a solid 2,000' overcast when it came time to depart! So I understand what most likely happened here. (There but for the grace of God go I!) A normally cautious and professional Naval Aviator who understood his own relative inexperience and skills limitations allowed his ego to overcome his typically prudent judgment, and perform an aggressive transition from rapidly accelerating initial flight with visual references, to a steep climb in solid instrument meterological conditions without mental preparation and proper anticipation for that rapid transition to the gages and the attendant sirens of false physical sensory inputs. The result was severe spatial disorientation, and tragically unsuccessful recovery from an extreme, unusual attitude, five fatalities, two widows, one orphan, two devastated parents, and the loss of an irreplaceable national defense asset. With hindsight, very understandable, but indescribably sad for all concerned, including us. Good work, Mooch. I know this one had to be a really hard one for you, but maybe, just maybe, you saved a life or two out there. God speed. Bear sends.
@WardCarroll
@WardCarroll 2 года назад
Thanks, Bear.
@Chio_OB
@Chio_OB 2 года назад
I respect your honest unbiased telling of this tragic event and the events leading up to it. RIP to all casualties.
@RTD8481
@RTD8481 2 года назад
Wow. Thank You Ward for posting this video. I know it’s difficult for Bates’ family and any of us whether an aircrew or maintenance member to see these or experience them first hand. I served with VF213 from 89-93. I served as an enlisted member serving in the Line Div, later moving to AF/CC. I was aboard USS Abraham Lincoln. I remember Lt Stacy Bates. So sad when I heard of the tragedy on the news back in my hometown of Chicago. We previously also lost another 213 pilot. Lt Matt Claar. I knew Lt Bates. If memory serves me I can recall a conversation on the flight line of his call sign being “Master”. :). The still shots of the Blacklion aircraft brought back a ton of memories. It’s sad when we hear of these tragedies happening. Especially when it’s someone we served under. I thought Lt Bates was a great member of the squadron. I hope with these tragedies some good comes out of it to keep the members and civilians safe.
@leightonemitchellify
@leightonemitchellify 2 года назад
I was in VF-213 from 87-89 as an AME. At the time Bates was an Aardvark. He went through transition training with LT Isley. He was a good guy.
@emilkurtcarson1907
@emilkurtcarson1907 4 месяца назад
Vertigo is disabling and can show up w/o warning. Flew as 1st Mech at VMGR 352, & got vertigo on a night hello AR over San Clemente Island. All because I was watching the commercial traffic at LAX while awaiting the receivers. 1 min, copacetic and then next, I can't tell which way is up and trying not to barf. My time was in excess of 600 hrs, and I didn't get motion sickness, ever! Humbling experience. Semper Fi
@TheDorseylgnc
@TheDorseylgnc 2 года назад
I remember this crash. I lived an hour to the east in Cookeville, TN at the time and it definitely got a lot of coverage when it happened.
@trumanhw
@trumanhw 2 года назад
Aside from being an aviation historian ... you REALLY are such a gentleman, and ambassador (beyond reproach) in how you conduct yourself. The pilot and NFO community (as I infer from you and your guests) make clear where the phrase "Officer and a Gentleman" come from. Thank you for living up to that lofty standard, for being a ROLE model, and of course, all the education you've provided us (and myself).
@davidpf043
@davidpf043 2 года назад
Darrell Gary (Condor) went back through the pilot pipeline after his tour as one of the initial cadre Topgun instructors as a RIO. I crewed with him my first cruise in VF-51 and he was a superb pilot. Probably helped than he was a NAVCAD so he was several years younger than most retreads. After that cruise, he went back through Topgun as a pilot and then did an instructor tour with Topgun as a pilot. Probably unique in doing Topgun instructor tours as both a RIO and pilot.
@livingadreamlife1428
@livingadreamlife1428 2 года назад
Thorough and tactful presentation that covers the career of a naval aviator and the details of his accidental death, along with those of his RIO and three civilians. Sprout obviously had a close relationship with his parents and they were proud of his career accomplishments. Prayers for all who were involved.
@timgosling6189
@timgosling6189 2 года назад
The problem with these cases is that we have 20/20 hindsight and we can see the chain of events taking shape, the holes in the cheese starting to align. As a former sqn authoriser I can say that it's often a lot more difficult to pull these things together when you're actually on the spot, and you don't send complete numpties to Top Gun! Also, although we have the key events leading up to the accident we do not have the details of circumstances and conversations within which decisions about this pilot were made. Without such details we can have opinions but they will not necessarily be valid. As to the accident itself, the human factors issues are not new and I myself lost a friend and colleague in a similar loss of SA during a night toss training sortie prior to Gulf War 1. Military aviation is a dangerous business that we mitigate as much as we can, and thankfully these events are now rare. But that doesn't make them any less raw for friends, family and colleagues. RIP Stacey.
@stuartbothwell6399
@stuartbothwell6399 2 года назад
As a former Army Aviator, and Aviation Maintenance Officer/ Safety Officer, I have seen aviation events/incidents/accidents from all sides of the aviation spectrum. I would say that combat aviators can be aggressive, push an envelope, test their skills and abilities on a regular basis. Bravado? ...yes and no. Showing-off? ...Maybe! Approaching their aviation limits, maybe testing them? Yes! That is the progression of a RAG pilot to an opposing solo position on the Blue Angles! If a pilot told me I don't make mistakes, I'd call him a liar. Every pilot makes mistakes, really stupid mistakes, and that seat cushion tastes like shit! (pucker factor) Everything said this guy was a great Naval Officer, and a capable pilot who's experience level, as a pilot, was maybe a tour behind! In my case, the military taught me aviation, and because of the intermittent nature of flying in the Army in the '80, flying a 1000 hours in 8 years, in spurts. I learned in the Army, but really gained experience flying outside the Army in ENG, offshore and MediVac Operations. (100 hours/month) On his accident flight his flight regime (high performance t/o penetrating weather) exceeded his flight abilities. Another of thousands that ended tragically!
@bobchronister3429
@bobchronister3429 2 года назад
The loss of any Naval Aviator officer or enlisted is always sad. Superb work Ward with a very difficult subject.
@michaelmappin4425
@michaelmappin4425 6 месяцев назад
That was one of your best presentations. I appreciate the detail. I remember the news stories but never heard much more. Thanks Mooch.
@dougpendleton1266
@dougpendleton1266 5 месяцев назад
Thank you Ward, very objective and professional presentation. I can only imagine how difficult it was to for you to make this report.
@aaronhrk
@aaronhrk 2 года назад
A sobering reminder of the incredible risks associated within the realm of Naval aviation - let alone military aviation - during peacetime & training operations. Lest we forget 😪
@glennhanson6168
@glennhanson6168 2 года назад
I was in the squadron during this time. The RIO’s call sign was HOB. “Head of Bone”. Great guy and a big fan of Sam Adams 😁. We were crewed together during SFARP. Flew on Sprouts wing and have my opinions on the flat spin. I’ll leave it at that. Those were some dark days in the squadron but an incredible group of Americans I’ll never forget. Good video.
@richardshipman2964
@richardshipman2964 2 года назад
Really good episode about a difficult subject. I experienced a similar situation as an advanced jet training instructor when many Marine helicopter pilots were transitioning to jets. These were mostly mid rank officers who were highly decorated Vietnam veterans, but their fixed wing time was limited to training command T-34s and T-28s. In many ( but certainly not all) cases, they were not as receptive to instruction as the typical student and they tended to to think their seniority and experience counted for more than it did. It was tough evaluating them as critically as you would a traditional student and I suspect some slipped through, as did the pilot in this episode.
@Bagabonda
@Bagabonda 6 дней назад
My wife and I lived in the Knob Hill Villa Apartments (just across I-24 from the Luna Drive crash site) when the crash occurred. I heard the jet's engines, then heard a horrible "thud" which shook the windows, followed by silence. I looked out the window (we were on the 3rd floor) and saw the fireball on the hilltop across the freeway, houses all around it. I knew instantly that someone--or perhaps many people, had just lost their lives. I have never before or since experienced that feeling. I feel sick even thinking about it. I can only imagine what our military personnel must experience, perhaps witnessing death many times. Needless to say, the crash was all Nashville was talking about for quite a while after the tragedy. Coincidentally, our best friends now live on Luna Drive, about a half mile from the crash site. Thank you, Ward, for this insightful presentation and for your service.
@Utahdropout
@Utahdropout 2 дня назад
It's a danger business and it is a tribute to those who do it that more of these "mishaps" don't happen. Vertigo is a terrible thing that can cause one to be totally disabled. I know, I've been there. Thanks again Ward for such a caring and professional presentation of the facts. You're the best.
@paulmcvicar6857
@paulmcvicar6857 2 года назад
Playing the “Navy Hymn” at the end of this episode was a thoughtful touch.
@soundknight
@soundknight 2 года назад
That was quite moving, thanks for including those closing remarks.
@mikecorlett1305
@mikecorlett1305 2 года назад
I remember this incident well but was never aware of the details. As with almost all aviation accidents, the cause is a result of a chain of events. Thanks, Ward, for highlighting the links in this accident so comprehensively.
@troylee5085
@troylee5085 4 дня назад
Cdr Carrol enjoy your videos served enlisted on the Ranger and coral Sea on VF 191 and VF 154. Those were the days.. Unless you served you just dont know how dangerous it was for both pilots and crew. Thank you for your service.
@brendanhayes2752
@brendanhayes2752 2 года назад
Always great to hear your commentary.
@dwaynekoblitz6032
@dwaynekoblitz6032 6 месяцев назад
I've quickly come to really appreciate the level of detail and explanation of the flying community. Including unfortunately the bad parts. R.I.P. to all involved.
@ElectronFieldPulse
@ElectronFieldPulse 13 дней назад
This channel has made me realize how ridiculously hard being a fighter pilot is. I already thought flying something like a 747 was really hard, but damn being a fighter pilot is terribly difficult.
@baruchba7503
@baruchba7503 2 года назад
Tough video. It's never easy to adequately represent the facts without jumping to conclusions. You represented the subject matter while maintaining the dignity of the deceased. Job well done. My thoughts and prayers go out to the families of the victims.
@Defender78
@Defender78 2 года назад
careless Uber drivers can get bumped from the app if enough "downs" are given to them by passengers. Maybe the same could have been done for Lt. Cmdr. John Stacy Bates and his ability as a pilot that had plenty of shortcomings. My similar story...I was "relieved" of an advanced training slot at my civilian job a decade ago.. it wasn't flying F-14s but was making zoning maps. At the time, 2013, I was going through alot personally, and (hear 13:11 "stop him from flying") I was not a natural (hear 14:36) mapper aka pilot, and I was taken off the advanced training course as I was not making great progress in the procedures. I was a liability, I knew it, I didn't complain when I was given a bland review for the year, and also gracefully accepted it when two fellow employees were shuffled ahead of me in the course and were promoted past me :/ But i fully admit that my lack of aptitude in the mapping course got me removed from it, i fully agreed with my manager's move to put me back to the standard workflow. However, i committed myself to relearning the material over the course of the next year. I eventually worked my way back into the advanced mapping workflow on my second go-around with them. Now I am in line to become the supervisor of the mapping team of my department! But maybe in some cases, like LTCOM John Stacy, and also the Pilot who crashed the B-52, and Pilot Kara Hultgreen, I'm sure they knew themselves that they should have been relieved but refused to accept the downs and FNEABS.
@baruchba7503
@baruchba7503 2 года назад
@A Chaps Mooch covered this precise topic, and the CO was relieved. Enough was said; anymore detracts from the dignity of the deceased. My father taught me to never speak I'll of the departed, because they are not able to defend themselves. In all, I think the Navy does a good job evaluating candidates and pilots. Unfortunately, there are some exceptions. My father was a "black shoe" sailor, and I know the Navy well. I grew up in Coronado. I even tried to become an aviator, but my eyesight kept me out--depth perception problems. Mooch, job well done.
@safetymikeengland
@safetymikeengland 2 года назад
Ward does a great job of explaining some really tough stuff.
@allenyarberry7502
@allenyarberry7502 2 года назад
Well done covering the facts without emotion. Sad to see when we loose aviators . A tough job that is often unforgiving when mistakes are made. Keep up the good work on the channel. As a P-3 guy, I enjoy what you bring to the table. BZ!!!!
@toddewire13
@toddewire13 2 года назад
Very Tastefully done, communicated very well thank you so much Commander
@bodazaphfa
@bodazaphfa Год назад
I personally remember this timeframe. After all of this chaos, the DoN did a major staff change and brought in CDR Clemente as CO and MMCPO AFCM Keith Holbert, who turned VF-213 around to a Battle-E standard squadron. This was also the timeframe when VF-213 transitioned to Oceana (HGR 500), along with other squadrons from Miramar. It was pretty rough for a while.
@CoondawgPD
@CoondawgPD 2 года назад
Tragic. I remember this incident as we, my wife and I, were at her fathers house just northwest of there when this occurred. Rest easy warriors.
@KutWrite
@KutWrite 2 года назад
Sobering. Touch of humor on HOB's callsign. An interesting story behind it, I'm sure. Maybe behind Sprout's too. RIP to AllCon.
@billyslide7645
@billyslide7645 2 года назад
I live in Nashville and sadly, remember this event very clearly. I had an office near Nashville airport and had witnessed several fun high performance arrivals and take offs. Fortunately, I did not see this event. Additionally, I lived in that part of town, where they came down. Thank you for a clear and neutral presentation of this mishap.
@raybates3119
@raybates3119 Год назад
Great job as always, Ward. This one was special to me as Stacy was my first cousin. I attended his Memorial Service at Mirimar and have a copy of the accident investigation report. You did an outstanding job of presenting all of the relevant facts. I can verify that Stacy worked tirelessly and was very proud to be a Naval Aviator. He was not a "hot dog" but was very humble and quiet. He was indeed a fitness, nutrition, and overall health enthusiast. I have a VF-213 patch that he gave me the last time I saw him, a year or so before the accident. RIP to all who perished that day.
@erictaylor5462
@erictaylor5462 2 года назад
My dad was a highly experienced IFR certified CFI pilot with many hours in actual IMC. On this night he was performing a night VFR flight over a populated area so he had a well defined horizon thanks to the city lights below. While rolling out of a bank after a turn the lights bellow along with all outside references suddenly vanished. He knew at once he had flown into an unseen cloud which would not have been a problem but possibly due to the recent turn he felt quite strongly he was in a bank. He checked his instruments and they all said he was wings level, but every fiber of his being was telling him he was in a band. He knew if he tried to correct the bank it would only intensify the feeling, prompting him to increase the bank. This would create a feedback loop ending with the wings coming off or coming out of the clouds in a steep nose down attitude and in a sharp bank. He had never experienced vertigo as a pilot before and was surprised at how strong the urge to correct the bank was. Though he knew from the instruments that there was no bank, this did nothing to lessen the feeling or the urge. Eventually the city lights returned along with the horizon, right where the instruments said it was. The feelings of vertigo vanished at once but it left him badly shaken, and for the first time he understood why the spiral of death is so common. It gave him a great story to pass to his students. The human vestibular system was never meant to work on an airplane, and it really sucks in that environment. It makes the "seat of your pants" a lying ass. It is critical if you find yourself in IMC, even if you are not IFR qualified, to trust your instruments and ignore that urge to correct what you feel the airplane is doing. What you feel it doing, it's not doing that. Even a student pilot on their first solo should have to ability to use the attitude indicator and or the turn and bank indicator to orient the airplane in space. That is all you need to do. You don't need an IFR rating to do that. Once you get the plane settled call a mayday on the radio and get help from the ground. That is what they are for. VFR into IMC is an emergency, especially if the pilot is not IFR qualified. Worry about the trouble you might be in after you land. You have to be alive to be in trouble, so in a case like this, you actually *WANT* to be in trouble. These bad weather accidents are 100% avoidable so long as you are prepared. And you really have no business in the cockpit if you are not prepared. Fly safe
@georgehaeh4856
@georgehaeh4856 2 года назад
I was right seat in a Viscount simulator when the left seat guy got the airplane upside down and kept it there for 16,000' while I was shouting at him that he was upside down and had to get back to right side up. He just sat there without a word all the way down. When the pilot flying gets himself and the airplane into an imminent crash, don't just sit there - take the controls and recover. If you can't and are lucky enough to be in an ejection seat, use it while you are still in the envelope.
@jefferymaxfield7826
@jefferymaxfield7826 2 года назад
My buddy an AOCS signed safe for flight for that bird. He very distraught thinking he made a mistake until report came out.
@cockatoo010
@cockatoo010 2 года назад
As always, great job,Mooch! This was heartbreaking
@richhoffman3218
@richhoffman3218 2 года назад
Mooch, Another brilliant historical account that goes above and beyond the contemporary news of the day. Thank you for your honorable and insightful tribute to those who perished.
@joshuaboyle7585
@joshuaboyle7585 2 года назад
I thoroughly enjoy all of your videos. You especially handle the tragic human elements very well and without personal judgment. Thank you.
@georgeyoung1810
@georgeyoung1810 2 года назад
Another great video Ward, thanks
@andrewpinner3181
@andrewpinner3181 2 года назад
Thanks for the video Ward. Very sad and tragic for all involved.
@Ayelmar
@Ayelmar 2 года назад
I was there at the time of the crash -- almost literally. From what I've been able to work out, they passed low over the apartment buildng where I was sleeping (worked a night shift at the time), and either the noise of the close pass or the explosion woke me. They must have stayed with the plane to avoid the multiple dense apartment complexes on that side of I-24, and crashed about 900 meters from me.... "Eternal Father, strong to save...."
@einard.helseth2534
@einard.helseth2534 2 года назад
Great video Ward. This is a story ive been waiting for. You fill out all the blanks with your videos Ward. Keep em coming.
@abricio
@abricio 2 года назад
Another great video, done very with a lot of taste and respect.
@thomasquinn284
@thomasquinn284 2 года назад
Masterfully presented factual presentation of a tragic aircraft event.
@brendanhayes2752
@brendanhayes2752 2 года назад
Great commentary. Thanks
@jamesbowman5062
@jamesbowman5062 Год назад
Thank you Ward.
@markbrown4442
@markbrown4442 2 года назад
Nicely done, Mooch
@caseyholland7860
@caseyholland7860 2 года назад
Excellent video Mooch, I like the tribute at the end
@ericjayjohn4388
@ericjayjohn4388 2 года назад
What a tragedy! As always, a great, detailed presentation Mooch!
@tipater
@tipater 2 года назад
Good work Ward, as usual.
@NateParkerPhoto
@NateParkerPhoto 2 года назад
Oh snap Nice Hat! Longtime follower, I'm getting my LP this summer- Salute!
@darthvader5072
@darthvader5072 2 года назад
Good job telling a difficult story. I think you’re the right person to tell these stories that might otherwise be lost to history. RIP to everyone lost that day.
@58fins
@58fins 2 года назад
Excellent presentation! And educational. Thank You, Sir!
@IRoNCLaW
@IRoNCLaW 2 года назад
Respect to all of you aviators. Well put together and informative video.
@gnmatsu
@gnmatsu 2 года назад
Thank you Ward. Another great, heart felt video. Always remembering there are real people involved and affected here. Aloha.
@randymichel459
@randymichel459 2 года назад
Outstanding breakdown over what happened.
@leightonemitchellify
@leightonemitchellify 2 года назад
Thanks Ward. You are a great storyteller. I asked you to do this story a while back. I knew Bates when I was in his sister squadron, and talked to him in VF-124. He was a cool guy.
@gsaunds100
@gsaunds100 2 года назад
Nicely done, Mooch. Beautiful touch, closing with the Navy Hymn.
@jamessimms415
@jamessimms415 5 дней назад
I remember this incident. I was living in Mobile, AL just fired/‘let go’ from a training program. Also remember I talked to someone later on, maybe a day or two later. Fortunately, I dodged two bullets as both companies were belly up.
@TeemarkConvair
@TeemarkConvair 2 года назад
well presented, thanks
@terrymoore6705
@terrymoore6705 2 года назад
Thank you sir for this episode it means a lot to me
@t34bravo
@t34bravo 3 дня назад
Love Ward's videos
@williambryce8527
@williambryce8527 2 года назад
Well done Ward. Super sad story that needed to be told.
@michaelowens4797
@michaelowens4797 11 месяцев назад
You keep impressing me with your stories and fairness in tellig them thank you
@frisk151
@frisk151 8 месяцев назад
Watched this previously... Definitely worth watching it again today...
@riggodrill
@riggodrill 2 года назад
Sad story. Dangerous work by brave people. Forever grateful.
@tinyskustoms
@tinyskustoms 2 года назад
Beautiful ending. Total class act, Sir. Thanks for another great brief.
@mervwhitney7229
@mervwhitney7229 2 года назад
Another well told story. Thank you
@keithstalder9770
@keithstalder9770 5 месяцев назад
Well done, as always Ward, thanks a million.
@robkoons2100
@robkoons2100 2 года назад
Excellent video and analysis of a very sad and tragic incident. I remember the controversy of retreads while I was at the Rag Vf101.
@alanwalsh4021
@alanwalsh4021 22 часа назад
Absolutely Tragic. Rest easy aircrew & civilians.
@georgeburns7251
@georgeburns7251 2 года назад
Another great video.
@TheCleb21
@TheCleb21 2 года назад
Great episode, especially enjoy the information coming from an insider with first hand knowledge….
@JerryDLTN
@JerryDLTN 4 месяца назад
I saw that crash happen. I was driving east on the bridge above I-24. I saw into cockpit as they did all they could before hitting the houses. Two admirals came to my house to interview me about what I saw.
@jg2864
@jg2864 Месяц назад
I did too I used to live in the apartments in Antioch I cant remember the name of them but I was UNA elementary i think in the 3rd grade when this happened. I can still remember feeling the ground shake and see the fireball rise up in the distance over the trees.
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