The Fundamental Problem with Well of Radiance in Destiny 2 | Destiny 2 Design Analysis

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"Born to Nova, Forced to Well"
Well of Radiance was released as a new Super for Solar Warlocks during the Forsaken Expansion in Destiny 2. Since then, Well of Radiance has shaped the way Destiny 2 has been designed and played. Warlock mains are always asked to switch from their favorite builds to Well of Radiance in any activity they join. Is Well of Radiance healthy for the game? How does it affect players, as well as the designers? Today's video is all about finding answers to these questions.
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@samuelhofer7099 8 месяцев назад

With Bungie announcing the nerf for Well, if nothing is preemptively adjusted PvE side, i see this being the biggest form of reverse power creep possible by Bungie. It's been five years and it has only gotten stronger, and is very accessible. There's no shot this isn't one of, if not THE biggest factor Bungie uses for tuning high end content. If we either lose some of that healing, bonus damage, or both, many damage phases and ad heavy missions are going to be much more rough, as it currently stands. Like, look at that GM gameplay, imagine not having Well for that. When you don't have a Well, you're forced to play like you did at the boss, peck at each enemy from a cheesy hidey hole for a solid 10 to 15 minutes per encounter. Hoping a Well nerf means Bungie can tone those enemies down a tad, so I'm not getting two or three tapped, and having to dump a dozen mags into a single miniboss. I get it, master raids, solo dungeons, GMs, etc aren't for everyone, but it isn't hard playing like that, just extremely time consuming- I'm not testing my skill, I'm testing my patience- but i understand why it's there, because you got a master key of a support ability like Well. If it were nerfed before Well, those achievements would be increasingly meaningless. That being said, i am excited for it, i want to use other things as Warlocks have a lot of really fun kits, just hope Bungie retunes other parts of the game as well to match.

@xzcrimzonomegazx9143 8 месяцев назад

Too many people don't know the difference between difficult and tedious Most of destiny's content isn't difficult it's tedious I hate how everything is a bullet sponges

@aintgotnophd2196 8 месяцев назад

@@xzcrimzonomegazx9143completely agree. Would much rather have more enemies instead of bullet sponges. Or rather harder hitting enemies or something. Just anything other than sponges. Sponges aren’t hard, just tedious

@samuelhofer7099 8 месяцев назад

@@xzcrimzonomegazx9143 Exactly! I like the occasional GM, but I only do each once or twice a season, because i just don't have the time to allow me to farm when it's 30 or 40 minutes per run.

@samuelhofer7099 8 месяцев назад

@@aintgotnophd2196 And that's the issue i have with Battlegrounds most of the time, it's both a lot of ads, hard hitting ads, and very spongy ads at the same time

@Errant_ 8 месяцев назад

Non-meme comment, good video. Well is a huge, massive design-trap for the game. Bungie is making efforts to discourage/make it harder to move with moving damage phases and fights like Rhulk, but it still remains a huge problem for them to design around. I don't hate this as a solution, but no other super forces them to make such sweeping design considerations like that. I would like to see a future where Well isn't killed off but the idea of doing something hard(even like a contest mode raid) without a Well is a totally viable idea.

@jester88ization 8 месяцев назад

Made a similar comment myself and think Well retaining it's role as a roam based super for GMs and Master raids and away from the go to choice for a 1600 raid dps phase is a healthy change. Just did my master Crota clear yday and we kept asking for more and more wells om LFG because they get broken. In the end the key was to drop a well for a burning maul titan. Cleared after 2 more attempts.

@DorkyDanMan 4 месяца назад

I feel a huge problem is how they keep designing encounters. If you want me to have a dps phase, why the hell did they make it where you basically need to shoot in one spot while the boss shoots at you constantly with adds shooting as well. It's like, "No shit we have to use well, you make the boss almost kills us instantly if we don't have constant healing." Either make the boss dps phase be not about trying to survive an onslaught of damage while trying to dps, or make the boss chase us around where we can't use a well and have to dps while avoid them. Nezarec could have been a great boss if he would have teleported us into a flat arena and chased us down, instead we just seen on a platform he can't climb in a well.

@delta_1632 8 месяцев назад

I think the main issue balancing Well isn't as simple as just the ability itself. I think Destiny just is a game where Well as an Ability type doesn't belong. The whole "support" aspekt is a novel concept in MMOs, but since Destiny is more of a half baked MMO (it's just a different type of game not a bad one), that's just not the type of game it should be considered as. Support is a cool roll for people to play, the issue for Destiny is there is no other support alternative. Nothing else comes close to Well. Bubble might as well not even be in the game. It's like if in Wow you would only have one healing class in the entire game. It's an insanely strong roll that when available is indispensable for teamplay and if there is no alternative option, of course it's gonna be used all the time. In my Eyes no matter what bungie does, until there can be an alternative to well's roll (keeping your fireteam alive) nothing will keep Warlocks from getting defaulted to it in the future.

@darriuscole8544 3 месяца назад

^This. Bungie does not seem to understand the concept of defense. The greatest offensive buff is to be alive to fire your weapon. Anything that keeps players alive is going to get used. There are no "healing hunters". If there were, they would get used at lot.

@jake_break 8 месяцев назад

Well has become mostly mandatory for almost all damage phases like you stated. It’s hard to base the Destiny class designs around typical MMO archetypes of support, tank, and dps, as the game does emphasize solo play and isn’t a true MMO. So therefore each class has to have access to aspects of the three archetypes. Well has absolutely outclassed Titans Ward of Dawn. Suggesting changes is tricky. I think a good first step would be to tune down the healing so you aren’t basically immune to damage and reduce the damage buff. Bubbles’s damage buff was reduced a while ago, but still limits the player as they need to step out of the bubble to do damage. I think Bubble should give a higher damage buff and safety only when in the bubble to compensate. And the trade off would be that Well allows you to do damage without leaving it, but with a lower damage buff. Great video once again!

@delta_1632 8 месяцев назад

The issue is that after doing that, we would basically be going back to using Bubble and Well every DMG phase, instead of just Well. Although I gotta agree that that would still be preferable to bubble just being a complete non starter in PvE.

@jake_break 8 месяцев назад

@@delta_1632 Very true. it’s tough to change it with without making it completely useless and having something like bubble just take it’s place. then we’re back to square one

@dannykrakt736 8 месяцев назад

I think the damage reduction is the biggest problem. Its like 50% and it should be 20% at most cuz it stacks

@carapo3678 8 месяцев назад

It doesn't help that even without well solar warlock is the best subclass in the game

@Obama14209 8 месяцев назад

Strand titan is undoubtedly better it is not debatable

@delta_1632 8 месяцев назад

While I agree, Strand Titan is undoubtedly the most powerful class, it's got situations where it can't/shouldn't be used. Solar Warlock is Number 1/2 in all Aspekts of the game in Terms of subclass viability. So for the consistency I gotta give it to Solar Warlock. Sinbracers are, in fact, in the game.

@JPOG7TV 8 месяцев назад

And it’s only going to get better if that new super is as potent as they claim it will ne

@delta_1632 8 месяцев назад

@@voxtheIII Any encounter where meleeing the Boss is impractical. Stuff like Rhulk, Warpriest, Oryx, Nezareck (because of suppression), GotD Final Boss and so on. I'm not saying it's a non starter, for that it's got too good survivability and Major clear, but it is far and away not the best option to use. Well Warlock is either the Best option or second best in all actovities of the game. I'm just saying it's got its niche and when that comes up, like for example in Warlords Ruin it's the best and that's not even a debate.

@JPOG7TV 8 месяцев назад

@@voxtheIIIprobably in gms where you can’t just run up to enemies and melee them. You are better off using a safer subclass like solar or even void

@chillycasual576 8 месяцев назад

At this point, Wellock has become one of the most iconic and recognizable figures in Destiny 2. In the world of most class-specific abilities are shared among all 3 classes (Looking at you, healing grenade ᗜˬᗜ). Well is pretty much what define the "OG support" warlock, it's like a tradition.

@VRGUILE 8 месяцев назад

It may be the OG support, but it's used on such a surface level. When people say "support warlock" they mean "only the well. And maybe the healing grenade on occasion." The under-utilisation of the solar warlocks toolkit for actual true support is bordline insulting. So whenever I play support warlock, really make it a point to really show, even if it's just one person, what a real support build can do.

@Errant_ 8 месяцев назад

WE STAN WELL SLANDER

@jatochgaatjeniksaan3307 8 месяцев назад

Its pve,who cares,make everything op. Should be fun.

@TylR3gor 8 месяцев назад

Absolutely🎯

@dote9018 8 месяцев назад

I do love the way they been doing bosses like the new dungeon boss and Rhulk it’s fun to not sit in one spot. I hope they keep the way they’ve been make the bosses even when well gets nerfed

@ReeceRacc 8 месяцев назад

I kinda wish they would change Well to work like Lumina/Boots of the Assembler and just shoot out homing orbs (so that we don't have to stand in a circle) that give players a damage buff, damage reduction, and healing, but at lower values And also i want them to combine Heat Rises and Icarus Dash into one aspect, and give us back the bottom tree Dawnblade burning-enemies-explode-on-death effect as an aspect

@TulsinDerbeck 8 месяцев назад

Anyone else remember "born to nova, forced to rez"?

@VATROU 8 месяцев назад

Since we got Lightfall I think Bungie is trying to subtlety address Well by adding more ways to self heal or heal teammates. Banner of War, Precious Scars. Threaded Specter, Weavewalk for Disengage. Buried Bloodlines. I'm sure more examples can be applied here but I do think we'll see more abilities that border on what Well does so if they ever Nerf Well, we still have solid options and they can tweak any number of encounters with that lower benchmark.

@h13n12 8 месяцев назад

but then they nerfed restoration, nerfed devour and nerfed the healing fragment for stasis, nerfed damage reduction of other things. nothing can do healing anywhere near the level of well except maybe banner of war but even that fall short by quite a bit. for them to nerf well they would have to go through the entire game and tweak most if not all boss encounters or they nerf the damage bonus well gives or out right remove it though that might not do much to how useful well is.

@h13n12 8 месяцев назад

the problem is that bungie does not want you to shoot at enemies from a safe distance(hence their cautious tuning of scouts and snipers) which mean they want you to be in the fray fighting the enemy but to do that you would need survivability and nothing can beat well when it comes to that. even in the game play you are showing, without a well you can't stand in that room and you see the moment the well is down someone dies really fast. it's not helping that they just nerfed survivability with things like restoration or devour and such.

@dannykrakt736 8 месяцев назад

They need to soft rework the ability and add something to it to make it not useless after a nerf.

@dyscalculic 8 месяцев назад

I'd like an update to Citan's, let you and teammates shoot through Ward of Dawn. At least to have an alternative to always needing Well in most encounters.

@lucasmeloaita7214 8 месяцев назад

Chivering at the thought Citan's allowing you to shoot through Ward of Dawn in PvP. Any capture focused playlist would be borderline unplayable if you were not a void titan or if the super cooldown was unchanged. On the other hand, giving that support potential to other classes could really help shaking up the meta and stop forcing warlocks into using well all the time

@Jake-of-All-Trades 8 месяцев назад

Give void titans the chance to play support in endgame PVE.

@T3mplar_Knight57 8 месяцев назад

Crazy part is, as soon as they nerf it into the ground like everything else that gains traction, the same people are going to complain. Ironic actually.

@Annin_Mochineko 8 месяцев назад

At least not me, I'm an end game warlock main and I run all subclasses. Well is just a team dps and sustain ult for me, glad if lfgs stop asking for well no matter what.

@dynabam 4 месяца назад

Of course they are, just like when Divinity was nerfed. But it made the game better, so I believe it will be the case here too.

@Tixrok 8 месяцев назад

Every subclass needs roaming shutdown and something to help allies like bubble and well.hunters shud be able to do something

@raianmr2843 8 месяцев назад

Also, they should buff bubble back to its original design (for pve). Bubbles have practically been neutered far too many times to the point where Titans would rather that the bubble super does something else entirely.

@saidsaleh9618 8 месяцев назад

I wonder if making certain enemies like snipers (vandals, hobgoblins, acolytes hell even champions)target the well instead of the guardians residing inside will have some effect as that would also help against well stacking bc what's the point of putting down 2+ wells if Greg the dreg pops it from the most unreachable corner of the map making it last for 5 seconds, like I feel if some enemies were just a lil smarter this wouldn't be an issue as well as a lotta other stuff too like some enemies target the person whose holding a relic, say for example the shield in vog or sword in crotas end making ad clear a much more important job and also making some super meta starts less viable.

@pieking911 4 месяца назад

Personally, well isnt to strong its more the lack of competition. If for example: 1) increase sential wall to 50% to at least match wells total buff and make it so you can shoot through the forward half of ward of dawn(in pve). You'll have more options with titans 2) give hunters a version too, make it so there golden gun empowere all allies in 50m or so with a damage buff equivalent to well, yeah you wont have the dr bht you will be fully mobile (which will expand raid encounters) 3) give warlocks and titan debuff equivalent to hunter 3.2) give titan a 3rd solar super that throws one big hammer into the ground appling melting poit to all enemies surrounding it, and give it the ability to ignite the boss if hit directl(to contend with tethers secondary abilities l) 3.3) make it so arc warlocks Kamehameha applies the debuff while they are shooting it with a 4~ or so second lingertime after the super runs out With all those youll be able to have at least 1 buff, 1 debuff no matter the team layout.

@FreezeFrameYT 3 месяца назад

Now its going to be "born to nova, forced to stag."

@jester88ization 8 месяцев назад

The days of well are already numbered for people who know. - Huge incentive to use damage solar supers because of mods - Well messes with the buff to hunters GGs (the best super atm) - Most modern boss fights force players to move around actively during damage - thus can't stand in a well - All players can provide their team with the same 25% dmg buff - All players have access to healing which is almost as good as a well. Well is still good for high difficulty roam based context like GMs and Master Raid ad clear encounters. But as the go too super for dps, it's days are already numbered.

@SharkdYGO 8 месяцев назад

Arclock has so much potential in endgame, gives abilities that stun both unstopable and overload champs ⚡️💯

@mrflipflop7116 8 месяцев назад

Yeah... but almost all iif not all warlock's other supers are quite bad for damage phases compared to hunter's or titan one's (absolutly not asking to nerf them). So for me it's not that well is to good, it's more that other warlock's supers are quite bad (for PVE boss damage phases and even for add clearing in GM).

@ToadimusPrime 8 месяцев назад

Well and Bubble are a necessary evil. You can't have a game designed around buffs and debuffs, not have a crutch thing like Well and Divinity. Heck, if they reverted the Bubble nerfs from ages ago, most of us would go back to bubble instead. The survivability of well is great, but a lot of teams actually just like the easy damage buff to the entire team. And Bubble's buff used to be stronger. So is Well a problem? No, it's a solution and staple in the game.

@dfillio8993 8 месяцев назад

For them to nerf well without addressing all the encounters and many activities that it is almost mandatory for will just make the game even more unplayable than it already is. I see so many comments from people crying that it’s broken most of these people have obviously never ran legend/master content or gm’s cuz I can tell you from my own experiences it is very very easy to be insta killed out of your well in some of these activities. Where are all the videos running warpriest with no well from all these people that cry for it to get nerfed 🤔still have yet to see any

@crabbypatty10fefrefe 8 месяцев назад

I guess it's easier to nerf Well than make better boss fights right? Well would get an organic nerf if they didn't make it so easy to just stand in 1 place and do damage. They have more Well and Bubble nerfs coming when The Final Shape releases.

@onrok 8 месяцев назад

While I agree with the general issues with well, well is not strictly mandatory for everything. In most normal raid environments a healing rift, a rally barricade with regenerating overshields, 2 or 3 healing nades, a titan with Precious Scars proccing every 3 seconds, or even a controlled demolition titan proccing volatile explosions generates enough healing to keep everyone alive. Well is just an easy solution that also grants damage. Newer encounters/activities make wells more "mandatory" but that's also an after effect of the difficulty ramp-up needed after subclasses 3.0. But I would argue that well is not a must here, only just an easy tool to apply at the problem. Thanks for the content and great vid! Keep it up Mr. Razeki!

@SWORDISA212 8 месяцев назад

Can I have some examples of newer content that makes well mandatory because I'll start off by saying well is definitely not mandatory in the crotas end raid whether it be normal or master

@onrok 8 месяцев назад

@@SWORDISA212 mandatory in airquotes... They provide an inconmensurable Advantage over other alternatives. Master crota, gm psiops cosmodrome, master first boss ghost of the deep, master 2nd boss ghost of the deep.

@adamstaples9158 8 месяцев назад

@@SWORDISA212it’s not mandatory for crota but they literally designed the encounter so that swords do more damage. If they got rid of well everyone would just use stronghold titan for the encounter. Mandatory is a strong word, I’d go with “the best option” instead, which doesn’t matter for normal raids but does for master.

@delta_1632 8 месяцев назад

While I agree that Well isn't necessarily mandatory, it sometimes just feels like it. It's like a "Masterkey" Solution to any kind of problem in the game. Problems with staying alive? Well Need more DMG for the fireteam? Well Getting overwhelmed by Adds? Well It's an unhealthy part of the sanbox, because it hurts variety. Even though there are other options in the game that could do the same, they have either higher opportunity costs, like giving up an exotic slot, or just have less consistency and potency. It's less that it needs to be used and more that in every conceivable way it can be used it's the best option available. It has no weaknesses, besides giving up super DMG. With rockets being as strong of a DPS option as they are and you mostly only needing one Wellwarlock anyway, that's a negligeble downside to the unreasonable ammount of upsides.

@Voiisuu 3 месяца назад

This nerf was VERY uncalled for especially when everything NOW is a lot stronger than you. Two JUST BUFF OUR OTHER SUBCLASS DAMAGE and leave the ONE supporting super alone

@ali229946 8 месяцев назад

If the team you play with needs a well bring the well, people who complain should play solo .. be a team player. I main Titan but if the team is missing a tether/invis hunter or a well I'll gladly switch so that the team will stand a good chance to complete the task.

@dravendfr 4 месяца назад

Make encounters more mobile, make an artifact/device that does healing and buffing during boss phases so people don’t HAVE to run Well and make it where this object and Well don’t stack. Once you’ve done what you should’ve years ago so that everyone is happy, buff my class back up because nerfing it was never the solution, do the same thing for Titan Bubbles, Bungie. Your treatment of the support classes is abysmal. “Everyone forces Warlocks to use Well during encounters because of the damage buffs? Let’s nerf healing and extend the damage buff for eight seconds after the Well ends so that Warlocks are still stuck doing what they don’t want to. Bonus perk? Every raid team will now have an extreme increase of toxicity due to Well now having terrible defense and far slower healing! That’ll be an arm and a leg to pre-order the upcoming expansion, you’re welcome.”

@CharlotteThroughTheWeb 8 месяцев назад

Honestly, I just wish that other classes have similar abilities. Even if they aren't the same. Like titans have bubble, make that like invulnerable in PVE. Then like give hunters a super that buffs damage and gives a little defense like what if Gathering Storm buffed nearby allies outgoing damage and mildly buff survivability. Then just make them not stack. Now you have three supers that all fill a similar support role, but you can tune which you use based on the encounter design. So there will always be some buff super involved, but anyone could end up bearing the load in one encounter or another. I am lucky that I have a second warlock main on my raid team who doesn't mind running well and let's me blink lock around the battlefield, especially on raids with running encounters because I love teleporting into and out of danger and I am really good at consistently keeping weaken applied during DPS.

@SirBeast1992 8 месяцев назад

One point to mention: well also, in my opinion, was a replacement for fireborn radiance warlocks. Who's utility in destiny 1 was essentially one free death. Which the self res cheese was solved in D1 by taking a little super energy. Honestly creating a bubble you can shoot through ended up making a bigger problem than self res. I'd rather have that than run well tbh. Well just isn't fun to play lol

@mrfellguyanimation1237 4 месяца назад

One of my biggest problem with well is people saying "well why don't we don't you run well" despite already having a well and people who say shit like "blame so and so cause they don't run well! And if you don't like running well play another class!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

@marvinvogtde 4 месяца назад

i just want them to remove the damage buff and design encounters (espacially raids and dungeons) so that spreading out or even moving during damage is the optimal strategy. Maybe insteqad of trying to survive durng dps they could introduce other meachnics that make dps phases more interesting

@MrMultiPlatform 4 месяца назад

The problem with that is you make well irrelevant.

@marvinvogtde 4 месяца назад

@@MrMultiPlatform it’s still a survival tool for a lot of old encounters and other content like gms, but it still means warlocks aren’t forced to play the same class every time they raid and if after 5 years well becomes irrelevant for the first time I think that would be ok too, would be be the only irrelevant super in the game

@merrickmorgan6890 4 месяца назад

Reminded me of my favorite quote: "31 flavors, all made from milk"

@federal5842 8 месяцев назад

Solution: Give us Hunters the Well (please Bungie). In more seriousness, I think the problem is that Well has too many benefits to it for one single super. If they removed e.g. the DPS weapon increase and put that onto Bubble with a slight increase from what Well currently has, I think it'd at least make DPS encounters for raids and dungeons have more class composition and less need for a well, especially for things such as Warpriest or any boss that atm is not a threat. Additionally, it could remove the Radiance-like effect it has, while also not providing Radiance making it need other outside sources to get the team or player Radiant. Additionally having your health virtually never reach zero while in one is one is a main point, especially for Day 1 raids (like said in the video). I think (not a Titan main here so stay with me), they could make Bubble like well but have it recharge your over shield extremely quickly, and if that over shield is broken, it does not regenerate, while not needing to step outside of it (think like the DPS plate for planets in RON).

@BaddiesSEA 7 месяцев назад

Well def needs a buff. 30% empower buff, damage resistance AND over shield like old well. And needs more hp shouldn’t be allowed to be destroyed at all. And revert the cooldown nerf

@gv584 8 месяцев назад

Playing without well is a totally possible thing in most content. Only contest, master content and GM can sometime force you to play with it. The thing is, well is most of the time, the optimal way to play. Not the necessary one. Tbh there's always an optimal way to play. You can be any class and there's always a better option for any content, it's up to you and your team to choose if you want to have fun with wacky builds or force yourself to play the meta.

@wolfgang5359 7 месяцев назад

Well is not a problem in my opinion. If Bungie would just stop bloating enemy stats in harder activities, Well would not be a requirement at this point. If Bungie wants people to stop relying on Well, then the game needs a change, not Well. As for PvP, people seem to not know you can 1:Shoot the Well to destroy it, 2: use AOE damage to shoot both the players within and the sword at the same time, and 3: shoot the orb on the Well to chain damage to every player inside as it acts like a tether without the suppression or weaken effect. It has been shown you CAN in fact kill players in this way.

@wolfgang5359 7 месяцев назад

I know some people would say otherwise, but if Bungie wants the game to be better and not have Well to so used, then they can just ignore it when making encounters. Well is a supportive option like Bubble and instead of trying to counter it, just let it be. Sure Well and Bubble could make activities easier with it's buff to damage of weapons, but if they tone down the difficulty of activities, then all it would be is something to make things easier instead of a requirement in every activity. Their current process is just enforcing Well to be used because they overturned the activity as a result.

@jacobjohnson7299 7 месяцев назад

Well of radiance and radiant do the same damage multiplier of 25% and when you stand in a well, you remove your radiant buff. So golden gun does less damage when standing in a well.

@jacobjohnson7299 7 месяцев назад

So I may as well just proc radiant for me and allies using celestial fire and use a healing rift with dawn chorus and dragons breath for boss damage.

@pudgeysaurusrex6147 8 месяцев назад

Give voidwalker a healing ult. Vortex grenade is as powerful as Nova anyway so it doesn't affect much 🤷🏻‍♀️

@eastercreeper 8 месяцев назад

I feel like i shoudl say we love arcweb and feral and ring-1

@SWORDISA212 8 месяцев назад

The problem is the common player doesn't think and well is the least complex option for survivability in activities such as raids and dungeons. There are better options than well such blessing of the sky for buffs and healing rifts sun's spots and other options

@paragonflash8937 8 месяцев назад

Its very likely that well of radiance will get a nerf when final shape releases. There is NO WAY that well remains the same like this if they want us to use the new song of flame super. As a warlock main i 100% agree that well of radiance has made the class boring in end game content and has made raids to reliant on well. I find that doing a raid without a warlock on Well is more harder than a raid where its just titans and hunters and the heavy reliance on well ruins the wanting to play other classes if you want a smooth LFG raid run that doesnt last 2+ hours. Id be down for warlocks that 25% be toned to 15% and give bubble back that 35% damage buff. The issue with reducing duration for well is that doing so would increase the useage of well. Reducing well from 25 to 15 for example would make the need for more warlocks to stack well. Nerfing well is a tricky topic and not everyone is going to be happy.

@stickdrip_7581 7 месяцев назад

I would just like to have other support super options on other subclasses like stormcaller

@jay_bulith6717 8 месяцев назад

If your crying about well being O.P then don’t use it!?!??

@TylR3gor 8 месяцев назад

Exactly🎯

@milosradmilac8911 4 месяца назад

Is Well too good? I'll put it this way: Aztecross made a recommended build videos covering all 3 classes. In chapters of said video you will see length given to each build. 3 classes 3 builds each. Shortest one at a minute or so at length? Solar Warlock with the only point being: use Well, that's all. Well is not a support subclass. A support class assumes you are taking an active roll in. taking care of your teammates. It assumes. you. are there to make it easier for the rest. of the team to do their job. What is Well about objectively? Plant yourself in a spot. That a is it. Rest of the stuff you use or do DOES NOT MATTER. Objectively. It is so oppressive that if Bungie deleted everything in Solar Warlock (supers, aspects, fragments etc) except for that super, ppl would still be making Warlocks run Well above everything else. I despise it. DESPISE IT. I'd be happy to pay Bungie to delete the F$@#@#@ thing tomorrow, and give us nothing in return. F$@#@. Well. PS Sorry about the rant, salt etc. Well is my weak point.

@akanji8285 8 месяцев назад

Take away the damage buff so it’s strictly a healing super, or make it reduce damage you deal for the trade off of survivability

@delta_1632 8 месяцев назад

The thing is you would just use the Melee radiant fragment to get the same DMG boost. With Ember of Benevolence you would also have basically infinite Uptime for your Melee.

@akanji8285 8 месяцев назад

@@delta_1632 I’m saying like if your in the well then your outgoing damage is nerfed to a certain amount, idk what would work best but your losing damage dealt for staying alive

@delta_1632 8 месяцев назад

@@akanji8285 That's an interesting idea. Maybe lock your DMG to not utilize Surges when inside or just flat out lock it at +0%.

@Fire4ward 8 месяцев назад

Make well mobile, only providing extra weapon damage and take healing away completely. This would force players to get creative and actively heal the team during dps phases. Problem solved 🤝

@bigt4135 8 месяцев назад

Good info. Subscribed

@myob94 4 месяца назад

love your channel and how you walk us through your points and perspective

@RazekiYT 4 месяца назад

Thanks! Glad you're liking the videos!

@GloverGaming3 8 месяцев назад

Honestly, I like using Well, but that's mostly because all other Warlock Supers kind of suck. We've got nothing doing damage like Nighthawk or Pyrogale, so support is the only useful thing Warlocks can do

@MineralMan105 8 месяцев назад

Well definitely sits in an annoyingly difficult spot to balance. You can't just change it so that Well has less HP or less duration because then you end up with the issue found in Crota. Instead of not bringing Well and finding a different strategy, players instead simply opt to bring more Wells, and reducing HP or duration would cause the same issue. The question then is what to nerf? If you reduce the 25% damage increase, then this could be potentially replaced by someone simply using Ember of Torches (assuming Radiant would then be able to stack with Well's Radiance buff), so a damage nerf wouldn't quite work unless you also nerfed Radiant (which imo should 100% be nerfed). That then leaves the 40% Damage Resist and the 100 HP/S. In my opinion, one of these definitely needs to get significantly reduced. In my personal opinion, I think flat out removing the Damage Resist and perhaps even reducing the HP/S a bit (let's say 80 HP/S) would be sufficient.

@jojopojo9516 8 месяцев назад

I personally wouldn't nerf Well but if I were a dev, enemies would be given an ability to disable or limit Well's functionality.

@cubeshot5737 8 месяцев назад

You want to know the worst part? I like Well of Radiance. I love the Solar subclass and while it would be nice to be able to run Daybreak every now and again, I don’t mind being forced to Well I’m stuck in a spot where I know and agree that Well needs to be nerfed, but I really don’t want that to happen because I love its current state…

@hatgames2625 4 месяца назад

I think the hunters with all the op shit just cope when they cant get more damage from someone elses super so they can be like "guyssssss look i out dps u" "get ur dps up"......just cope harder

@thecanadiankiwibirb4512 8 месяцев назад

Well should heal as much as a rift and give RestoX2 and Radiant on kill. Forces you to be active, like the rest of the supers in game

@casual1857 8 месяцев назад

Well is good. But it's not as great for other solar players anymore because it overwrites their radiant buff

@andrewpeters1463 8 месяцев назад

You said it best let ppl play they way they want to as a warlock main since d1 day1 we were always a support class eg selfe res lock just leave us alone please and thank you

@bonaelzee 8 месяцев назад

Who has died in a well in a Grandmaster or any other content higher then the default difficulty settings? I have many times 😭

@alaskayoung3413 8 месяцев назад

It’s bs u literally can’t kill someone’s while they’re in well in pvp. U can literally unload grenade launcher on someone and they’ll live.

@jimhagglof217 8 месяцев назад

i think it would be rather simple if they changed it so that the well doesnt stack with the Restoration and Radiance buffs, that way you can still maintain its use cause the ease of use but its no longer as essential since other classes and builds are still abel to provide the buffs to themselvs if not to the whole group.

@JG54206 8 месяцев назад

It doesn’t stack with them. It clears all radiant and restoration effects when you step into a well.

@jimhagglof217 8 месяцев назад

@@JG54206 yeah but it is also alot stronger then restoration x1 and so the incentive is still there

@JG54206 8 месяцев назад

@@jimhagglof217 Restoration x1 is basically healing rift. Well provides what can be described as Restoration x3.

@jimhagglof217 8 месяцев назад

@@JG54206 Thats my point they either need to remove it, nerf it or make an alternative available

@jurionov5358 8 месяцев назад

Theres no way to nerf well tho, even if it does zero dmg increase, it will still be the go to super on 90% of bosses just for the sole survival factor, theres no way to balance all supers and also well is not mandatory at all, its just its ease of use that lets you ignore incoming dmg, which in ideal scenarios you should avoid anyway 💁

@haramberoth117 8 месяцев назад

Make it mobile. "Take out your sword and have it have a healing aura and have you not be able to shoot but have to stay with your team for dmg.

@Fire4ward 8 месяцев назад

They could take away the healing provided from well and leave it with just the bonus weapon damage. Make players get creative about keeping the team healed.

@adamstaples9158 8 месяцев назад

I don’t necessarily agree with the majority of warlocks who say “I wish I could use something else besides well”. When I’m playing hard content I want the strongest thing, at least for something like master raids or guilding conquerer. If they nerfed well then for those activities I’ll be switching to my titan, which is objectively stronger right now than anything warlock has besides solar. So if they nerfed well I’d hope that some other warlock subclasses would get some much needed love. For instance if you made horde shuttle a broodweaver aspect it would immediately become top tier, etc. For lower level content or for when it’s time to be less sweaty I love using other builds even in gm’s and stuff. It is really annoying in a normal mode raid to get asked to put well on, but it’s also really gratifying to use it to carry your team in endgame content. And I get that well is definitely unhealthy for the game. But I think just nerfing well alone would kill a lot of the warlock power fantasy even if it’s in order to make the game healthier and have more diverse team builds and encounters, so I’m really not sure I want it to happen.

@priest33 8 месяцев назад

As a Warlock main, I absolutely LOVE Well. I love the super whilst also being able to top damage in my fireteam. Is well a bit too strong, sure. It definitely is a meta defining super and the most common super in the game. That being said, if you build craft well enough you don’t actually need a Well. There are multiple raids where my team will often opt to not have a Well. The biggest issue with Well is that it’s just too easy to use. As a newer raider, I would rather have well. With a bunch more experience and knowledge of gameplay, I’ll go with other things

@Zyrvaria 4 месяца назад

As a Warlock main who has been forced to well so much, I would like to say that I'd like to do like that kid in the meme with the skateboard and jump on the well sword to snap it in half, I like the solar subclass but I am so tired of running it and only it in high end content. I am happy however that it is remaining in the game though, with a nerf instead of being removed

@MrMultiPlatform 4 месяца назад

banner titan, Star Eater anything hunter, tether or all 100x stronger than well.

@SlongestKongest 4 месяца назад

Lmao no well has been used and will be used in every raid and endgame peice of content if not nerfed forever. Even if you remoce the entire subclas and all you have is super No jump No melee No gernade No abilities Players would still use well

@kingdragoonmk10 4 месяца назад

Im sorry but there are FAR to many Strikes, Dungeons, and Raid encounters that just do not provide good if any meaningful cover or player protection ... Such as having to protect a console Ghost is hacking and lose the ability to progress if to many enemies get near him, but to do that your stuck in a wide open area surrounded by High damaging and stupidly tanky ads on high difficulty runs ... You NEED well and Bubble in such situations because Bungie doesn't give you effective alternatives for strategic play. Bungie at the end of the day Shot itself in the foot when it created such encounters

@NEWGHOST9 8 месяцев назад

Ironically enough 8:58 this dungeon’s final boss is actually is designed to work with well more than it is to work against it, like just slap on Phoenix protocol and you will kill enough ads b4 you activate damage phase to use it again or come dang close. Like it is designed to force you to use well not discourage you or punish you, even if the initial intention is to make you mobile to not be able to sit in a well I like the mobile boss designs it can allow for them to keep wells survivability, but make it probably better ti just bring a different super I think well either needs to be a damage buff, or a healing factor super, not both, granted whichever it doesnt be will be picked up by bubble If there werent exotics designed for both supers i would say maybe it’s time to get rid of both of them I think they should make well just a healing factor, it change how it works, i hope the sunsinger 2.0 gets ppl off well And the fact they also made bubble stronger than it was in d1 by combining both the shield and damage buff was a wild choice, they could always try n make well similar to big shield sentiniel titan, where you have to sacrifice being able to shoot stuff yrself to buff yr team up idk

@Hunter-ue4id 8 месяцев назад

the most based elitist after well has been nerfed from containing overshield and damage resist

@phamviet7905 8 месяцев назад

I think its a lot about Well just providing the player the chance to make mistakes, because if players are playing perfectly Well isn’t as vital Like Crota, it is possible to line up Lament combo chain with blocking to prevent the 1 tap, but no one (at least afaik) can reach to that level of consistency

@rightful4973 4 месяца назад

Judgement day draws near

@element9387 8 месяцев назад

I hate well of radiance i hate well of radience I FUCKING HATE WELL OF RADIENCE RRRAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH

@SushiJuice 8 месяцев назад

Oh no. The devs have to dev... Oh no ..

@dewdtdl4585 8 месяцев назад

If you want to have fun just don't play warlock

@SmartAss4123 4 месяца назад

If they nerf Well warlock then theres no place in the game for the class. Its too weak in every other class super and ability for group and most solo content outside crucible

@MrMultiPlatform 4 месяца назад

Star-Eater with needle storm will have the highest DPS output in the game.

@SmartAss4123 4 месяца назад

@@MrMultiPlatform Im pretty sure they said the prismatic class item will let you use two exotics, not other class item exotics but you will be able to steal PERKS from other subclass trees. Not supers and exotics themselves

@EviLSyNapster 4 месяца назад

If you don’t want to be a well every time, then make another class. I fully understand that if I’m joining as a warlock, it’s because I WANT to bring a well.

@triplecombogaming 4 месяца назад

I've been avoiding my Warlock because I don't want to use Well of Radiance 😂

@Sphinx-19 8 месяцев назад

imagine asking to get yourself nerfed

@dynabam 4 месяца назад

If you were forced to eat the same ice cream every day for the past several years, sacrificing that particular flavor to get some variety would be a small price to pay.

@Sphinx-19 4 месяца назад

@@dynabam the thing is, people are only asking you to come to the party because youre the only 1 with that flavor, if you throw the flavor away, maybe they dont invite you anymore

@OpenWorldAddict0 8 месяцев назад

This is one reason why i don't play that many raids or dungeons.

@SushiJuice 8 месяцев назад

Seriously? Year 9 and you want things changed? Let it be

@haramberoth117 8 месяцев назад

Yes kill it. Im sick of running well and nothing else.

@Angry_Leeroy 8 месяцев назад

Here is an idea stfu about everything being overpowered, broken, etc. just making the game keep stepping further and further away from what it was built on.

@Angry_Leeroy 8 месяцев назад

@@Wazoomski and yet my character in Minecraft is stronger than any build in Destiny2 don’t try to justify that bull

@Angry_Leeroy 8 месяцев назад

@@Wazoomski the fact I even have to explain it shows you are new to the game.

@alexfromproduce1521 8 месяцев назад

Stop please stop please stop complaining

@Wall_Candy 8 месяцев назад

First

@omarlocke4351 8 месяцев назад

i hope bungie nerfs well into the dirt. but only so the destiny youtubers will shut THE eff up about it. the worst thing to happen to the game is pc. we get leaks and destiny youtubers think they’re good when playing baby game. it’s quite literally a meme at this point. total cringe.

@Ihatethunderlord 8 месяцев назад

I think you forgot to mention well of radiance used to provide overshield as well. Also lunafaction + well (auto loading meta dominated pve at one time) was broken XD. Last thing, well doesn’t give you extra handling or reload speed (just wanna point that out)

@theoutlaw6044 8 месяцев назад

Yeah it doesn't buff reload at all maybe he assumed it does because people run Lunafactions pretty often or something

@circuitrex 8 месяцев назад

If i use well in starcrossed and theres more than 2 enemies i instantly die.. it cant heal me fast enough.. I run 100 resilience also. It's worthless.

@allisonshoemaker6866 8 месяцев назад

Ok, I just wanted to point out that Radiant does not provide any benefits to handling or reload speed at all.

@aidenfoxhayes 8 месяцев назад

What's your opinion on void 3.0 compared to the other light subclasses? The effects of void don't seem as potent as other effects imo. Volatile rounds is not as potent as radiant, same with weaken. Suppression is very niche or just a worse blind effect from arc. Devour is now just cure with demolitionist attached to it. The most substantial aspect of void is invisibility, which can only really be utilized by hunters. I'm wondering what your thoughts are and if you think void should get another rework?

@NEWGHOST9 8 месяцев назад

Void 3.0 is one of the strongest kits in the game, suppression is a better blind imo as it kicks players and lucient hive out of the super and makes enemies not able to do their unique mechanics at all, volitile rounds is well sought after every time it’s in the artifact for a reason, it’s very strong, and i think if yr using the fragment that makes enemies explode from ability kills, i think volitile rounds procs that, will say volitile by itself is lackluster but volitile rounds is anything but lackluster, invisibility sucks being a hunter only thing tho I think radiant probably needs a nerf buffing it to 25% with solar 3.0 was shocking since empowering melee was only like 10% they could always make radiant the same as weaken which is 15%? Rlly confused why they made it the same damage buff as well and bubble

@ChemistyStudent 8 месяцев назад

I can't speak much to the other Classes, but Void Walker is the best option for solo warlocks. I don't have a lot of friends that play, so I end up soloing most of the time. I know Solar with healing grenade, and ember of empyrean is the "Meta", but damn it Feed the Void is just better: hard stop. Briarbinds and Graviton lance just make you destruction incarnate. Void Walker revolves around the idea that "I am my own support, and papa's hungry". Feed the Void: I have devour and If I'm killing I'm not dying. COTOG: Everything in that general area is Food, I'm not Dying, and more grenades. Vortex Grenades: Everything in that general area needs to group up, die, become Food, and give me another COTOG. EO Undermining: Everything in that general area needs to die faster and become Food. EO Harvest: Everything touched by my grenades, and COTOG becomes orbs/Food. EO Starvation: Hey, all these orbs I'm generating should give me devour, and regen my super faster, and re-trigger devour every-time I touch one. EO Obscurity: that level 5 COTOG would be nice to re-use and recycle, I should go get Eobard while invisible. Pair that with re-loading finishers. These past +3 seasons Bungie has had way too much fun throwing Togetherness, and/or Attrition on just about every activity possible to combat the powercreep. My teammates end up grouping up while I go on an all you can eat binge alone. It works, and it works well. Graviton Lance's death seekers really help pickup any slack in your game-play by killing nearby Food, and once you have the catalyst it just gets more ridiculous. Bad Juju or Wishender are also good options, but the AOE on Graviton is just hilariously entertaining and you need to play aggressive. For example, this season in the Coil, I've been consistently generating +120 orbs per run, and hitting platinum's consistently. The fact that you can weaken anything and everything in sight, on demand is a lot more powerful than people seem to realize. Tether hunters give a +30% debuff as a super, I get a +15% debuff as part of my damn class ability, which I'm dropping almost twice a minute, and it damages!! Invisibility might be the crux of the Hunter tool kit, but weaken is the core of the Warlock kit. They aren't enemies, they aren't ADS, they're Food.

@sarsante 8 месяцев назад

well should only heal and overwrite all damage buffs to 0% (except surges).

@borg_uk 8 месяцев назад

I have a small clan of very good players (7) and we, unplanned, do not have any (main) warlocks. Therefore we run everything without a Well Lock. Honestly, it made us better players. Its nice to join LFG and do not have to ask ofr or worry about having a Well. I dont think the Well is a problem. But the dependency on ot set apart different tier of players.

@Shinobi_Cartel 8 месяцев назад

Add to the aspects a choice between damage buffing or healing just like normal rift add and incentive like for healing multiple teammates that warlocks abilities regen faster or for damage they get a reload/ handling buff then change bubble to where if you have a well down you can’t stack the damage buff from bubble on top of the healing well and vice versa that way players have to make choice between the two and get creative with builds or they can only have one or the other at time this allows for relevance of both but other builds and supers become more relevant such as shadowshot or your example briar binds warlocks

@siphonicfir469 4 месяца назад

Warlocks complaining about being "forced to well" to need to get over themselves and stop being selfish. I am a warlock main, and every raid I do I equip well because it is the best. Obviously its op and obviously the game is designed around it so it cannot be nerfed without rebalancing the entire endgame. It exists, is op, use it. Raids and GM nightfalls are the only content in the game where your build even matters, and other people are relying on you to use effective strategies and play well to complete the content in a reasonable amount of time. You can use any build you want in 90% of the game, it is not at all unreasonable that in those challenging COOPERATIVE activities, you need to think of the team. If anything, the other classes should also be pressured into using the optimal builds. You have 5 other people relying on you, don't waste their time and effort by handicapping yourself in the name of "fun". If that is how you enjoy the game, make your own raid team where you all run wacky builds and have loads of fun clearing a raid in 3 hours instead of 1.