The Future 

“Look at all the stuff I’ve been grinding for” and 99% of it never gets used.

Those 3 down weeks where the only thing to do was “wait until act 2” really did a number on the community.

I believe Dr. Seuss' quote is a genuine piece of advice here, *"Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened."* I am extremely happy and proud where this game started and where it is now. In this day and age where some games just virtually die in 1 patch or on launch day. I played this god damn game in middle school and I believe most reading would feel this sentiment. It's just an emotional journey and we don't want to let go of it, but we should remember to look behind our shoulder and see how far it has gone and be glad the memories and feelings and emotions it has cemented in our brain. Our brain is so powerful to replay those emotions and feelings and it's scary how powerful the mind truly is the more you think about. My favorite memories will always be getting the Hammer of Sol the first time. The feeling of being invincible having access to the last element that the other 2 classes had and if felt illegal. Seeing the hive get light powers the feeling of dread and betrayal and the anticipation of showing them what the "crucible is all about". I will forever cement this game as one of my favorites until I grow old and die. This game will literally be MY boomer shooter to my grandkids. It's weird being in that position now and it feels comforting knowing how some of my older relatives might've felt when they shared a memorable game they had in their childhoods.

I’m indifferent to staying with D2 or getting a D3, but if we do get a D3 it needs to be designed from the beginning to last over 10 years. I’m fine with a D3, but I don’t want to ever hear about a D4, D3 needs to be the final game and the entire next saga should be part of that game.

'We survived Lightfall' will stick in my head until the end

I swear we get one of these videos every dlc launch

A part of me wants to grind for everything all over again but an even a bigger part of me doesn't want to farm everything back for 5 years

I want my cosmetics to carry over, thats it.

Here’s my personal theory: These three episodes (echoes, revenant, and heresy) is humanity cleaning up or getting our house in order and then frontiers is going to be all about leaving the Sol system to expand our new alliance. Helping our allies reclaim their home worlds (Riis for Mithrax and house light and Torobatl for the cabal) and turning them into other capitals for our alliance. This could also allow us to potentially visit places like Fundament or other places that we have heard about in the lore. That’s just my theory though.

"I'll say what others won't" proceeds to say what tonnes of others have been saying for ages.

For me, it's not destiny itself. It's me, I am 28 and my habits and the things I want in life are changing. I do miss when I was 18 and the excitement I felt when I saw a Xur video and realized he was selling Icebreaker. I miss that feeling of excitement. In destiny 2 right now it is still fun but there's only so much hours in the day that I kinda wanna just go out and live a little more than to just game at the house.

I’m with cross. I didn’t buy original destiny for a couple of weeks after it released. Was genuinely uninterested. Until I played it on my lunch break at a friends house. The gunplay and movement felt so good. Been hooked since

If a Destiny 3 were to come out it’ll just be years of D1 and D2 content being added over time and it’ll be missing some QoL features D2 has then we’re back in the same boat in a couple years.

If Destiny 3 comes out eventually, Bungie needs a type of war table like in Helldivers 2, where a particular event happened on certain planets, reclaiming land from a specific faction on those planets, and having a type of gamemaster instead of being a static world where the vast majority of events are explained through dialogue

This is reminiscent of Guild Wars 1 dying for GW2. All these years later people still play GW1. The “team”build crafting in GW was awesome. Being able to add hero’s and customize their entire build for battles was epic for solo players. No LFG needed.

Seasonal models suck in general when major lore is removed at the end of the year. New players are extremely confused as to what the hell is going on in this “evolving” world

It would be nice if we would be able to actually go back and complete previous campaigns.. And places. Heck even old strike versions. I remember before Lightfall the red legion strikes still had Cayde-6's voice actor in them.

As a returning playing with final shape i understand the folks who are burnt out on this destiny 2 model currently. but coming from other games that are currently falling apart with no content release cycle or any clear idea as to what is ahead for the next 8 to 12 months. i am over the moon with what destiny 2 has to offer me after being away for 3 years. in those 3 years i played new world for 3000 hours i grinded that game and the devs have given up on it. i know destiny doesnt have the best rep from the long time players currently but i think that there is alot here still. im having fun with the echos content. once the acts story cycles come out together instead of week to week i think things will flow a little better. i dont want to call the destiny 2 players spoiled but this game has a very organized structure to its content release cycle and it is a breath of fresh air coming from a game like new world. where a road map is put out and all but like 3 items are psuhed to later releases or thrown out all together. things might be different atleast for me once i get through the 3 years of content i havent completed yet but for now im here to stay and im back to game i called home for 6 to 7 years.

Destiny: The Dark Age. We make new characters hangout with warlords and iron lords bump into some recognizable characters. The Drifters bar, Shax's castle, felwinter wearing felwinters helm. Could be a fun stand alone prequel like Reach.

I think one of the most important parts of this outside of a revamp to how gameplay would work, is the update to the visual pallette. We have been seeing more and more weapons that are obvious reskins of prior weapons, often in cases where it hadn't been common; patrol, seasonal, raid weapons..etc. These were mostly newer models or at least weren't obvious, but with a new game, we would likely get a complete refresh. Even if things are getting better, when weapons are sharing so many similarities, it can often feel like we aren't moving forward as much as we are.

It’s not an inventory issue, the vault is filled with ergo sums and classiteams, they should have put those two in the crafting and allowed traits to be unlocked like catalysts from just playing.

Didn't we have a new start with D2, with nothing carried over. And look how spectacular that was!

As someone who joined with D2 vanilla and stuck around through thick and thin, including every expansion and season. After the final shape, I've essentially put d2 on the back burner. Im playing more casually now. Although my son started playing a lot when the final shaped launch. So the only real fun I'm having is taking him through all the exotic missions and dungeons and playing comp and trials with him. Otherwise I think at this point I will eventually move on for good because even if there is an expansion or D3 I think franchise fatigue is something that cant be fixed no matter what.

I don’t want another reissued Hung Jury. A new installment would mean rebinding things we have now. Also, base D2 was empty. Imagine having to build things up again.

I’m confident Bungie will pull through, as long as they keep bringing updates and dev streams. We be alright.

The problem with episoded is that the pacing is identical to seasons except we have a month long gap in between acts that has no reason to exist

I mean there is so many unwrapped stories about different characters that we haven’t expanded upon, so I could wait longer until new stories drop.

Even if they did have a sequel. It would be the same model. A sequel won't fix seasons or episodes. That is the whole purpose of trying episodes.

I think the chase for gear has always been a highlight for the game. I do believe over the years that excitement has died down a lot due to either massive powercreep with abilities and subclasses outright just nuking entire rooms that just end up negating any real need for weapons, and just the ease of access to acquire new gear, mainly just because crafting has really cut down the loot chase grind down a lot for me at least. Armor for the most part hasn't been something I needed to grind for in the last 2 years, mods are available to everyone as soon as they hit a certain guardian rank, and even weapons aren't really something I need to chase that often anymore other than for collection sake because the stuff I used last year and even 2 years ago still hold up well to this day. It's why I would be perfectly okay with a full on reset if we were to get a Destiny 3. But if we had to get a Destiny 3, we'd seriously need to change up the pace, not like how Destiny 2 launched where we had to wait till forsaken to really get the ball rolling. From the start, there should be a blend of familiarity and something new to separate the games. New playable races maybe, new subclasses, flyable ships, a reworked patrol zone to have a reason to be there other than just the campaign and the activity tied to it.

If someone tells me that they wish to see The Future, I’ll send them this video

It has the Avengers/MCU effect. The situations, and different roads that needed from the different seasons to get to the big bad, introductions of characters, to changes/deaths of characters. When the witness was introduced to when we went on the heavy duty built up mission to fight him(endgame), it was a satisfaction. Now its left the question of "whats next?". Bungie sure had some type of imagine of what needs to be done, but right now its the fatigue of going backwards after such a huge conclusion to being like "oh we just saved the universe, now there's another person? who can also some how rise up after the witness? Someone bigger than the witness?"

I TRUST IN BUNGIE. Destiny was beyond exceptional as far experience and fun and destiny 2 offered a more aggressive take on things so stuff changes but overall it still gave an amazing outlook on how a sequel should or shouldn’t be done. D3 can be what it wants and I will still play it but that’s just my opinion. no one has had the exact same experience on destiny it does not matter how close you look at it; so you have to decide whether or not the future will hold destiny in it.

Honestly I feel like the best play would be to take everything from D1 and everything that was vaulted in D2 and bring it to D2, so we can play through the entire light and darkness saga beginning to end in D2. Then "Frontiers" could be D3, which could give us a fresh start, and D2 would still be around and supported for anybody that wants to continue to play D2.

i have taken breaks from destiny before but the only time, aside from this one, that i uninstalled was back in old D1 and didnt come back until forsaken in D2. I was an avid raider and loved end game content either with friends or newer players, but something about this break is feeling different. If i dont come back i dont have any negative feelings towards the game or the community in any way, i think its just my time to move on. I hope those that stay and are new players love and have a fantastic time!

I skipped Lightfall and came back for Final Shape. Final Shape was perfection and I loved playing it for the first few weeks. It's over now and so is my time with Destiny. I love this game and I love the memories, but enough is enough. I am tired of grinding a game likes it a job, I'm tired of spoon-fed content, and I'm tired of Bungie whiplashing us back and forth on the quality of their product. It's going to take A LOT to bring me back to this franchise. What they did in Final Shape was the perfect ending to the game and I feel content with my time exploring it. Now that it's over I'm going to play literally anything else and cherish my time. Thanks for the memories Destiny.

100% agree that Episodes and Seasons are exactly the same thing. But honestly, screw Gladd. I have never seen a video from him not complaining about Destiny. I don't go seeking his content, but I didn't even think this guy still played, so who the hell cares.

I’m so glad I’ve been pacing myself with Final Shape.

I would love to have the ability to grind a different race like Cross was saying. Just did the lost sector with a hive wizard. Let me be a hive knight, fallen captain, cabal psion. Feels episodes would be great for this kind of thing.

I’ve never been bored with Destiny and I’m not one to need to be fed continuous content. There’s always something I haven’t chased yet and I invent my own adventures when not being led specifically by a quest chain because it’s a sandbox, a canvas upon which to dream and play. Destiny is the most valuable, funnest, most hours played, for more years, game of my lifetime so far. I love continuous universes that MMORPGs are so good at. I’m still replaying missions in Destiny 1 even haha. It never gets old. I don’t need a D3. Just keep going with D2 because I’m not done with everything I hope to do and see. Can’t wait for more of Oryx’s throne-world-ship to return.

I can't be bothered to restart if there is a Destiny 3.

D3 NEEDS to be full open world and a massive set of maps. Full mmo. There’s no reason why we don’t have that now and ESO has been doing it for almost 15 years with hundreds of players on the screen while fighting.

I think what we really need in forge. New game mods, new maps, new campaigns. D2 can become an everlasting game if the players could create content.

I want to play as the Eliksni, Hive, or Cabal in D3

Bungie needs to smash that big ole “Destiny 3” button rn I stg.

What did Gladd expect? Players asked for new content delivered at regular intervals. That’s a season, my guy. They’ve even reduced the number of seasons so that they can focus on quality over quantity, which is what players have been asking for.

Man, plunging all of my stuff into irrelevancy would be the end of my gaming career for sure.

Quality of life improvements are much needed like improved inventory systems, fixed shader systems, and something like a search bar to find items really fast. D3 is necessary to help streamline the whole experience, as well as bring the world closer to an MMO experience. Though, this is what we asked from D1 to D2, and we did not get it. So there’s that.

A great thing for a D3 would be to be able to use our Ships in space fights; clan bases; huge lobbies, like traveling the whole of The Last City, Neomuna, etc. Plus, getting SRL back.

I absolutely agree that we are coming off a high. It's been a month and a half, which was such a good such a good run and now we are coming down. That's why I think we need to hold back on judging the future. In a few months then maybe we can we can really be worried about the future. I keep telling people to take a break if they are struggling. We'll have at least 10-11 months if not more to catch up on the episodes and they may prefer playing it when coming back.

The final shape should have been D3. It was such a good jumping in point. And that’s what’s missing in Destiny, a jumping in point. It’s so awkward. We do need a hard reset though. There’s so many people who don’t play this game because there’s so much they don’t have or understand

Destiny 3 would need to be built from the ground up to provide years of content on release, and I highly doubt that would happen. It would also need to change the recipe of the game enough that it isn’t just a big destiny 2 expansion.

What would d3 be if not the same as d2, you think because it has a new number it will change everything? Theyd just go back to the seasonal or episode content

I just don’t understand why we are having this conversation right now. It’s the post expansion episode, it’s not even (time wise) half way done, we haven’t been able to fully experience what the “episode” model offers - we haven’t seen the act 3 activities, the new exotic mission that they keep saying will be incredible, and they’ve already committed to changing how story beats drop for episodes 2 and 3. All this talk of “the current grind sucks, I want a new game… where I can…. Grind…”. I’ve gotten to the point as a player where I’ve muted the term destiny on Twitter and unfollowed almost all creators, because it seems like nothing, will EVER be enough the majority of the speaking heads in the destiny community. We just came off the end of a 10 YEAR story arc. It’s going to take time to build up to the same level of suspense and intricacy that we’ve had in story telling for the past 3-4 years. Despite the critical acclaim many people had, singing the praises of the final shape, here we are a few months later, back to the same disgruntled calls for “more. More. More.” At this point, I’m not even convinced people like Gladd actually even EVER liked playing destiny. I think they’ve learned how to monetize anger and greed, and that’s all they do.

I just want to keep the stuff I bought with real money if d3 comes out

I think rebranding seasons was not really to get people excited, but rather just because there's less content. A rebrand is necessary considering how mad players would be if they just released 3 seasons for the same price as 4. I'm actually loving this episode. The activities and story are really cool and I'm much more excited for each week's missions than I have been in a while.

I think a fresh start is completely warranted. I’ve been waiting and wanting D3 for the past 4 years. I really didn’t like the state D2 was in at the time and I think it was beyond light that was about to launch so I watched their reveal and they said “yea D3 IS D2”, so I was like “guess I have no choice. I have to see how this story ends since I gave it so much of my time since D1 beta”. It’s refreshing. New discovery and the feeling of nostalgia. It’d be a renaissance if done right. I’ve been off of D2 for maybe a year or more now, but I will play D3 if it happens

I would love for D2 to get somthing like a soft reboot similar to Final fantasy. Like make a big engine and grafik overhaul and the combined content of D1 and D2 together with a Big content drop, and if they have to minimize the content we get for a year or two too get that then I would be fine with that.

Anything that Bungie could do for D3, they could do in D2. We don't need an entirely new game when the devs and the players have invested so much into D2 over the last 7 years. I have faith that Bungie can keep this game going for a long while from 2025 onward. Leaving it behind to make a new game would just be too big a risk.

I think as a player who has played since the red war first released that we need a D3. I recently deleted one of my characters that I didn't use that often and found that the starter campaign has been replaced by one that barely even teaches new players how to play. Not only that but a lot of the stuff that was once part of the grind (blue items and grey items) are barely present anymore with them only recently starting to pop up more with TFS. I feel that D2 is gonna get to the point where eventually everything will need to get replaced as their game engine grows and their code becomes less and less refined with time. I know it will only happen again with D3 but atleast we'll have another actual starting campaign and the natural grind of the game again, even if only for a few more years when the game needs more refining.

It feels like the stories in the episodes is about tying up loose ends, storylines we havent gotten an end to yet. Then later in frontiers we will get new stories

As far as the story goes, I wonder if we will ever find out who the stanger was talking to when we first met her on Venus.

love the cabal and hive idea. How cool would it be if you where a fallen, hive, cabal and get to upgrade your character with glimmer, worm food, or what ever the cabal use to make them huge, or go psion root. --so you could start off as a thrall, turn yourself into a hive footman, then have access to hivbe and light powers as you transform to knighht, warlock, hunter, then you could become trusted witch queen minion and if you would like to be a god like eris. well...

i can guarantee if we get D3 it will use the same model d1 and d2 used. Full release with a lot of cut content that's instead getting shipped over 2 mediocre "expansions"(Osiris, Crota) before a big major expansion (TK, Forsaken) that revives the game and fleshes out the release to a critically acclaimed game again

There are all these talks about removing classes from our guardians in D3. And I think the only way to truly justify that is to have Guardian be one of multiple classes in the game. We've been introduced to so many other forms of power over the years, made allies of so many races, that I see, especially in an MMO setting, a game with more broadly diverse classes. The Guardian is the human (or human offshoot), or Lucent Brood who wields powers of light and dark. The Fallen, who focuses heavily on stealth and arc technology, with a shank buddy that provides support. The Cabal, who's even tankier than Titan-specialized Guardians. And uses big, cudgel-like weapons and shields. Maybe you get a pet Warbeast you can command to attack enemies. The Cloudstrider, one of many who are part of a new initiative, increasing their number into an army of sorts. Using nanotechnology and skating around through the air. The Techeun, an Awoken with powerful psychic abilities, such as telekinesis and mind-control. If we are going full MMO, broadening the scope of classes, races and player choice would be insane and create an enormous draw for the game.

Grind and RNG took me out for good as I feared when I took a genuine break for the first time. Having to come back and trying to catch up to everyone else after being gone for two seasons was an absolute nightmare that I don't think I have the strength to be able to go through it again. Catching up to all the raids I didn't play to get gear and exotics, doing the same thing for dungeons and having to acquire all the red borders from the previous seasons that I missed... Ps: playing Operation Seraph Shield 30 times a day for an entire week is torture, especially considering how many craftable weapons came out that season, plus the Ikelos gear, and that was only one of them...

The Grind is real Cross and only true veteran players are going to stick around like we always have

It has recently been leaked that code name frontiers is another hung jury reissue………… revolutionary

D3 is necessary at this point because its way to daunting for most considering a return to the game or are new players. Too much content is sunset. There currently isnt a clear way to play content chronologically(which is what incoming player base would want) 2 of the biggest issues imo. Grinding for gear/weapons from behind is no where near as painful as the first 2 issues

Damn. The feeling of no purpose after beating the witness. I guess the witness was right. They were gonna give us a purpose smh people

Aztecross not talking about the future of destiny for *the 100th* time challenge (impossible)

I ain’t coming back to destiny till 3, I haven’t played d2 since witch queen and i’m not just about hopping back in

I think I've mentally checked out at this point. I've been stuck on trying to get a 2000 power helmet for my Hunter... 2 straight weeks of resets and doing everything in that and I've yet to get a helmet. I have the worst luck ever. After ACT II started, I started asking myself "What the hell is the point? Right now I'm just grinding to get more weapons to grind for more weapons and armor and NOW the narrative isn't doing it for me." I've been trying out other games now. Many games have been sitting in my library. I think it's time to hand it up boys... I don't know if this game is worth it anymore unless they really start giving us a stronger new Narrative.

10 years ago we were all kids; today we are all adults, some of us even have kids. We do not have the time we used to have before. The game has reached its peak, now is the time to hop off.

I clicked on the video and got 19 mins and 5 seconds of a black abyss loading screen. Fitting.

Very well stated Cross!

I think to make the jump to a D3 I would want to have other playable races like having elites back in halo. Being able to run around as a fallen captain wielding the light would be so dope

What I want is forsaken amount of content as the base level for all expansiona going forward. New weapon types, multiple new destinations, evolving expansion story seperate from the seasons. Keep in mind Forsaken cost half as much as final shape does. If we're getting charged 2x as much, I would like at least as much content.

I think people forget that destiny is so unique with the amount it releases. I don’t think it matters if they call it seasons or episodes, there is already more content in these two acts than a season imo. I would like no expansion this year and for them to work on the engine and balancing and a really good next expansion that’s polished just like final shape If d3 does happen they need to port all our cosmetics because we don’t want to give them the opportunity to sell our d2 armor to us in d3

I feel like the only way to completely reboot is to enter the cycle that the exo stranger is stuck on

D3 would need new game tech. Maybe a true open world with much larger scale, maybe some light space flight mechanics with a 3D star and planet map interface, maybe a thriving player driven economy. Maybe some diplomacy with those outside of sol that can change based on the current narrative. Most importantly, it would require major upgrades on their end to support new possibilities. I believe it’s somewhat on us as community members to guide the vision for what we’d like to see in a sequel, and express our desire and willingness to be on board for this. There may not be a plan for one as it currently stands today. But in the meantime, frontiers certainly has me intrigued for what the current game tech of D2 is capable of. It just may help to bridge the gap between now and hopefully the sequel of our dreams!

After final shape I stopped playing when i got done with the expansion. Once the episodes came out I didn’t even bother to play it anymore. I’m sadden but again I’m glad I can kind of just stopped grinding all together

I think if episodes are suppoded to be self-contained stories like bungie said then they shoukd do ANY and EVERYTHING, like ya know....siva?

Could you imagine a D3 set in a future a thousand years from now? Humanity back on its feet, the Lucent Hive, Cabal, and The Fallen conquering territories of the Solar System. Light and Darkness co exist and butt heads but they are philosophies that are explored by those inbetween. We have new threats but also new allies and old ones. Like if Caital passed away and a descendant took her place but Saladin was still alive advising each new emperor. Having more hub locations, like ive always wanted the Tower but more over ive wanted areas for each class. Hunters have a bar they frequent, titans have a gym of a type of sumo arena they crash against, and Warlocks have a peaceful Library. This part I feel would be hard to implement but I wish we could choose species. Like being Hive, Cabal, or Fallen. At this point this would be a completely different game that I don’t think would be sustained by the current system but im not sure.i can still hope right?

I find it pathetic that after every DLC there’s always a streamer that complains about content.

noti gang

i think what theyre going to do with d3 is make the main character a citizen in the last city and have the last city as a playable area

One issue I routinely have had with D2 is the simplest question, “Will this grind be worth it for X item (s) come next season?” As someone who casually plays, if I login and spend 10 hours over a weekend trying to get “X” done and then immediately a couple months later it’s all but unusable, that’s when I feel like my time is wasted. There needs to be a better balance for the casual/grinders and if it’s just going to be a grinder based game, then that’s okay. But you’ll watch the numbers decrease in a large compacts because most people are in fact some level of a casual player.

The end of The Final Shape suffered the same fate as Marvel fans experienced after Endgame. And we can see it in the Episodes/Seasons just like we saw with the Marvel TV shows and movies that came out after Endgame finished. Eventually they found some diamonds, but it took a long time and a lot of work to get there. I hope the team can find the right direction to keep the majority of the community engaged and happy. It's no easy task. I do want to thank the team for putting out arguably one of the best expansions we have ever seen from Bungie. We also need to understand, like Aztec said, that not everything is going to be a high like The Final Shape. I'd love something new, something exciting. Something to totally change things up. Space battles in our ships like the Sabre missions from Halo? New and improved gamemodes like Onslaught. Throw in a curveball of some new crazy enemy summoned by the power vacuum that the fall of The Witness created and don't tease it over 3 weeks. Have them show up on our doorstep. Give us losses, a reason to fight. Disrupt the peace. There are a million things the creative team could do, I just hope we have the patience to wait they can deliver.

Speaking to the fall after the high of experiencing greatness, that's been me with FFXIV and Endwalker. After the conclusion of the story they'd spent so many years building up and how amazing the whole journey was, I've had a really hard time feeling motivated or interested in everything that's come after. I don't think it's possible for the game to make me feel that way, again. I'm relatively new to Destiny 2 so there's a lot of content and history I'm still enjoying experiencing firsthand. But, I can definitely relate to anyone experiencing the comedown from the high that built up to The Final Shape.

I agree with Aztecross when he says bring loot over i grinded for that stuff, wouldn't wanna lose it.

I get the experience sentiment. I have yet to find a single player experience that hit me like Mass Effect. I’ve played through the trilogy like 12 times and every time I get left with that feeling that this is the best it will ever be.

Here is an idea for a reset but that still allows you to bring something. Everything you have on your character, your loadout + the 9 slots for each main slot. Is all that you are allowed to have with you. It would make sense that for a D3 Bungie try to bring all the exotics from both D1 and 2, seeing that they are bringing in the exotics from D1 right now. The only major thing that would need to be planned is Legendary armor and weapons. Not everything would be put into D3 so what may be worth them doing is setting a base weapon and armor that is craft-able and give it all the perks and stats of the existing armor and weapons your character has. IE you have a shotgun, pulse, and hand cannon with two armor chest pieces one for grenades and another for damage and resilience. Each Item in this case is from a completely different season with different textures. An idea could be to make a base craft-able set of weapons and perhaps also armor and replace all the seasonal items with said base items only set said base items with all the stats and perks from the D2 counterpart. Doing it this way makes it so they are very likely to behave and function the same. Mind you one Key thing is weapons are much more likely to have behind the scenes stat differences, but this can be overcome by Bungie making it so they can be modified only though the system that allows you to "transfer" Your items. Mind you overall I've explained my idea in a fairly complex way but the sum is bungie could make a base set of items for D3 that are all craft-able allowing them to have a larger set of perks and stat combos. If bungie does this they can also set things so you can in some regard "transfer" your armor and weapons but in reality you are just giving yourself the same set of items all with the exact same stats and perks and behaviors as your D2 counterpart. It would be hard in some ways but that comes down to how willing bungie is to making weapons for the most part malleable and flexible with stats. Overall this makes it so you are still being reset but you are being reset in a way that allows you to still bring some of the tools you want to play with. This will allow for variety and some customization when playing right away while again, still being a restart overall.

The real reason why Destiny needs a sequal is actually for a reason that no one has talked about yet. It's too expensive for new/returning players. The only players that are going to play the game at this point are the existing playerbase, which will only ever decrease in size. I only took a year off from the game, yet if I want to play the game right now, today, I would have to spend $130 just to continue playing a 7 year old game... That is completely ridiculous. A brand new player would need to spend $200 up front, just to play what is in the game. There's no other game that I've ever seen that requires such an insane paywall.

For D3 a compromise would be for them to let us pick 5-10 things from our vault to bring into the next game and then force us to find them in the D3 world in a timely manner. Bad take but I don't mind when things slow down like this after an expansion. It gives me a chance to play other games I have been neglecting like Diablo 4, Forza Horizon 5, Dying Light 2, Remnant 2, etc. I'm not a casual Destiny fan but not a hardcore one either. I play through an expansion>do all of the epilogue quests>grind a bit for a couple weeks doing whatever>then I take a break. I used to play Halo 12 hours a day back when it was popular on the 360 and a buddy of mine told me the only reason I always do better than him was because all I know is Halo. I'll never forget what he said and it made me experience other amazing games.

What I think might be interesting for something like a D3 is still a live service game but told from the other side. Let us experience the entire story as one of the enemy races. Hive, fallen, vex, or cabal. Let us create a legend within *their ranks. There is a pretty set lore in how each becomes powerful within their own race, so let us experience that. I bet lore junkies would love it.

The issue with games with lore and stories is that they inevitably end unlike something like Helldivers, Overwatch, and combat games. The end inevitably arrives and it's just a perpetual cycle of highs and lows. I think that it's very much up to the story developing into infinity, it all revolves around that. We should never reach a point in which we ask "now what" but we should always look forward to something. The problem with "big bad guys" is that they can only get so big (not physically but lore-wise), it's like a finite escalation. What they should expand upon imo is on the "horizontal" axis. What I mean is that instead of keep going more and more ahead they could make us go sideways, like entering the alternate reality where the darkness wins from where Elsie Bray is from or maybe witness the war on Torobatl or something like that. Big enemies should not be "too big" but they should be mirrored opposites of us, think of Dante and Vergil from the DMC series. They need to expand the lore and the game sideways and not only linearly to be honest, I hope I conveyed the idea well. Basically it should be a "sideways retcon" or a "parallel POV storytelling"

I would love a D3 with a completely overhauled monetary system. Stop coming out with multiple $40 dlc’s. Just keep it simple. Subscription service $14-$15 a month, allows you access to all content added and battle pass. That’s it. Make it simpler new players who start the game late

2 things and this is coming from a destiny player that has over 10,000 hours in this game. If Destiny 2 hasn't ran its course; the question becomes when will it? This story has been going for 10 years and was revised during Shadowkeep to put a major focus on the light vs darkness saga, that saga has concluded. It is time to either drop the 2 next to the name or acknowledge that they have told the story they were aiming to tell for Destiny 2. Lastly, a reset/destiny 3 is necessary but will not achieve what everyone is looking for. Destiny 3 would need to bring the best features of Destiny 2 with it and innovate to the point that we fall in love all over again. We cannot have the launch of D3 be like D2 and then Bungie come out and say "this game is incomplete, and D2 has been out 8 years. Give us time and we will make something better". Majority of the playerbase are done with those excuses.

I support a complete reset for the exact reason everyone seems to not support it. I feel like having a vault full of 500 weapons really kills the appeal of grinding for anything else since we've covered basically every percievable roll I could want. If everything got reset then there would be something to grind for again.

Everything ends at some point will you move on or stay behind.