The future of Carbon wheels is disposable - The new Mavic Cosmic Ultimate 45 

Ah yes. Mad fibre. It makes me think we need a new item on the price list. Warranty negotiations

I'm not really old and after losing 3 stone and planning on losing at least 3 more... This is more than my whol bike, all of my spares, all of my accessories, clothing, tools... Twice over :D

This isn't for 99.9999% . But cycling consumers will do what they do... consume.

@@playmoreguitar5393 I want to consume adventures, hills and camping sights :D

Im with that!

Makes my new kitchen look like a fooking bargain!

update: with no name 45x28 tubular rims /carbon spokes/extralite hubs/ alloy spoke nipples it will weigh 937g and cost 1130 USD

Rolling resistance gain from top tubeless tires usually beats the gains from weight loss of tubulars

​@@invisiblescout6335 Can I get a source? its not that I doubt you its just that I cant find a good source that backs up that claim if you go with tubless instead of tubular it will just add like 50g

Of course it’s possible if low weight is all you want. Kevlar or Ti spokes, Carbon hubs etc etc. There are lots of cool products out there to get to tiny weights.

@@Mapdec whats not functional about it though? extralite hubs are great, carbon spokes work fine although a little bit stiff, and you can go to a much deeper rim which will be more aero while still having a lighter wheelset.

Yeah. And why not.

@@Mapdec I hope they will return to their former glory (but with hubs that don’t come loose every ride). I used to lust over their wheels when I started riding in ‘02, just the names and wild graphics alone made them cool as hell, not to speak of the fact that all the cool guys at my club had them..

Honestly, I thought mavic was dead

Yeah I guess nothing to corrode. Don't suppose these will come with a life time warranty though!

@@jpragmatic7759 the sustainability argument isn't really affected by the warranty, if it fails and isn't repairable, it's still scrap regardless of whether the company replaces it. I dont really care about warranty, who knows if whatever company is still going to exist when you need it, or find some way to weasel out. Better to buy quality

@@jpragmatic7759 I got monocoque wheels for my commuting bike for that exact reason. So far so good, they look as good as when I bought them, and no spoke corrosion

I get your point but there is also "no free lunch" here, the bonded spokes will still go thru the same forces and start showing damage at some point down the road, when that day comes the bonded spoke wheel goes to trash while the traditional wheel gets a new spoke and keeps going.

@@gokaygs same forces, but it's a vastly different load path. That carbon could, if properly design and manufactured, last forever.

Hell yeah! Wish I thought of that now!

A little narrow these days.

@@Mapdec Paul, I love how you try staying positive while evaluating these products. I owned a set of Mavic wheels that were fabulous kisyrium tdf anniversary with the bladed black spokes and one red spoke. Even back in 2004 they were top of line. 1400 grams. Awesome. Then Mavic decided to get into carbon spokes and had numerous catastrophic failures so that drove me away from upgrading and towards more reliable but also advanced brands like Zipp. For me personally there’s only so much tech I’m willing to embrace vs reliability, ease of maintenance and price.

These are road wheels, not gravel/mtb.

19mm internal is as wide as you need. Any more is just pointless, despite aero and tyre pressure claims

Good comment Branko

Defo. The the 2 speed hub….

Wow. Have you had to test that policy at all?

@@Mapdec I've been running Lightweight Wheelsets for many years and while riding my old Parlee got knocked off and the wheels destroyed.. the crash replacement policy was uncomplicated with original purchase receipt and pictures being enough to make the claim. These wheels now reside on my light custom geometry carbon Filament frameset and have since had a rim repaired due to a failed bunny hop attempt at speed. My Urgestalt runs Meilenstien Evo D. I also have Enve with Chris King Hubs, Zipps, DuraAce and FFWD wheels in my collection, none of these come close to the Lightweight for ride quality imho and the service I have had from the company resulted in me buying the frameset. I want a company who stands behind their products.

The bike surpasses any other bike at what exactly?

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Thanks Oz

Very true.

Huh. Are we still talking wheels?

@@Mapdec I've never had a wheelset from them ha do ly one front wheel. But had zero issues was a Cross One front wheel stayed true well, no issues, but osme ha disses with creaking, hubs seperating as they are bonded I think. But no longer have it. And will get rid of the bike it was on. But Mavic is a rare sight now, mostly see it on old downhill and freeride bikes. Some yellow Deemax. Dt Swiss seems to be the some of the most common wheel, rims, wheels, hubs now. Apart from ehat ever came stock on the bike being sold secondhand. But I don't own a shop nor looked at everyone's bikes. Buy based on secondhand market DT Swiss dominates. Mavic has UST rims m, which is Universal Standard Tubeless, which means they don't have holes in the rim in the channel, so you don't need tape, that's neatt for tubeless setup. But it never cought on. I've not tried. Do you have any experience with those? I think they lag behind in engagement, which is a big selling point of hubs now, industry nine hydra is popular now, I see many like Onyx too. Sprang clutch instant soft engagement, buy a bit heavier. I see project 331 has offering with 1.1 deg. I forgot what others have. Dt Swiss has 6.4 I think or something close to 6. But not perfect I want quicker so might eventually upgrade.

Yep. It’s too weird. Would they warranty if they went 0.2mm out of true?

We all love spending a bit of cash on our passions.

There is already a website for bolt torque I think. If I could figure a way for it to pay rent a wages I would.

Yes. We are ‘playing’ with some of those at the moment.

@@Mapdec looking forward to hearing from you about them. Am planning to buy a set sometime this year so I periodically do a search online if anybody has had any issues to be aware of and haven't really seen much

They have had a few changes of ownership.

Yes. We have a tough time just getting the most basic of spares, even from the wider internet.

Thank you. Let’s see what happens.

I’m up for wheels costing more than the frame, but yeah!

Yep. Just totally disposable.

Didn’t those have a thread at hub end for truing? Trying to find a picture.

Yep, but you can buy handbags more expensive than this 🤷‍♂️

I can almost guarantee that won’t happen

Yes. I think most of them now are a little pile of white corroded powder.

Mavic just seem to make life hard for themselves.

Ah. Length. I read it as girth 😂

@@Mapdec haha mind still in the gutter after the Rim-to-Rim discussion 🤣

Just the piles of unrecycleable landfill

Nice.

50% over 10 years time is just adjustment for inflation and not a "hiking" though, is it.

Fair enough. But it shouldn't be presented as an innovative and cheap alternative to Lightweight. This wheel set has been on the market for ages and can be bought 2nd hand as tubular rim brake versions for a bargain. They only adapted it to disc in the current version and increased the price by 50%.

@@user-iw2bf2ro3l ​ @Adrien Skakal Are you saying the older rim brake V-shaped were/are still available brand new at Mavic at the old 50% cheaper price? If they were the best wheelset you have ever owned why did you get rid of them? I can get that wheelset for £400. I run rim brakes and tubular tyres. Worth buying? What would be the advantage, bar aero which I don't really care about, if any over, say, 35mm Bora Ultra? They do look the dogs bollox.

@@82vitt I hardly go on Mavic's website so I can't answer you on that one. I'd sold them because I took a break from cycling. Now I have (and was forced to buy) a disc brake bike. I've yet to invest in proper wheels but at 4.5k I'll pass. As for you it depends on how you ride. If you race and attack on the climbs, this is your wheel set. Insanely light and insane vertical rigidity. You will absolutely fly. The downside is they aren't repairable and are fragile. If you hit anything with a spoke the front wheel is gone. Braking is also really bad. If it even might rain for a race you'll want to pass. If you aren't a racer I don't really see the point besides the looks... I'd go for something more comfortable with better braking.

Not that I know of

Lots and lots and lots and lots and lots

…. But will likely be used by many keen amateurs.

Yeah. We had some on test. It was ok. Mostly use the Effetto stuff though.

@@Mapdec Ok, I read up on all tubeless tapes sold in Norway, I've also checked out European retailers, will check out what others have, so my conclusion is they all are bad. Atleast if going by the non user error reviews. But I see some retailers sell a blue 3M tape, they just call it 3M Tubeless Tape. Not seen any retailer list the tape product name from 3M. I am sure it's not 3M Tubeless Tape. What I read about Effetto: afhisive failures, does not stick. About Schwalbe, Continental, Muc Off, they might be made by same factory, same flaws, same plastic roll, adhisive failure, tears easily, does not stick well, too dry adhisive, I experienced this with Schwalbe tape, I gave up. I can't have my tyr elose all air due to tape failure. And removing tiny bits of tape with my nails, pliers is absurd. Gorilla tape is not optimal needs a ride to seal up, the tape has holes in it if I out it up to the light I can see trough it. But it's strong, and lasts long. If carefully removed before it wears too much it leaves minimal residue but many do it the brutal and fast way resulting in massive sections of residue. But so fsr I've not found a tape that I even want to try. But don't want to stick with Gorilla tape, it was a temporary solution that kept going for years. I found something bad about all the tapes I researched that were in stock. I will look into other tapes and see what's available around the world. But limited fopyions in Norway, too wide, too narrow, tapes ths ti know are bad, or gorilla tape, but now i can buy Gorilla Tape locally anyway so it's easy to get. I found reviews in a retailer for the 3M Tubeless Tape, "lost it several places, comes off". Some wrote it works a sit should. So far I've checked out most Norwegian retailers, some German ones like bike components, looked at wiggle too. I will chceknou tother retailers i have a bookmark collection of many retailers. But will check out the common ones first.

@@Mapdec how was your experience with it? Why choose it over others? I need something better than Gorilla Tape but not tear or failing afhisive. I don't know if a tape that I would approve of exists. Maybe I will check out the mtbr post about tubeless tapes again see whay I forgot to look into.

Where we live Carbon rims and rim brakes are a big no! They warp, and fail from heat under long hard braking. I like disc brakes mainly because it opens up a world of opportunities with wheel choice, width, diameter, construction etc. Most internal rim widths start at 19mm. 21mm is getting very common and works really well with 28c tyres.

@@Mapdec thank you!

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Search "Recycling carbon fibre". Rgr

Sounds good to me.

That tool to undo the lock ring on the freehub

The lockring with 4 or 5 holes? I use circlip pliers with the 90 degree ends to remove and refit 👍 But yeah, what a ridiculous idea

No one would buy it.

@@Mapdec why not, lowest possible weight of the bike is quintessence of road cycling 🤔

@@Kanonka28 because I can’t honestly remember the last time a customer asked me for anything rim brake other than to repair existing stuff.

They are virtually identical. The new one have more hub shell machining to reduce weight and the ratchet has more points of engagement. You can upgrade old hubs with new internals.

Open pro Carbon aren’t great, Royce hubs don’t make a disc hub for yet. I do t think… weird when I think about it.

@@Mapdec Open Pro Alu!! £60 a rim.

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Everything will break with enough UV and force. I have no doubt they are strong, but one little tangle with a pedal in a peleton will lead to replacing more than just a spoke or two.

@@Mapdec Oh, absolutely. But if you're just riding around, no accidents ... wouldn't they last indefinitely(ish)?

@@abhattal I just ride around and have broken spokes.

Yep, yep, yes

I am predicting aero fin spokes and tyre gap inserts like in F1.

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You’ll see stuff like this at things like Ride London, and Sa Calobra.

@@Mapdec good luck to them, I'll stick to worry about my FTP and wpkg 👍

Loads of it.

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Kit for emperors that like clothes

New clothes. Been there, worn them.

Sure. This is the weird world of performance engineering in small scale

So 2019.

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There was defo a smirk I was trying to hide 😂

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