Feature the direct drive motor on a build! Really looking to use this over hub motors! Just built a 12s4p hub motor setup. Would love to sell, and go for an upgrade
I got an important question. These direct drives are from eLofty skateboards, its a fairly new chinese brand and there were some issues with their quality control ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ERYZDyoaY3k.html also many people on the esk8 forum have complained about the cutomer service from their chinese contact person Kenna. I'm very interested in this new direct drives but worried about reliabilty, so i would like to know if you have tested the motors for some time without having any issues?? Will they ride without overheating ?(no temperature sensor)
Ermm. When's the last time you built or bought a hub motor eboard. The esc has a big impact on performance. Enertion boards. Off the shelf boards like meepo v3 and their awd more than hold their own against the popular belt boards. Esk8 builders recently built a hub board with dated maytech hubs that went 30mph. Noise free, free wheeling, cheap and effiecent is why hubs are so popular.
It would have been nice to mention the ground clearance problem in the pros and cons arguments, as adding 100mm wheels eliminate it but lower the torque...
@@remyslosse1392 most people dont care much about torque when the added comfort of large wheels is a very nice change, also get a little more top speed.
Got a Backfire Zealot the other day (belt driven). I love the direct drives but most of the boards I've seen have them too low to the ground for my taste. In a couple years I'm sure they'll be even better as well as cheaper, so I'll ditch the Zealot around then and get a dank direct drive board (=
Cool video. I’ve been interested in making a kit I can take on/off my board when I’m on the go. Direct drive seems to be the way to go in terms of being able to accomplish this. I downhill skateboard and would love to not have to drive around to each hill or get so beat pushing long boring roads.
Looks like a decent product but you neglected to mention their biggest problem, the lack of clearance. How durable is the outer part of the motor? How would it react to concrete rash?
What about a skid plate? That would fix that problem. And it wouldn’t add much weight. You could even use plastic just something that keeps SOMETHING between the motor bell and asphalt or whatever you are riding on (rocks, dirt, etc)
It would be easy to make durable and replaceable skid plates. For similar projects I've been using kitchen cutting 'boards' that come in four packs with primary colors that are only about 1mm thick yet are very tough, but it could be as cheap as some 2liter bottles.
For the ESC enclosure you sell on your website, where do you get the battery indicator that connects to those plug and play ESCs that is included with the enclosure? Because I can only find them without the wired connection with the display only
If I get ur Direct drive would I be able to put the Mountain wheels on them I can't find any videos thst you did that since if I go on a Dirt road I dont think it will be good on a pully System since it going to get dirt Smalle rocks On the pulley itself what would you recommend and is it easy to go from Mountain wheels then back to regular Wheels
I have hub motors, yes they do feel a little harsh. but on the noise /sound, i love the sound of the Razor with gear drive . only about 16 KPH but the sound. Like a 747 winding up. The other thing is people hear you coming,
@@joshdimovski4483 I ride a lot around the lake where I live. There is a lot of crap from trees ( seed pods ) and some gravel with hub I don't worry about belts breaking.. The twin motors do get me up a fairly steep hill at home. The belt would go up bit quicker but not enough to debate. My board is rated at 3000 watt top speed 35 kph. I have measured at 37. One thing you should consider is trucks , reverse king pin are more stable at high speed. Standard kingpins carve better. Double kingpins very carvey but stability drops.
I am sure they are really nice! :) But so are also the new 100mm Meepo hubmotors. I run two of dose on my DIY, VESC board. They are speced 540W each so 1080W total on 10S, but I run 12S and 40A to each motor that makes the board really powerful and fast (35mph) (2000W). And the motors do not get to hot like older hubmotors use to get.
@@Nisse977med et navn som Nisse måtte du jo i det minste være nordisk eller hva. Jeg har hatt et nls pro brett i de siste par månedene, mitt første eskateboard. Men fikk lyst til å øke kraften som du har gjort.
@@johannesdoderlein6655 Hehe yes :) I answer in english so the others understand to. I use the new Meepo hubs and a Flipsky Dual FSESC4.20 (VESC) (2x50A) that able me to set the power and regen I like to use. The old Meepo ESCs outputs max 2x15A if I am correct, and the new ones outputs max 2x32A for these new hubmotors. If you like your board, you can just change the Meepo ESC for a VESC and get more power if your battery can deliver enough current :) Good luck!
With a price of 500 and up, it depletes the purpose. Direct drives are supposed to be options for people trying to save. I’d rather buy a complete set and save my self the hassles of building one when there isn’t much difference in the price.
There are definitely special cases. Enertion is in a league if its own 😎 But in general, off the shelf Hub motor options will typically be out performed by belt driven systems.
Look up their reputation and the insane amount of customers who have been screwed over by them, for both customer service, quality control, and wait time. They're insanely powerful, but not worth it for how long they last.
They are new and there aren’t a whole lot of manufacturers making them yet. As soon as there is a bit more competition and they are made at a higher volume the prices will come down. Just a matter of time.
did he just said you get stability with dkp on high speed! he legit lie to peoples faces! dkp is = the most unstable truck out there, litterally nothing is more unstable than dkp on high speeds
Some guy already tried this and it didnt really work/last, because of how close the motors are to the ground. Meaning every little rock and or uneven part of the road will hit full force right into the motor case. So this aint it.
I would agree that they are a bit expensive. The price will come down as more and more companies begin to produce them. But I wouldn’t say overrated, they are very very nice and incredibly smooth.
Thanks for all the videos bro... Just one quick question, if we use the vesc to limit the belt driven motor's rpm (let's say to 3040), would that give us more torque than a setup with the same wattage output but rpm on the motor's default values (9120 out of 48v * 190kv)?
What is the freespin like Vs resistance on belt? I'm thinking direct drive with some Bronson Shieldless Bearings. Thinking get up to speed and might get to coast for a long time. I ride GTR with AT's and only coast on steep hills. On throttle next to 24/7. Interested in direct drive but yeah still not sure.
You also get crap trucks you didn't want. Belt driven you choose the best of everything. Wheels, motors, trucks, bushings etc all your choice. Part replacement easy including motors. Sorry my dude but the noise of belt driven is also awesome!
Definitely a ton of benefits to belt driven set ups! We personally really love how modular belt systems are. But we are definitely going to see more manufacturers adopt these types of motors.
I look at belt driven and direct drive and I dont see a difference. Cant you just bolt down the outer portion of a belt driven motor with a custom clamp to the trucks and attach and adapter to use any wheels? I dont even get my belt driven was every created... the outer motor case spins...for what? If you just made the motors like any other electronic motor on earth the center shaft spins...end of story... I think it was a ploy to make more money by taking a step backwards and then go and introduce new more expensive motors...that are just normal motors after taking 2 steps backwards ...
I totally see what you’re saying. It all comes down to production cost and the cost of custom fitting motors onto custom trucks. As the Esk8 community grows more and more money will be invested into creating things for performance rather than cost.
The only downside of Direct Drive is the ground clearance under motor so it may be susceptible to hitting junk. Yes, I do like the idea and am contemplating swapping my hubs. seem's they have one other problem...... getting replacement skins in the first place.
Can you make a interstellar build tutorial using direct drive motors and using 2 vescs instead of a esc? I want to do that build myself and also fit into the enclosure a 12 s 4 p battery with a charge status led, also other then the obvious choice using shred lights can you include wiring in chstom led strip for the sides or front and back lighting for braking abd seeing ahead in the dark and one more big ask? How about a horn function for the board that can be activated by the remote or another simple on off blutooth device, so many times i have needed a horn to alert a careless driver and a born that would be loud enough to get their attention would be amazing thanks for making a the content your channel is so good to watch and learn more about how to do diy on your owb board
Set up is almost identical. We have a tutorial on dual VESC set ups on our channel already. And a FocBox and a 12s4p will fit in the XL enclosure if you want to go that route.
so what size is that board pictured in your video? i would love a diy setup like that with that board its just the perfect absolutely perfect size!! anyway we can work together and parcial sponsor me so i can create some awesome review video content for your use however you like? please let me know if we can talk more about this opportunity along with what exactly i can offer MBoards as a company... thanks and have a great day, -p3t3r
One thing to note is that if you are using "smaller" wheels, your direct drives will hit and get all scratched up by road debris. Idk if it will damage them, but it surely isn't good. You should run wheels at least 100mm+ in diameter.
Can we get a version without the double king pin truck? They're great for off road, but I've heard from a few reviewers that its similar to a car, where your more planted to the ground and get less speed wobbles with a lower stance truck.
looks like the biggest advantage here is added wheel selection and full spec wheel shock absorption. A hub motor could be longer and stick out of the wheel sleeve while not compromising on ground clearance as much.
I want to buy a direct drive skateboard but can't find anything on the market (since the Raptor 2 is not being sold.) However I don't know how to to build a DIY board. Could you give a tutorial on how to build this exact board in this video? It looks perfect.
Hey, I was looking at the direct drive kit, and the hobbywing esc you have on your website. Does the esc put out enough amps to support the direct drive? It says 22A on the website, but the website also says it is for the dd, which needs 55 amps not 22. I was just wondering if this is important, or if it is bottlenecking the dd kit. Ive got a 35a esc which is better, but nor sure if it can support the kit either...
Direct drive is definitely the future but will still never be as powerfull as a direct drive. Every time you double your kv rating of the motor you are 1,4x ing your power density of the motor. Thats why gears are still very practical to producing the highest amount of power possible.
@@MBoardsco Fantastic thank you! Would you say a direct drive system would work for a small board set up? I'm trying to a build a board similar to the boosted mini x just improved in some areas. so somewhere in the 28-32 inch board range.
Hey Mike, I was really set on buying a prebuilt electric skateboard, but you're really making me reconsider. Watching this video, I believe that I would definitely want to go the direct drive route. However, I'm having a tough time finding tutorials on how to build a skateboard around this system. Could you please do a DIY build with a direct drive? Thanks!
Yes definitely need to use these in a build. They’re actually very easy to install. It’s as easy as attaching the trucks to a deck and plugging in the phase wires to an ESC. Definitely on the easier side of building.
Perhaps a silly question but could I install these on my Evolve GT? Are there boards like my Evolve with direct drive to buy if you do not want to build a board? Thank you
I’m not 100% on how the stock evolve ESC would react to the direct drives. But I would guess that they would work with some adapting of connectors. Worst case, an ESC would need to be replaced as well. But definitely possible 👍🏻
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Thank you for this video. I kept hearing about direct drive but no one explained it. So does direct drive have good torque or more torque than belt driven boards.
Belt driven will have more torque due to the gearing ratio. Direct drives are limited to a 1:1 gearing ratio whereas belt driven set ups can adopt any gearing ratio.
Yeah can it be used as drop in replacement from hobbywing based pre built (wowgo) esc? I heard that you need to run it sensorless. Any idea what does that mean
