Expand on this. To what extent? What’s the line at which we are glorifying drug use? Is cocaine ok to do on video? No? Is tren? Yes? Everything? To throw a blanket statement like this with absolutely zero nuance or consideration for any other side is precisely why I make these videos. You are the exact person I describe in this video.
@@zacktelander happy to. We are generally open to letting people discuss other kinds of drug use. There are songs, movies, places of business that cater to other drugs. We generally are okay with people drinking openly, smoking on video, and cocaine is a common place in film and music. Are we glorifying alcoholism with songs like "I love this bar?" I think your point about understanding the risks of their drug use is important, but anytime we call for action on substances like this we inch towards the kind of criminalization and prohibition that defined prohibition and the last 50 years of marijuana policy. I'm not up for sending people to jail for people choosing what they want to do with their own bodies, and I also think it drives avenues to discuss safe use underground.
@@zacktelander that is a tiktok issue not a drug issue. If they allow one drug or another that is there choice. If it was decided that people can have choices of vaccines to put in our bodies, people can put stuff not labeled for human consumption in their bodies if they chose to. Hell we had a president suggest using a disinfectant to clean the rona out of your body! lol that isnt for human consumption either.
@@josephbloxham3992 Open Drug Use is nothing like prohibition. Humans have been drinking alcohol since 3000+ BC, thats how we know its "safe". Humans have been taking synthetic hormones like 50-100 years, and designer stuff way less 10-20 years. Prohibition is bullshit because we know alcohol wasn't ruining society, in many ways it helped create early society (see Mesopotamia potable water vs beer). Banning substances from adults is totally reasonable in some cases, for instance cyanide and anthrax are both controlled substances and thats a good thing. Same goes for Benzos and opiods, they should be controlled, or people would be ODing way more.
@@zacktelander The most insidious aspect of these drugs is that their broad appeal grounded in aesthetics and looks NOT performance -- something you've touched on before. If they only improved performance and nothing else, they would be so niche that I'm not sure it would be worth regulating them. The problem is that people conflate looking good (jacked, shredded, lean, etc) with fitness/health--in large part because that's how health and fitness has been sold to people in the US since it was something you could sell. I'm old enough to remember when George Bush Sr. appointed Arnold as the Chairman of the President's Council on Physical Fitness and Sport--the symbol the US government chose to embody "health". That's just one example, but is it any wonder people's minds are beyond warped at this point?
Agree but he looks amazing and feels amazing most of the time. He’s in the gym And growing .. if you take him off the gear he probably loses most of his audience and identity. It’s really bad these days as these online guys are now incentivized to use gear
Younger generations are weak minded individuals that rely on constant attention to function. Without that constant attention via social media or in person melt away like the wicked witch and water from wizard of Oz.
@@brianmeen2158he doesn’t look amazing. There’s thousands of guys that look like him on steroids. What would look amazing in this day and age is a guy that just looks decent like ottermode and is 100% ok with his body.
These kids will realise how bad this stuff is when they get into their late 20s/early 30s and want kids and can't because they took every compound under the sun. I started lifting during the Zyzz era and a bro of mine bought into the aesthetic lifestyle and ran a shit ton of gear. He ran so much his ball no longer work, is on TRT for life and can't have kids.
"I'll just get it cut out later" is one of the most insane things I've ever heard someone say. Great video as always but man these kids are getting more messed up year after year.
@@MegaTeachmehow It's messed up because it's an avoidable side-effect of a massively unhealthy and illegal drug a teenager is taking. It's like a drug addict saying "I'll just to rehab later". It's not comparable to a cosmetic surgery, no, but I'll bite just for fun. Yes, it is equally messed up if not worse. I'll say it again; kids are getting more messed up year after year. This period of human history will be remembered with mockery and disbelief.
@@MegaTeachmehow It's messed up because it's an avoidable side-effect of a massively unhealthy and illegal substance a teenager is taking, and sharing this online is a like a justification or promotion to others. It's like an addict saying "I'll just go to rehab later". It's not comparable to a cosmetic surgery, no, but I'll bite just for fun - Yes, that is equally messed up if not worse. I'll say it again; kids are getting more messed up year after year. This period of human history will be remembered with mockery and disbelief.
its not insane at all lol, loasd of people hjave gytno, loads of people want plastic surgery, thats fine. because its their body, let them do what they want :)
As a personal trainer in a gym where fellow trainers and gym goers alike take (and brag about) loads of gear usage, I’ve come to one simple conclusion. They take it for legitimate self esteem concerns. I know I will open myself up to a crop of hormonal and passionate gear heads telling me “I’m jealous” or “I’m a hater” or my favorite “ enjoy being small and weak.” I can honestly say they can HAVE the drugs. My life is great, I compete happily at a high level in rugby, and I don’t have to worry about losing function of my nuts by age 35. But I know “everything would be better on gear” 😂
Not surprised to see you mention rugby: I think sport is the difference maker. Most these kids, and the influencers, seem to have gotten into lifting because they felt physically inadequate, with it nearly always stemming from their lifestyles when they were kids. For some, the self esteem issue resolves itself when they get in shape. For others it becomes a bottomless pit. Every RU-vid transformation video dating back to Zyzz himself is the same: ‘I spent all day gaming, got to 16 and girls didn’t like me, guys called me fat / skinny, so I decided to make a change *cue beat drop*’”.
I have to say, being in my 40s, my reproductive system still works, I don't need TRT, I'm still playing rugby, and I'm a good influence on my kids when it comes to health and fitness, absolutely blows any idea that I could have been more jacked in my 20s out of the water.
I waited until 31 before starting gear. I was 6' 6" 240 lbs., single digit BF natural but wanted to be bigger. Took everything under the sun. Peaked at 292 lbs. 12% BF. Looked like a taller version of The Rock. Last year at age 43, I ended up in the ICU for a week with Tachycardia and Afib. My pulse was over 200 BPM and the Afib was horrible. To get my heart beating normally, they literally killed me and used the paddles to bring me back. They told me I was incredibly lucky I didn't have a stroke or even die. I spent a week with 2 different IVs pumping me full of meds to get back to normal. Now I have 3 heart meds and 1 thyroid med and all of them make me feel like shit. If I would have stared in my late teens or early 20s like the morons these days, I'm sure I wouldn't have seen 40. These idiots will learn the hard way.
Glad you’re with us, Glad you’re telling your story. These kids are playing roulette but they don’t know it. Bullet travels slow but it gets you in the end…
Thanks. If I had to do it all over again, I would only use Test and in low amounts. The funny thing is that 80% of the people who take steroids still look like shit...bad diet, bad workouts, drinking alcohol, etc. @@echotango4591
Why would you want to be bigger? Lol I'm 6'3" 215 pounds lean natty and I'll never have to inject anything to maintain my gains. I've also not maxed out and I'm still making gains. I'm already at a point where I'm way bigger than normal people and basically every guy in the gym. I'm at the point where I think I'm bordering on too big but I just love working out.
Pfff that made sense since day one which is why i physically bought copies ans sent it out to so many people, warning them this is what the US will become.
I have to say that with the amount of information out there the kids already KNOW that taking these things is not good for them, yet they do so anyway because of role models, youtubers justifying or normalizing it - even ppl like G Doucette, and it's kinda difficult to sympathize with them which it wasn't before. A greater amount of youth today search for short cuts for everything in life - money, fame, image, strength then these things happen, they don't want to take time to build character, time to learn, accept that frustration and patience is key to development. But I'm glad you make these videos anyway.
Surely they know that there are risks, but the extent and permanence of them is lost on a lot of users I think. Especially when it comes to untested research chemicals... Yeesh But honestly, the absolute stupidity of the whole thing is very alluring to young people. It feels powerful to spite all common sense, medical knowledge, and legality and take steroids. It's a huge reason why teens do any drug tbh. All my opinion of course.
They sort of get that it's got potential bad side effects, but they haven't fully understood the gravity of it. No 20 year old gives any thought to their heart health, it's not even on the radar. Nor should it be, they're at that age when they get their health for free. Steroids changes that, though. That, and their hormone balance, fertility, internal organs, mental health, and who knows what else. You might get them to worry about gyno, but not much else. I'm just an old man yelling at clouds.
with products such as a "not for human consumption" embroidered patch and an "anabolic travel case", I'm sure that they expect their compounds to only be used in a lab!
I have been following this problem since I was a young pre-teen athlete. I’m happy you’re talking about it. It saddens me because young men will die. I have taken a bit of a hiatus from both the gym and my athletic passion (MMA) rn to look after my body with physical therapy and get my personal life in order. This issue motivates me to reach the highest levels of athleticism I can naturally because we as a generation are lacking in roll models in this. Fake naturals really have induced a sort of body nihilism when it comes to what you can achieve naturally and it is messing a lot of people up. It’s not enough that people are forthcoming with their drug use. There have to be natural examples that people can aspire to as well
The problem is that 99% of people have never seen a natural public figure's physique once in their lives, so what they think is natural is completely fucked. Hell, I had people flaming me for being a hater for "accusing" Arnie of being on steroids when Arnie himself has openly talked about not being natty 😭 Ditto with professional athletes and actors saying dumb shit like "I train 16 hours a day and do an all bear meat diet. That's how I put on 30lbs of lean muscle mass with 0% body fat in just 3 months, nothing else," and people being ignorant enough to believe it.
@@MastaBlastaS99 my issue that people either completely overestimate how good you can look as a natural, but a lot of people go the opposite position and think everyone is on steroids if they look impressive. We need to be honest about what is naturally achievable, but we still need to be aspirational. Too many young people don’t train hard enough and just believe you can’t get a body you’d like if you’re natural
It’s just deflating because search RU-vid and you’ll find about 75% of the fitness creators are on gear . They are now even More incentivized to take them Due to how important their look is to their audience. It’s hard to try and convince young guys to not take gear when so many successful guys with jacked physiques are!
@@MastaBlastaS99lol yeah I’ve had painful convos either guys in their 40s and 50s that think it’s possible to look like John Cena without drugs.. one has to train for a certain amount of time to realize just how hard it is to build muscle to realize what natural limits are
I'm a natural Strongman Competitor. One of the things I love a out strongman is that even though I don't use, and never will, it is an untested sport. That means that the Athletes are all honest about their use. Guys talk about it very openly and I have always preferred that honesty. However. I believe it has become too acceptable. Because natural guys no longer believe they can be competitive. That's what I've set out to prove. We need to get back to some semblance of reality where we don't end up promoting this shit especially to younger guys. And unfortunately, the only way I've found, is to show people that you can kick ass without them. Most kids will hop on, in my experience, because they don't believe you can be exceptional without drugs.
you are trying to make natural sound entitled, wont work mate. also who cares if someone is natural or not, its not something you have to prove. why do u think men sport is so much more interesting than the female counterpart? why do you think open bodybuilding is so huge and tested competition isnt?
Fellow natural Strongman competitor here. Agree with you. And hopefully with enough support the Natural Strongman scene will eventually get popular enough to get moving well. It'll never be as exciting as the as the 300+ lb monsters, but as a SPORT and a pipeline for smaller athletes, it's NECESSARY.
One of my close friends of over a decade is a lifetime natty Strongman, and is very prominent in the Australian strongman scene. He set out to do the same thing as you, and he's doing well. What's even better about him is that he has zero judgement about PED use, but is absolutely massive about it's education. I mean, I'm a non natty powerlifter (his on-paper arch nemesis), and we're still awesome friends who can look past that issue
Nah terrible comparison, you only get one body but you can do EVERYTHING internal to a motor and have it live at exceptionally high power for a long time if you have a shitload of “fuck you” money
Key differences: - Because we made cars we have quite a good understanding of how they work whereas the body is still under extensive research and there are huge amounts we do not know. - All parts in a car are replaceable, and when replaced are always successful. In a human only some parts can be replaced (e.g. kidneys) however with a high failure rate and massive downsides (including lifelong dependence on immunosuppressant drugs that impair the functioning of the rest of the body). Other parts cannot be replaced when destroyed e.g. the liver. - Modifications to a car generally improve functioning of one area and do not interfere with the others. Drugs generally improve functioning in one area with side effects that usually impair function in other areas. E.g. anabolics reliably increase muscle mass, but also reliably derange blood lipids, increase blood pressure and lower intelligence.
Im 36. Australian, grew up on MISC in the Zyzz era. Saw a few comments mention him. Thought i would add that was before 'link in bio was a thing. He pushed people to work hard but never pushed gear like he was making commission from it. I was really into workings out teens to mid 20s. Then i sought growth in other areas of my life. I really value health and fitness now BUT NOT being as big and shreaded as possible. For a hormonal young brain, that makes sense. It's sad to think young people will make permanent, dangerous decisions. They have no idea where or who they will be at 30.
U Aware? There's an irony to zyzz. Shortly before he died somebody asked him when he thought he looked his best. He said at 85kg, in the first photo that went viral of him doing the pose (in the changing room iirc). Said it was the best look for women, too. But then the ominous words: "but fuck it, I wanna be a monster". He was dead just months later.
yea i think most people know zyzz was geared up but it wasn't really the point. he was a really positive bro who didn't promote gear as the secret sauce to getting shredded. "we're all gonna make it" means all of us bro gear or not. it is sad he died from the complications tho
Got diagnosed with low testosterone at age 35 (approximately 5 months ago) It’s called hypogonadism. Never used any test or steroids before. Doc got me on a weekly cycle of testosterone cypionate and then recently started running a 10 week deca cycle, all prescribed through the doctors office and administered by them. Every 6 months they do a full blood panel and check everything, including liver enzymes and prostate enzymes and an EKG It’s all been a pretty good experience so far. The worst side effect I’ve gotten is only a small amount of acne here and there. I definitely feel like mid 20’s again, only stronger and bigger 😎
The question you should be asking yourself is "should you feel like you are in your 20s when you are in your 30s?" If what you say is true, that you are only doing it to be healthy and used responsibly, the goal should be to get you to feel your age. As far as I am concerned, you are a legal drug user who justifies it via some self righteous a "doctor did this for me". I mean, no hate here, but don't pretend that TRT isn't a lighter form of assistance. Sure, maybe some do need it, maybe. But the science can be manipulated as the "normal" ranges are all over the place.
@@SWTORDREKKIN Fully agreed. Seems like he's coping and on SPORTS TRT and not actual regular TRT. Sports TRT dosages are slightly higher than regular TRT and the deca too? Just odd. You'll still lose ur hair and age faster even on this cope TRT you're doing. Hopefully the gains are worth it to you lol
@@N3RDYLICIOUSI’ve been on trt over 7 years (started at 29) due to an injury and I’ve talked with my doctor and he said that we should titrate the dosage down as I age. I’m not even pushing the upper limits for my age rather, I’m pretty much in the middle of the reference range which my doctor advised is the healthiest way to do this.
It's truly insane to me to see this stuff. Growing with Zyzz I was kind of glad when Noel Deyzel became popular because he was open about how he wasn't natty and I've always followed guys like Juji who, while he doesn't talk about it, is still open about being on steroids. Guys like those two showed that there are standards you can't reach while natty and that that is fine you can be yourself and no one should give you shit for it and hey you're an adult you can make your own decisions and deal with your own consequences, just like they do. But now what I worried would happen is happening, like you said the pendulum has swung too far back in the other direction. Now the honesty that we appreciated around non natty guys who wanted to be open in a sea of fake nattys has made young guys like this the new asshole archetype bent on replacing the fake natty. The toxic gym bro influencer now is just a guy on steriods. He doesn't need to hide shit, he doesn't need to trick you with his unattainable physique when selling programs that won't make you look like him. Now he's just needs to shove a needle in his ass while telling you where to buy it and bam, instant success. Absolutely nuts.
That is why i don't channels that always do natty or not . They say trying to expose the truth while encouraging novices you can't get there without drugs while selling supplements .
Yea, it’s crazy how acceptable it’s become. I started training as a teen and it was *heavily* looked down upon then. I have never and never plan to use PEDs but I can’t say I would have made the same decision if I was a teenager now. To any teens reading this considering anabolics, please reconsider. You don’t know who you will be in 10-20 years, I personally as a teen never thought I would make it much past 30 nor cared to, and thankfully still stayed natty. Now I’m 34 with 2 kids and hoping to be around for at least a few more decades, and while I still workout, I’ve realized overall it’s waaaayyy less important than I use to think. Unless you’re a professional bb or athlete, your future self will thank you, and honestly your present self likely will too.
I do believe the biggest problem by far is social media and insta I feel much better going to the gym without having any insta or tiktok and following very few fitness related channels
None of those drugs contribute to rhabdo inherently. Some combination of incredibly intense weightlifting, dehydration, a lot of alchohol consumption, and an electrolyte imbalance do. You’re probably leaving out details, but this comment doesn’t make any sense.
@@dooby1445 rhabdo is an adverse event related to androgen abuse. My point remains, this isn't TRT. Or as a internists say, treatment of primary hypogonadism.
@@stephend50 Do you have any evidence for that claim? The only information I can find is a study concluding that injecting in the deltoid IM may induce rhabdomyolysis due to the high volume bolus vs available muscle tissue size, and that injecting SC or IM in the thigh or glute would be superior. Source: Localized Rhabdomyolysis Associated With Testosterone Enanthate for Gender-Affirming Hormonal Therapy - doi: 10.1016/j.aace.2022.09.005
These kids in their twenties think they’re never gonna get old. They’ll take all this gear, and they’ll suddenly find themselves in their 40’s but they’ll look like they’re in their 50’s. Using steroids ages the human body prematurely.
Watching this while havong lunch break from spending the day coordinating clinical teams to respond to children with eating disorders. This nonsense is all part of the same big picture. Exhausting and exhausted.
For thousands of years folks only cared about performance. No one really thought about aesthetics and nowadays folks are obsessed. Like, Zack can perform, yet folks judged him by his looks and I'm glad Zack got passed that mess
Well let’s be honest for 90% of guys it’s not about performance it’s about how they look.. young men want to be huge and ripped and they want it fast. I get it. I notice just how rare it is that I see guys that even look like they lift! Most guys and girls I see look out of shape
100 percent accurate. There’s so many juice heads that make videos now that any natural dude will get trashed on for “his physique” Little do all the sheep know that the gear heads only look good because of drugs 😂
I think this is a reaction to the fake natties explosion of those years. So (probably) these guys, after training naturally for 1 or 2 years, have noticed that they were not even close to the results of their favorite fake natty youtuber, so they realized that the "you're not training hard enough/eating enough" was a lie, and thought "screw it! I'm hopping on tren and tell everyone about it!". Anyway, all this really makes me sad, because many many young guys go to the gym with unreal expectations, and when i tell those guys that i trained for way more than two or three years, they think i look like sht because their (fake) natural standard is not Igor Opeshansky (Vitruvian Physique) or Jesse James West (that i believe are actually natty and trained for years), but all these ig totally fake natties; so i think that, in the years to come, unfortunately, we are going to see more and more of these frustrated roid users.
I know a guy personally who said that he reached his natural limit 2 years after starting training. Now he blasts steroids like nothing else and the change in his brain chemistry has made him look like the biggest idiot on social media, rambling about misogynistic opinions and threatening to fight anyone he sees on the streets unprovoked. I was considering PEDs a while ago, 5 years into training, but seeing what he’s become has made me stay natural. It’s not worth it, not now not ever
@@snooperty thanks dude! I just wanna have some muscle and be in good shape when I hit my 40s and 50s. It's crazy to feel the best ever physically at 34
I'm taking a peak behind the curtain this year, and competing in bodybuilding. Bodybuilding is the easiest training I've ever done; it's difficult to stay engaged with. This experience has moved me over to laugh in the face of PED users camp. What an absolute joke. They're taking the easiest thing in the gym, making it easier, and then basing their egos on their "accomplishment". Maybe try being successful with what God gave you, you'll have a healthier ego and probably a better group of people around you.
I've learned to just embrace it. It's an unfortunate reality. Trying to ban PEDs in sports and trying to control everything is an absolute waste of time, money, and mental energy. You will never have clean sports. Never. You will never stop people from doing these drugs. The best thing you can hope for is teaching personal responsibility and mature decision-making.
Part of the issue is that hard work and being natural will not allow someone to be competitive within certain parameters. Nobody natural is going to total 2000lbs while weighing under 250lbs. It is not just about appearance but also performance. Austin Perkins squatted a tad over 700 in competition while weighing something like ~160. At that point PEDs are required to compete. It is the same story with weightlifting but every time it happens in weightlifting it gets swept under the rug.
i got some clen off that site once, the side effects were terrible and i stopped using it after a week. went back to ECA stack with otc medicines that are actually regulated (i’m old tho)
I was talking to a 17 year old student yesterday and he thought “gear” meant tren and SARMs mean natty (his friends told him). I fear most of the next gen doesn’t know what they’re getting themselves into. Most of their decisions now will have lifelong consequences. TLDR: rabbit hole goes deep🕳️
The more they want to use gear The more i want to stay natty They can mog me all day i aint sacrificing my life for rented aesthetics Good things are hard to do Bad things are easier to do Is what ive realised Anyone else?
I have as a personal trainer a big guy who once placed top 5 in an international strong man competition. He describes the process of using gear and other chemicals as "creating a different species within your body". In that world you might eat 600 grams of carbs on top of your standard 250g protein, and then inject insulin in order to help your body process the shear volume of sugars. I don't hate on anyone who does it, and I don't think anyone should. For them it's about getting the most performance out of a human body possible, and they go in with their eyes open. It's not for me. I'm happy to be natty at 5'10", 185 lbs 16% body fat. I'm hoping to get to 190lbs and 13% body fat, but recognize that may take many years.
The Nancy Reagan, just say no campaign obviously didn't work. Nor will it.😮 Tell 100 kids don't put ur hand in the cookie jar. How many of them will listen, if u walk out of the room?
mfs be too afraid to take 5g of shrooms alone in the dark and face themselves, yet inject any hormonal anabolic substance under the sun - smh my head 😮💨😔
Yeah they are open about gear use. But doesnt mean that everybody who take steroids will ruin their lives if they know what they are doing. Even clarence kennedy is using them and he is doing fine.
the 1st guy deadass looked like he hit his first plateau and said "yup its time to get geared" and then the 2nd guy had a solid physique before and got a super marginal amount of gains like honestly it the transformation pic looks like it could be attributed to lighting hydration angles pump etc. its crazy that these days you can just mail order shit you find off an ig link. 10 years ago when i contemplated steroid use you had to invest so much into the research, sourcing, and given the side effects i opted out of it, just too much fucking trouble
I’m so glad I never went on. This was back in the early 1980s. I stayed natty and now can outperform 20 and 30 year old roiders at 60 years old. No side effects other than old age. Meanwhile most roiders who went on 40 years ago are either burnt out and weak, fat and not training or dead. Meanwhile I get to do their daughters 😅😅😅
40yrs old and on TRT past couple years and feel fantastic. Test is sitting around 500-650ish which is perfect for me. Thought about using gear back in the day when I started working out in early 30s but decided that if I wasn't going to be doing it professionally then why bother, because I understood the risks and everything associated with it. At 18-27 you feel invincible and think nothing bad will EVER happen to you because you're at the height of your game and everything validates that belief so no wonder this stuff is spiking up like crazy, I mean at 20-22 with my brain still not fully developed I'd probably have bought into it as well if social media had been a major thing like it is now. You get bombarded by these social media profiles day in and day out, only highlighting the best of the best and you just eat that up thinking your life is shit in comparison. Meanwhile these people probably have a really mundane week all the time, taking 100s of photos in different lighting for hours in order to pick out the 1 or 2 they show you, and are going to die at 35/40 because they are cruising 24/7 365 with no idea what they are doing beyond some other idiots on social media pretending they know their shit cuz "worked for me"
No but he was abusing steroids beyond the point of absurdity .. let’s be honest, most guys that take a lot of steroids in their late teens and 20s will not die early.. they will get side effects which vary from person to person. I know a lot of guys that have taken steroids and don’t know a single guy that died early from it.
Hey Zack, how hyped are you that Hooper just did 5reps on the axle press at arnolds with the split jerk, must be crazy knowing a pro strongman could have gotten them because of your help a month+ ago at that live demonstration/coaching session you did with him.
I used MK-2866 Ostarine capsules for 12 months, and for 6 months of that year I could not hit the gym due to time constraints. Even not working out I continued to bulk up and I am aged 50. I chose these as they have been tested on humans it has been evaluated in phase I, II, and III clinical trials and proven to work, no matter what your opinion is about SARM's (at least these ones) they work, I am in the UK so getting prescription drugs is near impossible.
The funniest thing about this shit is that gym culture is cyclical and in a few years they will have done this for nothing, although I'm sure the money is good for now. I do wonder if the swing back towards bodybuilding and aesthetics bra bullshit recently has intensified the glorification of PEDs.
If as a parent your kid looks like this, it's your fault. Cut their income, cut the problem. If they still want to abuse substances, they can go ahead and live as an adult, pay rent, food, utilities, and let's see if they can still afford their muscle bulding magic juices.
"Research Chemicals" need harsher regulation from the FDA to ensure the safety of many uninformed individuals and the overall safety of America's impressionable youth. This regulation should allow legitimate laboratories to conduct important scientific research with these compounds and chemicals but should ban the sale of these dangerous chemicals to unlicensed buyers. Though the improvement of knowledge should be incentivized within The United States’ governing bodies, it should not be placed ahead of the general public’s health and safety.
If a compound is an analogue of a controlled drug then it is already illegal under the federal analog act. However this seems to be quite poorly enforced.
No one makes a video about the median lifter who appreciates open conversations about steroid use, especially considering spurious regulations for international bodies like IWF. The reason you see pendulum swings is because its the long tail of the distribution of behavior, spurred on by general acceptance. Any educated person in the area would probably agree that it's not productive to completely ban conversation about steroids and keep it all hush-hush while most men look to attain these enhanced physiques, which is what the situation was just a few years ago. We have to strike a balance, and I don't think it's possible to completely remove these extreme examples of behavior, especially when news outlets and the general public are going to reinforce that behavior by sharing the video.
Honestly from the content / context that you showed stoffer, he seems genuine and like hes a proponent of open use leading to safer use. To say that its crazy to knowingly accept the consequences of your actions in your youth is a little ironic considering you seem to admire old school bulgarian training.
I would say "ruin their lives" is a bit over the edge. They'll need a good amount of years of abusing the compounds/roids to ruin your life. BUT I agree you shouldn't glorify this, just keep it to yourself. If someone wants to abuse them , that's on them.
In my family we have a joke that everything doesn’t have to be a competition. We are obviously very competitive, and it can be unhealthy. I can’t help but feel like steroids are a symptom of that type of mentality. It’s not enough to be your best self. You have to be turn yourself into a mutant to outdo the mutant you saw online because aesthetic. I saw a comment on a tren twins videos that they were changing the fitness industry. Well it’s too bad they won’t be around to see the fruits of their labor.
The pendulum swings but only so long as there is input. Its extreme to one end now, but in a few years it'll swing to a more moderate place. Yes people/kids will harm themselves from their own stupidity in the mean time but on the long term open use helps more than it hurts. This overcorrection in openness/glorification is a result of it being closed prior. If anything it should be more open and medically supervised. If the pendulum gets additional stimulus by the government banning and further prosecuting individual use it doesnt really impact use as much as it xoes impact the danger.
Dude this literally already happened in Britain with drugs like ecstacy being slightly tweaked and sold as "research chemicals" you should look into that too
Just wanted to jump in and say, as an average youtube watcher and social media consumer - hell ya, i see the trend of open steroid usage. Also as an average social media consumer, i dont have a platform to say anything about, nor do i care too. I will watch videos like this from smart content creators to promote more awareness, but thats about it.
you hit the nail on the head with the guys bing old at 30. I had two friends get on the gear, got big. Both of them admitted after having absolutely zero sex drive and we were only late 20s! they also both got very fat afterwards. Now? Im 40 and feel and look buff as f and they are wrecked! Injuries, sore tired old men. I feel as i did in my late 20s to early 30s. I can sprint, lift, im flexible, lean, muscular and they are the complete opposite.
I mean like, there's drinking alcohol occasionally then there's a raging alcoholic. These two examples are extreme addicts. I believe adults should be able to do whatever they want, it's their body.
An Indian township in Chatsworth in Durban,South Africa,had over 60% of the male gym goers on steroids in 2015.. typically tren and clen since that's what everyone else was doing. Recreational lifters,not close to pro or even intermediate level. Some total newbies were starting on roids after a few weeks of lifting thinking it was healthy for them...
This is basically the apotheosis of social media in terms of driving façade above health and longevity. We can decry this all we like, but until we actually do something about the source of all this - the social media entertainment complex - we won't solve anything. These terrible outcomes are just a symptom of allowing rampant commercialisation/commodification of people's image (and over time, entire identity) with absolutely no societal safe guards. We are getting what we deserve here.
What posses someone to think that posting themselves pinning gear on social media is acceptable? Why is this allowed? Why does the algorithm promote this nonsense to hundreds of thousands of people? I lift weights for myself. Whatever else I do or don’t do is for myself as well. I just can’t comprehend why someone thinks this shit is appropriate to share openly.
I really think there should be a separation between health/fitness with aesthetics/performance. The most obvious example being that those ifbb open bodybuilding pros, what they are doing is anything but healthy.
This was bound to happen at some point after steroids were banned in the 80s. Since theres a clinical need for something thats illegal, theres going to be a workaround for it that such that the science and use can continue but it exists solely through legal rigmarole and semantics.
Yep look what happened when OxyContin was made much harder to abuse and doctors stopped prescribing it so readily - patients just moved to heroin and later fentenyl. This is why so many are against the drug war as you can’t “outlaw” your way to victory
The conversation about gear in sports is very tricky. The idea of personal freedom is arguably even more complicated. We can defend individual liberties all we want but this trascends the individual because we have to factor in social media and the massive influence it has on people's choices. The problem is that some rhetorics are getting teenagers and very young adults to abuse dangerous substances and potentially cut their lives short to please some social media algorithm. It's young people doing gear for very questionable motives, influenced by brands that stand to benefit and other gear users who want company. They're not professional athletes under strict supervision training for a very specific goal. They're mostly just kids looking for 15 minutes of fame on tiktok, putting more at risk than they realize because they have no clue what they're doing. Some people are so dependant on social media, they'll base their whole persona on getting more attention and it'll drive them to do anything. And certain companies know and will exploit this for a financial benefit. That's messed up.
Thanks for talking about PED use. I have no idea what the solution might be. Talking about it and condemning it are probably the best we can do for now.
I think many of the younger folks miss a tremendous bit of context when it comes to gear. That there is a mountain of difference between a 38 y/o who's already gotten what they have out of life, are in a stable life stage, know what they want to achieve physically and health wise, have done the mountains of research, and are mitigating risk with a physician; and a 22 y/o who just wants bigger pumps faster. While it is better, I guess maybe, that gear is being de- stigmatized, it also shouldn't necessarily be glorified either. It's a means to an end at best, not a way of life or a hobby. I don't think they realize that they'll be the ones making up the dataset of a research paper titled something like "the long term of effects of anabolic steroids and research chemicals on human brain and body health when started during puberty". Please y'all, don't be a lab rat, your future self deserves better.
The biggest issue with all of this, is the beleif that they need to take them in the first place. Trainging information, REAL usable, appropriate training information is quite hard to find unlss you genuinley dig into the depths of the internet. Most of the information the young lads follows is from who? Guys who are almost with 100% certainty, juiceed to the gills. They are poor role models, and not at all indicative of what good productive training can and shouold look like for these people.
This is why I will never venture with competitive bodybuilding or compete in a strength based sport again. Why isn't youtube and tiktok straight up banning people glorifying drug use
This is a response from people that are taking shit but lying about it. People are fed up with fake naties or with people that are 240 pounds lean and are posting about creatine. Theres a market for it and I believe they actually do good for the industry by exposing reality as it is.
why bodybuilding is stupid its actually a really weird beauty pageant and if it didnt exist no one would want to look like this, not sure why anyone does anyways
