i was pro meat before watching game changers. Did a little bit of research on the topic. And I can no longer look at animals as food. So how did it confirm my bias? It actually destroyed my bias towards animal protein being superior.
@@victorgrajeda4299 I'd love to see Layne and James go at it. Listening to James again would be insufferable, but at least Layne has legitimate knowledge on the subject.
You know it's as ridiculous as the educational movies they show the kids in school in the Simpsons you know the ones that start with " hi I'm troy McClure "
I'm 67 years and 8-months old, and I switched to a plant-based diet and began working out every other day after watching "The Game Changers" on Netflix. I lost 54 pounds of excess bodyweight in about 8 months. Since then, I've lost an additional 9 pounds of excess bodyweight. I'm now stronger at age 67 years and 8-months old than when I was an active-duty United States Marine 0331 M-60 Machine Gunner. For instance, last year I won first prize (a free t-shirt) at the 2023 United States Marine Corps Challenge held at the 2023 Cleveland National Air Show for doing 25 consecutive pull-ups at the age of 66 years and 10 months, even though most active-duty United States Marines can't do 20 pull-ups to "max" the pull-up component of the United States Marine Corps Physical Fitness Test. Before I switched to a plant-based diet after watching "The Game Changers", I could only do 3 pull-ups. However, after I lost 54 pounds of excess bodyweight, I discovered that doing pull-ups became easy for me to do, even at the age of 66. Pull-ups are still easy for me to do, even though I am a few months away from age 68.
Josiane. Are you à barley man. Sure looks like youve been indulging in those dreaded fat inducing carbs. If you dont believe à plant bases diet is optimal for health, why, the unbiased science is in dude, the évidence is overwheming, this is what you should be recomending tout your clients. Your gonna get left behind. Remember this human= primate= Banana, fuckin banana
Cypriano snore mate. If it was so optimal then why are you supplementing it? Anyway you enjoy your plants and I will continue eating this fantastic grass fed organic beef burger lol
I agree, except for one thing. Documentaries are rarely filmed debates. They are almost always one sided. Mostly because they are usually funded by someone who has a stance on a subject, so they're not putting their money into making a film displaying both sides.
That's the problem. Being one sided is one thing. Flat out misrepresenting information, manipulating "studies" to falsely correlate an theory, etc., is NOT being one sided. It's being dishonest. It's lying. It's NOT what a documentary is supposed to be.
Yes everyone has their agenda. Which is why it’s super important to give real unbiased facts that prove your point. Instead of filling it full of lies. Anyone who has at least minimal knowledge in nutrition knows that this doco is full of lies and half truths. Which makes the film a lot of Bs. And with the world we live in today that will always get found out pretty quickly. So if you can’t prove your point with validity then don’t make the movie.
@@BMGipe45 sounds like farmers who have pictures of cows/chickens/pigs roaming free on their products when in reality these souls never see the light of day and are injured in their pens. The farming industry is notorious for being misleading and somehow portray themselves as victims when called out for murdering and prisoning.
Alot of people disliked this even though this video is packed with what really seems to be objectively scientificly correct arguments. Im not a doctor myself, but I will gladly listen to someone who is, like Layne, who is willing to present what seems to be an unbiased scientific opinion/evidence. Be sceptical but reasonable everyone, this is a "debate/conversation" we need to have, so try to avoid getting super hostile.
OMG, I know this comment WON'T get posted because it's against everything this Channel and Holly "the true experts" believe, DON'T FALL for this video channel and what they teach on this Channel people. Why are they trying to convince you that the Game Changers documentary is incorrect it's very simple....it's BECAUSE IT GOES AGAINTS everything they believe the products they endorse and make money from so of course they aren't going to talk about all the bad chemicals injected into animals which of course are going to be in your body once you consume the meat. Watching this video was very hard and talk about CHERRY PICKING, that's exacting what they themselves in this video are doing. Again the reason this channel does not support the facts in the documentary is because they would have take down this channel because their channel is against everything which is said in the documentary. Do you think for a minute that the people in this video don't really need money, THEY DO however that being said, it's biolayne and Holly you should be really questioning not the people who produced a fact based documentary. Wake up people, this channel is going to tell you whatever and everything they can to get you to stay and believe in what they are saying so you will continue watching their channel. What a joke, Holly saying she's disappointed in Arnold, I'm sure he's laughing at your comment........................wake up people.
The biggest take away is that it was paid for and starred people with heavy investments in Beyond Meat and Impossible Foods. So it was a 2 hour commercial.
Im trying the plant based diet and honestly I've never felt better in my life. I've lost 33kg's and my workouts are prolonged. I don't feel blouted after meals. There is nothing to debunk but the choices u make to improve your life. That's just my opinion.
thaabs123 same here. Feel better, and still lifting weights and doing bag work, jogging etc. At 67 years old. Saves lots of money too. No flu, or flu shots, no colds, no diseases. You got the right opinion.
I bet you also changed a lot of other bad health habits besides stop eating meat. lets see how long it lasts. it does not last very long. also dont get drunk. 70% chance you will eat meat. you should look into the actual science behind everything because the documentary cherry picked most of all of their info
@@mad555555 do u work for McDonald's? Sounds like you do. I changed nothing but cutting out meat and dairy and replaced it with more plant based foods, everything is still the same. It works for me that's all I really care about.
@@thaabs123 lmao. You moron. Watch in 6 months or a year what happens. When you walk around looking like a zombie and your skin starts to crust. Then, you faint randomly in a parking lot somewhere 😁 only a moron would start eating plants
@@GaryHighFruit I'm wondering if you understand what irrelevant is. Here is an example. You just volume post responses that are not relevant to other comments. Therefore you comments are not relevant. eg irrelevant. That is the meaning of irrelevant. You're welcome
Even if meat is not as unhealthy as the documentary claims - I have not heard an argument for why it is not unethical to torture and kill animals. And if we all agree that you can be healthy not eating animal products - then why would we? If someone was to beat their dog, or keep them in a cage their whole life, and kill them - we would think that person was an absolute monster. But if someone does that to millions of pigs - then we are ok with it. Which makes no sense at all because pigs are smarter than dogs (they’re actually one of the smartest animals on the planet except for chimps/dolphins and maybe a couple others), and they’re also extremely emotional animals. I’m new to the whole “plant based eating” thing so I still haven’t completely stopped eating animal based foods, because I’m still looking at all the data, but I just can’t find an argument that justifies continuing to eat meat.
@@CipherSerpico questioning why you want them to provide arguments against it being unethical to kill animals when they say that the ethical reasons are compelling and that they arent even against veganism? They supported the ethical reasons so im not sure why you expect to hear counter arguments from them
Angomr I get what you’re saying. And I did hear them say that. But my point is that the ethical aspect of eating meat should be the main concern. I wasn’t trying to critique them for not talking about that. I just think that if you can be plant based-then you almost certainly should. Obviously, there are a ton of people that cannot be plant based. Poor people don’t have the luxury of always getting to choose what they eat. And I think there are also people with health problems who need meat. So I know it’s not something that can be globally accepted. At the very least-I think we should try to stop eating certain animals. It’s a faulty premise, but I think that the smarter/more complex an animal is-the more unethical it becomes to kill them. So if someone HAS to eat animal products then I think fish is better than something like a pig. I know it’s a tough topic but I don’t think there’s any getting around the problems with animal based foods; Not only regarding the ethics but also because of how bad it is for us environmentally.
@@CipherSerpico ooh yeah i think thats fine and i support that to, im vegetarian myself.Its just that these people didnt seem like crazy meat eaters at all, and generally seemed to support veganism anyway.
@@theironforce3000 Joe reached out to him before the podcast even was posted on youtube. Check out this article www.biolayne.com/articles/research/the-game-changers-debate-james-wilks-vs-chris-kresser-on-the-joe-rogan-experience/
Question regarding the comments made about tests conducted on 'endothelial function' where it shows more fat in the blood of meat eaters vs non meat eaters - does this not prove their point that more fat in blood is more damaging and can lead to complications? (disregard the fact that they didn't actually test endothelial function)
Riccardo Brusco Wanted to note that I’m not saying that eating carbs (having a higher blood glucose level) is a bad thing at all. It’s normal after eating carbs.. just as having triglycerides in the bloodstream after a fatty meal is normal and expected.
@@BRISTOLKETTLEBELLS that is the worst researched article I have seen in a long time and that really means something. If somebody talks about "low protein quality" be aware, next comes BS
Riccardo, did it dawn on you that this film is meant as a entry level docu? There is other films that go deeper. The research behind it is rock solid though. This is a bit like your teacher in school showing you a simple experiment. I'm so sad that 100% of critique I have seen on Game Changers is either the same old BS bro-science or a criticism that the film is not a 50 hour long session of nutritional science lectures...
Mean BMI was lowest in vegans (23.6 kg/m2) and incrementally higher in lacto-ovo vegetarians (25.7 kg/m2), pesco-vegetarians (26.3 kg/m2), semi-vegetarians (27.3 kg/m2), and nonvegetarians (28.8 kg/m2). Prevalence of type 2 diabetes increased from 2.9% in vegans to 7.6% in nonvegetarians; the prevalence was intermediate in participants consuming lacto-ovo (3.2%), pesco (4.8%), or semi-vegetarian (6.1%) diets. After adjustment for age, sex, ethnicity, education, income, physical activity, television watching, sleep habits, alcohol use, and BMI, vegans (OR 0.51 [95% CI 0.40-0.66]), lacto-ovo vegetarians (0.54 [0.49-0.60]), pesco-vegetarians (0.70 [0.61-0.80]), and semi-vegetarians (0.76 [0.65-0.90]) had a lower risk of type 2 diabetes than nonvegetarians. No they spewed out bullshit. Suggesting gladiators ate high plant based to get fat. To gain weight people eat more calorically dense generally. If they wanted to get fat eating fat would have been the better option. The fact is that the thinnest healthiest longest living populations ate almost 100% plant foods. Most doctors, nutritionists, trainers, etc won't tell you that because they ate not doing it themselves. They don't want to eat meat all day and then tell you to go plant based. These guys are fools. Why don't the just say plant based is optimal but I choose not to do that.. I tell my clients the truth and they can make their own choices.. I have an ethical obligation to tell them the truth.. Get a clue..
@@franzhulk2947 fat is deposited in your fat stores. Carbohydrates in your muscles and liver. The thinnest populations eat high carb low fat. The Oxford epic study. The Adventist health studies. Endless other epidemiology.. in the long term we know what works. I am not denying you can't lose weight in caloric deficit with any diet. The question is what is best and healthiest long term. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
By the way, I think the gladiators example is not presented as a scientific fact, thus not debunkable. It's just a story included in the author's journey how he ended up making the movie.
''not presented as a scientific fact, thus not debunkable'' By the way, the way it is presented to the viewers CAN be debunked. It is presented to viewers who in majority associate gladiators with strong, powerful and athletic people. It is presented in a way that let's the viewer believe that those powerful dudes ate plant based meals as a way to achieve physical superiority. Why do you suppose they use the gladiator example? It is clear they are presenting that story to drive the narrative that plant based diet is superior and thus it CAN and must be debunked. Gladiators were not strong an athletic soldiers who made dietary choices for optimal performance, most were fat criminals or slaves used for entertainment. Most did not have meal choices, they were fed available scraps therefore that ''example'' is disingenuous in every way imaginable.
@@snooper71 I feel like the fat thing is wrong too. If you have ever seen an animal with lots of fat get a cut you realize they bleed ALOT like a little cut spreads a long tear in fat. It would be better as a human to be leaner, thus more athletic to not get hit. Than to use your fat like you are some kind of fat tank considering how little damage humans can naturally take.
I'd die to watch Layne vs guy from Gamechangers debate. I'm trying not to it a lot of meat, maybe 1x per week and those topic are very, very interesting to people like myself.
I wonder if it would be worthwhile for Netflix to start doing at least a minimal amount of fact checking on documentaries it approves. At least enough to find some of the blatant falsehoods Layne and Holly point out with this film.
It took them 6 years to produce the film because they wanted the facts to be correct. All the articles and references are listed. Did you watch the movie?
Because Netflix isn't in the business of providing information, they are in the business of pandering to statistics. They've said as much themselves. veganism, keto are pretty popular right now, traditional balanced diets with the incorporation of animal protein aren't. There is no such thing as superior sources of food for health though, it all really depends on your own ability to metabolise those foods.for instance, some people lacking in certain enzymes and commensal species will find it really difficult to eat a lot of fibre and veg because it will likely just result in SIBO, but that is not to say that SIBO is a given if you eat a lot of fibre from veg
@@xtdude I think that debate needs to happen....I Think Layne would hold his own and not collapse,but everyone cherry picks. i would love to see James's counter-arguements to this video.
@@xtdude You're saying that Layne Norton is misrepresenting the documentary and cherry picking studies? How so? And his LDL level is 140? Why is that bad? What is his HDL level? Is there actually a correlation between high LDL levels and increased risk of heart attacks?
Watched "The Game Changers" a few weeks back, and I feel that this was a very fair critique. Only thing I'd add is that while a true documentary should present all sides of a debate, almost none seem to accomplish this and inevitably have some sort of a bias to them, which is why I generally advise friends to always dive into a documentary with a skeptical eye.
Can you tell me a documentary you've watched that truly presented 'all sides of a debate'? Did An Inconvenient Truth acknowledge opinions of climate change deniers? Did The Magic Pill acknowledge opinions of plant-based health professionals? Did The Cove (Oscar winner) acknowledge opinions of Japanese dolphin hunters? Did I Am Not Your Negro acknowledge opinions of white supremacists? You want 'all sides of a debate', go and listen to a debate. A documentary by definition is "A work, such as a film or television program, presenting political, social, or historical subject matter in a factual and informative manner and often consisting of actual news films or interviews accompanied by narration." Nowhere in the definition does it state 'all sides of a political, social or historical debate are represented'.
@@MitchPhillips in the beginning of the video, Layne stated that he was referring to "Game Changers" as a film and not a documentary because it didn't present both sides of this topic, which is what I was referring to with my comment: documentaries almost never present multiple sides to a given topic. As long as one goes into them knowing this, it's fine.
@@MitchPhillips from the definition you provided, in order for something to be "factual" and "informative", particularly when covered something that's not settled science, it should cover multiple sides: that doesn't need to explicitly be in the definition.
Trae Palmer Are you saying the peer-reviewed science examples in the film (of which there was an abundance) are false? Also, not sure how you the film fails to live up to the definition from an ‘informative’ perspective?
@@MitchPhillips I'm saying that when one looks into them, as Layne did, they might be sloppy citations (i.e., the conclusions in the research cited don't actually support the statements the authors are attempting to make) or the research might have had methodological problems, itself, which is why it's always valuable when someone actually goes through and critiques them as Layne did. It's informative in the sense of presenting this lesser-known side of athletics (that plant-based athletes exist). Your definition also included "factual", however, and leaving out expert opinion from those who feel that plant-based diets wouldn't necessarily confer an advantage in athletics doesn't accurately present the current state of opinions of researchers in this field.
Why does everybody want to compare us to cows. Cows don't eat a lot of fruit. Cows don't eat a lot of rice or beans. All herbivores have different diets. We can get all of our good protein from grains and beans. No grass necessary
I had metabolic syndrome (obesity, high cholesterol, high triglycerides, and high blood sugar) and depression. I went whole food plant based no sugar oil or salt and I lost 65 pounds, all my conditions greatly improved, my gums stopped bleeding, and erections and energy returned. I no longer use a sleep apnea machine. Finally, the food is cheap. Beans, lentils, rice, potatoes and seasonal apples are cheap. I also save money from not having to buy pills and visit the doctor.
No, the gladiator thing was a preamble that picked James' brain to further investigate how an athletic performance was possible on a vegetarian diet when existing permeating belief is that animal protein is required to perform at that level.
They still don't realize that most gladiators didn't survive long enough to need meat for best performance possible. The rare, famous and respected gladiators who survived many many years most likely ate meat
I'm sure game changers was totally unbiased too, being produced by James Cameron who has invested $140M into plant based protein for beyond meat™ Just sayin
Time under pressure will create mass . That's the maths for hypertrophy .so yeah if you can train for longer positive results will follow , Also beetroot juice is high is N.O thought the nutritionist would know that . Don't agree with the way game changers done things or the fact that they cherry pick everything , but they way she acted like she has no idea what a beetroot does makes me think everyone is a shill
I’m definitely not a dietician or know much of anything about nutrition, but I just don’t understand how there’s so many healthy meat eating people. How is that if meat is bad for you? It just doesn’t make sense at all.
Not one mention of cholesterol or types of fats in meat vs plants (saturated vs poly vs mono saturated)? Look whos cherry picking. Im a meat eater by the way
Exactly. They go on about peanut butter having lots of fats without acknowledging most of the fats in peanut butter are monounsaturated and polyunsatured fats which are good for you.
@@xtdude you are so dense, peer-reviewed scientific publications have to report if there is any conflict of interest. A lot of studies he mentions doesn't have any.
Teddy BAD B0Y please watch JRE’s podcast with James and Chris. It’s over 3 hours long but worth it. I’ll say this... most of the research that layne is referring to is garbage.
Miguel Garrido and I don’t know about the studies being garbage. I’m more likely to defer to Laynes judgment than James. Layne is way more qualified to interpret what he’s reading than Wilks is.
11:13 another thing I just found out is that cows create more lysine (as in, the amino acid content of their meat) than they consume; cows generate 240% of the lysine that they consume in corn. Also, turns out lysine is essentially the limiting amino acid in most cases; apparently the leading cause of protein deficiency (ie in developing nations) is if the protein sources have an insufficient proportion of digestible lysine.
Cian O'Mahony it doesn't make my statement a fallacy, it makes my statement an unsound premise. Also your statement is a post hoc ergo prompter hoc. You are making the assumption that I enjoy correcting people because you do/someone you know does.
Golden Knight it’s so insane that we actually have to explain that plants are good for you and meat is bad. Don’t these people want to live long and have epic boners well into old age?! No... okay! I feel bad for their wives lmao
Golden Knights humans aren't herbivores we are natural omnivores also other primates eat meat too such as the chimpanzees and chimpanzees are the closest related primate to us also we have the digestive track of an omivore enzymes to break down meat and we have a pH of 1.5 this is th pH of a meat eater and we have stamia over speed something only shown in predatory animals and we have the most stamina out of any mammal we are omnivores
Layne, for the burrito experiment are you sure the cloudiness variance isn't due to differences in how much saturated fat and cholesterol each burrito contains? In addition, chylomicrons being the least dense of all lipoproteins, it is only very top layer of the plasma. The concentrations of HDL, MDL, LDL, VLDL etc. also contribute to the cloudy appearance. Of course plant-based being 0mg cholesterol and very likely
Because one person's experience doesn't prove anything. Why do you think they use hundreds and thousands of people in studies? So they can rule out bias and different variables that can impact the study. 🤦♀️
Experiment with it? The man literally has a PhD in nutrition, I think he’s done enough research for the lot of us. Anecdote won’t be changing his mind too soon I wouldn’t imagine 😂
Layne claimed that all research showing that meat causes inflammation is epidemiological...which is completely untrue and automatically ignores all of the mechanistic data that shows that various animal products cause inflammation. And they accused the film of cherry picking?
All I can see in that abstract is going from baseline diet to keto where fat composed 80% of calories. Nowhere do I see mention of foods eaten. Do you have a link that’s not behind a paywall?
MS Honestly I don’t know how you got to that conclusion... they went from a baseline diet to a keto diet (isocaloric - same protein). That’s the macros, not the food sources. And 17 subjects? Layne show two studies of hundreds of thousands of people.
Even if it’s a little less beneficial for athletic performance, who gives a damn?! There are more important things in the world than building muscle 🤦♂️... like the sustainability of our planet, or animals being slaughtered by the tens of billions, and requiring insane amount of resources, perhaps? 🤷♂️
@@logangaddy Layne does acknowledge the science around the 37 minute mark. I'm not sure either of you actually watched this in its entirely (or any of it) given that Layne both acknowledged the science AND said both the environmental science/ethical problems are the most compelling arguments in the film.
in good faith, I wonder if all the resource and chemicals needed for industrial farming is just as bad?? I dont know.. We are all too divided on the extremes.
That's fine, but not the point. If the reason for choosing not to eat meat is that, by all means do it. But, don't misrepresent the data and lead people to believe it's beneficial for recovery or performance.
@@chrisknickerbocker6878 The main reasons to eat plant based are environment, animal welfare, and health. There are multiple scientific studies showing that animal agriculture is bad for the environment, plus methane is a far worse greenhouse gas than CO2. There are also many scientific studies showing that eating plant based reduced heart disease and cancer.
I'm really glad that in my Nutrition class in Uni, (shoutout to my Nutrition Prof. Michaela Devries-Aboud) the final project was watching Game Changers and debunking it ourselves. The whole assignment was for us students to look up the sources that the documentary claimed to cite, read them, and see how different they portrayed the information in the documentary vs. the actual research. It was such an eye-opening moment when I realized that even massive company like Netflix can promote so much misinformation, and also the importance of looking at the source material myself. I'm glad this video exists.
the claim that he spent 1000 hours reading studies might be legit. A full time job is 40 hours a week. Let's cut that in half and make it 20hours a week. It would only take 50 weeks to hit 1000 hours. I thought PhD's take like 5-6 years total so I don't think a 1000 hours of study equates to a Phd....
It's really not, just look at the state of vegans as a whole and not a few outliers. The control group for comparison isn't people scoffing processed shit either.
Daniel M well to be fair you haven’t provided any examples and Hame Changers also had a giant amount of claims and just thinks taken out of context and misrepresented. That’s why it’s good to listen to both sides of an argument before making up your mind on anything
The "steaming pile of shit" actually helped me. It got me thinking more about what I put in my body, but I seek the truth, googled and found your video and now I know more than I did before. Thanks!
@@Engrave.Danger What you said is totally ludicrous. With fiber and water both I healed and cleaned my gut out. I also gave cows milk because your not to drink cows milk. Junk food is bad for you also go look up Dr. Will Bulsiewicz. He wrote about a fiber diet that helped a lot of people. I lost 26 pounds in 28 doing fiber diet. I was 245 pounds then I went to 219. You need fiber and water to work together I also don't eat massive amount of meat anymore when I did I lost my hair which I had a lot hair when I was younger. Junk food will not fill your gut up it just make you crave more and more. Look up the facts water and fiber will clean your gut.
The main point of the doc. is a plant based diet will promote a longer healthier life than a diet heavy with animal products. The criticisms being made are missing the core point of the film and that is a plant diet is healthier and better for the earth.
Darn, guys. I wish I had seen your clip earlier, then I wouldn't have started veganism. Because now I'm 4 months in, and even though I *thought* I was eating balanced and got enough proteins from legumes and so forth, I'm noticing my strength is decreasing, and my strength endurance as well. Now, i'm back to "primal" ("forgiving" paleo with the carbs I love so much, rice and potatoes) -- it's my first day back, actually, and I'm feeling more energized again already. Thanks for your work. Awesome!
@@malcolmolive267 I also don't eat lunch meat anymore its bad for you. I eat grass fed beef only if it grass fed its good for you. But I don't eat ham, bacon, Sausage, Hot dogs, Pepperoni all lunch meat is been preserved by smoking or salting, curing or adding chemical preservatives. They can harm your gut I gave up cows milk and I don't miss it.
Jurek is probably using fat as his main source of energy over carbohydrate. Lots of endurance runners have been training their bodies to use fat stores in recent years. Ultra runners can only store about 2 hours worth of energy from carbohydrates so you either refuel a lot (and probably become sick) or are using another energy source, ie fat stores.
OMG, I know this comment WON'T get posted because it's against everything this Channel and Holly "the true experts" believe, DON'T FALL for this video channel and what they teach on this Channel people. Why are they trying to convince you that the Game Changers documentary is incorrect it's very simple....it's BECAUSE IT GOES AGAINTS everything they believe the products they endorse and make money from so of course they aren't going to talk about all the bad chemicals injected into animals which of course are going to be in your body once you consume the meat. Watching this video was very hard and talk about CHERRY PICKING, that's exacting what they themselves in this video are doing. Again the reason this channel does not support the facts in the documentary is because they would have take down this channel because their channel is against everything which is said in the documentary. Do you think for a minute that the people in this video don't really need money, THEY DO however that being said, it's biolayne and Holly you should be really questioning not the people who produced a fact based documentary. Wake up people, this channel is going to tell you whatever and everything they can to get you to stay and believe in what they are saying so you will continue watching their channel. What a joke, Holly saying she's disappointed in Arnold, I'm sure he's laughing at your comment........................wake up people.
Mayo Clinic publishes that to prevent coronary heart disease: Quit smoking , Control conditions such as high blood pressure, high cholesterol and diabetes Stay physically active , Eat a low-fat, low-salt diet that's rich in fruits, vegetables and whole grains, Maintain a healthy weight, Reduce and manage stress.
What ever happened to a good old fashion well rounded diet? Good lean protein for optimal muscle growth, quality carb source for sustained energy and fiber of course and a healthy fat source for organ health ,hormone production etc...? Geez man. All these fad extreme diets are just stupid
Global warming happened , inhumane ways of approaching animal agriculture .. The carbon footprint Idk Change of ethics and the availability of good alternatives that are just better for overall health when it’s done right (like any diet ever)
@John Decker you can't murder an animal and a cannibal is an individual that eats its own species are not a cannibal if you eat a cow also we are natural omnivores we literally evolved to eat meat
@@nicolisampson6489 I tell people that lol we have these sharp teeth called canines to tear apart meat not veggies. Last time I check deer have flat teeth
Goof Norton exactly if you look at our teeth versus deer teeth our teeth are quite different our teeth have canines for tearing incisors to bite off pieces and molars to chew deer teeth are flat and are used to chew only plants
Andrew McCool so you don’t know. Literally everyone on about this vegetarian gladiator thing doesn’t really know the reasons why they eat what they ate because it’s just one of those things you’ll never know for sure unless you lived in that time and were a dietician for a gladiator. Their diets and the reasoning behind their diets can only be speculated yet people act as if they know for -fact- and use that to advocate for or against vegetarian and plant based only diets. Just read PotatZo’s comment above. “That’s why they were fed a vegetarian diet.” How the fuck would he know. And what’s even dumber is they use examples from a completely biased Netflix show that advocates for only one position. Doubt they knew anything about gladiator diets before the show. It’s the equivalent of using twitter as your only source of news and only reading things you already agree with. Also, our athletes and fighters of today are trained using the pinnacle of known history’s technology, science, and knowledge of dietetics and nutrition. I highly doubt that our best wouldn’t be able to match a gladiator. That’s assuming we had one of ours trained for that type of fight.
29:57 the absolute risk of disease only goes from 5% (without meat) to 6% (with meat), but ofc the film only gives you the relative risk increase that is 20%, because 1% is the 20% of 5%. 37:21 animal agriculture is 8.7% of global emissions, while the transportation sector is 27%, and electricity is over 30%.
@@redpink9773 irrelevant means some gladiator being fat is NOT relevant (not related to, or not of any consequence to the narrative or point that Lame Norten is going for.
@@redpink9773 Yes I MUST be biased unlike you. So I will change my statement: It is relevant to the point which you meat-heads want to make which is irrelevant to the point of the documentary
Back in the 70s "Diet for a Small Planet" mentioned combining plants to get essential amino acids for protein, but didn't talk about proportions or lectins, oxalate, or any of the other plant anti nutrients that restrict absorbtion ...been lied to
Wait, why are these two talking heads pretending to be experts? They lost any tiny bit of credibility in my mind when they cited an "expert" calling legumes "simple carbohydrates" (at 4:02). FYI, legumes (including beans, peas and lentils) are a very healthy source of protein, potassium, and complex carbohydrates, including dietary fiber. I couldn't watch this video any further after that.
I personally tried meat / no meat for several months... I feel better on Veggies (less joint pain, feel and sleep well, still muscular, better energy). I still eat cheese and fish. Your body may be different 😊
I kinda agree. For me the veggie diet makes me feel better if I dont eat processed foods.. if I eat those it nullifies the improvement, as far i can tell. Veggies make me feel better than meat, but the real difference for me is NO PROCESSED. In the end vegetarian 5 days and 2 days meat with no processed keeps me at my best.
Im unbiased but looking at data on long run meat eaters do have clogged arteries/heart attacks,diabetes, heart disease the body really does fall apart all you have too do is just ask people everyone that had these issues I knew & survived ate what your defending.
I think most health/nutrition professionals would agree that everyone’s diet should be “plant-based”. That doesn’t mean it shouldn’t also include some animal products too. I eat 10+ portions of fruit and veg per day, so I would classify myself as having a plant-based diet; plants make up the vast majority of my food. However, I also eat lean chicken breast, Skyr yogurt, whey protein, salmon. It’s called having a healthy balanced diet. I hate how they seem to create this false dichotomy that you either eat vegetables or eat meat. You can eat both!
Nice objective explanation, i'm wondering why the whole b12 supplementation discussion wasn't in here since it was (imo) one of the most talked about topics. Is it because it's self explanatory that the majority of cattle is supplemented this vitamin??? I am a meat eater but this was imo one of the strongest arguments in the movie and it makes sense.
Yeah, guys you're lacking anything to back up your opinions. If your opinions conflict with those of the doc, thats fine. But don't go saying your disproving or "debunking" the clearly layed out science behind the doc. Strongly held opinions don't "debunk" science.
You seem to think that they are accusing the scientists of lying. It's different. It's a thing called "Lying without lying", where you don't lie, but instead mislead your target audience. That is what the people in the documentary did, that is what the people in this video are pointing out.
@@pepepepe7550 there was no misleading of the facts. this is probably the worst so called debunking of the game changers i've seen. this is the best one i've come across- ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-QB0aieRNJs0.html
It wasnt about winning or losing, they just wanted to show that you can be a good plantbased UFC-fighter. It's also better for your endurance and regeneration. Don't misinterpret the statements of the film because of your own bias.
There was an undertone of mockery throughout but particularly at the end. The main concern of vegans is anti-cruelty and helping souls who cannot verbalize their suffering so we help. If the documentary was poorly executed so be it, but to comment on eating a burger at the end was rude and uncalled for but I suppose that's the lack of empathy in meat eaters shining through.
@Albert Wesker A wacky cult? To me its barbaric people point to a book to give them permission to go on a killing spree, that sounds more like a wacky cult to me. It's also something which science probably cannot explain, but when people die from horrific deaths and their souls linger and stay trapped in this dimension it manifests more negative energy in that location. Just because science hasn't yet validated something doesn't mean it's not true. Your conscious brain may not be able to comprehend meat eating to anger and negative emotions but our subconscious brain certainly picks up our habits. The act of prisoning and murdering aren't exactly acts or in alignment with love and mercy.
It takes time for some people to process the cruelty thing. Give it time. Its everyone's right to have opinions even if they may be behind the curve a bit. Just give it more time. Sairah.. it honestly takes alot to get individuals to see past their preferences. Quite alot of this comes from people upbringing and if they were taught that eating animals is ok. It's not easy to help them see different. In fact they take more of a stance defending these outdated ideologies. No reason to get flustered. The issue is when later in life they develop things that could clearly be prevented from a specific way of eating. Then this becomes more relevant and they try to find out why. Then the education begins. Until then people can eat just about anything and seemingly feel and look healthy. It's when you start getting in the third and fourth decade in your life that the real health issues arise. Chalk it up to experience. And alot of these older doctors have way more experience and knowledge of what healthy actually is than. Young seemingly healthy trainers and health professionals. With age sometimes comes wisdom. Other times it becomes ignorance. And those people are more apt not to change. They are the people who dont care about anything than themselves and their immediate family. They are not concerned about animals. Until they have their first heart attack or stroke. Then they change their diets if they are lucky enough to survive. That's when compassion sets in. When they look at their lives and reflect. All of a sudden it clears their mind to new possibilities. And they can look at other beings with compassion. It takes alot of guts to go against the grain and stand up for beings who cant defend themselves. Kudos to you
@Albert Wesker Albert Wesker Firstly your closed off mind makes it seem like im talking to a brick wall. And secondly I'm not suggesting ingestion meat CREATES bad vibes, however your ACTIONS are in ALLIGNMENT with your frequency. Either you're disconnected to your food or you know full well how it got to your plate but the anger and bad energy it took to get that food on your plate sits well with you. Your behaviour to chose meat is your action in alignment with pro-violence.
@Albert Wesker And looking at the bigger picture, if youre an atheist then your not going by no book, your just going by society's standards as normal (aka sheep), why stop at animals, why not humans. Were no superior to other animals in the eyes of lions, tigers, and bears. We are just another slab of meat. Except they NEED it to survive, we don't.
This is an ignorant talks. Even the two most debunking people; Joe Rogen and Chris Kresser. Joe Rogen was fare enough to let James Wilks, the main character in the movie and one of the movie producers, come and react for all the harsh debunking in one of his podcasts. This 3.5 hours podcast made Joe and Chais realized how the movie is true. And how deep and serious the studies in the movie are showing it's true. Even much more then they imagine and offered to make a sequel. Watch the podcast and lean: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-s0zgNY_kqlI.html
What would have made your Connor v. Nate point much stronger.... Connor was not only jumping weight classes, he took the change of opponent within the last 10 days I believe. Nate was training for a triathlon, Connor was preparing for a 155 pound Ju Jitsu specialist... Connor gassed out fighting the bigger fighter.... THE PART THAT COMPLETELY SET OFF MY BULLSHIT ALARM.... In the rematch... at the same weight class... when Connor prepared.... he won... they didn't mention that part.... how convenient
The whole gladiator argument is ridiculous in the first place. First off, most gladiators weren’t free Roman citizens and they were forced to fight against their will. They would have been fed whatever their owners gave them. Meat would have been a commodity and expensive where as plants would have been cheap and easy to prepare. Layne gives a good argument too where other gladiators ate fish because that was what was available to them. The grocery store stocked with fresh food from around the world and supply chains had not been invented yet. Second and much more importantly ancient civilizations didn’t have the same knowledge of nutrition we have now. Doctors promoted smoking tobacco for centuries. Now we know it’s one of the most unhealthy practices you can do. Because people did things in history doesn’t mean it was a standard for health we should all adopt today.
I just want to eat better, and this added even more confusion to the subject. I didnt hear anything about the firefighter experiment...or did I miss that somewhere? Werent their numbers better even after a week? I also want to know whats best to eat, to be healthy
@Golden Knight no we're omnivores. Are GI is more similar to a Chimpanzee (omnivore) than a horse or ruminate animals. Also look at our teeth chewing and tearing. Someone needs to go back to Biology and Anatomy class.
It's 42 days. Or 6 weeks. Out of six months. Yeah that seems like a real stretch. Lol. And Hawking was a fake? Dude, really? Next you'll be telling me the earth is flat lol. Sit the fuck down
Good points, but data also show that vegans have better health than anybody. You guys talk about cherry picking, but it seems you guys are doing the same. I also saw the documentary “what the health” (eye opener). Are they cherry picking as well? At the end of the day, people well try to convince others why their point of view is right one. So, you make a decision.
Exactly. Watch Dr. Greger's presentations on how people on WFPB diets live longer, have far less chronic disease, are much healthier and so on. Seems to be quietly avoided by these so-called debunkers...cos they can't debunk meta analyses of hundreds of thousands of study participants and irrefutable data. All they can do is cherry-pick a few here and there which support what they believe. Here's one to start: Food as Medicine - Preventing & Treating the Most Dreaded Diseases with Diet (2015) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Qchkges8fo0.html
